Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:47 AM - Mass Balance (Rex & Jan Shaw)
2. 02:00 AM - SV: Fiberglass hardener (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:01 AM - SV: Mass Balance (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:12 AM - Re: Miscellaneous (wwillyard@aol.com)
5. 04:28 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (Don Smythe)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Jeremy Casey)
7. 06:52 AM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Jeremy Casey)
8. 07:14 AM - More cowling needs (Dave Wahlquist)
9. 07:16 AM - Kitfox Mod II parts support (Joe & Jan Connell)
10. 07:52 AM - Re: Miscellaneous (Marco Menezes)
11. 10:00 AM - Erattic Voltage (George Wells@adelphia.net)
12. 10:09 AM - Re: Miscellaneous (Guy Buchanan)
13. 10:09 AM - Re: Miscellaneous (Guy Buchanan)
14. 10:09 AM - Re: Fiberglass hardener (Guy Buchanan)
15. 10:12 AM - New Radiator Scoop from skystar $185 Re: More (Harris, Robert)
16. 10:26 AM - Re: New Radiator Scoop from skystar $185 Re: More cowlin g needs (Rich Williamson)
17. 11:57 AM - Kitfox I steel tube type (Cloughley, Bill)
18. 12:06 PM - Heater (Alan & Linda Daniels)
19. 12:14 PM - PRICE CHECK in progress Re: New Radiator Scoop from skystar (Harris, Robert)
20. 12:39 PM - Re: Header Tank (tony fiacco)
21. 12:54 PM - I hate to ask... (Jeremy Casey)
22. 01:24 PM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Kerry Skyring)
23. 01:41 PM - Re: Kitfox I steel tube type (Ron Liebmann)
24. 01:57 PM - Re: Heater (Paul Seehafer)
25. 01:59 PM - 912S vs. O-200 was:S-7 Cowling (Jose M. Toro)
26. 02:03 PM - Re: S-7 Cowling (Jeremy Casey)
27. 02:24 PM - Re: Heater (Alan & Linda Daniels)
28. 02:37 PM - Re: I hate to ask... (Alan & Linda Daniels)
29. 02:57 PM - Needing a Tail Wheel Spring for a model II. (David Savener)
30. 03:26 PM - Re: Erattic Voltage (Guy Buchanan)
31. 03:34 PM - Re: Needing a Tail Wheel Spring for a model II. (Gary Olson)
32. 03:36 PM - Re: I hate to ask... (ron schick)
33. 04:10 PM - Re: 0-200 vs 912 performance (Paul Seehafer)
34. 04:41 PM - Re: 0-200 vs 912 performance (Andrew Matthaey)
35. 05:30 PM - Re: Heater (NELSON GOGUEN)
36. 06:25 PM - Re: Heater (Paul Seehafer)
37. 06:31 PM - Re: I hate to ask... (Rick)
38. 06:33 PM - Re: Heater (Andrew Matthaey)
39. 06:48 PM - Re: Fiberglass hardener (Bob Unternaehrer)
40. 07:00 PM - M4 Spdstr Radiator scoop increase speed much? (Paul Seehafer)
41. 07:18 PM - Skystar site gone (Paul Seehafer)
42. 08:19 PM - Re: Fiberglass hardener (Richard Rabbers)
43. 08:43 PM - Re: Skystar site gone (QSS)
44. 09:37 PM - Re: Skystar site gone (John Marzulli)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> My understanding is that, with them, you can increase your Vne.
Incidentally, mine is, as noted by the builder, 100 MPH. But I believe, with
the masses, I can exceed that without risking fluttering of the flaperon.
Please double-check this, my memory is as unreliable as any advice I may
give! :-)
I'm not 100% sure here but my understanding was rather than being able to
increase your Vne because you fitted Mass Balancers than the Vne was reduced
after flutter problems cropped up until you fitted them.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: ron schick [roncarolnikko@hotmail.com]
> Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin?
Hello Ron,
As you know, fiberglass is not a resin. It is epoxy or polyester. To harden those
you need a catalyser (a.k.a. accelerator) and it is certainly not acetone as
it will rather dissolve resins.
Without catalyser, you can also harden resins with heat. My sailboat was built
in so called technique 'wet on wet' where fiberglass cloth is binded with polyester
that stays wet. The right proportion is 70% of the weight in fiberglass.
Then the entire hull and deck is put in a big oven and "baked" at about 80 C for
48 hours. As a result of avoiding catalyser, the construction is about 20% stronger.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> I'm not 100% sure here but my understanding was rather than being able to
> increase your Vne because you fitted Mass Balancers than the Vne was reduced
> after flutter problems cropped up until you fitted them.
Your understanding is certainly more correct than mine, Rex!
In fact, what you write is what I wanted to say. If I could only learn to think
before I write! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com
>3. Has anyone had success bending their tube gear to zero toe-in? Mine are faired
and covered. I need to bend them less than one degree. I'm worried
about blowing them up.
I made a spanner to bend my gear from the inboard end of the axle, as I was afraid
of bending the axle. My gear was also faired and covered before the adjustment.
All went well with no ill effects.
Bill W.
Classic IV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I don't know anything about the 912 but would imagine the setting of the
prop is similar. Just keep doing what you need to do the get the RPM's set.
Once you have set that prop a few times you will almost be able to do it
blind folded. Also, you are only looking for a good ball park RPM on the
ground. The real test is to fly the airplane and yes, you may have to tweak
it again once back on the ground.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
> I basically tried that, but I think I was about 19 degrees and the engine
> wouldn't put out over about 3500 RPM statically and I got shook. I started
> out with the airplane jacked up so it was sitting level, then Warp said
> that
> you don't have to do that and to just get the starting spot off the center
> hub and calculate frome there. I guess I just have to play with it. Its
> such
> a pain to re-adjust then go run it then readjust again, but I guess thats
> what it takes.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Don Smythe
> Date: 10/25/05 14:09:40
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> If someone gave you a "starting" pitch of 17 degrees you would have to
> know where they measured so you could set the same thing on your prop.
> Once
> you get the pitch set where all is good, you can select any spot to set
> your
> pitch in the future. You just need to determine a spot for yourself and
> use
> that same for all future settings.
> Warp says use the tips???? I personally had problems using the tips
> because there was about .5 degrees or more error between the three blade
> when using the tips. I backed up and now use a point that is
> approximately
> 3/4 distance from the hub.
> If you have a problem with the 17 degrees, just simply add or subtract
> another degree until the engine is performing as it should. You may have
> to
> do this a few times until you get things right. Once you get everything
> right, pick a point at the 3/4 distance and measure the pitch. This will
> be
> your future reference point...
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Pitch
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Disher <jdisher@intergate.com>
>>
>> I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
>> finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
>> of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
>> prop and am having problems determining how and where too set the pitch
>> for starters. Somebody told me 17 degrees measured 1 foot down from the
>> tip. Warp Drive says meaasure at the tip.
>>
>> Anybody got any good advice?
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl for my "new" Series
5 project...
Jeremy Casey
jeremy@kilocharlie.us
P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling , If you don't mind me
asking?
-----Original Message-----
From: eccles [mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net]
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone interested contact me off
list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@mcmsys.com>
If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW
engine
with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a
fair
question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys
brag
about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine
for
them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a
shot.
>
> Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a
lead
or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
>
> VW Flyer
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Apologies to the list...was supposed to go direct...I can click faster
than I can think ;-)
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Casey [mailto:n79rt@kilocharlie.us]
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl for my "new" Series
5 project...
Jeremy Casey
jeremy@kilocharlie.us
P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling , If you don't mind me
asking?
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| Subject: | More cowling needs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave Wahlquist <wahlquist@ics.uwex.edu>
With all the cowling talk going on it reminded me that I too could use
some cowling for a Mod III if anyone has any parts around.I am especially
looking for the lower parts.
Dave
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| Subject: | Kitfox Mod II parts support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell@rconnect.com>
Hi Guys,
I have built and am flying a Model 2, #399. In the
Fall of 2002 my wife and I toured the SkyStar plant.
Even then it was a ghost town. One fellow was working
in the parts store, there was one admin person, and Ed
Downes was at the helm.
Ed mentioned when the company was moved from Nampa
to Caldwell all of the Model I & II jigs were left behind. Should
someone buy the jigs and again provide customer support,
it would appear you will not be able to buy Model I & II components.
For your information and perhaps it's old news...
Joe Connell
dl
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Guy:
1,2 - no help.
3. Before first flight I fretted alot about minor toe-in in tube gear of my model
II. All the cures offered by the list (mostly involving bending the weldments
in place) scared the heck out of me. Since then, I've flown and found no problems
with ground handling, at least not when my technique is good. But, then,
poor technique will get you in trouble whether you have toe-in or not.
No doubt you'll get other views but I'd say fly it off grass for awhile and see
how it feels to you before you go stressing the airframe and gear to eliminate
the minor toe-in condition you described.
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
All,
Several questions:
1. I've got a Rotax 582 grey head that hasn't been run since '01. I'm
thinking I should have someone go through it and replace the seals, at
least. I'd also like all the SI's checked off. Does anyone have a source
for a Rotax A&P type in San Diego or southern California?
2. I'm looking at putting in a spring pitch trim. Would someone like to try
to quantify the pitch stick forces for me?
3. Has anyone had success bending their tube gear to zero toe-in? Mine are
faired and covered. I need to bend them less than one degree. I'm worried
about blowing them up.
Thanks all. Really appreciate the help.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells@adelphia.net" <georgewells@adelphia.net>
I will post this again since I am still looking for some help. Also along the same
line I am surprised with the lack of support from Rotax service centers and
distributors - They don't even answer the inquiry with the exception of LEAF.
I have a Mod 5 KitFox with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter
since I previously only had a Amp meter. While flying today the voltage reading
started to rise until it was at the top of the scale at appox 18 volts and
the amp meter at appox. 5 amps. After I cycled a few accessories the voltage
came back down to around 13.5 - 14 volts and the amps at just a slight positive
deflection from 0.
My question is does this sound like a rectifier or some other problem ?
Thanks
georgewells@adelphia.net
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:10 AM 10/26/2005, you wrote:
>I made a spanner to bend my gear from the inboard end of the axle, as I
>was afraid of bending the axle. My gear was also faired and covered before
>the adjustment. All went well with no ill effects.
Thanks Bill. This is a good idea, as I can get 0 toe just by bending the
gear until the spanner points at the opposite gear.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:51 AM 10/26/2005, you wrote:
>No doubt you'll get other views but I'd say fly it off grass for awhile
>and see how it feels to you before you go stressing the airframe and gear
>to eliminate the minor toe-in condition you described.
That would be nice, but unfortunately we don't have grass in So Cal. We
don't even have much public dirt.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:25 PM 10/25/2005, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin?
The hardener for polyester resin, which I'm guessing you're using, is
methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (MEKP). It's not MEK or acetone, which are
solvents.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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cowlin g needs
cowlin g needs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
For Sale-New Skystar radiator scoop for Kitfox Model II, III and IV with
Rotax 912 and Rotax 582. Price is $185 plus shipping. I purchased the
radiator scoop from Skystar several months ago but no longer need it.
If interested please e-mail me off line at Robert_harris@intuit.com
Robert
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g needs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Thought this sold for $130.00 brand new?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: New Radiator Scoop from skystar $185 RE: Kitfox-List: More cowlin g
needs
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> For Sale-New Skystar radiator scoop for Kitfox Model II, III and IV with
> Rotax 912 and Rotax 582. Price is $185 plus shipping. I purchased the
> radiator scoop from Skystar several months ago but no longer need it.
>
> If interested please e-mail me off line at Robert_harris@intuit.com
>
> Robert
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox I steel tube type |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
I have a Model I, never flown, that has an elevator that won't swing
freely on the horizontal stab. I think the hinges need to be adjusted,
requiring welding. Anyone know off-hand what kind of steel tubing the
Model I was made of? To see if it's suitable for welding?
Thanks in advance,
Bill Cloughley
Kitfox Model I
Severna Park, MD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I am looking for some input on engine heat and heater for a 912s powered
5. I am used to a CAM 100 powered plane with lots of 185 degree water
for cabin heat, and of course the thermostat keeps the engine happy
also. I have used the oil thermostat on a previous 912s Kitfox and it
helped the oil temp, but not the water, head temp, so I did not put it
on this plane. I can't believe that this sophisticated little engine has
nothing to control it's temp, and as a bonus give hot water for cabin
heat. I am using duct tape to block some of the oil cooler and radiator,
but that is really not very good. One of the most experienced builders,
Sylvan, built a cowl flap to block exiting air which is what I will do
unless someone has a better idea.
Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | PRICE CHECK in progress RE: New Radiator Scoop from skystar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks for e-mail Rich. Not including shipping, the price will be the LESSER
of $185 OR 10% less than what Skystar's sold it to me for.
I'll look for my receipt tonight. I will take photos this weekend and e-mail
them to any one interested. I'm not trying to make money off the list.
Robert
Cell phone 760-415-1810
>
> For Sale-New Skystar radiator scoop for Kitfox Model II, III and IV with
> Rotax 912 and Rotax 582. Price is $185 plus shipping. I purchased the
> radiator scoop from Skystar several months ago but no longer need it.
>
> If interested please e-mail me off line at Robert_harris@intuit.com
>
> Robert
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: tony fiacco <tony_fiacco@yahoo.com>
i have a header tank from the series 7 for sale brand new.
if interested contact me off list
tony_fiacco@yahoo.com
Rick <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
The following items are being offered for sale. The engine is broken in and
has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at 75 percent of new unless otherwise stated
or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No tax and
actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown@comcast.net for fast
delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need some
right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $8,700 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp.$1625.oo
list $2165
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00
Header tank aluminum***sold
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00.
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each.
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM100 II Also have digital cockpit
recorder, cant find price will include for additional $100.00 $335 List
$449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery.
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost 0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder
Elevator
Control rigging and pulleys
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2)
Master cylinders (4)
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
I am sure there is more but thats all for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay Carter
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Carter"
Anyone on the list have a header tank p/n 90064.000 that is surplus
to your needs and would sell? p/n is from S-6 assembly manual.
Jay C.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Here is a link to a photo I put up.
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/shoffice/whatisit.jpg
Look at the circle in the picture.
This is a picture from a Kitfox Series 5 "Vixen" cage that I acquired
(along with everything except firewall forward) this summer and am
trying to get started on now. I have most of the manuals I believe and
after going through the whole thing (including the pile of manual
changes and revisions that the original kit owner kept as Skystar sent
them to him through the years) I can't determine what this little stub
tube does. Judging from the rather substantial bracing to the little
beastie, I kinda assumed it was a fairly important little stub. It is
in line with the mounts for the main gear spring and sticks out the
bottom enough that it will obviously hit the top of the grove gear.
What am I looking at here?
Jeremy Casey
KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
jeremy@kilocharlie.us
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Just jumping into the cowl discussion again. We have an unused cowl - top
and bottom - for an S5 with 0-200. But it is in Vienna Austria so not much
good to our US friends. The original idea was to fit an 0-200 to the S5 but
the sale/purchase of the 0-200 fell through and we ended up with a Rotax
912S. We will sell the cowl if we can get some of the money back - it cost
around 500 dollars - plus freight. All offers considered. Although we
haven't flown yet ( we will soon) we sometimes wonder which is the better
engine for the S5 - 0-200 or 912S? A second hand 0-200 is certainly cheaper
than a new 912S. Our club has a Cessna 150 which has had the 0-200 replaced
by a 912S and which I have flown. It's a tough call and I know this is a
very subjective debate. We came so close to fitting an 0-200.
Kerry
>From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:59:14 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
>Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl for my "new" Series
>5 project...
>
>Jeremy Casey
>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
>
>P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling , If you don't mind me
>asking?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: eccles [mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net]
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
>
>I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone interested contact me off
>list
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
>Unternaehrer
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
><shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW
>engine
>with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a
>fair
>question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys
>brag
>about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine
>for
>them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a
>shot.
> >
> > Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a
>lead
>or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
> >
> > VW Flyer
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox I steel tube type |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I rewelded (mig) my elevator hinges years back. I'm pretty sure that it is
4130 steel. An easy job
Ron
do not archive
>
> I have a Model I, never flown, that has an elevator that won't swing
> freely on the horizontal stab. I think the hinges need to be adjusted,
> requiring welding. Anyone know off-hand what kind of steel tubing the
> Model I was made of? To see if it's suitable for welding?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bill Cloughley
> Kitfox Model I
> Severna Park, MD
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Alan,
Funny thing, there was a similar question regarding cabin heat that I just
responded to on the Avid Forum. You may find some of it useful...
(original question was from an Avid owner in Wisconsin asking about how to
get cabin heat in his airplane for winter flying, and if a small electric
cabin heater might not be the answer? Here is my reply;)
Mark,
I bought one of those inexpensive 12 volt heaters and tried it last winter
in my car. Waste of money in my opinion. In the well-sealed environment of
a car the heat was barely noticeable, so I doubt very much that it would do
anything significant in our breezy cockpits. I would suggest as an
alternative the 12 volt heated seat cushions and possbily the heated
motorcyle vest. I heard they work well. But you may need something for
your feet?
The real answer in my opinion is to use an exhaust heat muff like every
other airplane has used for decades. Just make sure you get the muff
around pipes or the can in an area where there are no ball sockets/joints as
they are most likely leaking a little in normal operations. And if there is
any way to get the radiator air to preheat the fresh air into the heat muff
(like a Mark IV uses when Cheek style radiators are used), it will work all
that much better. Don't kid yourself, those pipes get hot (even your EGT
agrees). And if you are concerned about carbon monoxide in the breezy
cockpit, just install a detector, and be able to either shut the heat source
off well, or open a door in flight should there be a problem. But knowing
how poorly the average Avid is sealed up, you probably don't have much to
worry about regarding fumes. (If you do get yours all sealed up tight,
please let me know how you did it as I'd love to be able to seal mine up for
winter too). Incidentally, having helped a friend with a Luscombe that was
always cold, we learned it is almost as important to seal up all the leaks
as it is to get a good source of heat. His heater was marginal due to the
small muff being exposed to a lot of cooling air in the cowl, but once we
got the cabin sealed up it worked good. To give you an idea to the extent
we went, we even sealed the back of the seat to the tail section with
plastic sheeting and duct tape as the landing gear fitting openings were
apparently sucking air out of the cabin. Sealing that up with plastic
helped immensely. So getting a comfortable cabin is really a two step
process: A good heat source, and a tight cockpit.
I have a Kitfox IV I am almost finished with now. And being that I live in
Wisconsin too, I want a good source of heat (I fly skis typically anywhere
from 0 to 30 degree weather, so I know how cold it can get) My airplane
came with a heater core and fan under the panel, so one would think that
would be "the answer" for cabin comfort. But after talking to others that
have them, and then flying in an airplane with one when it wasn't even cold
out, I decided it wasn't even worth hooking up (seems the only people that
like the heater core approach live in a part of the country where forty
degrees fahrenheit is cold) And after having flown a friends Rans S-7 with
a small heat muff on it (and getting lots of heat), I was convinced the
route to go was a heat muff. So that is what I'll be putting on mine real
soon. I have a 912 in the Fox, but I heard the 2 strokes throw as much or
more heat off the exhaust.
Incidentally, I heard recently of a guy installing a bilge pump fan from a
boat under his panel with a hose going to his heat muff. Rather than
forcing cool fresh air into the muff this sucks the air out of the muff (he
makes small fresh air holes in the muff for air to be sucked in), and blows
it out into the cabin. This makes a lot of sense to me, is simpler because
one doesn't have to make a fresh air source, and allows you to blow a lot of
air into the cockpit wherever you want (like a defroster, or two
outlets,etc). Those fans blow a lot of air and take marginal power. Plus,
you don't need a carb heat box on the firewall because the fan unit shuts
off all incoming air when you turn off the switch (remember, the other type
heat muff is continually ramming air through the system, so you have to get
rid of it when you don't want it) Being a "see it to believe it" kind'a
guy, I want to see one in action. I do have a friend in northwestern
wisconsin (where it is cold too) that is going to put one on his 912 powered
Highlander real soon. So I will let everyone know as soon as I find out how
well it works. But it sure sounds to me like a good idea. Incidentally, if
it works like they claim, they plan on selling kits for the light plane
industry. Just another thought if you hadn't heard of it.
So there's my two cents worth on cabin heat...
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | 912S vs. O-200 was:S-7 Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Kerry:
How do you compare the performance of the 912S powered
C-150 vs the common, O-200 powered. Just curious!
Jose
--- Kerry Skyring <kerryskyring@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> Just jumping into the cowl discussion again. We have
> an unused cowl - top
> and bottom - for an S5 with 0-200. But it is in
> Vienna Austria so not much
> good to our US friends. The original idea was to fit
> an 0-200 to the S5 but
> the sale/purchase of the 0-200 fell through and we
> ended up with a Rotax
> 912S. We will sell the cowl if we can get some of
> the money back - it cost
> around 500 dollars - plus freight. All offers
> considered. Although we
> haven't flown yet ( we will soon) we sometimes
> wonder which is the better
> engine for the S5 - 0-200 or 912S? A second hand
> 0-200 is certainly cheaper
> than a new 912S. Our club has a Cessna 150 which has
> had the 0-200 replaced
> by a 912S and which I have flown. It's a tough call
> and I know this is a
> very subjective debate. We came so close to fitting
> an 0-200.
> Kerry
>
>
> >From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:59:14 -0400
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey"
> <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
> >
> >Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl
> for my "new" Series
> >5 project...
> >
> >Jeremy Casey
> >jeremy@kilocharlie.us
> >
> >P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling ,
> If you don't mind me
> >asking?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: eccles [mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net]
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles"
> <eccles@chartermi.net>
> >
> >I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone
> interested contact me off
> >list
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Bob
> >Unternaehrer
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> Unternaehrer"
> ><shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> >
> >If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod
> IV. Bob U.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson
> <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a
> 2276 Great Plains VW
> >engine
> >with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am
> using a VW. This is a
> >fair
> >question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening
> to the Sonex guys
> >brag
> >about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it
> maybe a great engine
> >for
> >them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the
> heck, lets give it a
> >shot.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this
> project. If anyone has a
> >lead
> >or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate
> it immensely.
> > >
> > > VW Flyer
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Just jumping into the cowl discussion again. We have an unused cowl -
top
and bottom - for an S5 with 0-200. But it is in Vienna Austria so not
much
good to our US friends. The original idea was to fit an 0-200 to the S5
but
the sale/purchase of the 0-200 fell through and we ended up with a Rotax
912S. We will sell the cowl if we can get some of the money back - it
cost
around 500 dollars - plus freight. All offers considered. Although we
haven't flown yet ( we will soon) we sometimes wonder which is the
better
engine for the S5 - 0-200 or 912S? A second hand 0-200 is certainly
cheaper
than a new 912S. Our club has a Cessna 150 which has had the 0-200
replaced
by a 912S and which I have flown. It's a tough call and I know this is a
very subjective debate. We came so close to fitting an 0-200.
Kerry
<snip>
Am I correct in that there are only 2 types of cowl, round and the
"flat" or Lycoming style? It is also my understanding that the round
cowl will only fit the 912 series engines, but the flat cowl will fit
either? Since you spent the money to buy another cowl when you decided
against the O-200 I'm betting that it doesn't fit the 912 or either you
decided you liked the round nose look?
About the 912 powered 150...if you have a picture of that I would love
to see it. I have a friend with an Aeronca Champ that has been dying to
try a 912 on it, but the paperwork to do that swap is nearly
unimaginable since the Champ is a certified plane...he even talked to
FAA about deregistering and registering experimental and all the
possibilities...finally decided to forget it.
Jeremy Casey
jeremy@kilocharlie.us
starting a "new" series 5 kit
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Paul Seehafer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
>Alan,
>
>Funny thing, there was a similar question regarding cabin heat that I just
>responded to on the Avid Forum. You may find some of it useful...
>
>
Thanks for responding Paul
I noticed that the CT2K Light Sport plane which sells for about 90K uses
muff heat. I have had great luck with the CAM 100 water heat as I said,
but it keeps the coolant at 185 and I can fly down to zero without
discomfort, but the same basic B&M transmission cooler with fans just
does not get hot enough to do much good. I am also concerned about
running the engine that cool, I just don't think it is good for it. I
thought some of the 2 stroke Rotax had thermostats you could put in, but
have never seen anything for the 912
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: I hate to ask... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I just went and pulled up the seat on my 95 manufacture 5 Vixen and it
does not have the stub tube or the tubes that go to it, so I have no
idea what it is. If you want I will take a picture of my plane in that
area for you. What year was it manufactured, that might help.
P.S. Don't hate to ask. It's kinda fun to help out another builder.
Alan
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
>Here is a link to a photo I put up.
>
>http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/shoffice/whatisit.jpg
>
>Look at the circle in the picture.
>
>This is a picture from a Kitfox Series 5 "Vixen" cage that I acquired
>(along with everything except firewall forward) this summer and am
>trying to get started on now. I have most of the manuals I believe and
>after going through the whole thing (including the pile of manual
>changes and revisions that the original kit owner kept as Skystar sent
>them to him through the years) I can't determine what this little stub
>tube does. Judging from the rather substantial bracing to the little
>beastie, I kinda assumed it was a fairly important little stub. It is
>in line with the mounts for the main gear spring and sticks out the
>bottom enough that it will obviously hit the top of the grove gear.
>
>What am I looking at here?
>
>
>Jeremy Casey
>KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Needing a Tail Wheel Spring for a model II. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I broke my tail wheel spring on my Model II that flies, but robbed one off of a
model II that I have been building for years.
Now I need to replace it so I can finish my hanger queen.
Does anyone out there have one for sale or know of a source now that SkyStar is
Tango Uniform??
Dave S
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| Subject: | Re: Erattic Voltage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:59 AM 10/26/2005, you wrote:
>I will post this again since I am still looking for some help.
George,
Repost this to:
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
and you'll get more assistance.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Needing a Tail Wheel Spring for a model II. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
David,
Try "sportplanellc.com". I am looking for a tailwheel spring for my S7 and they
replied that they ordered a number of them and are expecting them shortly. I
don't know if they fit all of the Kitfox planes, but it wouldn't hurt to drop
them an e-mail.
Gary
David Savener <david_savener@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
I broke my tail wheel spring on my Model II that flies, but robbed one off of a
model II that I have been building for years.
Now I need to replace it so I can finish my hanger queen.
Does anyone out there have one for sale or know of a source now that SkyStar is
Tango Uniform??
Dave S
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| Subject: | Re: I hate to ask... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Nose wheel?
>From: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I hate to ask...
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:37:15 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
><aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>I just went and pulled up the seat on my 95 manufacture 5 Vixen and it
>does not have the stub tube or the tubes that go to it, so I have no
>idea what it is. If you want I will take a picture of my plane in that
>area for you. What year was it manufactured, that might help.
>
>P.S. Don't hate to ask. It's kinda fun to help out another builder.
>
>Alan
>
>Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
> >
> >Here is a link to a photo I put up.
> >
> >http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/shoffice/whatisit.jpg
> >
> >Look at the circle in the picture.
> >
> >This is a picture from a Kitfox Series 5 "Vixen" cage that I acquired
> >(along with everything except firewall forward) this summer and am
> >trying to get started on now. I have most of the manuals I believe and
> >after going through the whole thing (including the pile of manual
> >changes and revisions that the original kit owner kept as Skystar sent
> >them to him through the years) I can't determine what this little stub
> >tube does. Judging from the rather substantial bracing to the little
> >beastie, I kinda assumed it was a fairly important little stub. It is
> >in line with the mounts for the main gear spring and sticks out the
> >bottom enough that it will obviously hit the top of the grove gear.
> >
> >What am I looking at here?
> >
> >
> >Jeremy Casey
> >KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
> >jeremy@kilocharlie.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 0-200 vs 912 performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Kerry,
All you have to do to know which engine is better is to put either airplane
on floats. That is the true test if you want to know which engine will
provide the most low end power. And if you really want to test an engines
ability, put amphibious floats on the airplane. That definitely proves
which engines work best for flat out thrust. Of course, it really boils
down to the highest horsepower per horsepower, which the 912 excels a, as
well as the two strokes. While I think the 0-200 is a great engine, it
would barely get an amphibious kitfox off the water unless extremely
modified and/or lightened. Even an IO-240 powered Fox at the higher
horsepower is not going to perform as well as the 912. I believe if you
look at Skystars specs on their airplanes (on wheels) you will find the
turbocharged 914 to be the best performer even when compared to the IO-240.
Incidentally, the high horsepower to weight of the two stroke 582 rotax
powered Model IV kitfox on amphib floats would be a much better performer
than would any of the aircraft engine versions with the exception of the
912. How can that be? Simple, lots of power, and lighter than anything
else out there.
I'm not trying to bash our old tried and true lycoming and continentals, as
after all I fly one in my Lake Amphibian. But it is very old technology.
It would be the equivalent to thinking we could modify a Model T engine to
compete with modern automobile engines of today. No matter how much one
modified it, I doubt you could do so. Considering, our old aircraft engines
do pretty well overall. But when tested in grueling environments like
seaplanes operate regularly in, they just can't compete with the horsepower
to weight of the newer engines like the 912. When our airplanes are on
wheels, the performance differences are harder to distinguish, but the
differences are there none the less. Water opererations better demonstrate
an aircrafts true performance, and test all things to the max. Engines,
props, and airframes.
Just my two cents worth...
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
---- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> Just jumping into the cowl discussion again. We have an unused cowl - top
> and bottom - for an S5 with 0-200. But it is in Vienna Austria so not much
> good to our US friends. The original idea was to fit an 0-200 to the S5
> but
> the sale/purchase of the 0-200 fell through and we ended up with a Rotax
> 912S. We will sell the cowl if we can get some of the money back - it cost
> around 500 dollars - plus freight. All offers considered. Although we
> haven't flown yet ( we will soon) we sometimes wonder which is the better
> engine for the S5 - 0-200 or 912S? A second hand 0-200 is certainly
> cheaper
> than a new 912S. Our club has a Cessna 150 which has had the 0-200
> replaced
> by a 912S and which I have flown. It's a tough call and I know this is a
> very subjective debate. We came so close to fitting an 0-200.
> Kerry
>
>
>>From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:59:14 -0400
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>>
>>Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl for my "new" Series
>>5 project...
>>
>>Jeremy Casey
>>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
>>
>>P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling , If you don't mind me
>>asking?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: eccles [mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net]
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
>>
>>I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone interested contact me off
>>list
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
>>Unternaehrer
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>>
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
>><shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>>
>>If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW
>>engine
>>with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a
>>fair
>>question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys
>>brag
>>about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine
>>for
>>them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a
>>shot.
>> >
>> > Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a
>>lead
>>or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
>> >
>> > VW Flyer
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 0-200 vs 912 performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Paul,
I'm with you on the Rotax power...Skystar's Spec's showed that the 914
outperformed every other engine in every respect, but especially in cruise.
The Series 7 with a 914 had something like a 30mph higher cruise than with
the certified's...I'll fly behind a Rotax any day!
Andrew
>From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 0-200 vs 912 performance
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:09:59 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
>Kerry,
>
>All you have to do to know which engine is better is to put either airplane
>on floats. That is the true test if you want to know which engine will
>provide the most low end power. And if you really want to test an engines
>ability, put amphibious floats on the airplane. That definitely proves
>which engines work best for flat out thrust. Of course, it really boils
>down to the highest horsepower per horsepower, which the 912 excels a, as
>well as the two strokes. While I think the 0-200 is a great engine, it
>would barely get an amphibious kitfox off the water unless extremely
>modified and/or lightened. Even an IO-240 powered Fox at the higher
>horsepower is not going to perform as well as the 912. I believe if you
>look at Skystars specs on their airplanes (on wheels) you will find the
>turbocharged 914 to be the best performer even when compared to the IO-240.
>Incidentally, the high horsepower to weight of the two stroke 582 rotax
>powered Model IV kitfox on amphib floats would be a much better performer
>than would any of the aircraft engine versions with the exception of the
>912. How can that be? Simple, lots of power, and lighter than anything
>else out there.
>
>I'm not trying to bash our old tried and true lycoming and continentals, as
>after all I fly one in my Lake Amphibian. But it is very old technology.
>It would be the equivalent to thinking we could modify a Model T engine to
>compete with modern automobile engines of today. No matter how much one
>modified it, I doubt you could do so. Considering, our old aircraft
>engines
>do pretty well overall. But when tested in grueling environments like
>seaplanes operate regularly in, they just can't compete with the horsepower
>to weight of the newer engines like the 912. When our airplanes are on
>wheels, the performance differences are harder to distinguish, but the
>differences are there none the less. Water opererations better demonstrate
>an aircrafts true performance, and test all things to the max. Engines,
>props, and airframes.
>
>Just my two cents worth...
>
>Paul Seehafer
>Wisconsin
>
>---- Original Message -----
>From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> > <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Just jumping into the cowl discussion again. We have an unused cowl -
>top
> > and bottom - for an S5 with 0-200. But it is in Vienna Austria so not
>much
> > good to our US friends. The original idea was to fit an 0-200 to the S5
> > but
> > the sale/purchase of the 0-200 fell through and we ended up with a Rotax
> > 912S. We will sell the cowl if we can get some of the money back - it
>cost
> > around 500 dollars - plus freight. All offers considered. Although we
> > haven't flown yet ( we will soon) we sometimes wonder which is the
>better
> > engine for the S5 - 0-200 or 912S? A second hand 0-200 is certainly
> > cheaper
> > than a new 912S. Our club has a Cessna 150 which has had the 0-200
> > replaced
> > by a 912S and which I have flown. It's a tough call and I know this is a
> > very subjective debate. We came so close to fitting an 0-200.
> > Kerry
> >
> >
> >>From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:59:14 -0400
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
> >>
> >>Is the cowl still available? I'm in need of a cowl for my "new" Series
> >>5 project...
> >>
> >>Jeremy Casey
> >>jeremy@kilocharlie.us
> >>
> >>P.S. How did you end up with an "extra" cowling , If you don't mind me
> >>asking?
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: eccles [mailto:eccles@Chartermi.net]
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
> >>
> >>I have a round cowl off a series V,, anyone interested contact me off
> >>list
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
> >>Unternaehrer
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >>
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> >><shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> >>
> >>If you find one ,,I need one also, only for a Mod IV. Bob U.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Gary Olson" <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> >>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: S-7 Cowling
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> > I am in need of a cowling for my S7 that has a 2276 Great Plains VW
> >>engine
> >>with the reduction drive. You may ask why I am using a VW. This is a
> >>fair
> >>question. I live in Oshkosh and have been listening to the Sonex guys
> >>brag
> >>about what a fantastic engine the VW is. Well it maybe a great engine
> >>for
> >>them, but what about a Kitfox? I figured what the heck, lets give it a
> >>shot.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, I am looking for a cowling for this project. If anyone has a
> >>lead
> >>or can steer me the right way, I would appreciate it immensely.
> >> >
> >> > VW Flyer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NELSON GOGUEN" <mino2@verizon.net>
Alan,
I built a scoop in front of the oil cooler and have a sliding curved door
that is motor operated , with a panel guage to tell me the position of the
door. For the radiator I have a hinged aluminum flap behind the radiator
This is operated by a cable. I will be able to tell it's position by the
cable length. I will have a notched u shaped chanel on the console.
Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Heater
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> I am looking for some input on engine heat and heater for a 912s powered
> 5. I am used to a CAM 100 powered plane with lots of 185 degree water
> for cabin heat, and of course the thermostat keeps the engine happy
> also. I have used the oil thermostat on a previous 912s Kitfox and it
> helped the oil temp, but not the water, head temp, so I did not put it
> on this plane. I can't believe that this sophisticated little engine has
> nothing to control it's temp, and as a bonus give hot water for cabin
> heat. I am using duct tape to block some of the oil cooler and radiator,
> but that is really not very good. One of the most experienced builders,
> Sylvan, built a cowl flap to block exiting air which is what I will do
> unless someone has a better idea.
>
> Alan
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Alan,
I agree that running the 912's that cool concerns me too. I can't say I
know enough about the 912 to tell you what the answer is to getting coolant
to run warmer, but I would think there should be a better way than to have
to put tape over your radiator. Pretty antiquated when you consider how
complex the engine is otherwise. I know you can get oil line thermostats,
and heard they work well. Maybe someone else on the list that is a 912
inner workings expert can help answer these questions better?
I'm not surprised to hear your other engine ran 185 degrees, actually that
is kind of cool compared to modern automobile engines that use 207 degree
thermostats. Automakers know they need higher engine temps to make their
engines run more efficiently, and last longer. So it makes one wonder why
our engines would be any different? In fact, I would think our cold engine
temps and no thermostat would encourage shock cooling, plus would cause our
engines to run inefficiently due to unstable temps causing uneven fuel
jetting and atomization issues. But then again, like I eluded to earlier,
I'm not an engine expert.
As far as cabin heat goes, I think Avid came pretty close to having the heat
thing figured out when they attached a fibreglass scoop to the back of each
of their cowl cheek radiators, and then directed that warm air to the heat
muff, where it then entered the cabin. My buddy has a 912ul Avid Mark IV
with this setup and he gets lots of heat. Probably a lot harder to do on
our Foxes (unless you could possibly use maybe the oil cooler?) Or maybe we
could just run a reverse set up? (You know, run the heat-muff heat tube into
the radiator before it enters the cabin). One way or another, utilize all
the engine heat one can. The only downside with the Avid heat was that you
needed to remove the radiator scoops for summer flying so as not to overheat
the engine. Or at least this was true with the two strokes. I don't know
if thats the case on the 912, as my friend hasn't flown his 912 yet in real
hot weather.
For my own airplane I plan on installing a heat muff off both front exhaust
pipes (or stacks), run a scat tube down to the muffler can heat-muff, and
then run it into the cabin. I believe I will use the bilge fan idea so I
can avoid needing heat boxes or ram air from the cowl. I believe with this
3 heat-muff setup I should have more heat than I can stand. If for some
reason that doesn't do it, I can always resort to running the cabin heater
core setup in addition with that fan. But if the heat muff works like I
think it will, I will be able to save myself about 5 pounds of weight by
getting rid of the heater core and fan unit from under the panel. I'm
hoping it works out like I think it will as my airplane is a 80 hp 912ul
amphib, so weight is critical.
Anyone else have any ideas for our cabin heat issues, or how to control our
912 engine temps better without radiator shutters?
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
Thanks for responding Paul
>
> I noticed that the CT2K Light Sport plane which sells for about 90K uses
> muff heat. I have had great luck with the CAM 100 water heat as I said,
> but it keeps the coolant at 185 and I can fly down to zero without
> discomfort, but the same basic B&M transmission cooler with fans just
> does not get hot enough to do much good. I am also concerned about
> running the engine that cool, I just don't think it is good for it. I
> thought some of the 2 stroke Rotax had thermostats you could put in, but
> have never seen anything for the 912
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | I hate to ask... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I do believe that is where the shock donuts go. I just purchased new one
with washers,I have the old fixture that holds them. let me know if you are
interested in them off list.
Rick. So that part wasnt in the kit. Should look like a rod with a heavy
washes welded to one end and threaded on both ends.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Casey
Subject: Kitfox-List: I hate to ask...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Here is a link to a photo I put up.
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/shoffice/whatisit.jpg
Look at the circle in the picture.
This is a picture from a Kitfox Series 5 "Vixen" cage that I acquired
(along with everything except firewall forward) this summer and am
trying to get started on now. I have most of the manuals I believe and
after going through the whole thing (including the pile of manual
changes and revisions that the original kit owner kept as Skystar sent
them to him through the years) I can't determine what this little stub
tube does. Judging from the rather substantial bracing to the little
beastie, I kinda assumed it was a fairly important little stub. It is
in line with the mounts for the main gear spring and sticks out the
bottom enough that it will obviously hit the top of the grove gear.
What am I looking at here?
Jeremy Casey
KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc.
jeremy@kilocharlie.us
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I've seen Nelson's "improvements" first-hand, and they really are very
cool...some pictures would be nice Nelson!
Andrew
do not archive
>From: "NELSON GOGUEN" <mino2@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heater
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:29:26 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NELSON GOGUEN" <mino2@verizon.net>
>
>Alan,
>
>I built a scoop in front of the oil cooler and have a sliding curved door
>that is motor operated , with a panel guage to tell me the position of the
>door. For the radiator I have a hinged aluminum flap behind the radiator
>This is operated by a cable. I will be able to tell it's position by the
>cable length. I will have a notched u shaped chanel on the console.
>
>Nelson
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Heater
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> > <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
> >
> > I am looking for some input on engine heat and heater for a 912s powered
> > 5. I am used to a CAM 100 powered plane with lots of 185 degree water
> > for cabin heat, and of course the thermostat keeps the engine happy
> > also. I have used the oil thermostat on a previous 912s Kitfox and it
> > helped the oil temp, but not the water, head temp, so I did not put it
> > on this plane. I can't believe that this sophisticated little engine has
> > nothing to control it's temp, and as a bonus give hot water for cabin
> > heat. I am using duct tape to block some of the oil cooler and radiator,
> > but that is really not very good. One of the most experienced builders,
> > Sylvan, built a cowl flap to block exiting air which is what I will do
> > unless someone has a better idea.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Depends on which fiberglass,,,but none are MEK or Acetone. Polyester resin
is hardened with a ????peroxide, I think i've probably got a gallon that is
still good. Epoxys and vynl esters have their own special systems which are
not nuplicateable.... Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass hardener
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin? It seems to
me
> that it was just MEK or Acetone. Sure hate to pay $5.00 per little tube
> when I think I have a gallon or five.
> Ron NB Ore
>
>
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| Subject: | M4 Spdstr Radiator scoop increase speed much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All,
I just finished searching the forum messages high and low trying to find
info on how much speed benefit one might find when installing the Speedster
radiator scoop on a model IV, and if it improves cooling much. But I can't
seem to find any discussions except for the custom built NSI scoops. Anyone
have any info they could share on the scoop install? Before and after speed
changes, lower coolant temps, etc, etc
I seem to remember someone once claiming a 12 mph airspeed increase. After
re-reading the Jan 04 Sport Aviation article (pg 34) about radiators and
scoop design, I can believe that claim, but would really like to verify for
a friend that is trying to tweak his Model IV for every available mph.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Skystar site gone |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hope everyone got all they needed off of Skystars website, because it
appears to be gone now...
Paul Seehafer
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass hardener |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
The hardener for typical (polyester) resin used with Fiber Glass is MEKP methyl
ethyle keytone peroxide The only option I am aware of.
Richard
refitting Model 1
< Does anybody know what the hardener is for fiberglass resin?
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| Subject: | Skystar site gone |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Just went in to the Skystar site. Its still up and running
Regards
Graeme Toft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Seehafer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar site gone
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hope everyone got all they needed off of Skystars website, because it
appears to be gone now...
Paul Seehafer
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar site gone |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Looks gone to me.
Will it be possible to buy one of their demo planes via the chapter 7
proceedings?
On 10/26/05, QSS <msm@byterocky.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Just went in to the Skystar site. Its still up and running
>
> Regards
> Graeme Toft
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Seehafer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar site gone
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hope everyone got all they needed off of Skystars website, because it
> appears to be gone now...
>
> Paul Seehafer
>
>
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