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1. 01:31 AM - Large wingtank for Mk3 (Gordon Faulkner)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 (Jose M. Toro)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Skystar (David Dawe)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: NOw have new plane (Colin Durey)
5. 06:10 AM - need builders manual (glen rowland)
6. 06:29 AM - 13 gal tank (Hm Doud)
7. 07:08 AM - Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 (Gordon Faulkner)
8. 07:21 AM - Re: 13 gal tank (Tom Jones)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Upper Strut Attach PointUpper Strut Attach Point (Michael Gibbs)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: parts needed (EMAproducts@aol.com)
11. 09:37 AM - A Little Good News (Michael Gibbs)
12. 09:46 AM - Re: A Little Good News (John Banes)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: A Little Good News (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: A Little Good News (W Duke)
15. 10:03 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Don Pearsall)
16. 10:04 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Cory Emberson)
17. 10:24 AM - Re: A Little Good News (daniel johnson)
18. 10:26 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Jose M. Toro)
19. 10:56 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Lyle Persels)
20. 12:00 PM - Re: A Little Good News (jdmcbean)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Lowell Fitt)
22. 12:31 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Michel Verheughe)
23. 12:35 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Don Smythe)
24. 01:06 PM - Re: need builders manual (eccles)
25. 01:24 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Jose M. Toro)
26. 01:26 PM - Re: Skystar (Marco Menezes)
27. 03:11 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Cudnohufsky's)
28. 03:14 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Ron Liebmann)
29. 03:33 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Don Smythe)
30. 05:03 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Steve Zakreski)
31. 05:49 PM - Fw: KITFOX (Don Smythe)
32. 05:52 PM - Re: A Little Good News (John Perry)
33. 05:59 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Rick)
34. 05:59 PM - Re: Fw: KITFOX (Don Pearsall)
35. 06:10 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Tom Jones)
36. 06:34 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Fred Shiple)
37. 07:08 PM - Re: A Little Good News (Donna and Roger McConnell)
38. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Upper Strut Attach PointUpper Strut (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Large wingtank for Mk3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi, Gordon Faulkner here posting from England. Just joined the list in time
to hear the bad news about Skystar; explains why no response from them to my
emails. Hope someone picks up the pieces.
I've just started a Mk3 kit that was imported to UK by the original owner 15
years ago! The kit had changed ownership a couple of times since arriving in
UK but remained unstarted until last month. It had gathered a light coat of
rust so I've taken the airframe back to bare metal and recoated it.
My kit has two 6 gal aluminium wingtanks so I'd emailed Skystar about buying
a 13 gal wing tank for the righthand side to extend my range a little. Does
anyone know who manufactured these tanks and how I can contact them? I'm
assuming they weren't fabricated in-house by Skystar. Alternatively does
anyone have a used 13 gal tank (or even a pair) from a damaged Mk3? My wings
will have the standard one inch twist.
Obviously I'll pay a fair price and cover the cost of shipment to England.
Regards to all.
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| Subject: | Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Gordon:
Steve Winder from Airdale, www.airdale.com, sell wing
tanks that fit the Kitfox III wings. Skystar never
had those wing tanks since the airfoil on Model III
and back is different from Model IV. Best wishes for
your project!
Jose
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@msn.com>
didn't see Rotax on the list?????????
Smart, hey?
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:41:24 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob
>U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
><kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
> >
> > In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
>another
> > site...
> > http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> > Hope it helps, Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> > .>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> > .>
> > >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
>bankruptcy
> > >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> > >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> > >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
>are
> > >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> > >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
>out
> > >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> > >
> > >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just
>an
> > >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out
>of
> > >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> > >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I
>was
> > >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file
>claims
> > >with the BK court get paid first.
> > >
> > >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
>claim,
> > >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of
>Skystar
> > >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to
>think
> > >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> > >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> > >
> > >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write
>it
> > >off as a bad debt.
> > >
> > >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
>the
> > >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
> > >
> > >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> > >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was
>about
>60
> > >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a
>letter
> > >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
>someone
> > >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
>box
> > >anytime soon...
> > >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> > >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
>does
> > >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
>Idaho
> > >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> > >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> > >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight
>is
> > >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> > >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I
>would
> > >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> > >
> > >
> > >Marco Menezes
> > >Model 2 582 N99KX
> > >
> > >---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NOw have new plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Rex,
Congrats on the new plane!!
I was in Maryborough last weekend, and came through Brisbane on my way
home, on Monday evening, so "missed you by that much".
I'm still progressing with the kit, but have to take it a bit easy at the
moment... I was using a straight-edge and a Stanely Knife to trim some
plywood and slightly trimmed the end of my left index finger... ouch!
I have decided to the fully streamline the empennage and install an
electric elevator trim, so have spent a fair amount of time designing the
rib templates and the trim mechanism. When my finger permits, I'll be back
into it again.
You mention registration change. What are you converting it to.. AUF or GA?
Deeply envious of your closeness to flight. I'm still some months away.
Cheers
Colin Durey
Sydney.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi Guys, last weekend I flew to Brisbane and took delivery of my new NSI
> powered KF1V 1200. Had an interesting trip home with the weather gods
> throwing rain, strong winds and threat of thunder storms at us for the 4
> hour trip. Its now time for me and my new mount to become acquainted with
> each other so while Im waiting for the registration to come through, Im
> going over every inch of her to learn what makes her tick. It definitely
> has potential to become a love affair.
>
> Cheers and thanks to all again.
> Do not archive
> Graeme Toft
>
>
Regards
Colin Durey
Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
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| Subject: | need builders manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "glen rowland" <grav8@mybluelight.com>
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a Kitfox
5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the great people
on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this plane. What
I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the builders manual.
if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will pay for the copies
or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near Indianapolis, IN I would love to
talk with you.
Thanks Glen
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a Kitfox
5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the great people
on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this plane. What
I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the builders manual.
if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will pay for the copies
or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near Indianapolis, IN I would love to
talk with you.
Thanks Glen
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. gas tank
with a 13 gal tank????
I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I have.
The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, before I
bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing yet, as I wonder
how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round front and rear spars.
The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, when the plane was built,
seems to be pretty strong.
Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it?
Herbert Doud
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| Subject: | Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Thanks for the help Jose, I'll contact Airdale rightaway.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Large wingtank for Mk3
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Gordon:
>
> Steve Winder from Airdale, www.airdale.com, sell wing
> tanks that fit the Kitfox III wings. Skystar never
> had those wing tanks since the airfoil on Model III
> and back is different from Model IV. Best wishes for
> your project!
>
> Jose
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Herbert,
I used fishing line. It was some of the ultra strong but fine type. It
was quick and easy.
Tom Jones
Hm Doud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
>
>I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. gas tank
with a 13 gal tank????
>
>I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I have.
The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, before I
bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing yet, as I wonder
how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round front and rear spars.
The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, when the plane was built,
seems to be pretty strong.
>
>Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it?
>
>Herbert Doud
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Strut Attach PointUpper Strut Attach Point |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
"Flyer" sez:
>I agree Guy. That's why I use 5G. 6G is ultimate (the struts broke
>at that value) and I don't want to experience ultimate loading!
I don't know whose struts broke at 6g, but when I bought my original
Model IV kit the promotion material Denney had at the time showed
photographs of destructive wing testing they performed in house: the
wing, lift struts and associated fuselage attach points survived 14g
(simulated with sandbags) without failing.
I also had the opportunity to study the effects of my crash landing
on the structure--none of the welded or bolted points on the wings,
struts, or fuselage failed in what was estimated by the rescuers to
be a 20g impact.
I have no concerns about the strength of the Kitfox airframe.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: parts needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Gentlemen,
As far as parts you are in better shape than many that own classic aircraft
where there are no factory parts available, nor very many to use for patterns!
Among your group you have the knowledge, ability, and numbers to have someone
who would make perhaps every part on the plane at a price not to much higher
than SkyStar should they not find a buyer willing to start it up again. I own
a Funk, and we are fortunate in having a good owners association and a man
who has all parts available ~ the company went out of business in '48.
No more talk of hanging it from ceiling ~ Airplanes are to fly, so fly them
and fix when needed. You have a great product ~~ enjoy it and fly it!
Elbie Mendenhall
Now handling GRS (Galaxy Ballistic Parachutes) and Woodcomp Propellers
(ground adjustable & in-flight adjustable, electronic & manual and aircraft our
importer sells, Sting Sport LSA and other aircraft in near future.
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know,
If not let me know!
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie WA 98606
360-260-0772
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <JohnBanes@Adelphia.net>
Hello Mike,
Without a doubt that's the best news I've heard in quite awhile.
Congratulations!
John Banes
Kitfox S6
N854JB
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| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
a momentous occasion for sure....
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
a momentous occasion for sure....
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MICHAELGIBBS@COX.NET>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G. <B
R> N728KF
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Congratulations!
Maxwell Duke
Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Wow Michael!
That is great news. And you are to be congratulated on getting back on that
horse and having the guts and drive to work so hard towards that goal. Good
luck to you.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Banes
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <JohnBanes@Adelphia.net>
Hello Mike,
Without a doubt that's the best news I've heard in quite awhile.
Congratulations!
John Banes
Kitfox S6
N854JB
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| Subject: | A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Mike, that's wonderful! Congratulations, and I hope you find your winged
horse soon!
best, Cory
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | A Little Good News |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Congratulations Michael.....good hear you getting back in the saddle.
>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:33:51 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
>little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
>accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
>recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
>It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
>physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
>issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
>and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
>that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
>Thanks for your indulgence,
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michael:
These are good news! I'm happy for you. Hope you can
find "a new horse" soon. Will you be looking for
another Kitfox?
Jose
--- Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you
> won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14
> months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and
> I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial
> injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated)
> and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the
> local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need
> a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once
> again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Mike, you're an absolute inspiration. Lyle
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On 10 20, 05, at 12:02 PM, W Duke wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Maxwell Duke
>
> Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Way to Go Mike !!!!.. come on up we'll take out our trusty steed and go
flying..... We could even take care of the flight review !!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the report Michel - definitely good news, and it was good to talk
to you a couple of weeks ago.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> issued a class III medical certificate!
I am very glad for you, Mike. Thank you also for sharing a believe that the
Kitfox is a strong aircraft. Because, up there, it's our only companion and
mutual trust is necessary.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Congratulation Mike. Wanna buy a Fox?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
>>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:33:51 -0700
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
>>little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
>>accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
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| Subject: | need builders manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
Glen
do you have all the parts ? I will be happy to copy my wing chapter for you
let me know if and what you need
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of glen rowland
Subject: Kitfox-List: need builders manual
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "glen rowland" <grav8@mybluelight.com>
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a
Kitfox 5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the
great people on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this
plane. What I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the
builders manual. if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will
pay for the copies or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near
Indianapolis, IN I would love to talk with you.
Thanks Glen
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a
Kitfox 5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the
great people on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this
plane. What I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the
builders manual. if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will
pay for the copies or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near
Indianapolis, IN I would love to talk with you.
Thanks Glen
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Don:
Do you have one for sale?
Jose
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe"
> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Congratulation Mike. Wanna buy a Fox?
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:33:51 -0700
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you
> won't mind a
> >>little bit of good personal news. It's been 14
> months since the
> >>accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and
> I've spent the time
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Check out this story on EAA website: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/051018_skystar.html
David Dawe <davedawe@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe"
didn't see Rotax on the list?????????
Smart, hey?
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer"
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:41:24 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
>
>Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob
>U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "daniel johnson"
>To:
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
>
> >
> > In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
>another
> > site...
> > http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> > Hope it helps, Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: Marco Menezes
> > .>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
> > .>
> > >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
>bankruptcy
> > >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> > >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> > >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
>are
> > >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> > >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
>out
> > >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall wrote:
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> > >
> > >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just
>an
> > >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out
>of
> > >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> > >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I
>was
> > >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file
>claims
> > >with the BK court get paid first.
> > >
> > >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
>claim,
> > >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of
>Skystar
> > >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to
>think
> > >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> > >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> > >
> > >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write
>it
> > >off as a bad debt.
> > >
> > >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
>the
> > >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
> > >
> > >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> > >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was
>about
>60
> > >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a
>letter
> > >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
>someone
> > >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
>box
> > >anytime soon...
> > >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> > >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
>does
> > >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
>Idaho
> > >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> > >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> > >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight
>is
> > >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> > >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I
>would
> > >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> > >
> > >
> > >Marco Menezes
> > >Model 2 582 N99KX
> > >
> > >---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Michael,
Great to hear the encouraging spirit in your message!!! Hope you have
continued success in your recovery and return to flying!!
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Thats great news, Mike! Welcome back to the blue skies.
Ron
do not archive
> Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I've been hesitant to say but, it is very likely that I might. Since
retirement (two years now) my interest seemed to have shifted and I just
don't have the time to get to the airport.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> Don:
>
> Do you have one for sale?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Mike
There's probably a few hundred people on this list grinning ear to ear after
reading you note. Good news indeed.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Received the below from another party. Don't know the origin.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> KITFOX MANUFACTURER SKYSTAR FILES FOR BANKRUPTCY
> Kitfox aircraft kit manufacturer Skystar Aircraft Corp. has filed for
> bankruptcy under Chapter 7, EAA reported on Tuesday. According to
> documents obtained by EAA, the filing took place on Friday, Oct. 14, in
> Idaho. Those documents show the company's claimed assets totaled about
> $1.1 million, with liabilities of nearly $1.7 million. Skystar President
> Frank Miller could not be reached, but the company's bankruptcy attorney,
> David Kras, told EAA that plans are to liquidate company assets and pay
> off the creditors. Individuals who paid Skystar for kits or parts that
> were never delivered may be entitled to file a priority claim, which could
> give them a better chance to recover at least some portion of their
> payment, EAA said. More...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Way to go . Get er done and go fly.
Fly safe fly low fly slow and enjoy life.
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
You the Man Mike. That is good news.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Mike
There's probably a few hundred people on this list grinning ear to ear after
reading you note. Good news indeed.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Don, I think that snippet of an article came from Avweb.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: KITFOX
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Received the below from another party. Don't know the origin.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> KITFOX MANUFACTURER SKYSTAR FILES FOR BANKRUPTCY
> Kitfox aircraft kit manufacturer Skystar Aircraft Corp. has filed for
> bankruptcy under Chapter 7, EAA reported on Tuesday. According to
> documents obtained by EAA, the filing took place on Friday, Oct. 14, in
> Idaho. Those documents show the company's claimed assets totaled about
> $1.1 million, with liabilities of nearly $1.7 million. Skystar President
> Frank Miller could not be reached, but the company's bankruptcy attorney,
> David Kras, told EAA that plans are to liquidate company assets and pay
> off the creditors. Individuals who paid Skystar for kits or parts that
> were never delivered may be entitled to file a priority claim, which could
> give them a better chance to recover at least some portion of their
> payment, EAA said. More...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
Tom Jones
Don Smythe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>I've been hesitant to say but, it is very likely that I might. Since
>retirement (two years now) my interest seemed to have shifted and I just
>don't have the time to get to the airport.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
>
>>Don:
>>
>>Do you have one for sale?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Congratulations, Mike! As you've seen we're all glad
to hear that you'll be back in the air with us.
Fred
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you
> won't mind a
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Mike,
This is just the kind of news we need to hear more of. How is work
progressing on your latest mount? Keep us informed.
Roger Mac
N619RM (ready for inspection)
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
Thanks for your indulgence,
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Strut Attach PointUpper Strut |
Attach Point
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> Attach Point
At 09:06 AM 10/20/2005, you wrote:
>the
>wing, lift struts and associated fuselage attach points survived 14g
>(simulated with sandbags) without failing.
I wish I had that structure. It's certain the structure I have would go no
where near 14g. I wonder of some "cost-cutting" was done, since the high
strength materials are far more expensive. It's also possible a
substitution was made by someone who knew no better, and was provided with
inadequate documentation and instruction. Would anyone else be interested
in looking at the markings on their upper strut end spherical bearings and
replying with what they find?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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