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1. 06:11 AM - Re: KF II Motor Mount on ebay (David Savener)
2. 08:50 AM - Battery (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: Battery (jdmcbean)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: Need Series 5 cowling (rliebmann@comcast.net)
5. 04:03 PM - rear spar spacer (quichotte_40)
6. 05:40 PM - Upper Strut Attach Point (Brett Walmsley)
7. 05:55 PM - Re: Upper Strut Attach Point (Don Pearsall)
8. 05:58 PM - SkyStar (jdmcbean)
9. 06:22 PM - Re: SkyStar (Don Pearsall)
10. 06:34 PM - Re: SkyStar (Dee Young)
11. 06:43 PM - Re: Upper Strut Attach Point (flier)
12. 06:48 PM - Re: SkyStar (Len Shorethose)
13. 07:25 PM - Skystar:Their jobs (ron schick)
14. 07:57 PM - Parts (Bob Unternaehrer)
15. 07:58 PM - Re: Clevis movement (david yeamans)
16. 07:59 PM - Fw: Parts (Bob Unternaehrer)
17. 08:06 PM - Re: Skystar (david yeamans)
18. 09:22 PM - Re: Clevis movement (Graeme Toft)
19. 10:31 PM - Classic IV / Lite2 (jdmcbean)
20. 11:37 PM - Re: Upper Strut Attach Point (Guy Buchanan)
21. 11:52 PM - VFR Lighting Requirements (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: KF II Motor Mount on ebay |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
The original style mount had horizontal metal rails. The lower rear cowling fastened
to the rails with southco fasteners. Also, my 532 sat and was bolted to
a metal plate. The metal plate fastened to the motor mount with rubber bushings
(I can't remember what type but they were rubber cylinders).
The new mount has no rails and the cowling fasteners are completely different.
The Motor mounts fasten to the sides of the 582 with a completely different type
of bracket. Mounting to the engine on the sides is supposed to allow the
rubber mounts to absorb torsional vibration much better.
Dave Savener
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----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF II Motor Mount on ebay
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
curious what is the difference...?
I have a KF2 .... had an 532 original box and installed a 582 BH "E" box,
took some doing but engine mount was the same....
Thanks
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site was
given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand fits the
plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site was
given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand fits the
plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
John,
I have been using a sealed battery over the last 2 years and have been
very
pleased.. have sold several of them. About half way down the page....
http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site
was given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand
fits the plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site
was given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand
fits the plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: rliebmann@comcast.net
Hi Listers,
Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the one
for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale too.
Thanks, Ron N55KF
Hi Listers,
Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the one for
the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale too.
Thanks, Ron N55KF
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| Subject: | rear spar spacer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "quichotte_40" <quichotte_40@msn.com>
hi, I`m building the wings for my c4 and it is not clear to me if the
rear spar bracket location dimension of 96 1/4 should be measured
from the rear spar root location with or without the 1/2 inch spacer
on the wing fixture. Should the dimension be taken from the spar
tube beginning or from behind the spacer. thank`s to all. JF
Hebert
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| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt in
tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not heard
of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it just fine
and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I think John McBean has a reinforcement kit for this. I have seen pics of
it, but not installed in a real airplane. From a technical standpoint, isn't
that bolt, pin, etc, in shear, not tension?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt
in tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not
heard of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it
just fine and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although the
phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to get
the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from the
courts.
As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
them please give us a shout if we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks for the verification, John. I have been getting messages from various
sources and trying to get this substantiated today before sending it out to
the list.
This is not the end, though. There are buyers in the wings waiting to take
over the assets and the business. I doubt if they will take over any debt or
obligations, however. Chapter 7 is the "bad" bankruptcy, where the business
is essentially dissolved and must sell off everything.
Good luck to Frank Miller and the rest of the SS staff, I know they tried
hard to avoid this.
As John said, this list will continue and we will provide support to each
other.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although the
phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to get
the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from the
courts.
As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
them please give us a shout if we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
This is a hellova note ain't it
Dee
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----- Original Message -----
From: Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks for the verification, John. I have been getting messages from various
sources and trying to get this substantiated today before sending it out to
the list.
This is not the end, though. There are buyers in the wings waiting to take
over the assets and the business. I doubt if they will take over any debt or
obligations, however. Chapter 7 is the "bad" bankruptcy, where the business
is essentially dissolved and must sell off everything.
Good luck to Frank Miller and the rest of the SS staff, I know they tried
hard to avoid this.
As John said, this list will continue and we will provide support to each
other.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although the
phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to get
the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from the
courts.
As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
them please give us a shout if we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Don, I don't think John has a kit for the lift strut? We're talking the
upper rod end fittings.
When Skystar did the original static load tests it was the AN threaded
fitting that failed. With that said, the spars were so close to failure
that it probably didn't matter anyway. Personally, I wouldn't worry about
those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
Negative loading will yield at somewhat less since those threaded fittings
will bend prior to failure but we're still talking over 4Gs negative if I
remember correctly.
Either way, I wouldn't sweat the struts...
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I think John McBean has a reinforcement kit for this. I have seen pics of
it, but not installed in a real airplane. From a technical standpoint, isn't
that bolt, pin, etc, in shear, not tension?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt
in tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not
heard of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it
just fine and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose" <toolowterrain@gmail.com>
Just a note to all those who are waiting on parts or entire kits like
myself. You may have some protection if you ordered anything from Skystar
and paid with a credit card. Just call your credit card company and have
the charges reversed. I have done so already with the $20K that I gave them
the last six months while waiting for my Series 7. I'm told that I will
receive a complete refund. We'll see.
Now does anyone know of a buyer for my zero time Lycoming O-235L2C ?
Len Shorethose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks for the verification, John. I have been getting messages from
> various
> sources and trying to get this substantiated today before sending it out
> to
> the list.
>
> This is not the end, though. There are buyers in the wings waiting to take
> over the assets and the business. I doubt if they will take over any debt
> or
> obligations, however. Chapter 7 is the "bad" bankruptcy, where the
> business
> is essentially dissolved and must sell off everything.
>
> Good luck to Frank Miller and the rest of the SS staff, I know they tried
> hard to avoid this.
>
> As John said, this list will continue and we will provide support to each
> other.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
> Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
> the
> phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
> get
> the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
> was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
> the
> courts.
>
> As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
> Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
> them please give us a shout if we can help.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skystar:Their jobs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I'm sorry for those who have lost their jobs as well as those with
deposits. I was shipped my packages before the deadline which I appreciate.
Unfortunately UPS lost some of the contents. For me it is only a toy, and
I must put it in perspective. I too have seen Job loss while others on this
list have lost planes and health to the perils of flying.
Thanks Skystar for the services you have provided. Ron NB Ore n541KF
n117AF n67779
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I just talked to one of the lucky ones who recieved parts last week from skystar.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Don,
I think what you are doing with the front spars using Castle Bolts and
nuts with cotter pins
are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same problem Bill In Maine had with
the Clevis bolt
creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my annual Conditioning inspection.
The Safety pin on
the left wing only, was extra tight and had started to wear. I exchanged it for
a cotter pin which
was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to a Castle Bolt and Nut with cotter
pin. I only fold
the wings back once a year so certainly no inconvienious . This was a topic
a year ago or so
and there is really nothing to worry about. The Clevis bolt could come clear out
while flying, and
aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
David Yeamans
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Loyd,
Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/ cotter
pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to squeeze
too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Bill,
> Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
> either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the same
> as
> the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I also
> never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my thinking.
> Anyone else?
> Lloyd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>>
>> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on
>> the list has experienced something similar.
>>
>> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants
>> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
>> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
>> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin
>> is
>> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
>>
>> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
>> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and
>> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in
>> my
>> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
>> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
>>
>> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have
>> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
>> know
>> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>>
>> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
>> anything, was done to correct it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>> Bill in Maine
>> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
Subject: Parts
I just talked to one of the lucky ones who recieved parts last week from skystar.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Rex,
My very Sentiments, Bravo !!!!!
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex & Jan Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Does anyone else have problems with Skystar?
We bought 10 kits and brought them to South Africa 1 year ago.
To be honest the level of service from Skystar since Ed Downs left has been
non existent.
They never answer emails, never return phone calls, never send out an order
without being chased and even then only after several months.
Does anyone know what is going on as they have not been answering their
phones at all for 3 days and the message answering service is FULL and will
take no more messages.
Will they go bust OR what?
Guys I had my own business for over 30yrs before I sold out and retired. A
couple of years in we ran close to the wind financially. At that time we
couldn't buy what we wanted. Our credit rating was shaky and we couldn't
always supply what the customer wanted. Staff was cut back and so service
was difficult to maintain. However we struggled through and went on to do
very well.
I know we all need to have Skystar there and I think if we don't make it too
hard for them with unnecessary negative feedback they have a good chance of
coming good in the end. Yes they probably could try harder to answer the
phone and be honest about deliveries. However they can't deliver what they
don't have and can't get. If you wan't Skystar there please give them a go.
They have admitted to this list only about 12 months ago that their problems
were financial based. I think that was very difficult for them to do. Give
them credit for that !
Yes I do understand if you are on the wrong end of the stick and not getting
things especially if you have paid for them. If that's your personal
experience then you do have the right to complain but consider first.
Perhaps your complaining might even be the straw that breaks the camels back
so that in fact the goods you are waiting for that would have eventually
come might then not come at all because Skystar does dissapear.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying configuration even if
the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head
around that one. Could someone please explain how because my gut feel is
that the wing would fold back immediately the pin was released.
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
> Don,
>
> I think what you are doing with the front spars using Castle Bolts
> and nuts with cotter pins
> are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same problem Bill In Maine
> had with the Clevis bolt
> creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my annual Conditioning
> inspection. The Safety pin on
> the left wing only, was extra tight and had started to wear. I exchanged
> it for a cotter pin which
> was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to a Castle Bolt and Nut
> with cotter pin. I only fold
> the wings back once a year so certainly no inconvienious . This was a
> topic a year ago or so
> and there is really nothing to worry about. The Clevis bolt could come
> clear out while flying, and
> aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
>
>
> David Yeamans
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Smythe
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Loyd,
> Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/
> cotter
> pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
> rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to squeeze
> too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's"
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
> >
> > Bill,
> > Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
> > either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the
> same
> > as
> > the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I
> also
> > never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my
> thinking.
> > Anyone else?
> > Lloyd
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >>
> >> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone
> on
> >> the list has experienced something similar.
> >>
> >> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru
> wants
> >> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
> >> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
> >> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis
> pin
> >> is
> >> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
> >>
> >> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
> >> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right
> and
> >> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas
> in
> >> my
> >> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
> >> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
> >>
> >> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I
> have
> >> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
> >> know
> >> if it is a symptom of something bad.
> >>
> >> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
> >> anything, was done to correct it.
> >>
> >> Thanks very much.
> >> Bill in Maine
> >> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Classic IV / Lite2 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Anyone currently building a late Model IV ( 2002 or newer ) or a Lite
(squared) please contact me off-list
Thanks.
Do not archive.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:42 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:
>Personally, I wouldn't worry about
>those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
Well,
You got me thinking. A bad thing. Blew an entire evening.
individual strut load of 757 pounds, assuming constant loading over the
span and both struts loaded equally. (A dubious assumption, at best.) My
strut ends are Aurora MW-4H-12's, which appear to be custom units,
consisting of 5/16" bodies with 9/16" wide balls drilled to 1/4. Since
Skystar supplied AN hardware, this was a reasonable thing to do. Now my
Aurora catalog shows MW-5 (5/16") spherical bearings have a radial static
load capacity of 3133 pounds. This gives a reserve factor of 4.1. Yes
folks, that means the spherical bearing will fail at a load factor of 4.1.
Hmmm. I wonder what happened to six.
Next I checked the threads. The 5/16-24 threads have a tensile
stress area of .058 sq. in. This gives an average stress across the threads
of 13ksi. I checked McMaster Carr for threaded rod and found the following
three possibilities:
18-8 Stainless, "minimum tensile strength" = 70ksi, failure
load factor = 5.4
Non Rated steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 58ksi, failure
load factor = 4.5
Grade B7 steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 125ksi, failure
load factor = 9.6
Any bets on which Skystar used? I'd bet mild steel.
I haven't even addressed stress concentration factors or fatigue
life, though the low strength steels will have superior fatigue life and
higher crack resistance.
As an aside, the 1/4" bolt, being AN hardware and therefore 125ksi
tensile material, is good for about 7.7ksi in shear, giving load factor to
failure of about 10.2.
possibility reduce my maximum load factor to about 2.7. This would reduce
Vno by about 18%. (For example, a K-IV-1200 Vno would go from 99 mph to 81
mph.) I don't know if Vne would change. Of course you could always modify
your struts. (Does anybody know what Skystar did in '01 to beef up the
struts? I saw replacement struts available on the web site.)
series units, good to 7639 pounds. (I may do this anyway. Make sure the
ball is custom made to fit the wing fitting. Don't fill with washers.) I'd
also replace the stud with a larger diameter Grade B7 steel. It looks like
you might be able to use a 3/8" body (AW-6) with a custom ball. (1/4" hole
and 7/16" width.) If I can remember tomorrow I'll call Aurora and see
what's possible.
PS Does anyone have a pair of good pre-'01 K-IV-1200 struts they'd
give/sell me? I'll pull them and get some answers for us.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | VFR Lighting Requirements |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
Currently my day VFR Kitfox has no lights. It appears I am
required to run an anti-collision light at a minimum. (FAR 91.205b11) Does
this sound correct? Does anyone have a recommendation for a minimalist
anti-collision light system?
Thank you in advance,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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