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1. 04:33 AM - Powder coated motor mount (Fox5flyer)
2. 07:29 AM - Clevis movement (Chenoweth)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: Clevis movement (Don Pearsall)
4. 09:13 AM - Wing support while trailering (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
5. 12:08 PM - Re: Clevis movement (Cudnohufsky's)
6. 12:39 PM - Re: Clevis movement (Michel Verheughe)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: Clevis movement (John Stoner)
8. 03:02 PM - Re: UHS Spinner (John King)
9. 04:09 PM - Re: Clevis movement (Don Smythe)
10. 04:14 PM - Re: Wing support while trailering (Fox5flyer)
11. 05:18 PM - Skystar (Rex & Jan Shaw)
12. 06:06 PM - Re: Skystar (Don Pearsall)
13. 06:59 PM - Skystar order ()
14. 09:34 PM - Re: UHS Spinner (Guy Buchanan)
15. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Clevis movement (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Powder coated motor mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
We all feel the pain with Skystar Scott, but not as much as you folks
waiting for parts. Hopefully they'll soon climb out of their hole and you
folks will be able to finish your projects.
As for the powder coat. It's my opinion that you're better off without it
on the mount because it can tend to hide cracks. Better to just zinc
chromate it then top coat with a thin coat of white. That way, any cracks
will be easily spotted.
Deke
> I just received my engine mount after waiting 2 years and 9 months. Of
> course it is missing the powdercoat. Now I'm just waiting on the exhaust
> that I have been told is in quality control for inspection since last May.
> And I bought the quick build kit.
>
> I'm glad to see Skystar getting some orders out. But I don't have to much
> faith that I will see my remaining backordered exhaust before the three
year
> anniversary of my kit.
>
> Scott Miller
> Kitfox Sport
> Seattle/Bremerton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RV73HL@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar Where are they ?Skystar Where are they ?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
> >
> > I just received an order today, that was only two weeks old. Looks to
me
> > like they are doing their job.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on the list
has experienced something similar.
The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants to work
its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just noticed that the
safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11 flight hours ago and pounded
the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin is now about halfway back up.
There is obviously motion somewhere.
There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't manifest this
tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and fly with it from
full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in my left tank and have shutoffs
to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In other words the right wing weighs
50 pounds or so more than the left.
Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have no idea
if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I know if it is
a symptom of something bad.
So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if anything,
was done to correct it.
Thanks very much.
Bill in Maine
IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Bill,
It sounds like the pin is loose in the hole. You would not notice it when
there is stress from the weight of the wing on it. Have you taken the pin
out and examined it? Since it was going up and being pounded down, it may be
worn, which is not a good thing. Since it was moving upward, it is probably
tapered at the bottom - trying to go from tight to loose.
As you know, the more loose it is, the "looser" it will get faster and
faster. Try replacing it. If it is too loose in the hole, you may need one a
few thousanths over.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth
Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on the
list has experienced something similar.
The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants to
work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just noticed
that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11 flight hours
ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin is now about
halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't manifest
this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and fly with it
from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in my left tank and
have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In other words the
right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have no
idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I know if
it is a symptom of something bad.
So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
anything, was done to correct it.
Thanks very much.
Bill in Maine
IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
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| Subject: | Wing support while trailering |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Does anyone know how the Model V wings are secured at the aft end so the
aircraft can be towed? I know the front spar is supported with a wing brace
like the Model IV. Unlike the Model 4, the Series V does not seem to have the
aft attach brackets.
Do not archive
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Bill,
Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the same as
the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I also
never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my thinking.
Anyone else?
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on
> the list has experienced something similar.
>
> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants
> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin is
> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
>
> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and
> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in my
> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
>
> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have
> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I know
> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>
> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
> anything, was done to correct it.
>
> Thanks very much.
> Bill in Maine
> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> but I also
> never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my thinking.
> Anyone else?
> Lloyd
Well, first Bill, my pin never moves by itself and I need a mallet when I want
to remove it. Lloyd, my inspector didn't like at all the safety pin. He told me
I should change it for a bolt with castle-nut.
My opinion? None! I don't know anything about structural aviation metallurgy.
But I guess if the clevis with safety pin has been standard for so many years,
smarter people than me and my inspector, have agreed that it was safe enough.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
I replaced the pins with AN45-32 eyebolts, castellated nuts and cotters. I
can then use the eyebolts as lifting eyes when changing from wheels to
floats and back.
Regards,
John Stoner
KFIII, 582
Alaska
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Guy,
Make sure that the fiberglass back plate is secured to the prop flange
with wide diameter washers. Something near one inch in diameter.
Otherwise there will be cracking of the fiberglass at the mounting bolt
holes. Some people use an aluminum back plate, even better.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>All,
> I bought a 10" UHS fiberglass spinner to go over my Warp Drive
>three blade with HP hub. The spinner back plate looks to be about .08" of
>chopped strand mat fiberglass - not a very robust part, in my opinion. Has
>anyone cracked or broken one of these? Should I reinforce it with some of
>my carbon iso-plate?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Loyd,
Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/ cotter
pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to squeeze
too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Bill,
> Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
> either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the same
> as
> the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I also
> never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my thinking.
> Anyone else?
> Lloyd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>>
>> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on
>> the list has experienced something similar.
>>
>> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants
>> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
>> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
>> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin
>> is
>> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
>>
>> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
>> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and
>> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in
>> my
>> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
>> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
>>
>> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have
>> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
>> know
>> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>>
>> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
>> anything, was done to correct it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>> Bill in Maine
>> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support while trailering |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
They should have been included with the kit. Slightly different than the
IV. To attach them you you run a long bolt through the hole near the
leading edge of the horizontal stab. If you can't find them, let me know
and I'll snap a photo of mine and send it to you.
Deke
--> Does anyone know how the Model V wings are secured at the aft end so
the
> aircraft can be towed? I know the front spar is supported with a wing
brace
> like the Model IV. Unlike the Model 4, the Series V does not seem to
have the
> aft attach brackets.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Weiss
> Series V
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Does anyone else have problems with Skystar?
We bought 10 kits and brought them to South Africa 1 year ago.
To be honest the level of service from Skystar since Ed Downs left has been
non existent.
They never answer emails, never return phone calls, never send out an order
without being chased and even then only after several months.
Does anyone know what is going on as they have not been answering their
phones at all for 3 days and the message answering service is FULL and will
take no more messages.
Will they go bust OR what?
Guys I had my own business for over 30yrs before I sold out and retired. A
couple of years in we ran close to the wind financially. At that time we
couldn't buy what we wanted. Our credit rating was shaky and we couldn't
always supply what the customer wanted. Staff was cut back and so service
was difficult to maintain. However we struggled through and went on to do
very well.
I know we all need to have Skystar there and I think if we don't make it too
hard for them with unnecessary negative feedback they have a good chance of
coming good in the end. Yes they probably could try harder to answer the
phone and be honest about deliveries. However they can't deliver what they
don't have and can't get. If you wan't Skystar there please give them a go.
They have admitted to this list only about 12 months ago that their problems
were financial based. I think that was very difficult for them to do. Give
them credit for that !
Yes I do understand if you are on the wrong end of the stick and not getting
things especially if you have paid for them. If that's your personal
experience then you do have the right to complain but consider first.
Perhaps your complaining might even be the straw that breaks the camels back
so that in fact the goods you are waiting for that would have eventually
come might then not come at all because Skystar does dissapear.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Rex, thank you for your words of real-world experience. I am absolutely
positive that the Skystar staff are working hard to keep the doors open,
just like you did. HOWEVER, they should also know how important good
relations are for both existing and potential customers. Not answering
phones or email, and having a full voice mailbox only invite speculation and
bad vibes like you see expressed here. That is not good business and I am
sure you did not use that as part of your business model!
Skystar will recover eventually, but I sure hate to see them make things
look bad for themselves when it is so easily avoided.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Does anyone else have problems with Skystar?
We bought 10 kits and brought them to South Africa 1 year ago.
To be honest the level of service from Skystar since Ed Downs left has been
non existent.
They never answer emails, never return phone calls, never send out an order
without being chased and even then only after several months.
Does anyone know what is going on as they have not been answering their
phones at all for 3 days and the message answering service is FULL and will
take no more messages.
Will they go bust OR what?
Guys I had my own business for over 30yrs before I sold out and retired. A
couple of years in we ran close to the wind financially. At that time we
couldn't buy what we wanted. Our credit rating was shaky and we couldn't
always supply what the customer wanted. Staff was cut back and so service
was difficult to maintain. However we struggled through and went on to do
very well.
I know we all need to have Skystar there and I think if we don't make it too
hard for them with unnecessary negative feedback they have a good chance of
coming good in the end. Yes they probably could try harder to answer the
phone and be honest about deliveries. However they can't deliver what they
don't have and can't get. If you wan't Skystar there please give them a go.
They have admitted to this list only about 12 months ago that their problems
were financial based. I think that was very difficult for them to do. Give
them credit for that !
Yes I do understand if you are on the wrong end of the stick and not getting
things especially if you have paid for them. If that's your personal
experience then you do have the right to complain but consider first.
Perhaps your complaining might even be the straw that breaks the camels back
so that in fact the goods you are waiting for that would have eventually
come might then not come at all because Skystar does dissapear.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <highwaystar47@yahoo.com>
Ordered the kitfox pilot's guide and it came today in the snail mail. All went
well, sent check and in less then 2 weeks got my order. I know it was not much,
but!
Steve
Barrington, NH
http://websites.expercraft.com/highwaystar/ My web page.
---------------------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:59 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>Make sure that the fiberglass back plate is secured to the prop flange
>with wide diameter washers.
The UHS folks sent fender and flat washers to be stacked over the holes.
Hopefully that will prove to be enough, as I'm going to forego the carbon
plate for now. I've mounted the spinner and was disappointed with the holes
cut for the prop. I recommend to all to order their UHS spinner plain and
cut the holes themselves. The cuts and measurements are very simple and
anyone can do a neater job than UHS. If I'd been smart I'd have mounted it
before I painted it, noticed the problem, and then sent it back for an
un-cut unit. Oh well. More silk purses from sow's ears. It appears to run
true, however.
Thanks John,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:24 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>I replaced the pins with AN45-32 eyebolts, castellated nuts and cotters. I
>can then use the eyebolts as lifting eyes when changing from wheels to
>floats and back.
This is a great idea. I personally think the spar holes should be captured
with bolts. Otherwise there's no requirement that they stay in contact with
the associated fuselage frame tube. With a clevis, the spar reinforcements
can splay up and down, bending the clevis pin and ultimately failing. (I
know, it's never happened.) Capturing the spars keeps them round and the
attachment bolts in (almost) pure shear.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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