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1. 03:56 AM - Kitfox Value (Don Smythe)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Kitfox Value (Bob Unternaehrer)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Kitfox Value (Don Smythe)
4. 05:00 AM - Parts Needed (Magdic, Steve)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Parts Needed (Jose M. Toro)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: SkyStar (Jeff Pfister)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Parts Needed (Kevin Schlosser)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: Parts Needed (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Skystar (Joel Mapes)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: Parts Needed (jdmcbean)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: Parts Needed (ron schick)
12. 09:37 AM - Re: Kitfox Value (daniel johnson)
13. 09:54 AM - Re: Skystar (Marco Menezes)
14. 11:39 AM - Re: Skystar (Bruce Harrington)
15. 12:04 PM - Re: Skystar (daniel johnson)
16. 12:39 PM - Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 (Jose M. Toro)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 (Clifford Begnaud)
18. 12:52 PM - Skystar foxes etc (Kerry Skyring)
19. 02:52 PM - Re: Parts Needed (QSS)
20. 04:39 PM - Engine Orders (Greaves)
21. 06:14 PM - Re: Skystar (Randy Daughenbaugh)
22. 06:43 PM - Re: Skystar (Bob Unternaehrer)
23. 08:18 PM - Re: Kitfox Value (John Anderson)
24. 09:00 PM - Re: Need Series 5 cowling (Ron Liebmann)
25. 09:02 PM - Re: Skystar foxes etc (Guy Buchanan)
26. 09:02 PM - Re: Skystar (Guy Buchanan)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my Classic IV
and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value. On one hand,
you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would decrease the value.
On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore which would drive
the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings in this kind of situation.
Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking out loud,
there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated or rebuilt
from scratch (IMO)
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my
Classic IV and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value.
On one hand, you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would
decrease the value. On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore
which would drive the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings in
this kind of situation.
>
> Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking
out loud, there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated
or rebuilt from scratch (IMO)
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Well, I might just bring it home, hang it from the living room ceiling and
use it as a conversation piece.
Do Not Archive
Thanks,
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
> depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
> things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
> times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the ghost this
past weekend.
Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have sent
off a parts request
to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and answer
much less make a
purchase.
Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me temporarily
to get me back home.
I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type tailwheel.
If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement leaf springs,
please let me know.
Thank you,
Steve Magdic
N490PA
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Steve:
Check www.airdale.com under products. It should fit.
Jose
--- "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve"
> <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf
> spring gave up the ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of
> a replacement. I have sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little
> faith that I'll get and answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused
> Matco assembly to me temporarily to get me back
> home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model
> 3 with the Maule type tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source
> for these replacement leaf springs, please let me
> know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Pfister" <jpfister@lpaero.com>
Please excuse this "commercial" post. At this point, it seems the best
way to contact
the folks we have not been able to call directly.
First, in light of the recent Chapter 7 filing, we too would like to
express our
concern for the employees of Skystar and for the builders who may be
caught up in the
circumstances.
As many of you know, LP Aero Plastics has been supplying formed acrylic
windshields and windows
for the Kitfox series aircraft for some time. We have sold some of
these directly to builders,
and in some cases as proprietary parts to Skystar. It has been our
policy, in the case of
proprietary parts, to support kit builders directly when the kit
manufacturer can no longer do so.
If any of you have windshield/window orders pending through Skystar,
please contact me at
800-957-2376 or 724-744-4448, FAX 724-744-7372, or e-mail
jpfister@lpaero.com <mailto:jpfister@lpaero.com> or
windshields@lpaero.com <mailto:windshields@lpaero.com> . We would like
to make sure you get your windows.
Thanks,
Jeff Pfister
LP Aero Plastics, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kevin Schlosser" <kschlosser@proformtool.com>
Steve,
I bought a leaf spring from Aircraft Spruce for homebuilts. It needed minor modification
(Ground 2 small notches to fit between the mounting bolts in the rear)
as it was 11/2" wide, I believe. I also made a small bushing for the front
hole as it was 1/16" too large. It has worked really well on my Scott 2000
tailwheel and it was approx. $30.00. I believe it was a couple of inches longer
than stock, but I put it on as it came - I like the stance with the tail a
bit higher than original.
Kevin (Model 3)
N333KF
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| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Steve, a friend used a J3 Cub spring. He had to shim the hole at the fuse
end, but it worked.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the
> ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have
> sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and
> answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
> temporarily to get me back home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type
> tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement
> leaf springs, please let me know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
The link below is to the Idaho Courts site.
http://www.id.uscourts.gov/
On that page is a link to Electronic Case Filing\Bankruptcy EFC login.
You will need to create a login account and will be charged an 8 cents per
page access fee,
which is pretty cheap to find out what's going on if you have a lot of money
at stake.
I lost 90% of my pre-paid flight training funds in a bankruptcy proceeding
over 20 years ago.
My attendance at the courthouse is all that got me the 10% I didn't lose.
Best of luck to those of you with deposits outstanding. The Kitfox line of
aircraft are too good
to just go away, so I am sure someone will buy the assets and keep building
planes. I hope
it's someone in North America.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs (final assembly)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Steve,
I have tail wheel springs.....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Magdic, Steve
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the ghost
this past weekend.
Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have
sent off a parts request
to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and
answer much less make a
purchase.
Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
temporarily to get me back home.
I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type
tailwheel.
If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement leaf
springs, please let me know.
Thank you,
Steve Magdic
N490PA
Wisconsin
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Steve call Airdale Or John Mcbean
do not archive Ron NB Or
>From: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:59:28 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
>Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the ghost
>this past weekend.
>Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have
>sent off a parts request
>to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and
>answer much less make a
>purchase.
>Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
>temporarily to get me back home.
>I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type
>tailwheel.
>If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement
>leaf springs, please let me know.
>Thank you,
>Steve Magdic
>N490PA
>Wisconsin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
As far as values go..Skystar never gave any support to owners of kitfox
models 1-3 other than a few misc parts that fit 3 and 4's thru commomality
of design. Having said that, i think there isn't a thing in a kitfox you
cant produce on you own...or someone at your local EAA chapter can. I own a
model 3..so while i hate to see any of you guys lose money on parts that
didn't show up(thats the bad part) ..you just joined the same boat with the
mods1-3 owners...and we're doing just fine. These planes continue to change
hands for a fair price i think. Just a different opinion though..dan
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:15:00 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
>depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
>things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
>times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> >
> > Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my
>Classic IV and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value.
>On one hand, you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would
>decrease the value. On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore
>which would drive the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings
>in
>this kind of situation.
> >
> > Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking
>out loud, there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated
>or rebuilt from scratch (IMO)
> >
> > Don Smythe
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
I'm a semi-retired lawyer who used to do Chapter 7's and 13's some years ago. I'm
not current on the changes in the Bankruptcy Code rammed thru Congress last
year by the Credit Card industry, but Skystar's filing on 10/14 should fall under
the old code. Following are my best recollections of the process.
Don's not quite right regarding unsecured creditors. After the secured creditors
and "priority" debts (e.g. lawyer's fees) are paid, unsecured creditors get
what's left. It's not on a first-come basis, rather those who file a "proof of
claim" with the court receive a pro-rata distribution of the residual bankruptcy
estate. As a practical matter, at least in personal Ch 7's, the residual is
often zippo.
In its filing, Skystar would have had to include a list of creditors which will,
theoretically, name all of you out there who have paid for stuff and not received
it. They're required to send a proof of claim form to each listed creditor
and a notice with instructions on completing and filing the form. It must be
filed by the deadline on the notice (usually 90 days after the "first meeting
of creditors") or you maybe SOL.
Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy court's
website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of creditors and
the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call Skystar's bankruptcy
counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you are on it and don't get
a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the deadline for claims, go online
get the form (official form 10), fill it out and send it in before the drop-dead
date.
Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
with the BK court get paid first.
You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a claim,
and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
off as a bad debt.
PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got the
most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60
days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone
else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my box
anytime soon...
Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does
this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho
and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
have felt better with the engine I paid for.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=49
Seems to be a list here.
bh
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm a semi-retired lawyer who used to do Chapter 7's and 13's some years
> ago. I'm not current on the changes in the Bankruptcy Code rammed thru
> Congress last year by the Credit Card industry, but Skystar's filing on
> 10/14 should fall under the old code. Following are my best recollections
> of the process.
>
> Don's not quite right regarding unsecured creditors. After the secured
> creditors and "priority" debts (e.g. lawyer's fees) are paid, unsecured
> creditors get what's left. It's not on a first-come basis, rather those
> who file a "proof of claim" with the court receive a pro-rata distribution
> of the residual bankruptcy estate. As a practical matter, at least in
> personal Ch 7's, the residual is often zippo.
>
> In its filing, Skystar would have had to include a list of creditors which
> will, theoretically, name all of you out there who have paid for stuff and
> not received it. They're required to send a proof of claim form to each
> listed creditor and a notice with instructions on completing and filing
> the form. It must be filed by the deadline on the notice (usually 90 days
> after the "first meeting of creditors") or you maybe SOL.
>
> Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy
> court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
> are on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
> out and send it in before the drop-dead date.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on another
site...
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
Hope it helps, Dan
>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
.>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
.>
>.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy
>court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
>creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
>Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you are
>on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
>deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it out
>and send it in before the drop-dead date.
>
>
>Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
>For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
>amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
>$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
>declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
>very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
>with the BK court get paid first.
>
>You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a claim,
>and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
>are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
>that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
>Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
>
>So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
>off as a bad debt.
>
>PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got the
>most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
>
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
>
>Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
>screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60
>days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
>but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone
>else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my box
>anytime soon...
>Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
>considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does
>this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho
>and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
>I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
>debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
>20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
>experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
>have felt better with the engine I paid for.
>
>
>Marco Menezes
>Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
Would a Kitfox V be underpowered with a Jabiru 2200?
I'm just curious!
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
In my opinion, a model 5 would be underpowered with a Jabiru 3300.
Cliff
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Would a Kitfox V be underpowered with a Jabiru 2200?
> I'm just curious!
>
>
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> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Skystar foxes etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Deep sympathies to all who are caught in the Skystar Chapter 7 bankruptcy -
the customers and the people at Skystar. I don't know if it helps anyone but
maybe there's some consolation in that the Kitfox is still being produced as
a factory built aircraft in Europe i.e. the Eurofox. I hasten to add that I
have no connection to Eurofox and most of what I know about them is what I
have learnt from a search on google. See below, two links which have quite a
lot of info. Because I am in Austria, next door to Slovakia where the
Eurofox is made, I also hear a bit of hangar talk about the Eurofox but I
have yet to see one in the fabric. I suspect this info. is of little use to
kit builders because the Eurofox is sold as a factory built plane, not a
kit. But surely a factory built plane must have parts supplies and so maybe
this is a source of at least some parts for kit builders? I don't know. I
just hope this goes a little way to reassuring everyone that the design is a
good one, that the plane has a future and we will all be able to keep flying
them and those who are in the process of building will be able to complete
them. By the way, we have had the final, final, inspection of the S5 outback
and now need to do a bit more paperwork and lots and lots of run-ups and
taxying but the day of the first flight is approaching. I will soon post
some photos. Wish us luck.
Kerry.
http://rlsa.bydanjohnson.com/index.cfm?b=6&m=4&i=23
http://www.rlsa.us/eurofox.htm
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
This is an issue I have seen on the list a number of times. I had a
similar situation and decided after quite a lot of time looking around
and getting no where that I would make a template of the original broken
one and take it to a spring works for tempering. I had 4 made up for
next to nothing. They work beautifully. Im not sure how your liability
laws work in the USA but here in Oz no one will fabricate parts for
aircraft unless authorised to do so. My tail springs became farm
machinery parts. Problem solved.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Steve, a friend used a J3 Cub spring. He had to shim the hole at the
fuse
end, but it worked.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Magdic, Steve"
<steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the
> ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I
have
> sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get
and
> answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
> temporarily to get me back home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule
type
> tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these
replacement
> leaf springs, please let me know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
--
12/10/2005
--
12/10/2005
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Who else was told a few months ago by Crystal Loveland that our Rotaxs were a few
months from delivery? Being that my listed claim amount over on the lazair
website is nothing near the cost of the engine, does this mean my engine money
is in the hands of Rotax? And I would assume that when my engine (that my money
paid for) arrives in Idaho, it will be sold off to give me a few bucks and
cover the lawyer fees.
Fortunately the parts I need are likely going to be obtainable from suppliers (ie
grove, lp). Who supplies the fuel tanks?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Interesting....I am on the list.
I am fairly sure that they do not owe me anything. Maybe the list is not
as long as it looks.
I hope for the best possible outcome...... Whatever that may be.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of daniel johnson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on another
site...
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
Hope it helps, Dan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
<kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
> In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
another
> site...
> http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> Hope it helps, Dan
>
>
> >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> .>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> .>
> >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
bankruptcy
> >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
are
> >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
out
> >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> >
> >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
> >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
> >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
> >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
> >with the BK court get paid first.
> >
> >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
claim,
> >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
> >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
> >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> >
> >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
> >off as a bad debt.
> >
> >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
the
> >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
> >
> >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about
60
> >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
> >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
someone
> >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
box
> >anytime soon...
> >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
does
> >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
Idaho
> >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
> >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
> >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> >
> >
> >Marco Menezes
> >Model 2 582 N99KX
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Look ast the price of Cessna 180/185s now??
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From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my
Classic IV and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value.
On one hand, you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would
decrease the value. On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore
which would drive the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings in
this kind of situation.
>
>Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking
out loud, there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated
or rebuilt from scratch (IMO)
>
>Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Good Golly, Kerry,
Thats just what I need BUT....distance here is the factor. I
appreciate ya getting back to me.
> Ron wrote,
>>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>
> Hi Ron, we have an unused cowl for the Continental 0-200 engine on a
> Series
> 5. Problem is we are in Vienna Austria and the freight costs would
> probably
> make this non-viable for you. However keep
> it in mind and if you don't source anything locally give me an email and
> we
> will try to work out a
> viable deal. Kerry.
> S5 builders helper.
> Taxied it on Sunday. Ohitsjustwunderbar.
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar foxes etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 12:52 PM 10/19/2005, you wrote:
>But surely a factory built plane must have parts supplies and so maybe
>this is a source of at least some parts for kit builders?
This makes me happy. I had forgotten about the Eurofox. Hopefully it's
close enough to supply ground-loop parts.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 11:10 AM 10/19/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
>http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=49
>Seems to be a list here.
>bh
So it appears they owe the IRS $52k and Charlie Huff, (I assume an
investor,) $68k. Other than that they've got two lawsuits pending. I'm
guessing either the IRS or the lawsuits precipitated the failure. Does
anyone know about the suits?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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