---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/30/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:16 AM - CAP digital readout (Graeme Toft) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: CAP digital readout (Rick) 3. 08:07 AM - Ramp Check (Randy Daughenbaugh) 4. 08:32 AM - Re: Ramp Check (Don Pearsall) 5. 08:39 AM - Fw: Best day of my life (Tim Vader) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: Ramp Check (James Shumaker) 7. 08:55 AM - Re: Ramp Check (jdmcbean) 8. 09:07 AM - Re: Ramp Check (Jeffrey Puls) 9. 09:17 AM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Jeffrey Puls) 10. 09:57 AM - Pilots handling book (Paul) 11. 11:23 AM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Michel Verheughe) 12. 11:36 AM - Re: CAP digital readout (Brian Rodgers) 13. 01:01 PM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (Tim Vader) 14. 02:19 PM - Re: CAP digital readout (Graeme Toft) 15. 02:46 PM - kitfox wanted (milton merideth) 16. 04:15 PM - Re: Ramp Check (John King) 17. 06:37 PM - Re: Ramp Check (John Stoner) 18. 06:55 PM - Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (kurt schrader) 19. 07:16 PM - Re: Gear attach points (Paul Seehafer) 20. 07:19 PM - "How to Fly a Kitfox" (kitfox2) 21. 07:19 PM - Re: Fw: Best day of my life (ron schick) 22. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (Clem Nichols) 23. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas (Randy Daughenbaugh) 24. 08:38 PM - Re: Ramp Check (Randy Daughenbaugh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:14 AM PST US From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas? Cheers Graeme Toft ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:31 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Graeme, Might check and clean the cannon plug connector contacts on the firewall. I would use some type of non residue cleaner on the disc contacts. Pull the brushes to make sure one of them are not cracked or sticking. See if your run out is good on the disc. All connections tight on the control box wires? It could be the gage, doubt it but the switch it self may be the culprit. The last thing I would check is the drive motor leads and its mounting. Isn't chasing gremlins fun. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas? Cheers Graeme Toft ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:49 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? Randy - Just curious. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:48 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Randy, I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help get the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like the Kitfox. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Daughenbaugh Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? Randy - Just curious. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:38 AM PST US From: "Tim Vader" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Vader Subject: FW: Best day of my life From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca] Subject: Best day of my life Group I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed every post and learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction based on things I read on the list. I feel like I know some of the people on the list from reading their adventures. On May the 19th I moved my beauty out to the local grass strip and let the MD-RA inspector (Canada) I was ready for my final inspection. A weak later I had passed the inspection and was waiting for my flight permit which arrived shortly. In the meantime I thought it would be a simple formality to re-certify my private license and started along that route. I've had a license since 1974 but haven't been current for many years. I used to own a Jodel D-11 and had put many wonderful hours on it. The transport Canada medical guys made me jump through all the hoops including a cardiac stress test and ultimately a cardiac stress with a radioactive tracer in my bloodstream and subsequent before and after gamma ray photos of my heart. When they couldn't find anything wrong they finally had to give me back my license. It all took about three months. I used the time wisely to test and tweak and ground run my fox with an EA81. Taxi testing went very well and I was anxious to fly. After doing a flight review and about three hours of taildragger dual time in a Merlin I felt ready for my maiden flight. August 26 around Calgary was a beautiful morning with clear sunny skies and the Rockies off in the distance. I went for another check ride in the Merlin and decided I was ready. My wife came out to witness and photo the event. Take off was beautiful, climbout reasonable, and cruise reasonable. I wasn't pushing anything to hard, just verifying numbers and feel. I did one circuit and with everything running in the green did a flyby and went around for another. The landing after the second circuit was one of the most satisfying landings I ever did even with that little skip. I taxied back, shut down and was congratulated by good airport friends and my wife. I checked out the aircraft from nose to tail and found nothing amiss. After fueling up I had to get more of that Kitfox joy and headed out again. New to the new aircraft I was gingerly exploring the flight characteristics and performance of my new pride and joy for three more circuits. When my wife hadn't returned with my son after the third touch and go I thought I do a fourth and come in for a full stop. Circuits are flown at our little strip at 500 ' AGL to remain well clear of the control zone above us. To my great surprise and dismay my Subaru stopped suddenly on the downwind. Too far from the airport to glide in (mistake) and only at 500 feet (mistake) I didn't have much time. A quick attempt at a restart was negative and awkward, left hand -key switch, right hand -throttle, knees holding the stick and trying to maintain safe glide speed. I opted for a hayfield (turf) to my right because all the cropped fields were soggy with the torrential rains we had all year. On coming out of the turn I found myself a little high and a little hot and a barbed wire fence running across my landing path. I pulled on full flaps with a left wing low attitude close to the ground. I had just read "So You Want To Fly A Kitfox" a half dozen times in the past few days and knew that full flaps would reduce aileron effectiveness but by the tim! e I real ized I had no aileron response it was too late. The left wingtip impacted first, bounced up and then airborne and flying almost sideways the right wing and gear hit next driving the front spar tube 3 feet into the sod and snapping it off. The rear tube also 3 feet in was badly bent. The right Grove gear leg was driven up under the fuselage. and caved in the fuselage under my butt. One blade of the Ivo was bent up under the cowling and the hand crafted (200 hrs) cowling was cracked and broken. The doors popped open and all loose items flew out the right door. I saw a few stars but quickly got my belt off and was out of the cabin with no injuries. No fuel leaks after the impact but rad was broken with fluid running out. Three days later back at the airport I took the prop off and attempted a start. After a few backfires from mistakenly loading the manifold up with fuel the engine fired and ran well. I only ran it for a short time because of no coolant. I salvaged the fuel tank, lift struts, wingtip and lights from the right wing but the rest was too beat up to do much with. I have the plane back home now and will soon start the cut and replace in the fuselage. Grove can rebend and heat treat the gear to new specs. I need three outboard ribs for the left wing. The engine starts and runs well now. I have no Idea why it quit in flight but I am still looking. It was amazing to me that a thread ran on in the list for about a month after my accident about not extending full flaps lest you lose aileron effectiveness. I will definitely be putting a stop in the flap system during the rebuild. I need a right wing and three outboard ribs for the left wing that may be difficult to get now that Skystar has declared bankruptcy but I am talking to others and getting good leads. I hope to be back flying by next summer. On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well behaved comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The ecstasy of the first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident that day that could easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I walked away unscathed thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for that, August 26th was the best day of my life. Tim Vader Calgary, Alberta ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:24 AM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Randy Are you planning on flying in an airshow? The only ramp checks I have ever seen performed were on airshow performers prior to their performance. They had to repair any defects before flying. Anybody else ever seen a ramp check? Jim Shumaker Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? Randy - Just curious. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:23 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Been ramp checked a few times.. flying professionally and privately. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Randy Are you planning on flying in an airshow? The only ramp checks I have ever seen performed were on airshow performers prior to their performance. They had to repair any defects before flying. Anybody else ever seen a ramp check? Jim Shumaker Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? Randy - Just curious. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:29 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" They only do the weight, balance and CG computations after the crash. Jeff Ohio > [Original Message] > From: Don Pearsall > To: > Date: 10/30/2005 11:29:39 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > Randy, > I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be > discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to > go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help get > the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if > you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is > not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like > the Kitfox. > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Daughenbaugh > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > > What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? > > Randy - Just curious. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:53 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" Tim, How long were you flying when that happened? If it was approximately 20 minutes I can tell you what happened to me. I was downwind after doing what you did and a fuel low light came on. I landed and the light went out. What I found out was I didn't have my fuel lines running exactly right. When I landed and the tail came down the header filled back up when I was in a three point attitude. Re-routed running downhill and have never had the poblem again. Jeff Classic IV Ohio > [Original Message] > From: Tim Vader > To: > Date: 10/30/2005 11:36:36 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Vader > To: Tim Vader > Subject: FW: Best day of my life > > > From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca] > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Best day of my life > > > Group > > I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed every post and learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction based on things I read on the list. I feel like I know some of the people on the list from reading their adventures. On May the 19th I moved my beauty out to the local grass strip and let the MD-RA inspector (Canada) I was ready for my final inspection. A weak later I had passed the inspection and was waiting for my flight permit which arrived shortly. In the meantime I thought it would be a simple formality to re-certify my private license and started along that route. I've had a license since 1974 but haven't been current for many years. I used to own a Jodel D-11 and had put many wonderful hours on it. The transport Canada medical guys made me jump through all the hoops including a cardiac stress test and ultimately a cardiac stress with a radioactive! > tracer in my bloodstream and subsequent before and after gamma ray photos of my heart. When they couldn't find anything wrong they finally had to give me back my license. It all took about three months. I used the time wisely to test and tweak and ground run my fox with an EA81. Taxi testing went very well and I was anxious to fly. After doing a flight review and about three hours of taildragger dual time in a Merlin I felt ready for my maiden flight. > > August 26 around Calgary was a beautiful morning with clear sunny skies and the Rockies off in the distance. I went for another check ride in the Merlin and decided I was ready. My wife came out to witness and photo the event. Take off was beautiful, climbout reasonable, and cruise reasonable. I wasn't pushing anything to hard, just verifying numbers and feel. I did one circuit and with everything running in the green did a flyby and went around for another. The landing after the second circuit was one of the most satisfying landings I ever did even with that little skip. I taxied back, shut down and was congratulated by good airport friends and my wife. I checked out the aircraft from nose to tail and found nothing amiss. After fueling up I had to get more of that Kitfox joy and headed out again. New to the new aircraft I was gingerly exploring the flight characteristics and performance of my new pride and joy for three more circuits. When my wife hadn! > 't returned with my son after the third touch and go I thought I do a fourth and come in for a full stop. Circuits are flown at our little strip at 500 ' AGL to remain well clear of the control zone above us. To my great surprise and dismay my Subaru stopped suddenly on the downwind. Too far from the airport to glide in (mistake) and only at 500 feet (mistake) I didn't have much time. A quick attempt at a restart was negative and awkward, left hand -key switch, right hand -throttle, knees holding the stick and trying to maintain safe glide speed. I opted for a hayfield (turf) to my right because all the cropped fields were soggy with the torrential rains we had all year. On coming out of the turn I found myself a little high and a little hot and a barbed wire fence running across my landing path. I pulled on full flaps with a left wing low attitude close to the ground. I had just read "So You Want To Fly A Kitfox" a half dozen times in the past few days and knew tha! > t full flaps would reduce aileron effectiveness but by the tim! > e I real > ized I had no aileron response it was too late. The left wingtip impacted first, bounced up and then airborne and flying almost sideways the right wing and gear hit next driving the front spar tube 3 feet into the sod and snapping it off. The rear tube also 3 feet in was badly bent. The right Grove gear leg was driven up under the fuselage. and caved in the fuselage under my butt. One blade of the Ivo was bent up under the cowling and the hand crafted (200 hrs) cowling was cracked and broken. The doors popped open and all loose items flew out the right door. I saw a few stars but quickly got my belt off and was out of the cabin with no injuries. No fuel leaks after the impact but rad was broken with fluid running out. > > Three days later back at the airport I took the prop off and attempted a start. After a few backfires from mistakenly loading the manifold up with fuel the engine fired and ran well. I only ran it for a short time because of no coolant. I salvaged the fuel tank, lift struts, wingtip and lights from the right wing but the rest was too beat up to do much with. I have the plane back home now and will soon start the cut and replace in the fuselage. Grove can rebend and heat treat the gear to new specs. I need three outboard ribs for the left wing. The engine starts and runs well now. I have no Idea why it quit in flight but I am still looking. > > It was amazing to me that a thread ran on in the list for about a month after my accident about not extending full flaps lest you lose aileron effectiveness. I will definitely be putting a stop in the flap system during the rebuild. I need a right wing and three outboard ribs for the left wing that may be difficult to get now that Skystar has declared bankruptcy but I am talking to others and getting good leads. I hope to be back flying by next summer. > > On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well behaved comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The ecstasy of the first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident that day that could easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I walked away unscathed thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for that, August 26th was the best day of my life. > > > Tim Vader > > Calgary, Alberta > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:36 AM PST US From: "Paul" Subject: Kitfox-List: Pilots handling book --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ed Down's how to fly a kitfox book, or alternatively does anyone have one that they would like to sell please ? Thanks, Paul UK ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:56 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Tim Vader wrote: > August 26th was the best day of my life. No Tim, it was the best day of your life, so far! The real best day is to come. The day your repaired aircraft will fly again and you'll head west toward Banff and the beautiful Rocky Mountains. Good luck, my friend! Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:31 AM PST US From: "Brian Rodgers" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" Graeme, Our CAP140 blade angle gage is also inoperative. It had been just flashing wildly different numbers, but after a recent "reset", it has been displaying only "52". Haven't had time to mess with sorting it out, but rumor has it that a new chip may be required in the 'black box'. If we get around to sorting it out, I'll post the results. Please do the same. Brian IV/912 CAP 140 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" > > HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the readout so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright pad to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Cheers > Graeme Toft > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:46 PM PST US From: "Tim Vader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" Jeff I don't think it was a fuel problem for a couple of reasons. 1) I had installed a low fuel warning system in the header tank after reading about long shallow descents in the list and the chance that the fuel would all be in the forward areas of the wing tanks, not over the pickup at the rear of the tanks. I didn't notice the low fuel warning light come on in the middle of my panel. 2) The engine quit without a cough or a sputter which I would have expected with a fuel issue. In fact in my mind I can remember the instant the prop stopped in front of my face and my first thought was that the ignition failed. Thanks for your input Jeff, I certainly will pay attention to fuel line routing when I put it all back together again. By the way my ignition system is the Leburg system from England. I installed it as a single system. I checked the ground to the system and it is solid. The plane starts and runs well in my garage now. I had 50 hours of ground running on the engine before my first flight. I also am running the Aerocarb from the Sonex guys with a main and auxiliary fuel pump. I found it difficult to set up but once set up it runs well and is very simple. Tim Vader ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > Tim, > How long were you flying when that happened? If it was approximately 20 > minutes I can tell you what happened to me. I was downwind after doing > what > you did and a fuel low light came on. I landed and the light went out. > What > I found out was I didn't have my fuel lines running exactly right. When I > landed and the tail came down the header filled back up when I was in a > three point attitude. Re-routed running downhill and have never had the > poblem again. Jeff Classic IV Ohio > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Tim Vader >> To: >> Date: 10/30/2005 11:36:36 AM >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tim Vader >> To: Tim Vader >> Subject: FW: Best day of my life >> >> >> From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca] >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Best day of my life >> >> >> Group >> >> I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years > while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed > every post and learned a lot of things. I made changes in my construction > based on things I read on the list. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:45 PM PST US From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" Thanks for the replys Ive recieved. I'll try all the remedies suggested. My problem isnt as bad as yours Brian but annoying none the less. Cheers Graeme Toft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rodgers" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" > > Graeme, > Our CAP140 blade angle gage is also inoperative. > It had been just flashing wildly different numbers, but after a recent > "reset", it has been displaying only "52". Haven't had time to mess with > sorting it out, but rumor has it that a new chip may be required in the > 'black box'. > If we get around to sorting it out, I'll post the results. Please do the > same. > Brian > IV/912 CAP 140 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graeme Toft" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP digital readout > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" >> >> HI Guys, Im experiencing some erroneous readings on my electric prop > digital readout and was wondering if anyone else with a CAP system has > experienced the same. When adjusting pitch the display is all over the > paddock and I have to take my finger of the switch to stabilise the > readout > so I can see where I'm at with the setting. I have used a scotch bright > pad > to clean up the area where the brushes contact and it appears to help some > what but the problem quickly returns. Does anyone have any ideas? >> >> Cheers >> Graeme Toft >> >> > > > -- > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:04 PM PST US From: milton merideth Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox wanted --> Kitfox-List message posted by: milton merideth Am looking for a model 4 w/912, Cash buyer. 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Both times they just asked questions ---- very friendly. -- John King Warrenton, VA Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > >What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? > >Randy - Just curious. > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:58 PM PST US From: "John Stoner" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Stoner" I was ramp checked once. An FAA guy in a citabria followed me until I landed at SXQ, and then taxied up close to me and introduced himself. We had just started with the paperwork when a Super Cub taxied up near us and three people got out. Quick end to ramp check, bigger fish to fry I guess. Regards, John Stoner KF III, 582 Alaska ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:31 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi everybody! I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my move from KY to FL. If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov 2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia. I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right distance, but they don't list mogas. Kurt S. __________________________________ http://farechase.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:12 PM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gear attach points --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" I would strongly recommend NOT REMOVING those gear attach brackets. One day you (or a new owner?) might want to install floats, or skis as you suggested. The little bit of weight and drag you will lose by removing those brackets would probably not even be measurable. Plus, should you ever decide to sell you airplane, it could kill the deal if it was someone like me that would want to use the Kitfoxes extraordinary ability to handle any kind of gear (floats, skis, or either kind of landing gear system, bungees or spring). A fox without the brackets would have no value to me as it would be limited to just a spring landing gear. No options for anything else. Just my advice... Paul Seehafer Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zimmermans" Subject: Kitfox-List: Gear attach points > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" > > I am building a Series 5 with the Grove gear. Anyone know of a reason not > to remove the bungee gear attachment points from the fuselage? Anyone one > on skis use the rear attachment for the rear ski cable? Thanks > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:19 PM PST US From: "kitfox2" Subject: Kitfox-List: "How to Fly a Kitfox" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfox2" I am also looking for a copy of "How To Fly a Kitfox". I was going to order one just as Skystar went under. Thanks. Mike Crutchlow Burlington, Ontario, Canada Kitfox model 2 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:59 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Tim I am sorry to hear about your setback. It is somewhat of an encouragement to feel what your plane is like even for the short time you flew. I can not offer any thoughts on the power outage other than the usual carb ice, or in the case of several soob powered planes, electrical failures. I will be running a tempermental VW on my Kitfox IV and expect to at least foul an occasional plug. It will take hours before I trust it to fly over unlandable terrain. It is the point of no return on the runway that is a danger to me. Glad to hear of your survival and the enthusiasm to try again. Ron NB Ore >From: "Tim Vader" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Best day of my life >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:33:31 -0600 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Vader >To: Tim Vader >Subject: FW: Best day of my life > > >From: Tim Vader [mailto:vadert@shaw.ca] >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Best day of my life > > >Group > > I've been a lurker on the Kitfox list for the past 2 years >while finishing my 5 year build on my Classic IV. I've read and enjoyed >every post and learned a lot of things. > On August 26th I got to be a test pilot in a beautiful, well >behaved comfortable aircraft that I built lovingly over 5 years. The >ecstasy of the first flight will stay with me forever. I had an accident >that day that could easily have taken my life or seriously injured me but I >walked away unscathed thanks to skill or luck or some other reason and for >that, August 26th was the best day of my life. > > >Tim Vader > >Calgary, Alberta > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:23 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Kurt: Good to hear from you. I had begun to think you'd been blown away by one of the hurricanes. Clem Nichols Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > > Hi everybody! > > I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as > from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my > move from KY to FL. > > If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to > FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov > 2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the > first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia. > > I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to > northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in > the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right > distance, but they don't list mogas. > > Kurt S. > > > __________________________________ > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:15 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Welcome back Kurt! I have learned a lot from your posts. I know that there are at least two web sites that list airports with Mogas or auto-gas, but I can't find them in my favorites list. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - Georgia MoGas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi everybody! I am back on the list. Not quite as big a move as from Alaska to Texas, but I am near completion of my move from KY to FL. If WX allows, I expect to be flying My S-5 from KY to FL between Wed and Friday this coming week. (Nov 2-4)Route of flight is probably down V-51 with the first fuel stop at AJR, Habersham Co, Georgia. I need a mogas fuel stop somewhere in S.E. Georgia to northen most FL. Anybody know of a good mogas stop in the area? Bacon Co GA is just about the right distance, but they don't list mogas. Kurt S. __________________________________ http://farechase.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:16 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Thanks all! Somehow the other comments were more reassuring than Jeff's. I have been looking for an opportunity to take advantage of the PACE program. I think all my paper work is correct, but... Randy -- way under gross most of the time - and always within CG range! . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" They only do the weight, balance and CG computations after the crash. Jeff Ohio > [Original Message] > From: Don Pearsall > To: > Date: 10/30/2005 11:29:39 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > Randy, > I don't know anything about the penalties, but how would over gross be > discovered on a ramp check? Just think of the length the FAA would have to > go through to find out. They would have to bring in scales, guys to help get > the plane on scales, etc. Most of the time, a ramp check is to find out if > you, the pilot and the plane has the proper documents and equipment. It is > not really for determining airworthiness, especially for experimental like > the Kitfox. > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy > Daughenbaugh > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Ramp Check > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > > What is the penalty for being over gross at a ramp check? > > Randy - Just curious. > >