---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/21/05: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Colin Durey) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: 13 gal tank (kitfoxjunky) 3. 05:44 AM - Re: A Little Good News (kitfoxjunky) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: A Little Good News (Don Smythe) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: Need Series 5 cowling (Bruce Harrison) 6. 09:19 AM - Re: 13 gal tank (Paul Seehafer) 7. 09:27 AM - Future engine choice? (Rex Hefferan) 8. 09:39 AM - Where will we get parts in the future? (Paul Seehafer) 9. 09:46 AM - Parts? Eurofox is an Avid, not a Kitfox (Paul Seehafer) 10. 10:11 AM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 11. 10:21 AM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (jdmcbean) 12. 10:48 AM - Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 13. 11:20 AM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (Alan & Linda Daniels) 14. 11:23 AM - Re: Need Series 5 cowling (Ron Liebmann) 15. 11:57 AM - Re: 13 gal tank (daniel johnson) 16. 12:15 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Blackwell, Rodney) 17. 12:45 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Jeffrey Puls) 18. 12:56 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Jim Gilliatt) 19. 12:58 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Don Pearsall) 20. 01:00 PM - Re: Future engine choice? (Randy Daughenbaugh) 21. 01:01 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (daniel johnson) 22. 01:49 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 23. 02:11 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 24. 02:21 PM - Grant Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Harris, Robert) 25. 02:29 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (daniel johnson) 26. 03:34 PM - Promotional Videos (Dee Young) 27. 03:55 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Brett Walmsley) 28. 05:09 PM - skystar demise (tony fiacco) 29. 05:19 PM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (Lowell Fitt) 30. 05:25 PM - Re: NOw have new plane (QSS) 31. 05:28 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Lowell Fitt) 32. 06:19 PM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (Alan & Linda Daniels) 33. 06:30 PM - Re: Where will we get parts in the future? (jdmcbean) 34. 06:47 PM - Re: Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 35. 07:04 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Kfyellowbird@cs.com) 36. 07:56 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 37. 08:01 PM - Re: Promotional Videos (Dee Young) 38. 08:02 PM - Looking for Michael Meyers (Zimmermans) 39. 08:09 PM - aero-news (Alan & Linda Daniels) 40. 08:14 PM - Re: Promotional Videos (daniel johnson) 41. 08:37 PM - Re: NOw have new plane (Colin Durey) 42. 09:16 PM - Tail light (ron schick) 43. 09:55 PM - Re: Tail light (John Perry) 44. 09:55 PM - Re: Tail light (Don Pearsall) 45. 09:57 PM - Re: Tail light (John Perry) 46. 10:41 PM - Re: Tail light (jdmcbean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News From: "Colin Durey" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" Good news Mike! Glad to hear you've still got the desire to aviate. Colin Durey Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs > > Hi all, > > In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a > little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the > accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time > recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries. > > It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of > physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was > issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review > and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's > that horse, I'm ready to get back on it! > > Thanks for your indulgence, > > Mike G. > N728KF > > Do not archive. > > Regards Colin Durey Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd +61-418-677073 (M) +61-2-945466162 (F) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:58 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank Serialize complete at 10/21/2005 08:41:00 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky I have been contemplating the same upgrade. My plane has standard 6 gal tanks. On floats, heading into the bush, I only have realistically one hour of penetration before fuel is an issue, unless I carry jerry cans in the floats. I would love to replace one or both of my wing tanks. If you can keep me abreast of how you make out, and perhaps snap a digital photo now and again I would really appreciate it. Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. gas tank with a 13 gal tank???? I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I have. The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, before I bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing yet, as I wonder how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round front and rear spars. The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, when the plane was built, seems to be pretty strong. Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it? Herbert Doud ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:06 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News Serialize complete at 10/21/2005 08:43:04 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Excellent. Flying is great therepy. I bet your healing rate goes through the roof once you are back in the air. Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:24 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Tom, There is something about tearing a perfectly good Kitfox apart that doesn't quite agree with me. On the other hand, it would probably bring in more bucks in the long run. Do Not Archive Don Smythe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones > > It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part. > Tom Jones ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:07 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" Do you still have the round cowl available? Would it fit a III? We might be able to work something out as I have the molds for the Cessna style cowl. A friend and I are trying to learn the process of gel coating and producing cowls with these molds. Still too early to know if we will be successful. >From: rliebmann@comcast.net >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling >Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:02 +0000 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: rliebmann@comcast.net > >Hi Listers, > >Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the >one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style. > >I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale >too. > >Thanks, Ron N55KF > > >Hi Listers, > >Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the >one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style. > >I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale >too. > >Thanks, Ron N55KF > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:12 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" Gary, I think it is Murle Williams that sells a larger header tank that fits behind the seat, but yet not affecting the baggage area because it fits tight against the seatback. Another option? I once saw someone that made a removable long range tank that went behind the seat below the turtledeck area for their Avid. Some people say they don't want fuel in the fuselage with them, but think about where it is in relationship to your head now (with wing tanks). If it were me I'd consider building or buying a rear fuselage auxiliary tank or larger header tank before I started tearing my wings apart. That could be a very large project. Just my two cents worth... Paul Seehafer ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxjunky" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > I have been contemplating the same upgrade. My plane has standard 6 gal > tanks. On floats, heading into the bush, I only have realistically one > hour of penetration before fuel is an issue, unless I carry jerry cans in > the floats. I would love to replace one or both of my wing tanks. If you > can keep me abreast of how you make out, and perhaps snap a digital photo > now and again I would really appreciate it. > > Gary Walsh > KF IV Anphib 912S > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > do not archive > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" > > I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. > gas tank with a 13 gal tank???? > > I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I > have. The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, > before I bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing > yet, as I wonder how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round > front and rear spars. The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, > when the plane was built, seems to be pretty strong. > > Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it? > > Herbert Doud > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:44 AM PST US From: Rex Hefferan Subject: Kitfox-List: Future engine choice? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan November 27, 2004 A white paper on a revolutionary new approach to engine design has been released at the Global Powertrain Conference (GPC) in Dearborn, Michigan, USA. Quasiturbine technology uses photo-detonation for low-power-efficiency and requires low octane, additive-free gasoline or diesel fuel. It is also multi-fuel compatible (including direct hydrogen combustion) and offers a drastic reduction in existing propulsion system weight, size, maintenance and costs. Utilised within the internal combustion engine, the photo-detonation process could save half the gasoline now consumed by vehicles and provide substantial environmental benefits. The Quasiturbine looks at first like a rotary engine with a deformable rotor made of four identical blades, but because it has no crankshaft and does not follow sinusoidal motion, it has properties far different from the piston and the Wankel rotary piston engine. The Quasiturbine engine has been developed to simultaneously optimize the 14 most important engine parameters, including compatibility with the revolutionary photo-detonation mode (knocking), which the piston engine cannot effectively tolerate. When taken together, these improvements increase fuel efficiency while simultaneously reducing exhaust emissions. Inspired by the turbine, it perfects the piston, and improves on the Wankel. For more information visit following websites, http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/ http://www.gizmag.com/go/3501/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:01 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" ----- Original Message ----- > > It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part. > Tom Jones Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better. I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk, Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc) Paul Seehafer (Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago) --- In avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote: >> >> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer. >> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings) >> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons >> etc..) >> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered >> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a >> builder to afford! >> >> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to >> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on >> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down.. >> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts) >> >> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its >> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays >> prices... >> >> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there--- >> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket >> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually >> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis >> but we persevere and try to help every one out there. >> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game.. >> >> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail... >> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as >> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly >> different---longer / wider--- >> >> So in a Nutshell. >> >> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It--- >> >> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page? >> >> Regards, >> Steve at Airdale.... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:44 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts? Eurofox is an Avid, not a Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but a Eurofox is nothing much more than a Avid Model C with a modified Riblett wing that utilizes metal rather than wood. So while the structure is similar to a Kitfox in concept, it is much closer to an Avid than anything, and consequently I doubt few parts would interchange with a Kitfox. Incidentally, even the american distributor admits that the Eurofox is based on an Avid, not a Kitfox... Paul Seehafer (original message) > This makes me happy. I had forgotten about the Eurofox. Hopefully it's > close enough to supply ground-loop parts. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:04 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net following up on Paul's comment, (John step in here) but Skystar did not appear to do much actual fabrication beyond the weldments. And I doubt than many of us (you) are missing weldments, perhaps with the exception of motor mounts. There exists a cadre of suppliers to Skystar with the capability of producing the components that are missing out in the garages of the list members. What is needed is someone to pull from those suppliers in committment to deliver...... John McBean is a prime candidate to pull it all together.. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part. > > Tom Jones > > Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives > their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum > right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better. > I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the > same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced > people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open > up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are > no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just > the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk, > Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc) > > Paul Seehafer > > > (Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago) > > --- In avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote: > >> > >> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer. > >> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings) > >> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons > >> etc..) > >> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered > >> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a > >> builder to afford! > >> > >> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to > >> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on > >> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down.. > >> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts) > >> > >> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its > >> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays > >> prices... > >> > >> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there--- > >> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket > >> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually > >> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis > >> but we persevere and try to help every one out there. > >> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game.. > >> > >> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail... > >> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as > >> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly > >> different---longer / wider--- > >> > >> So in a Nutshell. > >> > >> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It--- > >> > >> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Steve at Airdale.... > > > > > > following up on Paul's comment, (John step in here) but Skystar did not appear to do much actual fabrication beyond the weldments. And I doubt than many of us (you) are missing weldments, perhaps with the exception of motor mounts. There exists a cadre of suppliers to Skystar with the capability of producing the components that are missing out in the garages of the list members. What is needed is someone to pull from those suppliers in committment to deliver...... John McBean is a prime candidate to pull it all together.. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" ----- Original Message ----- It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part. Tom Jones Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better. I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are no longer supported b y their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk, Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc) Paul Seehafer (Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago) --- In avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote: Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer. (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings) All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons etc..) BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a builder to afford! Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT econo mical to have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down.. (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts) Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays prices... One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there--- Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually from an original we then work on a time and materials basis but we persevere and try to help every one out there. We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game. . We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail... this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly different---longer / wider--- So in a Nutshell. If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It--- Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page? Regards, Steve at Airdale.... , ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:17 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the same as Airdale did for Avid. We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side (not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather parts to support the Kitfox family. As most of you know Debra and I both worked at SkyStar until 2 years ago when we started Sport Plane LLC. We are going to do our best to continue the support. If you are in need, or are looking for something give us a shout. I know Steve at Airdale and have worked with him in the past... Unfortunately our web is not 100% current so if you do not see it there give us a call or email. We are established with several vendors and can get most parts from wheels and brakes to gas cap fairings. I have been on the list personally to help whenever I can... I'm not going anywhere.. Need parts ? Let us know if can help. We may not be able to help right away but given a little time and support we can get there. www.sportplanellc.com John McBean -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer Subject: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" ----- Original Message ----- > > It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part. > Tom Jones Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better. I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk, Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc) Paul Seehafer (Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago) --- In avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote: >> >> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer. >> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings) >> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons >> etc..) >> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered >> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a >> builder to afford! >> >> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to >> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on >> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down.. >> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts) >> >> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its >> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays >> prices... >> >> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there--- >> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket >> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually >> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis >> but we persevere and try to help every one out there. >> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game.. >> >> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail... >> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as >> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly >> different---longer / wider--- >> >> So in a Nutshell. >> >> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It--- >> >> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page? >> >> Regards, >> Steve at Airdale.... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:12 AM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello All, About a year ago, I completed a video project putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is there anyone on here that is interested in viewing them? Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:54 AM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels I agree with John. He can get you almost anything you need. Skystar did not make most of its stuff in house, and what they did from what I understand was on jigs that were leased from the previous owner. While this has been hard on those of us that have lost money and struggled with this for some time, it does give some closure and allows us to move on. The suspense is over and now someone will undoubtedly pick up the pieces and make it better than it has been for years. The Fox is still the best plane of its type out there and I am sure it will live on. The real pain is for those that paid for kits and did not get them. If you paid for a kit recently and did not get it you might consider contacting the postal inspector. It is not who you would expect to investigate this type of thing but they are the best at this type of thing. They have unlimited budgets to call witnesses and investigate over the entire county, and e-mail, checks, letters, contracts, advertising and the like fall under mail fraud. A friend and I bought an aircraft engine from a company that did not have what it said it had. I pursued it with the postal inspectors and the head of that company got 54 months in federal prison. While I am sure that the principals in Skystar are suffering a lot, and have lost everything they own, that is still no excuse for taking money for items they know they can not deliver. If that is in fact the case they need to go to jail. Alan jdmcbean wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > >Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts >much the same as Airdale did for Avid. > >We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side >(not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:09 AM PST US From: "Ron Liebmann" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" Hi Bruce, The Series 5 cowling is too big for the III. I have found 2 Series 5 "Lycombing" style cowls from "listers" so I will probably buy one of them. I think its great that you have the molds for the cowling. I think that they will bring you $$$ in the fuure allowing you to make and sell them. I'll follow your progress if you let the list know when you start making them. Take care, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" > > > Do you still have the round cowl available? Would it fit a III? > > We might be able to work something out as I have the molds for the Cessna > style cowl. A friend and I are trying to learn the process of gel coating > and producing cowls with these molds. Still too early to know if we will > be > successful. > > >>From: rliebmann@comcast.net >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling >>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:02 +0000 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: rliebmann@comcast.net >> >>Hi Listers, >> >>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the >>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style. >> >>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for >>sale >>too. >> >>Thanks, Ron N55KF >> >> >>Hi Listers, >> >>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the >>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style. >> >>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for >>sale >>too. >> >>Thanks, Ron N55KF >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:29 AM PST US From: "daniel johnson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" About fuel..it might not work on a floatplane with rigging...but could you seal up a bag pod and use it as a tank? you'd need a transfer pump...but it might be kind of a neat option. Just a thought..dan. >From: "Paul Seehafer" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:17:03 -0500 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > >Gary, > >I think it is Murle Williams that sells a larger header tank that fits >behind the seat, but yet not affecting the baggage area because it fits >tight against the seatback. Another option? I once saw someone that made >a >removable long range tank that went behind the seat below the turtledeck >area for their Avid. Some people say they don't want fuel in the fuselage >with them, but think about where it is in relationship to your head now >(with wing tanks). > >If it were me I'd consider building or buying a rear fuselage auxiliary >tank >or larger header tank before I started tearing my wings apart. That could >be a very large project. > >Just my two cents worth... > >Paul Seehafer > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kitfoxjunky" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 13 gal tank > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > > > > I have been contemplating the same upgrade. My plane has standard 6 gal > > tanks. On floats, heading into the bush, I only have realistically one > > hour of penetration before fuel is an issue, unless I carry jerry cans >in > > the floats. I would love to replace one or both of my wing tanks. If >you > > can keep me abreast of how you make out, and perhaps snap a digital >photo > > now and again I would really appreciate it. > > > > Gary Walsh > > KF IV Anphib 912S > > C-GOOT > > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > > > do not archive > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" > > > > I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. > > gas tank with a 13 gal tank???? > > > > I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that >I > > have. The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal >tank, > > before I bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing > > yet, as I wonder how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the >round > > front and rear spars. The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, > > when the plane was built, seems to be pretty strong. > > > > Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it? > > > > Herbert Doud > > > > > > > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos From: "Blackwell, Rodney" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Blackwell, Rodney" Grant, I would be interested. I loaned out the two VHS tapes out many times and ended up losing them, because I couldn't remember who I loaned them too. The one with the speedster doing acrobatics is the one I miss the most. Thanks, RB Model III 582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello All, About a year ago, I completed a video project putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is there anyone on here that is interested in viewing them? Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:32 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" Grant, Count me in. Jeff Classic IV. Ohio > [Original Message] > From: Grant Fluent > To: > Date: 10/21/2005 1:47:31 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > them? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:55 PM PST US From: Jim Gilliatt Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt Grant Fluent wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > >Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project >putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I >could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were >sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to >distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. >With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally >send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is >there anyone on here that is interested in viewing >them? >Thanks, >Grant Fluent >Newcastle, NE >Classic IV 912S > > > > Grant, Count me in also. Jim Gilliatt West Greenwich, RI Series 7 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:46 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Grant, I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the material was copyrighted, but reality should intrude here. There is no one left to tell you that you can't distribute it. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello All, About a year ago, I completed a video project putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is there anyone on here that is interested in viewing them? Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:18 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Future engine choice? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Rex, Thanks for pointing this out. It does look like it would be great for airplanes. I suspect that there is 8 - 10 years of development until it is available though. I am surprised that I hadn't heard of it before. Another link with a useful explanation: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine3.htm Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hefferan Subject: Kitfox-List: Future engine choice? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan November 27, 2004 A white paper on a revolutionary new approach to engine design has been released at the Global Powertrain Conference (GPC) in Dearborn, Michigan, USA. Quasiturbine technology uses photo-detonation for low-power-efficiency and requires low octane, additive-free gasoline or diesel fuel. It is also multi-fuel compatible (including direct hydrogen combustion) and offers a drastic reduction in existing propulsion system weight, size, maintenance and costs. Utilised within the internal combustion engine, the photo-detonation process could save half the gasoline now consumed by vehicles and provide substantial environmental benefits. The Quasiturbine looks at first like a rotary engine with a deformable rotor made of four identical blades, but because it has no crankshaft and does not follow sinusoidal motion, it has properties far different from the piston and the Wankel rotary piston engine. The Quasiturbine engine has been developed to simultaneously optimize the 14 most important engine parameters, including compatibility with the revolutionary photo-detonation mode (knocking), which the piston engine cannot effectively tolerate. When taken together, these improvements increase fuel efficiency while simultaneously reducing exhaust emissions. Inspired by the turbine, it perfects the piston, and improves on the Wankel. For more information visit following websites, http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/ http://www.gizmag.com/go/3501/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:22 PM PST US From: "daniel johnson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" Put me in as a yes. Dan Johnson..Ohio >From: "Jeffrey Puls" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:45:17 -0400 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > >Grant, >Count me in. Jeff Classic IV. Ohio > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Grant Fluent > > To: > > Date: 10/21/2005 1:47:31 PM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > > > Hello All, > > About a year ago, I completed a video project > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > > them? > > Thanks, > > Grant Fluent > > Newcastle, NE > > Classic IV 912S > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:28 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Don, That is the same thing I was thinking. I wouldn't think anyone would be upset because someone is helping to promote their product - or at least now helping it maintain popularity... Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Don Pearsall wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > Grant, > I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the > material was copyrighted, > but reality should intrude here. There is no one > left to tell you that you > can't distribute it. > > Don Pearsall > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Grant Fluent > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > > Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never > responded. > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > them? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:07 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello All, There appears to be some interest in seeing the promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's. For anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out for $5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my time, and wear & tear on my dvd burner. If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to the next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it will cost over a $1 for postage and your time to package it and mail it to the next person. Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy the dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the next person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names in the order that they were received. For the 8 people that have already expressed interest, let me know what you'd like to do. Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Grant Fluent wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > > Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never > responded. > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > them? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:31 PM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Grant RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hi Grant, I would love a copy of the Kitfox promotional videos and will pay you for your time, shipping and materials. Please mail them to the address below with the amount I owe you. P.S. I've watched the 2002 Alaska video many times and love it. Robert Harris 122 Escondido Ave, Suite 201 Vista, CA 92084 760-415-1891 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:03 PM PST US From: "daniel johnson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" Hi Grant..i'd love to have a copy to keep. I'll send a check ..whats your address? Dan Johnson..and thanks for doing this. Dan Johnson 1395 Dillingham Court Columbus Ohio 43228 >From: Grant Fluent >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > >Hello All, > There appears to be some interest in seeing the >promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's. For >anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out for >$5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my time, >and wear & tear on my dvd burner. > If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to the >next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it will >cost over a $1 for postage and your time to package it >and mail it to the next person. > Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy the >dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the next >person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names in >the order that they were received. For the 8 people >that have already expressed interest, let me know what >you'd like to do. >Thanks, >Grant Fluent >Newcastle, NE >Classic IV 912S > > >--- Grant Fluent wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > > > > > Hello All, > > About a year ago, I completed a video project > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never > > responded. > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > > them? > > Thanks, > > Grant Fluent > > Newcastle, NE > > Classic IV 912S > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:54 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Grant do you have a copy of the promotional tape for the model ll? Dee Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:20 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" I am... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Fluent" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > them? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:06 PM PST US From: tony fiacco Subject: Kitfox-List: skystar demise --> Kitfox-List message posted by: tony fiacco hello my name is tony fiacco i live in new york. i just received my notice of chapter 7 bankrupcy from skystar, ive been battling, along with others for two years awaiting over 4,000 worth of parts. i am reaching out via this forum to see what i should do at this point, i apoligize, im a new member and its obvious by one days postings that there already has been discussion on this. can anyone answer my question? i would appreciate it. i called the bankrupcy trustee and she told me i was not alone by far, how many people are involved in this and how much money are we talking? what are the chances of getting any part of the 4,000 worth of parts that were never shipped to me? or will they pay the suppliers mortgage holders first? should i go to the meeting of creditors that is being held soon? any information would be appreciated. thank-you tony fiacco wanna be kitfox builder --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:01 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear (sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs, fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually become available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be patient. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels > > > I agree with John. He can get you almost anything you need. Skystar did > not make most of its stuff in house, and what they did from what I > understand was on jigs that were leased from the previous owner. While > this has been hard on those of us that have lost money and struggled > with this for some time, it does give some closure and allows us to move > on. The suspense is over and now someone will undoubtedly pick up the > pieces and make it better than it has been for years. The Fox is still > the best plane of its type out there and I am sure it will live on. > > The real pain is for those that paid for kits and did not get them. If > you paid for a kit recently and did not get it you might consider > contacting the postal inspector. It is not who you would expect to > investigate this type of thing but they are the best at this type of > thing. They have unlimited budgets to call witnesses and investigate > over the entire county, and e-mail, checks, letters, contracts, > advertising and the like fall under mail fraud. A friend and I bought > an aircraft engine from a company that did not have what it said it had. > I pursued it with the postal inspectors and the head of that company got > 54 months in federal prison. While I am sure that the principals in > Skystar are suffering a lot, and have lost everything they own, that is > still no excuse for taking money for items they know they can not > deliver. If that is in fact the case they need to go to jail. > > Alan > > jdmcbean wrote: > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" >> >>Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts >>much the same as Airdale did for Avid. >> >>We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side >>(not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:24 PM PST US From: "QSS" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NOw have new plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" Hi Colin, I was 20 miles short of Maryborough when I had to divert to Gympy due to weather. It was a pretty ordinary weekend weather wise but finally got through to Yeppoon on Sunday. Look after those fingers, you only have another 9. The plane I have purchased is currently being deregistered from VH and I will slot it into the 19 category with the RAA. My current fox is already in that category and I finds its easy to maintain it as no special requirements are needed to do the work. That's a good move installing an electric trim. My old plane doesnt have one and you do have to fly it all the time. OK if you want a bit of nose done because you can put on a touch of flapperon to off set the nose high attitude but if its the other way as mine is you are hands on the whole time. The new plane does have electric trim fitted and I found it brilliant in comparison. Have you decided on an engine yet?. I have flown 3 foxes now and all had different engines but all performed well depending on how far you where going and how much room you needed for landings. My Model 1 has a 582 which is amazing in climb and short field performance due to the power weight ratio but the new 1V with the NSI is great for cross country but needs a bit more room due to weight.. They are a wonderful little plane and very forgiving both in flight and on the ground. All the best with the build, its certainly a big job. Regards Graeme Toft Queensland Safety Solutions Ph: 07 49397011 Mob: 0411476527 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Durey Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NOw have new plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" Rex, Congrats on the new plane!! I was in Maryborough last weekend, and came through Brisbane on my way home, on Monday evening, so "missed you by that much". I'm still progressing with the kit, but have to take it a bit easy at the moment... I was using a straight-edge and a Stanely Knife to trim some plywood and slightly trimmed the end of my left index finger... ouch! I have decided to the fully streamline the empennage and install an electric elevator trim, so have spent a fair amount of time designing the rib templates and the trim mechanism. When my finger permits, I'll be back into it again. You mention registration change. What are you converting it to.. AUF or GA? Deeply envious of your closeness to flight. I'm still some months away. Cheers Colin Durey Sydney. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" > > Hi Guys, last weekend I flew to Brisbane and took delivery of my new NSI > powered KF1V 1200. Had an interesting trip home with the weather gods > throwing rain, strong winds and threat of thunder storms at us for the 4 > hour trip. Its now time for me and my new mount to become acquainted with > each other so while Im waiting for the registration to come through, Im > going over every inch of her to learn what makes her tick. It definitely > has potential to become a love affair. > > Cheers and thanks to all again. > Do not archive > Graeme Toft > > Regards Colin Durey Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd +61-418-677073 (M) +61-2-945466162 (F) -- 19/10/2005 -- 19/10/2005 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:08 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" I might respectfully disagree here. The copywrite is owned by Skystar and I suspect would be considered an asset to be handled by the bankruptcy judge to hopefully compensate claimants. We have guys on the list that will lose sizeable investments due to the bankruptcy, maybe one of them should be first in line for this potentially valuable asset. I was at the factory on the day bankruptcy was filed as well as the day after, I could have wandered through the place with sticky fingers and no one would have been the wiser. My biggest concern is for the guys waiting in line for the crumbs. I hope some do in fact filter down. :Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > Grant, > I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the material was > copyrighted, > but reality should intrude here. There is no one left to tell you that you > can't distribute it. > > Don Pearsall > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > Hello All, > About a year ago, I completed a video project > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded. > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > them? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:43 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels Its nice to be back and hear from you Lowell. My point is that if you prang a gear Grove can still supply them, if you need a cowl, fuel tank, windshield, or most other parts John can have one made by the original supplier for you. They were bringing everything in house because nobody would sell to them anymore IMHO. Almost nobody has those items that they built themselves. The only part that I see that is a problem is the flaperons which are sort of special, made on jigs in-house. I may be wrong on the lease of the fabrication jigs, but my understanding is that Phil has or will have control of them, and the only way they have value is if someone is using them. Phil Reed has a lot in this and he is no dummy by a long shot. As I said the pain is with those that did not get what they paid for. Our group is still out something like 3 engines. Alan Lowell Fitt wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of >bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear >(sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to >being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs, >fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by >Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they >outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and >hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was >made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually become >available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a >number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be >patient. > >Lowell > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:48 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" We are also a Grove distributor.... Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels Its nice to be back and hear from you Lowell. My point is that if you prang a gear Grove can still supply them, if you need a cowl, fuel tank, windshield, or most other parts John can have one made by the original supplier for you. They were bringing everything in house because nobody would sell to them anymore IMHO. Almost nobody has those items that they built themselves. The only part that I see that is a problem is the flaperons which are sort of special, made on jigs in-house. I may be wrong on the lease of the fabrication jigs, but my understanding is that Phil has or will have control of them, and the only way they have value is if someone is using them. Phil Reed has a lot in this and he is no dummy by a long shot. As I said the pain is with those that did not get what they paid for. Our group is still out something like 3 engines. Alan Lowell Fitt wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of >bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear >(sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to >being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs, >fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by >Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they >outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and >hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was >made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually become >available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a >number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be >patient. > >Lowell > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:49 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello Dee, The earliest video that I have doesn't specifically mention a model number. I do have the spec sheet that came with the video and it says 950lb gross weight and cabin width increased to 39 1/2" wide. The available engines at that time were the Rotax 503, 532LC, and the KFM 4 cylinder. Does that indicate whether it is a model 2 or 3? Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Dee Young wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > Grant do you have a copy of the promotional tape for > the model ll? > > Dee > > Do Not Archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:45 PM PST US From: Kfyellowbird@cs.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kfyellowbird@cs.com Hi Grant, I would love to have a copy of the DVDs. I'm nearing completion of a Lite 2, 912S, with all the options. Lowell Schaper 6530 County Road 26 Minnetrista, MN 55364 763.479.2630 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:34 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Thanks for your input Lowell. You make a very valid point. So far, the response from people wanting to see these videos has been overwhelming. Skystar no longer offered any of these videos when they were in business so I guess I don't see any harm in sending these out to anyone who wants to see them. I am by no means making a profit from this and would just like to help out fellow builders/flyers. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Lowell Fitt wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > I might respectfully disagree here. The copywrite > is owned by Skystar and I > suspect would be considered an asset to be handled > by the bankruptcy judge > to hopefully compensate claimants. We have guys on > the list that will lose > sizeable investments due to the bankruptcy, maybe > one of them should be > first in line for this potentially valuable asset. > I was at the factory on > the day bankruptcy was filed as well as the day > after, I could have > wandered through the place with sticky fingers and > no one would have been > the wiser. My biggest concern is for the guys > waiting in line for the > crumbs. I hope some do in fact filter down. > > :Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Pearsall" > To: > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > > > > Grant, > > I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the > material was > > copyrighted, > > but reality should intrude here. There is no one > left to tell you that you > > can't distribute it. > > > > Don Pearsall > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Grant Fluent > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > > > > > Hello All, > > About a year ago, I completed a video project > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that > I > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs > were > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never > responded. > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I > legally > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is > > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing > > them? > > Thanks, > > Grant Fluent > > Newcastle, NE > > Classic IV 912S > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:08 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Grant Your information is good. The KFM was offered only for the model ll and then for just a short time. I believe there were a total of 8 engines sold in the US. Just for your information the 503, 532, 582 and 912 was also available options for the model ll. I have a tape that demonstrates some of the flying characteristics, take off and landings on short fields. It ends with a flight thru the AG fields at low altitude along about dusk. I didn't want this information lost especially with Kitfox closing its doors and not knowing its future. Sounds as though you have it covered covered pretty well. Thanks for your reply Dee Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Fluent To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent > Hello Dee, The earliest video that I have doesn't specifically mention a model number. I do have the spec sheet that came with the video and it says 950lb gross weight and cabin width increased to 39 1/2" wide. The available engines at that time were the Rotax 503, 532LC, and the KFM 4 cylinder. Does that indicate whether it is a model 2 or 3? Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Dee Young > wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > > Grant do you have a copy of the promotional tape for > the model ll? > > Dee > > Do Not Archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:05 PM PST US From: "Zimmermans" Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for Michael Meyers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" I want to contact Michael Meyers with a question about his Kitfox on Sportflight. His AOL address is no longer good. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim jezim@pro-ns.net ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:16 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Kitfox-List: aero-news --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels Check out www.aero-news.net for more details of Skystar ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:51 PM PST US From: "daniel johnson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" Another good point is that the model 1-3 and 4-1050...at least are outdated and who could care if the people that already own them have a video of them. even if a startup happens..i think the best comment made so far is that reality should play a factor...in other words..a bunch of us would really, really love to have this video...everyone be cool, big smile....dan >From: "Dee Young" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:00:52 -0600 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > >Grant >Your information is good. The KFM was offered only for the model ll and >then for just a short time. I believe there were a total of 8 engines sold >in the US. Just for your information the 503, 532, 582 and 912 was also >available options for the model ll. I have a tape that demonstrates some of >the flying characteristics, take off and landings on short fields. It ends >with a flight thru the AG fields at low altitude along about dusk. I didn't >want this information lost especially with Kitfox closing its doors and not >knowing its future. Sounds as though you have it covered covered pretty >well. Thanks for your reply > >Dee > >Do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Grant Fluent > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Promotional Videos > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent >> > > Hello Dee, > The earliest video that I have doesn't specifically > mention a model number. I do have the spec sheet that > came with the video and it says 950lb gross weight and > cabin width increased to 39 1/2" wide. The available > engines at that time were the Rotax 503, 532LC, and > the KFM 4 cylinder. Does that indicate whether it is a > model 2 or 3? > Thanks, > Grant Fluent > Newcastle, NE > Classic IV 912S > > > --- Dee Young > wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > > > > > Grant do you have a copy of the promotional tape for > > the model ll? > > > > Dee > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NOw have new plane From: "Colin Durey" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" Graeme, I have a 912 (85hp), can't remember if its an S or a UL just off hand. I'll check tonight. It was in the part finished kit we bought. I've looked at quite few suggestions for electric trim, but am not so impressed with many of them. I've designed one that uses a small DC motor and a syncroflex belt. The mechanism fits entirely inside the elevator with just a small flexible cable coming back into the fuselage at the horizointal stab mounting area. I am planning to fit an encoder to the motor so that I can display the trim setting on the instrument panel. I look forward to meeting you some time soon. Regards Colin Durey Pacific Technolgy Corp HK 0418-677073 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" > > Hi Colin, I was 20 miles short of Maryborough when I had to divert to > Gympy due to weather. It was a pretty ordinary weekend weather wise but > finally got through to Yeppoon on Sunday. Look after those fingers, you > only have another 9. The plane I have purchased is currently being > deregistered from VH and I will slot it into the 19 category with the > RAA. My current fox is already in that category and I finds its easy to > maintain it as no special requirements are needed to do the work. That's > a good move installing an electric trim. My old plane doesnt have one > and you do have to fly it all the time. OK if you want a bit of nose > done because you can put on a touch of flapperon to off set the nose > high attitude but if its the other way as mine is you are hands on the > whole time. The new plane does have electric trim fitted and I found it > brilliant in comparison. Have you decided on an engine yet?. I have > flown 3 foxes now and all had different engines but all performed well > depending on how far you where going and how much room you needed for > landings. My Model 1 has a 582 which is amazing in climb and short field > performance due to the power weight ratio but the new 1V with the NSI is > great for cross country but needs a bit more room due to weight.. They > are a wonderful little plane and very forgiving both in flight and on > the ground. All the best with the build, its certainly a big job. > > Regards > Graeme Toft > Queensland Safety Solutions > Ph: 07 49397011 > Mob: 0411476527 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Durey > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NOw have new plane > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" > > Rex, > > Congrats on the new plane!! > > I was in Maryborough last weekend, and came through Brisbane on my way > home, on Monday evening, so "missed you by that much". > > I'm still progressing with the kit, but have to take it a bit easy at > the > moment... I was using a straight-edge and a Stanely Knife to trim some > plywood and slightly trimmed the end of my left index finger... ouch! > > I have decided to the fully streamline the empennage and install an > electric elevator trim, so have spent a fair amount of time designing > the > rib templates and the trim mechanism. When my finger permits, I'll be > back > into it again. > > You mention registration change. What are you converting it to.. AUF or > GA? > > Deeply envious of your closeness to flight. I'm still some months away. > > Cheers > > Colin Durey > Sydney. > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" >> >> Hi Guys, last weekend I flew to Brisbane and took delivery of my new > NSI >> powered KF1V 1200. Had an interesting trip home with the weather gods >> throwing rain, strong winds and threat of thunder storms at us for the > 4 >> hour trip. Its now time for me and my new mount to become acquainted > with >> each other so while Im waiting for the registration to come through, > Im >> going over every inch of her to learn what makes her tick. It > definitely >> has potential to become a love affair. >> >> Cheers and thanks to all again. >> Do not archive >> Graeme Toft >> >> > > > Regards > > Colin Durey > Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd > +61-418-677073 (M) > +61-2-945466162 (F) > > > -- > 19/10/2005 > > > -- > 19/10/2005 > > Regards Colin Durey Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd +61-418-677073 (M) +61-2-945466162 (F) ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:55 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:18 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" Ron all the lights can be incorporated into the one light fixture on the wing tip . Each side has a backwards facing solid on light for the tail position light center strobe on each side then forward facing red and green Port / Starboard lights This is what i have and also a red strobe on top of the fuselage just behind the turtle deck and it passed inspection just fine Take care fly safe fly slow fly low John Perry kitfox 2 N718PD -------Original Message------- From: ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:39 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Ron, the requirement is in part 23.1389. 1 rear white light, red on left, green on right. And the FAR also describes the range each light must cover. Not required unless you are flying from sunset to sunrise. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:50 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" Also landing lights are form Wallmart high intensity offroad mini lights $15 bucks for the pair. Mounted inside the cowl one set for taxi and the other set for landing configuration Works Awsome on the darkest of nights with no moon. John Perry -------Original Message------- From: ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:59 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Ron, Take a look.. frst item on the pg.. http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm front is green (or red), rear is white and the center is strobe.... Meets the position light requirement. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ron schick Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.