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1. 02:48 AM - Re: Storage issues (Gordon Faulkner)
2. 02:48 AM - Re: Mass balances: WAS Altering early wing section (Gordon Faulkner)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: Engine Mounts (Gordon Faulkner)
4. 03:27 AM - SV: Mass balances (Michel Verheughe)
5. 04:20 AM - Re: glass streaks and scratches (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 04:50 AM - Re: Mass balances (Bob Unternaehrer)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Trim (Kerry Skyring)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: Storage issues (mscotter@comcast.net)
9. 05:52 AM - SV: Mass balances (Michel Verheughe)
10. 06:20 AM - Re: Storage issues (Floran Higgins)
11. 06:42 AM - Re: Storage issues (Steve Zakreski)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Storage issues (Upholstery) (Don Pearsall)
13. 07:50 AM - Re: Storage issues (Upholstery) (Rick)
14. 07:58 AM - Re: Storage issues (Upholstery) (jdmcbean)
15. 08:13 AM - Re: glass streaks and scratches (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
16. 09:35 AM - Prop Pitch (John Disher)
17. 10:47 AM - Re: Mass balances (John Stoner)
18. 11:01 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (Don Smythe)
19. 12:54 PM - Re: Storage issues (skyflyte@comcast.net)
20. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Mass balances PLUS Altered early wingsection revisited. (Gordon Faulkner)
21. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Mass balances (Fox5flyer)
22. 01:55 PM - Re: Prop Pitch (John Disher)
23. 01:55 PM - pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. (daniel johnson)
24. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Mass balances (daniel johnson)
25. 02:15 PM - S-7 Cowling (Gary Olson)
26. 03:56 PM - Re: pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. (kirk hull)
27. 05:26 PM - Re: pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. (Jeffrey Puls)
28. 05:27 PM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Jeffrey Puls)
29. 05:56 PM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Bob Unternaehrer)
30. 06:08 PM - Re: S-5 Rudder Pedal Reinforcements (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
31. 06:21 PM - Re: S-7 Cowling (eccles)
32. 06:28 PM - Miscellaneous (Guy Buchanan)
33. 06:37 PM - Re: Mass balances: WAS Altering early wing section (Jerry Liles)
34. 07:29 PM - Re: Miscellaneous (Lowell Fitt)
35. 07:34 PM - Re: Prop Pitch (Clint Bazzill)
36. 07:38 PM - Re: Storage issues (Clint Bazzill)
37. 08:26 PM - Fiberglass hardener (ron schick)
38. 08:35 PM - Series 4 to series 7 cowl (ron schick)
39. 08:51 PM - Re: Fiberglass hardener (randy bortree)
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| Subject: | Re: Storage issues |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances: WAS Altering early wing section |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Thanks for the wing section info Jerry, the concensus opinion on this list
definately is to retain the original Dean Wilson section on my K3 so that's
what I've decided to do. For me speed is much less of an issue than short
field capability, although an extra 10mph on economy cruise would have been
welcome. Obviously with a Vne of 100mph the Kitfox 3 isn't for speed freaks
(for that I have a Suzuki TL1000S).
Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances. My
guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for attaching
to the very light flaperon structure.
Brgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Altering early wing section
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> The early wing section was designed by Dean Wilson for the Avid A
> model. It is not a standard catalogued section. None-the-less it
> performs very well at low speed, better than the MK IV section. If you
> are interested in STOL it is a better profile. If speed is your need
> you need a different airplane. However you can gain a not
> inconsequential increase in speed with careful fairing of the struts and
> roots and landing gear. On a Mod III I'd stick with the original wing
> and enjoy the superior short field performance.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Gordon Faulkner wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner"
>><hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>>Dear Foxfolk,
>>Is there a consensus view regarding the benefits (or otherwise) of
>>infilling
>>the underside of the early wing ribs?
>>
>>I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
>>altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4. Since
>>I'm soon to start making my wings this would be the time to make the
>>change
>>but I'd feel happier about the decision after hearing a few more opinions.
>>Is there anyone on list who's actually made this particular modification?
>>
>>Much of my flying will be from short grass airstrips, my home airfield has
>>300 yards available.
>>
>>Gordon Faulkner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hya Tom,
Not quite sure what parts you mean but I've got a set of 582 engine mounts
for a K3 including an aluminium lower plate, a powdercoated "spider" mount
and some rubbers, I won't be needing these because I'm fitting a 912. If
these parts are any use to you contact me off-list.
Fortunately the previous owner of my kit (who didn't start building it)
bought a set of 912 engine mounts from Skystar before they went under.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas White" <twhitepa@magiclink.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas White <twhitepa@magiclink.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list and am impressed with the support out there. I'm
> one of the unlucky ones that put down a $12,000 deposit on a Classic IV
> and got nothing due to the Bankruptcy. I was discouraged at first, but
> I think the Kitfox is a great plane and decided to buy a completed one
> and am picking up a model II on Friday. My question is, this has the
> old 582 plate mount and I would like to upgrade. I have the mount that
> goes to the firewall, but there are 4 brackets and rubber pieces that
> bolt to the engine and then the mount. Does anyone know where I could
> get these, or get dimensions and fabricate my own?
> Thanks
> Tom White
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
> Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> 918).
Gordon, my model 3 is from 1991 (build #998) and it was finished built in 1993,
not by me, unfortunately, I am the third owner.
It has the mass balances and while it may look heavy in your hand, it feels ok
once installed on the flaperons.
My understanding is that, with them, you can increase your Vne. Incidentally, mine
is, as noted by the builder, 100 MPH. But I believe, with the masses, I can
exceed that without risking fluttering of the flaperon. Please double-check
this, my memory is as unreliable as any advice I may give! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: glass streaks and scratches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I purchased a "scratch removal kit" at OSH and used it on a sidewinder
canopy. I worked good, but was a lot of work to do a perfect job. It took
about 6 hours to do a windshield and canopy. The basic idea is several
grades of sandpaper starting at 1500 grit and going to 3600 (all done wet)
all with velcro back for a random orbital sander, which I purchased from
harbor freight. Then a liquid was used on a buffing pad (furnished in the
kit)followed by an antistatic cream. There is also a hand kit with some of
the same products, only in strips used for hand sanding, which on a complete
windshield would way to much work. When at the hanger i'll get the name
and address for those who contact me off list at shilocom@mcmsys.com Cost
was around $80 US. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Ron,
>
> Does this work to get the "cloudiness" out of the glass too?
>
> ron schick wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
> >winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
> >with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
> >buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
> >first.
> > Ron NB Ore.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> >>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
> >>some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
> >>in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
> >>solution was?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Jared
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
There is more than the ailerons to worry about flutteron, but don't know
what the VNE is rated for on a MOD 3, but can't imagine wanting to go faster
than 100 in a mod 3. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Mass balances
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and
the
> > Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> > 918).
>
> Gordon, my model 3 is from 1991 (build #998) and it was finished built in
1993, not by me, unfortunately, I am the third owner.
> It has the mass balances and while it may look heavy in your hand, it
feels ok once installed on the flaperons.
>
> My understanding is that, with them, you can increase your Vne.
Incidentally, mine is, as noted by the builder, 100 MPH. But I believe, with
the masses, I can exceed that without risking fluttering of the flaperon.
Please double-check this, my memory is as unreliable as any advice I may
give! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Thanks John. Yes that looks like a great idea. We will stick with the cable
and spring system for now. It was just that our inspector didn't like the
lag or delay which you get because of the lack of tension in the spring.
Anyway we're done and the focus is now on the first flight. Kerry.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1069446885,
>works great indeed! JohnA.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar option?
Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
>
>
>
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar option?
Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
&
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bob Unternaehrer [shilocom@mcmsys.com]
> There is more than the ailerons to worry about flutteron, but don't know
> what the VNE is rated for on a MOD 3, but can't imagine wanting to go faster
> than 100 in a mod 3.
Nor do I, Gordon. I was just telling Gordon that the mass balances have something
to do with the fluttering of the flaperons and that it influences the Vne of
the model 3.
This being said, I never saw the point in going fast. With my Jabiru, I fly away
at 80 MPH with only 2,400 RPM, enjoying the scenery and saving fuel. What's
the point in making say another 5 knots in a headwind of 35 knots? :-)
The model 3 with the Jabiru is exactly what I wanted, a simple plane to fly low
and slow and enjoy life! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Storage issues |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I am in the market for a cargo pod for a model 4 speedster. Now that Skystar
is out of business, I was wondering if anyone on the list had one for sale.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided
> against a pod at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only
> option. Has anyone glassed in this area or made shelves or anything
> similar to help out with carrying your gear around. There appears to be
> plenty of room behind the seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how
> you have managed it would be great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have 2 wing lockers. Some people seem to really like them, but for the
little space they offer, and the work involved in building them, I would not
put wing lockers in my next Kitfox.
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/EA81/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mscotter@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a
Skystar option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
>
>
>
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a
Skystar option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
&
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Storage issues (Upholstery) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner"
<hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Hey Don, no more info like that until all my interior stuff is sold :)
Beside you want folks to get a good deal right.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues (Upholstery)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner"
<hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I may also have upholstery available... Definitely for the IV, 5, 6 and 7
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues (Upholstery)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner"
<hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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| Subject: | glass streaks and scratches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
great feature in Kitplanes previous issue on care of plex
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>
> Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
> winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
> with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
> buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
> first.
> Ron NB Ore.
>
>
> >From: jareds
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
> >
> >Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
> >some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
> >in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
> >solution was?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jared
> >
> >
>
> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
>
>
>
>
great feature in Kitplanes previous issue on care of plex
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <RONCAROLNIKKO@HOTMAIL.COM>
Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
first.
Ron NB Ore.
From: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>
Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET><BR
>
Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
solution was?
Thanks,
Jared
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
Message 16
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
prop and am having problems determining how and where too set the pitch
for starters. Somebody told me 17 degrees measured 1 foot down from the
tip. Warp Drive says meaasure at the tip.
Anybody got any good advice?
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Gordon,
I also have a model III (#1168). The flaperon mass balance was an ongoing
issue as I was building.
As memory serves me (open to correction) the mass balance for UK was
stipulated by the UK equivalent of the FAA to be a tube type that was
located in the leading edge of the flaperon, as opposed to the spade type
originally supplied by the factory. This tube type had to be heavier than
the spade type because of the shorter moment arm. Perhaps you could look
close at some of the UK kitfoxes and see if they have this type.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III,582
Alaska
"Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances. My
guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for attaching
to the very light flaperon structure."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
If someone gave you a "starting" pitch of 17 degrees you would have to
know where they measured so you could set the same thing on your prop. Once
you get the pitch set where all is good, you can select any spot to set your
pitch in the future. You just need to determine a spot for yourself and use
that same for all future settings.
Warp says use the tips???? I personally had problems using the tips
because there was about .5 degrees or more error between the three blade
when using the tips. I backed up and now use a point that is approximately
3/4 distance from the hub.
If you have a problem with the 17 degrees, just simply add or subtract
another degree until the engine is performing as it should. You may have to
do this a few times until you get things right. Once you get everything
right, pick a point at the 3/4 distance and measure the pitch. This will be
your future reference point...
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
> I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
> finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
> of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
> prop and am having problems determining how and where too set the pitch
> for starters. Somebody told me 17 degrees measured 1 foot down from the
> tip. Warp Drive says meaasure at the tip.
>
> Anybody got any good advice?
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
Wing lockers were a Kitfox option, and I built one in my model II (left wing, 6
gal. tank in right wing). It is small, and not totally waterproof. I use it
to store things I want to have along, like wheel chocks, tie-down ropes, the
wing support tubes if the wings are folded, and some extra 2 stroke oil. One
of my friends built one with the door opening in the bottom of the wing, to solve
the waterproof problem. Sure, things want to fall out when you open it, but
if you used it as little as I do, it is a minor inconvenience.
Mike
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
>
> What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
> lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
> option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> >
> > Cheers Graeme,
> > Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
> > people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> > yourself.
> >
> > Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> > under-the-seat storage bin.
> >
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> > Sound Appraisal
> > Seattle, WA USA
> > 425-392.4627
> > FAX 425-557-0107
> > donpearsall@comcast.net
> > http://www.soundappraisal.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
> >
> > HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> > wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> > firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
> > as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> > at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> > glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> > carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> > seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
> > great.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Graeme Toft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
> lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
> option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> &
> gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
> - The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
>
>
>
>
>
>
Wing lockers were a Kitfox option, and I built one in my model II (left wing, 6
gal. tank in right wing). It is small, and not totally waterproof. I use it to
store things I want to have along, like wheel chocks, tie-down ropes, the wing
support tubes if the wings are folded, and some extra 2 stroke oil. One of
my friends built one with the door opening in the bottom of the wing, to solve
the waterproof problem. Sure, things want to fall out when you open it, but if
you used it as little as I do, it is a minor inconvenience.
Mike
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
&
gt;
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage
leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage
sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relat
ionship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances PLUS Altered early wingsection revisited. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
John you are correct, today I put my query to UK Foxperson Les James who
told me that UK planes had exactly the mass balance system you described.
However I've decided to fit the external balances supplied with the K3 kit.
Regarding my earlier query about altering the wing rib profile to a flat
bottomed one rather than the original concave. I've learnt that in UK there
is a modification approved by the PFA to infill the underneath of the
standard ribs which was called the Optima modification (it's not a K4
section). It was combined with a wing clip and a different wingtip moulding.
This is probably old hat news to most of you but I'm still on a steep
learning curve and hungry for info. Does anyone have any experiences of the
Optima mod that they'd care to relate?
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mass balances
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner"
> <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
>
> Gordon,
> I also have a model III (#1168). The flaperon mass balance was an ongoing
> issue as I was building.
> As memory serves me (open to correction) the mass balance for UK was
> stipulated by the UK equivalent of the FAA to be a tube type that was
> located in the leading edge of the flaperon, as opposed to the spade type
> originally supplied by the factory. This tube type had to be heavier than
> the spade type because of the shorter moment arm. Perhaps you could look
> close at some of the UK kitfoxes and see if they have this type.
> Regards,
> John Stoner
> KF III,582
> Alaska
>
> "Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and
> the
> Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> 918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
> functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
> stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
> of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
> I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances.
> My
> guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
> know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for
> attaching
> to the very light flaperon structure."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
As I recall (this goes way back to Dan Denny time) somewhere in the UK,
owing to flutter, a Kitfox shed a flaperon. Who knows under what conditions
this happened, but this prompted the UK people to require mass balance
weights. Dan Denny decided to supply them with all kits after that and also
supplied upgrades for those aircraft already in service. I believe it was
also one of the reasons for the 100mph top speed on the models 2-3. I might
not be totally accurate on this, but I think I'm in the ball park.
When I built my Model II I built it light. It sure was painful to have to
add those weights.
For what it's worth...
Deke
S5 Outback
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mass balances
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner"
<john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
>
> Gordon,
> I also have a model III (#1168). The flaperon mass balance was an ongoing
> issue as I was building.
> As memory serves me (open to correction) the mass balance for UK was
> stipulated by the UK equivalent of the FAA to be a tube type that was
> located in the leading edge of the flaperon, as opposed to the spade type
> originally supplied by the factory. This tube type had to be heavier than
> the spade type because of the shorter moment arm. Perhaps you could look
> close at some of the UK kitfoxes and see if they have this type.
> Regards,
> John Stoner
> KF III,582
> Alaska
>
> "Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and
the
> Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> 918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
> functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
> stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
> of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
> I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances.
My
> guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
> know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for
attaching
> to the very light flaperon structure."
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
I basically tried that, but I think I was about 19 degrees and the engine
wouldn't put out over about 3500 RPM statically and I got shook. I started
out with the airplane jacked up so it was sitting level, then Warp said that
you don't have to do that and to just get the starting spot off the center
hub and calculate frome there. I guess I just have to play with it. Its such
a pain to re-adjust then go run it then readjust again, but I guess thats
what it takes.
-------Original Message-------
From: Don Smythe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
If someone gave you a "starting" pitch of 17 degrees you would have to
know where they measured so you could set the same thing on your prop. Once
you get the pitch set where all is good, you can select any spot to set your
pitch in the future. You just need to determine a spot for yourself and use
that same for all future settings.
Warp says use the tips???? I personally had problems using the tips
because there was about .5 degrees or more error between the three blade
when using the tips. I backed up and now use a point that is approximately
3/4 distance from the hub.
If you have a problem with the 17 degrees, just simply add or subtract
another degree until the engine is performing as it should. You may have to
do this a few times until you get things right. Once you get everything
right, pick a point at the 3/4 distance and measure the pitch. This will be
your future reference point...
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
> I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
> finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
> of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
> prop and am having problems determining how and where too set the pitch
> for starters. Somebody told me 17 degrees measured 1 foot down from the
> tip. Warp Drive says meaasure at the tip.
>
> Anybody got any good advice?
>
>
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| Subject: | pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Any guys 6'4 or more on here? ....... i need a quick answer on this one from
a few of the bigger guys on here. Can a guy who's 6'4 and 260 get into a
kitfox 3 and fly safely. The guy asking me knows it might be tight...but is
it do-able. I'm trying to find what the factory literature says about pilot
height. Maybe it says on Gary's video? Thanks, Dan.
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
I have a friend that has a Raven..basically a copy of a kitfox 1 or 2 from
plans. The flaperons would flutter every time you made a turn...scary. He
ended up adding the mass balance and was much happier for it. Dan
>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mass balances
>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:42:44 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>As I recall (this goes way back to Dan Denny time) somewhere in the UK,
>owing to flutter, a Kitfox shed a flaperon. Who knows under what
>conditions
>this happened, but this prompted the UK people to require mass balance
>weights. Dan Denny decided to supply them with all kits after that and
>also
>supplied upgrades for those aircraft already in service. I believe it was
>also one of the reasons for the 100mph top speed on the models 2-3. I
>might
>not be totally accurate on this, but I think I'm in the ball park.
>When I built my Model II I built it light. It sure was painful to have to
>add those weights.
>For what it's worth...
>Deke
>S5 Outback
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mass balances
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner"
><john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
> >
> > Gordon,
> > I also have a model III (#1168). The flaperon mass balance was an
>ongoing
> > issue as I was building.
> > As memory serves me (open to correction) the mass balance for UK was
> > stipulated by the UK equivalent of the FAA to be a tube type that was
> > located in the leading edge of the flaperon, as opposed to the spade
>type
> > originally supplied by the factory. This tube type had to be heavier
>than
> > the spade type because of the shorter moment arm. Perhaps you could
>look
> > close at some of the UK kitfoxes and see if they have this type.
> > Regards,
> > John Stoner
> > KF III,582
> > Alaska
> >
> > "Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and
>the
> > Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> > 918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
> > functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
> > stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a
>couple
> > of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the
>Kifoxes
> > I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass
>balances.
>My
> > guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted.
>Anyone
> > know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for
>attaching
> > to the very light flaperon structure."
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW engine with
the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a fair question.
I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys brag about what
a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine for them, but what
about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a shot.
Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a lead or can
steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
VW Flyer
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I am 6'1" tall and can fit in a VI but it is tight. My bigest consern is
usefull load. It is almost a single place or me and a child.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of daniel
johnson
Subject: Kitfox-List: pilot height range. need a tall guys advice.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Any guys 6'4 or more on here? ....... i need a quick answer on this one from
a few of the bigger guys on here. Can a guy who's 6'4 and 260 get into a
kitfox 3 and fly safely. The guy asking me knows it might be tight...but is
it do-able. I'm trying to find what the factory literature says about pilot
height. Maybe it says on Gary's video? Thanks, Dan.
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| Subject: | pilot height range. need a tall guys advice. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Dan,
I'm 6'4" and weigh 260. But I have a Classic IV. I think a III would be
tight. The Classic is just right for me. I have the bowed windows and have
the rudder pedals as far forward as possible. Jeff Ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: daniel johnson <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/25/2005 4:55:15 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: pilot height range. need a tall guys advice.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
<kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
> Any guys 6'4 or more on here? ....... i need a quick answer on this one
from
> a few of the bigger guys on here. Can a guy who's 6'4 and 260 get into a
> kitfox 3 and fly safely. The guy asking me knows it might be tight...but
is
> it do-able. I'm trying to find what the factory literature says about
pilot
> height. Maybe it says on Gary's video? Thanks, Dan.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Gary,
If Sonex had their VW out when I built my classic IV I would have one. 80
HP and the weight is comparable. The best selling point is one carb. What a
sweet engine! Jeff ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/25/2005 5:15:15 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW
engine with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a
fair question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys
brag about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine
for them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a
shot.
>
> Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a lead
or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
>
> VW Flyer
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW engine
with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a fair
question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys brag
about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine for
them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a shot.
>
> Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a lead
or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
>
> VW Flyer
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: S-5 Rudder Pedal Reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Grant,
I installed the SS rudder pedal reinforcement kit on my model IV.
It consists of reinforcement brackets bonded with Hysol structural adhesive
and riveted to the rudder pedal torque tubes.
Doug Remoundos
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone interested contact me off list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW engine
with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a fair
question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys brag
about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine for
them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a shot.
>
> Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a lead
or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
>
> VW Flyer
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
Several questions:
1. I've got a Rotax 582 grey head that hasn't been run since '01. I'm
thinking I should have someone go through it and replace the seals, at
least. I'd also like all the SI's checked off. Does anyone have a source
for a Rotax A&P type in San Diego or southern California?
2. I'm looking at putting in a spring pitch trim. Would someone like to try
to quantify the pitch stick forces for me?
3. Has anyone had success bending their tube gear to zero toe-in? Mine are
faired and covered. I need to bend them less than one degree. I'm worried
about blowing them up.
Thanks all. Really appreciate the help.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Mass balances: WAS Altering early wing section |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Use the mass balance. The ones without obvious balance weights may have
lead in the leading edge of the flaperons. Looks good but comes out
much heavier than the the regular weights. However the Kitfox did not
add balance weights in the earlier models, Mod I and II, until late in
production. It was usually OK at the low speeds of the early models but
it was very borderline safe. There are well documented incidents of
flapperon flutter without the balance weights on both Foxes and Avids.
One Avid amphibian was built without the weights to save weight that
resulted in flutter with loss of the flapperons and lead to a fatal
crash. I have them on my Avid and wouldn't be without.
Build your Fox light as you can and you'll love it. Add all the bells
and whistles and you'll be flying Miss Piggy and miss all the delightful
characteristics of the little plane. My two cents.
Jerry Liles
Gordon Faulkner wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>
>Thanks for the wing section info Jerry, the concensus opinion on this list
>definately is to retain the original Dean Wilson section on my K3 so that's
>what I've decided to do. For me speed is much less of an issue than short
>field capability, although an extra 10mph on economy cruise would have been
>welcome. Obviously with a Vne of 100mph the Kitfox 3 isn't for speed freaks
>(for that I have a Suzuki TL1000S).
>
>Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
>Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
>918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
>functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
>stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
>of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
>I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances. My
>guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
>know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for attaching
>to the very light flaperon structure.
>
>Brgds, Gordon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Altering early wing section
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>The early wing section was designed by Dean Wilson for the Avid A
>>model. It is not a standard catalogued section. None-the-less it
>>performs very well at low speed, better than the MK IV section. If you
>>are interested in STOL it is a better profile. If speed is your need
>>you need a different airplane. However you can gain a not
>>inconsequential increase in speed with careful fairing of the struts and
>>roots and landing gear. On a Mod III I'd stick with the original wing
>>and enjoy the superior short field performance.
>>
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>Gordon Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gordon Faulkner"
>>><hagar@othertonair.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>
>>>Dear Foxfolk,
>>>Is there a consensus view regarding the benefits (or otherwise) of
>>>infilling
>>>the underside of the early wing ribs?
>>>
>>>I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
>>>altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4. Since
>>>I'm soon to start making my wings this would be the time to make the
>>>change
>>>but I'd feel happier about the decision after hearing a few more opinions.
>>>Is there anyone on list who's actually made this particular modification?
>>>
>>>Much of my flying will be from short grass airstrips, my home airfield has
>>>300 yards available.
>>>
>>>Gordon Faulkner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Guy,
Second first, I bent my weldment to align the wheels. For the most part, I
think, it bent the mild steel axles. I shimmed the calipers with washers to
match.
Regarding stick forces, I have the elevator trim - electric and even with
pitch full up or full down, stick forces are very manageable.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Miscellaneous
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> Several questions:
>
> 1. I've got a Rotax 582 grey head that hasn't been run since '01. I'm
> thinking I should have someone go through it and replace the seals, at
> least. I'd also like all the SI's checked off. Does anyone have a source
> for a Rotax A&P type in San Diego or southern California?
>
> 2. I'm looking at putting in a spring pitch trim. Would someone like to
> try
> to quantify the pitch stick forces for me?
>
> 3. Has anyone had success bending their tube gear to zero toe-in? Mine are
> faired and covered. I need to bend them less than one degree. I'm worried
> about blowing them up.
>
> Thanks all. Really appreciate the help.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Hi,\
I have a Ivo inflight adjustable, have had a little problem with it. Would
not be without it for one minute. The problem you are going to find is not
being able to find the right angle, need one for each condition. With the
warp you are going to miss the IVO. I have one of the very origional,
bought it back in 1996. Still have the same gears and the motor had been
replaced. Not because it failed but it lost its torque. I know just how
much and when to adjust it. I don't over use it and have 1100 hours on it.
Clint
From: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
prop and am having problems determining how and where too set the pitch
for starters. Somebody told me 17 degrees measured 1 foot down from the
tip. Warp Drive says meaasure at the tip.
Anybody got any good advice?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I have 2 wing lockers in my aircraft. I would not be without them. Use one
for cleaners, additives, etc. The other is emergency stuff and windscreen
cover. I did not like the instructions for installing them. Very poor
pictures. I believe that somewhere in my photo library I have some pictures
if anyone interested. Clint
From: skyflyte@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
Wing lockers were a Kitfox option, and I built one in my model II (left
wing, 6 gal. tank in right wing). It is small, and not totally waterproof.
I use it to store things I want to have along, like wheel chocks, tie-down
ropes, the wing support tubes if the wings are folded, and some extra 2
stroke oil. One of my friends built one with the door opening in the bottom
of the wing, to solve the waterproof problem. Sure, things want to fall out
when you open it, but if you used it as little as I do, it is a minor
inconvenience.
Mike
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
>
> What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone
building wing
> lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
> option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> >
> > Cheers Graeme,
> > Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
same
> > people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> > yourself.
> >
> > Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> > under-the-seat storage bin.
> >
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> > Sound Appraisal
> > Seattle, WA USA
> > 425-392.4627
> > FAX 425-557-0107
> > donpearsall@comcast.net
> > http://www.soundappraisal.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme
Toft
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
> >
> > HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my
wife
> > wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is
becoming
> > firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
> > as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a
pod
> > at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has
anyone
> > glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out
with
> > carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind
the
> > seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it
would be
> > great.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Graeme Toft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone
building wing
> lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
> option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall@comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> &
> gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a
pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
> - The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
>
>
>
>
>
>
Wing lockers were a Kitfox option, and I built one in my model II (left
wing, 6 gal. tank in right wing). It is small, and not totally waterproof. I
use it to store things I want to have along, like wheel chocks, tie-down
ropes, the wing support tubes if the wings are folded, and some extra 2
stroke oil. One of my friends built one with the door opening in the bottom
of the wing, to solve the waterproof problem. Sure, things want to fall out
when you open it, but if you used it as little as I do, it is a minor
inconvenience.
Mike
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
&
gt;
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a
pod
at this stage
leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar
option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage
sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relat
ionship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
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| Subject: | Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin? It seems to me
that it was just MEK or Acetone. Sure hate to pay $5.00 per little tube
when I think I have a gallon or five.
Ron NB Ore
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| Subject: | Series 4 to series 7 cowl |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I think the smooth cowl you are looking for may be the same for most of
the late models. I was trying to ask Skystar when the communication failed.
Great Plains makes them for the Avid and Kitfox VW, but I have not seen a
picture that shows the profile. For those on the east coast that may be the
best option, but the freight is making me play with fiberglass on my round
cowl. I'll probably buy one in the end anyway. Ron NB Ore.
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| Subject: | Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" <plane6013@earthlink.net>
better get the activator, as mek or acetone will not work. you should be
able to find the activator a little cheaper. do not do like me, use 5.00
worth of gas to save 1.00
Randy Kit Fox 1 in NC
> [Original Message]
> From: ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/25/2005 11:25:59 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass hardener
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin? It seems to
me
> that it was just MEK or Acetone. Sure hate to pay $5.00 per little tube
> when I think I have a gallon or five.
> Ron NB Ore
>
>
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