Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:16 AM - Re: wheel landings (kitfoxjunky)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: Model 4 tailspring (Michael Laundy)
3. 03:14 AM - SV: wheel landings (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:21 AM - Tailspring torque? (jack bell)
5. 05:54 AM - SV: Tailspring torque? (Michel Verheughe)
6. 06:04 AM - Headset repair (Jeff Hubbard)
7. 09:00 AM - English (was: Nose over) (Michael Gibbs)
8. 10:29 AM - Re: noseover (EMAproducts@aol.com)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: English (Michel Verheughe)
10. 03:23 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (Ceashman@aol.com)
11. 04:37 PM - Re: Headset repair (Jeffrey Puls)
12. 05:10 PM - Starting (Rex & Jan Shaw)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (Brett Walmsley)
14. 07:09 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (John Marzulli)
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings |
Serialize complete at 10/04/2005 05:14:48 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I know what you mean Bob.
I have had my plane on wheels all summer, so I am a relatively new tail
wheel pilot. I was getting quite cocky, being able to do decent wheel
landings and three pointers when I was solo. I then took people for rides
on several occasions, and demonstrated to them some of the worst landings
I have ever done. I have found the airplane is very different depending
upong the wind, loading, flap settings and other factors. That is all part
of the challenge, and what makes tailwheel flying fun. A couple of
weekends back I went to a flyin where the conditions were a grass strip
with strong gusty winds blowing 90 degrees to the runway. Once again, a
learning experience, but I must say I did better than many of the Cessna
drivers who had a wheel up front to help out.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@cdsinet.net>
I had one of the WORST 1hr lessons I ever had when learning to wheel land.
After bouncing and a little bit of everything else, the instructor ( an
ag spray pilot) proceeded to do a great one,,,but he couldn't seem to
teach me how. When he exited the airplane, I ask .....
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
At risk of teaching Grandmother how to suck eggs.(English expression, not sure
if you use it in the States)
I was taught to fly tailwheels by the RAF back in the 60s, and to avoid breaking
things you need to do a reasonable 3 pointer. Suggest you spend a little time
sitting in aircraft and get a total feel for the picture in the 3 point attitude,
particularly where the horizon crosses the windscreen, that's the picture
you want when you touch down. ( Maybe put a couple of guide marks with waterbased
felt tip). The way I do it is to flare and aim to fly about 6 inches above
the ground, and then with throttle closed try and fly to the end of the runway!
To maintain 6 ins you of course have to raise the nose as the aircraft
slows down. When you recognise the 3 point attitude (you learned from sitting
on the ground) just hold it and as the aircraft slows more you will sink into
a perfect 3 pointer. (That's also when to kick the drift off in a crosswind,
but in that case just remember to keep wings level by cross controlling the ailerons.)
If you touch the wheels before she's ready to land you will probably bounce, especially
if you hold too much speed (CG behind mainwheels causing increased angle
of attack and all that) if that happens catch the bounce with a bit of power
and holding the stick steady, restabilise and try again, big bounce go around.
Don't just haul the stick back and hope, as you will probably land tail
first and if its a big bounce break something, equally don't stuff the stick forward
or you will join the kangaroo club and that will not do your tail any good
at all!
Go practice on a smooth grass airfield if you have one close by, and have some
fun.
Mike
jablackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell"
Since Brian is a fried of mine I feel free to comment on his wheel
landings. The real story is that Brian has never made the
transition from nose gear to conventional. Still looking for the
nose wheel.
Stick with three point landings and stop in half the distance.
Jimmie
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Gill Levesque
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
>
>Wiseguy!!!!! Tried them and bounced all over!!!
> Gil
>
>Brian Rodgers
wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers"
>
>
>Wheel landings...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gill Levesque"
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
>>
>> Well!!
>> Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you
guy's
>suggest
>>
>>
>> Gil Levesque
>> C-IGVL
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kitfoxjunky [kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com]
> I then took people for rides
> on several occasions, and demonstrated to them some of the worst landings
> I have ever done.
I know the feeling, Gary. This summer I was at the Norwegian Utralight championship
and after the nav test, we had a precision landing test with three trials.
Right before that, I decided to refuel for my return journey. Then, a spectator
asked if he could fly with me the precision landings. No rules objected a passenger
so, off we went. As you can imagine, my three landings were much too short,
being suddenly near MTOW.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tailspring torque? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jack bell <jack@comconn.com>
One of the items on the kitfox inspection checklist is
"check spring mounting bolts for proper torque"
I have a kitfox 1 with 2 mods- and the only reference I've been able to
find in the
assembly manual is that I should "take care not to over tighten" the
spring attach bolts.
Obviously- this is my first annual.. Can anyone help out with the
proper torque values?
Thanks!
-Jack
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| Subject: | Tailspring torque? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jack bell <jack@comconn.com>
> One of the items on the kitfox inspection checklist is
> "check spring mounting bolts for proper torque"
Same here for my model 3, Jack. What I did is to go to a place like:
http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/US-Recommended-Torque.aspx
look at what they write for your size and comply. That was good enough for my inspector.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hubbard" <jhubbard65@comcast.net>
Ok, I know this isn't a KF question, but here goes. I have a pair of Flightccom
Eclipse headsets that have an intermittentent mic problem and a broken piece
on the headstrap. Flightcom no longer repairs or carries parts for the Eclipse
line of headsets and the most they offer is a 30.00 credit for a new pair of
Denalis (nice guys). Does anybody have any suggestions for other repair centers
that could service this unit, or do I just need to bite the bullet and look
for a new pair?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | English (was: Nose over) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of
>corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong.
>Please, correct me.
That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the
British! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Michel,
I think the problem here isn't language, but when typed c o r n looks like c
o m corn~com if you don't look close! Hang in there Michel, some of us old
farmers will help you out. Any of them will give a problem!!! I know of a
Piper J-3 Cub that nosed over while taxiing with tail up downwind (to fast
granted) and with no rudder control got off grass runway into the hay field, grassd
wrapped wheels, went totally over on back they flipped it over trailered it
home. major damage in cockpit area and V fin. He said he was slow -- airspeed
wasn't even indicating! AND an instructor was on board, may have been handling
controls, never did get straight scoop.
Elbie
> I don't know, Bruce. I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different
> kinds
> of corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. Please,
> correct me.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the
> British! :-)
Hum, I think it's the other way around, Mike, because 60% of the English
language comes from either French or Latin!
Let me give you an example: When a barrister says: "A case of non assistance to
a person in danger" he actually tries to say, in French: "Un cas de non
assistance a une personne en danger" ... with a hot potato in his mouth! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of
>corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong.
>Please, correct me.
>That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the
>British! :-)
>Mike G.
OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the Conqueror)
(1066AD)
Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that is.
Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the
French picked up English.
Enough of that!
Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable, also
known in some countries as Mais.
British English from a Brit.
Thanks for your time. Eric
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Jeff,
Any avionics shop on an airport or a flight department that has their own
mechanics. Flight departments usually fix their own stuff. An intermittent
mic problem is pretty easy to fix. Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Hubbard <jhubbard65@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/4/2005 9:04:08 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Headset repair
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hubbard" <jhubbard65@comcast.net>
>
>
> Ok, I know this isn't a KF question, but here goes. I have a pair of
Flightccom Eclipse headsets that have an intermittentent mic problem and a
broken piece on the headstrap. Flightcom no longer repairs or carries
parts for the Eclipse line of headsets and the most they offer is a 30.00
credit for a new pair of Denalis (nice guys). Does anybody have any
suggestions for other repair centers that could service this unit, or do I
just need to bite the bullet and look for a new pair?
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Thanks Don. It's quite a process. I'll try the choke for a while, since I
can't face doing the requisite firewall work for a primer right now. Also,
I have a clutch so can't pull the prop through by hand. (I guess I'd just
hit the starter a few times.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Hi ! Guy, I have a 582 and also have a primer and of course the chokes.
When I bought my plane second hand 2 years ago the builder said don't worry
about the primer I never use it. Just use the chokes and wind it over a few
times until it starts. Well I did this for a while. We had a brand new wet
cell battery and it only just got started for a month then we had to jump
start it first time for the day. I decided to try the primer that was frozen
solid. I freed it up and yes it did help sometimes. However we got a new AGM
Oddessy battery and it has started really easy no matter what you use ever
since. I would say provided your carby slides are closing at no throttle so
the chokes can work properly, you have a good battery as you need at least
300 RPM to get ignition and you somehow get the fuel pumped up [ I wiggle
the prop but you can't ] then she is going to go.
To get the fuel up you are going to have to wind it over as you say or you
could fit an electric backup pump. I have been going to do this but haven't
got around to it as I'm having no problems so it's a matter of out of site
out of mind. What I have in mind to do though is replace my 2 outlet pulse
pump with a 3 outlet and feed the electric pump into the 3rd outlet. The
outlet chamber in the pump then acts as a "T" piece to feed both carbies.
I'll take the inlet to the electric pump from just above the bottom of the
header tank and I'll fit a filter somewhere in the line. Probably on the
electric pump outlet side as the pump will push better than it sucks. Also
note there needs to be a non return valve either in the pump or the line
otherwise pressure from the pulse pump will just go back through your
electric pump into the header tank again. Should the non return valve fail
simply turning the electric pump on will get you out of trouble. Note this
puts the pumps in parrallel. If they were in series the pressure of the
pulse pump and the electric pump would be additive and may well be enough to
flood the carbs by overcoming the needles and seats that are lucky to hold
around 6 to 7 pounds per square inch.
This system will give you not only fuel immediately for starting but a
backup against pulse pump failure or that line blockage including filter
etc.
What I did find with the primer for starting was that if you hadn't got
fuel pumped up and the carbs full then the motor would fire up but just stop
again, so I feel the electric pump and chokes is a better overall answer. I
don't bother with the primer now.
Bear in mind that where the pulse line goes into the pulse pump Rotax
insist on a small bleed hole. This won't be in the 3 outlet pump so you will
have to drill it and you must not let drillings get into the pump because
they are sure to get under a valve. Also don't make that hole any bigger or
you will lose efficiency. Hope this is food for thought,
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
In the Midwest of the good 'ol US of A, corn can be called Maize. Milo is
also considered maize. Uh-oh someone added a new grain to the silo. And then
there are soy beans (tofu).....
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) in the hay!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>>...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of
>>corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong.
>>Please, correct me.
>
>>That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the
>>British! :-)
>>Mike G.
>
> OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the
> Conqueror)
> (1066AD)
>
> Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that
> is.
>
> Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the
> French picked up English.
> Enough of that!
>
> Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable,
> also
> known in some countries as Mais.
>
> British English from a Brit.
>
> Thanks for your time. Eric
>
> Please do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
In the olden days "corn" was a generic term for the prevelent grain of an
area.
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On 10/4/05, Ceashman@aol.com <Ceashman@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> >...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of
> >corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong.
> >Please, correct me.
>
> >That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the
> >British! :-)
> >Mike G.
>
> OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the
> Conqueror)
> (1066AD)
>
> Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that
> is.
>
> Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the
> French picked up English.
> Enough of that!
>
> Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable,
> also
> known in some countries as Mais.
>
> British English from a Brit.
>
> Thanks for your time. Eric
>
> Please do not archive.
>
>
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