---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/04/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:16 AM - Re: wheel landings (kitfoxjunky) 2. 02:28 AM - Re: Model 4 tailspring (Michael Laundy) 3. 03:14 AM - SV: wheel landings (Michel Verheughe) 4. 05:21 AM - Tailspring torque? (jack bell) 5. 05:54 AM - SV: Tailspring torque? (Michel Verheughe) 6. 06:04 AM - Headset repair (Jeff Hubbard) 7. 09:00 AM - English (was: Nose over) (Michael Gibbs) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: noseover (EMAproducts@aol.com) 9. 12:46 PM - Re: English (Michel Verheughe) 10. 03:23 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (Ceashman@aol.com) 11. 04:37 PM - Re: Headset repair (Jeffrey Puls) 12. 05:10 PM - Starting (Rex & Jan Shaw) 13. 05:51 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (Brett Walmsley) 14. 07:09 PM - Re: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! (John Marzulli) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:28 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings Serialize complete at 10/04/2005 05:14:48 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky I know what you mean Bob. I have had my plane on wheels all summer, so I am a relatively new tail wheel pilot. I was getting quite cocky, being able to do decent wheel landings and three pointers when I was solo. I then took people for rides on several occasions, and demonstrated to them some of the worst landings I have ever done. I have found the airplane is very different depending upong the wind, loading, flap settings and other factors. That is all part of the challenge, and what makes tailwheel flying fun. A couple of weekends back I went to a flyin where the conditions were a grass strip with strong gusty winds blowing 90 degrees to the runway. Once again, a learning experience, but I must say I did better than many of the Cessna drivers who had a wheel up front to help out. Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I had one of the WORST 1hr lessons I ever had when learning to wheel land. After bouncing and a little bit of everything else, the instructor ( an ag spray pilot) proceeded to do a great one,,,but he couldn't seem to teach me how. When he exited the airplane, I ask ..... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:32 AM PST US From: Michael Laundy Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy At risk of teaching Grandmother how to suck eggs.(English expression, not sure if you use it in the States) I was taught to fly tailwheels by the RAF back in the 60s, and to avoid breaking things you need to do a reasonable 3 pointer. Suggest you spend a little time sitting in aircraft and get a total feel for the picture in the 3 point attitude, particularly where the horizon crosses the windscreen, that's the picture you want when you touch down. ( Maybe put a couple of guide marks with waterbased felt tip). The way I do it is to flare and aim to fly about 6 inches above the ground, and then with throttle closed try and fly to the end of the runway! To maintain 6 ins you of course have to raise the nose as the aircraft slows down. When you recognise the 3 point attitude (you learned from sitting on the ground) just hold it and as the aircraft slows more you will sink into a perfect 3 pointer. (That's also when to kick the drift off in a crosswind, but in that case just remember to keep wings level by cross controlling the ailerons.) If you touch the wheels before she's ready to land you will probably bounce, especially if you hold too much speed (CG behind mainwheels causing increased angle of attack and all that) if that happens catch the bounce with a bit of power and holding the stick steady, restabilise and try again, big bounce go around. Don't just haul the stick back and hope, as you will probably land tail first and if its a big bounce break something, equally don't stuff the stick forward or you will join the kangaroo club and that will not do your tail any good at all! Go practice on a smooth grass airfield if you have one close by, and have some fun. Mike jablackwell wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" Since Brian is a fried of mine I feel free to comment on his wheel landings. The real story is that Brian has never made the transition from nose gear to conventional. Still looking for the nose wheel. Stick with three point landings and stop in half the distance. Jimmie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Gill Levesque >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque > >Wiseguy!!!!! Tried them and bounced all over!!! > Gil > >Brian Rodgers wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" > > >Wheel landings... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gill Levesque" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 4 tailspring > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque >> >> Well!! >> Broke another tail spring!!!Have to replace it!!! What do you guy's >suggest >> >> >> Gil Levesque >> C-IGVL >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> > > > >--------------------------------- > > Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:06 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: wheel landings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: kitfoxjunky [kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com] > I then took people for rides > on several occasions, and demonstrated to them some of the worst landings > I have ever done. I know the feeling, Gary. This summer I was at the Norwegian Utralight championship and after the nav test, we had a precision landing test with three trials. Right before that, I decided to refuel for my return journey. Then, a spectator asked if he could fly with me the precision landings. No rules objected a passenger so, off we went. As you can imagine, my three landings were much too short, being suddenly near MTOW. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:27 AM PST US From: jack bell Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailspring torque? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jack bell One of the items on the kitfox inspection checklist is "check spring mounting bolts for proper torque" I have a kitfox 1 with 2 mods- and the only reference I've been able to find in the assembly manual is that I should "take care not to over tighten" the spring attach bolts. Obviously- this is my first annual.. Can anyone help out with the proper torque values? Thanks! -Jack ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:09 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Tailspring torque? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jack bell > One of the items on the kitfox inspection checklist is > "check spring mounting bolts for proper torque" Same here for my model 3, Jack. What I did is to go to a place like: http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/US-Recommended-Torque.aspx look at what they write for your size and comply. That was good enough for my inspector. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:30 AM PST US From: "Jeff Hubbard" Subject: Kitfox-List: Headset repair --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hubbard" Ok, I know this isn't a KF question, but here goes. I have a pair of Flightccom Eclipse headsets that have an intermittentent mic problem and a broken piece on the headstrap. Flightcom no longer repairs or carries parts for the Eclipse line of headsets and the most they offer is a 30.00 credit for a new pair of Denalis (nice guys). Does anybody have any suggestions for other repair centers that could service this unit, or do I just need to bite the bullet and look for a new pair? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:14 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs >...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of >corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. >Please, correct me. That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the British! :-) Mike G. N728KF do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:36 AM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: noseover --> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com Michel, I think the problem here isn't language, but when typed c o r n looks like c o m corn~com if you don't look close! Hang in there Michel, some of us old farmers will help you out. Any of them will give a problem!!! I know of a Piper J-3 Cub that nosed over while taxiing with tail up downwind (to fast granted) and with no rudder control got off grass runway into the hay field, grassd wrapped wheels, went totally over on back they flipped it over trailered it home. major damage in cockpit area and V fin. He said he was slow -- airspeed wasn't even indicating! AND an instructor was on board, may have been handling controls, never did get straight scoop. Elbie > I don't know, Bruce. I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different > kinds > of corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. Please, > correct me. > > Cheers, > Michel > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:52 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Michael Gibbs wrote: > That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the > British! :-) Hum, I think it's the other way around, Mike, because 60% of the English language comes from either French or Latin! Let me give you an example: When a barrister says: "A case of non assistance to a person in danger" he actually tries to say, in French: "Un cas de non assistance a une personne en danger" ... with a hot potato in his mouth! :-) Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:14 PM PST US From: Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com >...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of >corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. >Please, correct me. >That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the >British! :-) >Mike G. OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the Conqueror) (1066AD) Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that is. Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the French picked up English. Enough of that! Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable, also known in some countries as Mais. British English from a Brit. Thanks for your time. Eric Please do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:17 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Headset repair --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" Jeff, Any avionics shop on an airport or a flight department that has their own mechanics. Flight departments usually fix their own stuff. An intermittent mic problem is pretty easy to fix. Jeff > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Hubbard > To: > Date: 10/4/2005 9:04:08 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Headset repair > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hubbard" > > > Ok, I know this isn't a KF question, but here goes. I have a pair of Flightccom Eclipse headsets that have an intermittentent mic problem and a broken piece on the headstrap. Flightcom no longer repairs or carries parts for the Eclipse line of headsets and the most they offer is a 30.00 credit for a new pair of Denalis (nice guys). Does anybody have any suggestions for other repair centers that could service this unit, or do I just need to bite the bullet and look for a new pair? > Thanks, > Jeff > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:02 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Starting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Thanks Don. It's quite a process. I'll try the choke for a while, since I can't face doing the requisite firewall work for a primer right now. Also, I have a clutch so can't pull the prop through by hand. (I guess I'd just hit the starter a few times.) Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. Hi ! Guy, I have a 582 and also have a primer and of course the chokes. When I bought my plane second hand 2 years ago the builder said don't worry about the primer I never use it. Just use the chokes and wind it over a few times until it starts. Well I did this for a while. We had a brand new wet cell battery and it only just got started for a month then we had to jump start it first time for the day. I decided to try the primer that was frozen solid. I freed it up and yes it did help sometimes. However we got a new AGM Oddessy battery and it has started really easy no matter what you use ever since. I would say provided your carby slides are closing at no throttle so the chokes can work properly, you have a good battery as you need at least 300 RPM to get ignition and you somehow get the fuel pumped up [ I wiggle the prop but you can't ] then she is going to go. To get the fuel up you are going to have to wind it over as you say or you could fit an electric backup pump. I have been going to do this but haven't got around to it as I'm having no problems so it's a matter of out of site out of mind. What I have in mind to do though is replace my 2 outlet pulse pump with a 3 outlet and feed the electric pump into the 3rd outlet. The outlet chamber in the pump then acts as a "T" piece to feed both carbies. I'll take the inlet to the electric pump from just above the bottom of the header tank and I'll fit a filter somewhere in the line. Probably on the electric pump outlet side as the pump will push better than it sucks. Also note there needs to be a non return valve either in the pump or the line otherwise pressure from the pulse pump will just go back through your electric pump into the header tank again. Should the non return valve fail simply turning the electric pump on will get you out of trouble. Note this puts the pumps in parrallel. If they were in series the pressure of the pulse pump and the electric pump would be additive and may well be enough to flood the carbs by overcoming the needles and seats that are lucky to hold around 6 to 7 pounds per square inch. This system will give you not only fuel immediately for starting but a backup against pulse pump failure or that line blockage including filter etc. What I did find with the primer for starting was that if you hadn't got fuel pumped up and the carbs full then the motor would fire up but just stop again, so I feel the electric pump and chokes is a better overall answer. I don't bother with the primer now. Bear in mind that where the pulse line goes into the pulse pump Rotax insist on a small bleed hole. This won't be in the 3 outlet pump so you will have to drill it and you must not let drillings get into the pump because they are sure to get under a valve. Also don't make that hole any bigger or you will lose efficiency. Hope this is food for thought, Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:51 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" In the Midwest of the good 'ol US of A, corn can be called Maize. Milo is also considered maize. Uh-oh someone added a new grain to the silo. And then there are soy beans (tofu)..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com > >>...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of >>corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. >>Please, correct me. > >>That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the >>British! :-) >>Mike G. > > OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the > Conqueror) > (1066AD) > > Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that > is. > > Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the > French picked up English. > Enough of that! > > Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable, > also > known in some countries as Mais. > > British English from a Brit. > > Thanks for your time. Eric > > Please do not archive. > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:59 PM PST US From: John Marzulli Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: English (was: Nose over) in the hay! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Marzulli In the olden days "corn" was a generic term for the prevelent grain of an area. do not archive. On 10/4/05, Ceashman@aol.com wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com > > >...I thought that wheat, oat and barley were different kinds of > >corn. At least, in British English. But, obviously, I am wrong. > >Please, correct me. > > >That's the problem with the French too, they learned English from the > >British! :-) > >Mike G. > > OK! the English picked up some french along the way (William the > Conqueror) > (1066AD) > > Billy spent some time in England, probably sowing his oats! Wild ones,that > is. > > Any self respecting French man would crumble his croissant if he heard the > French picked up English. > Enough of that! > > Wheat, oat and barley are kinds of grain. Corn is a starchy vegetable, > also > known in some countries as Mais. > > British English from a Brit. > > Thanks for your time. Eric > > Please do not archive. > >