Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:16 AM - CAP digital readout (Graeme Toft)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: CAP digital readout (Rick)
3. 08:07 AM - Ramp Check (Randy Daughenbaugh)
4. 08:32 AM - Re: Ramp Check (Don Pearsall)
5. 08:39 AM - Fw: Best day of my life (Tim Vader)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Ramp Check (James Shumaker)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Ramp Check (jdmcbean)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: Ramp Check (Jeffrey Puls)
9. 09:17 AM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Jeffrey Puls)
10. 09:57 AM - Pilots handling book (Paul)
11. 11:23 AM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Michel Verheughe)
12. 11:36 AM - Re: CAP digital readout (Brian Rodgers)
13. 01:01 PM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Tim Vader)
14. 02:19 PM - Re: CAP digital readout (Graeme Toft)
15. 02:46 PM - kitfox wanted (milton merideth)
16. 04:15 PM - Re: Ramp Check (John King)
17. 06:37 PM - Re: Ramp Check (John Stoner)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (kurt schrader)
19. 07:16 PM - Re: Gear attach points (Paul Seehafer)
20. 07:19 PM - "How to Fly a Kitfox" (kitfox2)
21. 07:19 PM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (ron schick)
22. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (Clem Nichols)
23. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (Randy Daughenbaugh)
24. 08:38 PM - Re: Ramp Check (Randy Daughenbaugh)
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| Subject: | CAP digital readout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop digital readout
and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has experienced the same.
When adjusting pitch the display is all over the paddock and I have to take
my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout so I can see where I'm at
with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad to clean up the area where the
brushes contact and it appears to help some what but the problem quickly returns.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | CAP digital readout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Graeme,
Might check and clean the cannon plug connector contacts on the firewall. I
would use some type of non residue cleaner on the disc contacts. Pull the
brushes to make sure one of them are not cracked or sticking. See if your
run out is good on the disc. All connections tight on the control box wires?
It could be the gage, doubt it but the switch it self may be the culprit.
The last thing I would check is the drive motor leads and its mounting.
Isn't chasing gremlins fun.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop digital
readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has experienced
the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the paddock and I
have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout so I can see
where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad to clean up
the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some what but the
problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
Randy - Just curious.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Randy,
I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be
discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to
go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help get
the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if
you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is
not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like
the Kitfox.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
Randy - Just curious.
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| Subject: | Fw: Best day of my life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Vader
Subject: FW: Best day of my life
From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca]
Subject: Best day of my life
Group
I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years while finishing
my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed every post and
learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction based on things
I read on the list. I feel like I know some of the people on the list from reading
their adventures. On May the 19th I moved my beauty out to the local grass
strip and let the MD-RA inspector (Canada) I was ready for my final inspection.
A weak later I had passed the inspection and was waiting for my flight
permit which arrived shortly. In the meantime I thought it would be a simple
formality to re-certify my private license and started along that route. I've
had a license since 1974 but haven't been current for many years. I used to own
a Jodel D-11 and had put many wonderful hours on it. The transport Canada
medical guys made me jump through all the hoops including a cardiac stress test
and ultimately a cardiac stress with a radioactive tracer in my bloodstream
and subsequent before and after gamma ray photos of my heart. When they couldn't
find anything wrong they finally had to give me back my license. It all took
about three months. I used the time wisely to test and tweak and ground run
my fox with an EA81. Taxi testing went very well and I was anxious to fly.
After doing a flight review and about three hours of taildragger dual time in
a Merlin I felt ready for my maiden flight.
August 26 around Calgary was a beautiful morning with clear sunny skies
and the Rockies off in the distance. I went for another check ride in the
Merlin and decided I was ready. My wife came out to witness and photo the event.
Take off was beautiful, climbout reasonable, and cruise reasonable. I
wasn't pushing anything to hard, just verifying numbers and feel. I did one circuit
and with everything running in the green did a flyby and went around for
another. The landing after the second circuit was one of the most satisfying
landings I ever did even with that little skip. I taxied back, shut down and
was congratulated by good airport friends and my wife. I checked out the aircraft
from nose to tail and found nothing amiss. After fueling up I had to get
more of that Kitfox joy and headed out again. New to the new aircraft I was
gingerly exploring the flight characteristics and performance of my new pride
and joy for three more circuits. When my wife hadn't returned with my son after
the third touch and go I thought I do a fourth and come in for a full stop.
Circuits are flown at our little strip at 500 ' AGL to remain well clear of
the control zone above us. To my great surprise and dismay my Subaru stopped
suddenly on the downwind. Too far from the airport to glide in (mistake) and
only at 500 feet (mistake) I didn't have much time. A quick attempt at a restart
was negative and awkward, left hand -key switch, right hand -throttle, knees
holding the stick and trying to maintain safe glide speed. I opted for a
hayfield (turf) to my right because all the cropped fields were soggy with the
torrential rains we had all year. On coming out of the turn I found myself a
little high and a little hot and a barbed wire fence running across my landing
path. I pulled on full flaps with a left wing low attitude close to the ground.
I had just read "So You Want To Fly A Kitfox" a half dozen times in the
past few days and knew that full flaps would reduce aileron effectiveness but
by the tim!
e I real
ized I had no aileron response it was too late. The left wingtip impacted first,
bounced up and then airborne and flying almost sideways the right wing and
gear hit next driving the front spar tube 3 feet into the sod and snapping it
off. The rear tube also 3 feet in was badly bent. The right Grove gear leg was
driven up under the fuselage. and caved in the fuselage under my butt. One
blade of the Ivo was bent up under the cowling and the hand crafted (200 hrs)
cowling was cracked and broken. The doors popped open and all loose items flew
out the right door. I saw a few stars but quickly got my belt off and was out
of the cabin with no injuries. No fuel leaks after the impact but rad was
broken with fluid running out.
Three days later back at the airport I took the prop off and attempted
a start. After a few backfires from mistakenly loading the manifold up with
fuel the engine fired and ran well. I only ran it for a short time because
of no coolant. I salvaged the fuel tank, lift struts, wingtip and lights from
the right wing but the rest was too beat up to do much with. I have the plane
back home now and will soon start the cut and replace in the fuselage. Grove
can rebend and heat treat the gear to new specs. I need three outboard ribs
for the left wing. The engine starts and runs well now. I have no Idea why
it quit in flight but I am still looking.
It was amazing to me that a thread ran on in the list for about a month
after my accident about not extending full flaps lest you lose aileron effectiveness.
I will definitely be putting a stop in the flap system during the
rebuild. I need a right wing and three outboard ribs for the left wing that
may be difficult to get now that Skystar has declared bankruptcy but I am talking
to others and getting good leads. I hope to be back flying by next summer.
On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well behaved
comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The ecstasy of the
first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident that day that could
easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I walked away unscathed
thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for that, August 26th was the
best day of my life.
Tim Vader
Calgary, Alberta
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Randy
Are you planning on flying in an airshow? The only ramp checks I have ever seen
performed were on airshow performers prior to their performance. They had to
repair any defects before flying. Anybody else ever seen a ramp check?
Jim Shumaker
Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
Randy - Just curious.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Been ramp checked a few times.. flying professionally and privately.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Shumaker
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Randy
Are you planning on flying in an airshow? The only ramp checks I have ever
seen performed were on airshow performers prior to their performance. They
had to repair any defects before flying. Anybody else ever seen a ramp
check?
Jim Shumaker
Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
Randy - Just curious.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
They only do the weight, balance and CG computations after the crash. Jeff
Ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/30/2005 11:29:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Randy,
> I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be
> discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to
> go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help
get
> the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if
> you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is
> not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like
> the Kitfox.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Daughenbaugh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
>
> Randy - Just curious.
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Best day of my life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Tim,
How long were you flying when that happened? If it was approximately 20
minutes I can tell you what happened to me. I was downwind after doing what
you did and a fuel low light came on. I landed and the light went out. What
I found out was I didn't have my fuel lines running exactly right. When I
landed and the tail came down the header filled back up when I was in a
three point attitude. Re-routed running downhill and have never had the
poblem again. Jeff Classic IV Ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/30/2005 11:36:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Vader
> To: Tim Vader
> Subject: FW: Best day of my life
>
>
> From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca]
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Best day of my life
>
>
> Group
>
> I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years
while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed
every post and learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction
based on things I read on the list. I feel like I know some of the people
on the list from reading their adventures. On May the 19th I moved my
beauty out to the local grass strip and let the MD-RA inspector (Canada) I
was ready for my final inspection. A weak later I had passed the
inspection and was waiting for my flight permit which arrived shortly. In
the meantime I thought it would be a simple formality to re-certify my
private license and started along that route. I've had a license since 1974
but haven't been current for many years. I used to own a Jodel D-11 and
had put many wonderful hours on it. The transport Canada medical guys made
me jump through all the hoops including a cardiac stress test and
ultimately a cardiac stress with a radioactive!
> tracer in my bloodstream and subsequent before and after gamma ray
photos of my heart. When they couldn't find anything wrong they finally
had to give me back my license. It all took about three months. I used
the time wisely to test and tweak and ground run my fox with an EA81. Taxi
testing went very well and I was anxious to fly. After doing a flight
review and about three hours of taildragger dual time in a Merlin I felt
ready for my maiden flight.
>
> August 26 around Calgary was a beautiful morning with clear
sunny skies and the Rockies off in the distance. I went for another check
ride in the Merlin and decided I was ready. My wife came out to witness
and photo the event. Take off was beautiful, climbout reasonable, and
cruise reasonable. I wasn't pushing anything to hard, just verifying
numbers and feel. I did one circuit and with everything running in the
green did a flyby and went around for another. The landing after the
second circuit was one of the most satisfying landings I ever did even with
that little skip. I taxied back, shut down and was congratulated by good
airport friends and my wife. I checked out the aircraft from nose to tail
and found nothing amiss. After fueling up I had to get more of that Kitfox
joy and headed out again. New to the new aircraft I was gingerly exploring
the flight characteristics and performance of my new pride and joy for
three more circuits. When my wife hadn!
> 't returned with my son after the third touch and go I thought I do a
fourth and come in for a full stop. Circuits are flown at our little strip
at 500 ' AGL to remain well clear of the control zone above us. To my
great surprise and dismay my Subaru stopped suddenly on the downwind. Too
far from the airport to glide in (mistake) and only at 500 feet (mistake) I
didn't have much time. A quick attempt at a restart was negative and
awkward, left hand -key switch, right hand -throttle, knees holding the
stick and trying to maintain safe glide speed. I opted for a hayfield
(turf) to my right because all the cropped fields were soggy with the
torrential rains we had all year. On coming out of the turn I found myself
a little high and a little hot and a barbed wire fence running across my
landing path. I pulled on full flaps with a left wing low attitude close
to the ground. I had just read "So You Want To Fly A Kitfox" a half dozen
times in the past few days and knew tha!
> t full flaps would reduce aileron effectiveness but by the tim!
> e I real
> ized I had no aileron response it was too late. The left wingtip
impacted first, bounced up and then airborne and flying almost sideways the
right wing and gear hit next driving the front spar tube 3 feet into the
sod and snapping it off. The rear tube also 3 feet in was badly bent. The
right Grove gear leg was driven up under the fuselage. and caved in the
fuselage under my butt. One blade of the Ivo was bent up under the cowling
and the hand crafted (200 hrs) cowling was cracked and broken. The doors
popped open and all loose items flew out the right door. I saw a few stars
but quickly got my belt off and was out of the cabin with no injuries. No
fuel leaks after the impact but rad was broken with fluid running out.
>
> Three days later back at the airport I took the prop off and
attempted a start. After a few backfires from mistakenly loading the
manifold up with fuel the engine fired and ran well. I only ran it for a
short time because of no coolant. I salvaged the fuel tank, lift struts,
wingtip and lights from the right wing but the rest was too beat up to do
much with. I have the plane back home now and will soon start the cut and
replace in the fuselage. Grove can rebend and heat treat the gear to new
specs. I need three outboard ribs for the left wing. The engine starts
and runs well now. I have no Idea why it quit in flight but I am still
looking.
>
> It was amazing to me that a thread ran on in the list for
about a month after my accident about not extending full flaps lest you
lose aileron effectiveness. I will definitely be putting a stop in the
flap system during the rebuild. I need a right wing and three outboard
ribs for the left wing that may be difficult to get now that Skystar has
declared bankruptcy but I am talking to others and getting good leads. I
hope to be back flying by next summer.
>
> On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well
behaved comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The
ecstasy of the first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident
that day that could easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I
walked away unscathed thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for
that, August 26th was the best day of my life.
>
>
> Tim Vader
>
> Calgary, Alberta
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pilots handling book |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ed Down's how to fly a kitfox
book, or alternatively does anyone have one that they would like to sell
please ?
Thanks,
Paul
UK
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Best day of my life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Tim Vader wrote:
> August 26th was the best day of my life.
No Tim, it was the best day of your life, so far! The real best day is to come.
The day your repaired aircraft will fly again and you'll head west toward Banff
and the beautiful Rocky Mountains. Good luck, my friend!
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CAP digital readout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
Graeme,
Our CAP140 blade angle gage is also inoperative.
It had been just flashing wildly different numbers, but after a recent
"reset", it has been displaying only "52". Haven't had time to mess with
sorting it out, but rumor has it that a new chip may be required in the
'black box'.
If we get around to sorting it out, I'll post the results. Please do the
same.
Brian
IV/912 CAP 140
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop
digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has
experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the
paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout
so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad
to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some
what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Cheers
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Best day of my life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
Jeff
I don't think it was a fuel problem for a couple of reasons. 1) I had
installed a low fuel warning system in the header tank after reading about
long shallow descents in the list and the chance that the fuel would all be
in the forward areas of the wing tanks, not over the pickup at the rear of
the tanks. I didn't notice the low fuel warning light come on in the middle
of my panel. 2) The engine quit without a cough or a sputter which I would
have expected with a fuel issue. In fact in my mind I can remember the
instant the prop stopped in front of my face and my first thought was that
the ignition failed. Thanks for your input Jeff, I certainly will pay
attention to fuel line routing when I put it all back together again.
By the way my ignition system is the Leburg system from England. I
installed it as a single system. I checked the ground to the system and it
is solid. The plane starts and runs well in my garage now. I had 50 hours
of ground running on the engine before my first flight. I also am running
the Aerocarb from the Sonex guys with a main and auxiliary fuel pump. I
found it difficult to set up but once set up it runs well and is very
simple.
Tim Vader
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Tim,
> How long were you flying when that happened? If it was approximately 20
> minutes I can tell you what happened to me. I was downwind after doing
> what
> you did and a fuel low light came on. I landed and the light went out.
> What
> I found out was I didn't have my fuel lines running exactly right. When I
> landed and the tail came down the header filled back up when I was in a
> three point attitude. Re-routed running downhill and have never had the
> poblem again. Jeff Classic IV Ohio
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 10/30/2005 11:36:36 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tim Vader
>> To: Tim Vader
>> Subject: FW: Best day of my life
>>
>>
>> From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca]
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Best day of my life
>>
>>
>> Group
>>
>> I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years
> while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed
> every post and learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction
> based on things I read on the list.
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| Subject: | Re: CAP digital readout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for the replys Ive recieved. I'll try all the remedies suggested. My
problem isnt as bad as yours Brian but annoying none the less.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
>
> Graeme,
> Our CAP140 blade angle gage is also inoperative.
> It had been just flashing wildly different numbers, but after a recent
> "reset", it has been displaying only "52". Haven't had time to mess with
> sorting it out, but rumor has it that a new chip may be required in the
> 'black box'.
> If we get around to sorting it out, I'll post the results. Please do the
> same.
> Brian
> IV/912 CAP 140
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>
>> HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop
> digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has
> experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the
> paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the
> readout
> so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright
> pad
> to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some
> what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Graeme Toft
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Randy,
I have been ramp checked twice, once in Fairbanks, Alaska and once at
Key West, Florida. Both times they just asked questions ---- very
friendly.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
>
>Randy - Just curious.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" <john@dakotacubaircraft.com>
I was ramp checked once. An FAA guy in a citabria followed me until I
landed at SXQ, and then taxied up close to me and introduced himself. We
had just started with the paperwork when a Super Cub taxied up near us and
three people got out. Quick end to ramp check, bigger fish to fry I guess.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi everybody!
I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as
from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my
move from KY to FL.
If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to
FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov
2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the
first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia.
I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to
northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in
the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right
distance, but they don't list mogas.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Gear attach points |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I would strongly recommend NOT REMOVING those gear attach brackets. One day
you (or a new owner?) might want to install floats, or skis as you
suggested. The little bit of weight and drag you will lose by removing
those brackets would probably not even be measurable. Plus, should you ever
decide to sell you airplane, it could kill the deal if it was someone like
me that would want to use the Kitfoxes extraordinary ability to handle any
kind of gear (floats, skis, or either kind of landing gear system, bungees
or spring). A fox without the brackets would have no value to me as it
would be limited to just a spring landing gear. No options for anything
else.
Just my advice...
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gear attach points
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
>
> I am building a Series 5 with the Grove gear. Anyone know of a reason not
> to remove the bungee gear attachment points from the fuselage? Anyone one
> on skis use the rear attachment for the rear ski cable? Thanks
>
>
>
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| Subject: | "How to Fly a Kitfox" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfox2" <ontario101@cogeco.ca>
I am also looking for a copy of "How To Fly a Kitfox". I was going to order one
just as Skystar went under. Thanks.
Mike Crutchlow
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Kitfox model 2
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| Subject: | Fw: Best day of my life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Tim I am sorry to hear about your setback. It is somewhat of an
encouragement to feel what your plane is like even for the short time you
flew. I can not offer any thoughts on the power outage other than the usual
carb ice, or in the case of several soob powered planes, electrical
failures.
I will be running a tempermental VW on my Kitfox IV and expect to at least
foul an occasional plug. It will take hours before I trust it to fly over
unlandable terrain. It is the point of no return on the runway that is a
danger to me. Glad to hear of your survival and the enthusiasm to try
again.
Ron NB Ore
>From: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life
>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:33:31 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tim Vader
>To: Tim Vader
>Subject: FW: Best day of my life
>
>
>From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca]
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Best day of my life
>
>
>Group
>
> I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years
>while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed
>every post and learned a lot of things.
> On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well
>behaved comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The
>ecstasy of the first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident
>that day that could easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I
>walked away unscathed thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for
>that, August 26th was the best day of my life.
>
>
>Tim Vader
>
>Calgary, Alberta
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Kurt:
Good to hear from you. I had begun to think you'd been blown away by one of
the hurricanes.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi everybody!
>
> I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as
> from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my
> move from KY to FL.
>
> If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to
> FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov
> 2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the
> first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia.
>
> I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to
> northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in
> the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right
> distance, but they don't list mogas.
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Welcome back Kurt! I have learned a lot from your posts.
I know that there are at least two web sites that list airports with Mogas
or auto-gas, but I can't find them in my favorites list.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi everybody!
I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as
from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my
move from KY to FL.
If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to
FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov
2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the
first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia.
I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to
northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in
the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right
distance, but they don't list mogas.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Thanks all! Somehow the other comments were more reassuring than Jeff's.
I have been looking for an opportunity to take advantage of the PACE
program. I think all my paper work is correct, but...
Randy -- way under gross most of the time - and always within CG range!
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
They only do the weight, balance and CG computations after the crash. Jeff
Ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/30/2005 11:29:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Randy,
> I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be
> discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to
> go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help
get
> the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if
> you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is
> not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like
> the Kitfox.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Daughenbaugh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check?
>
> Randy - Just curious.
>
>
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