Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:15 AM - What's Being Said... (Matt Dralle)
2. 12:56 AM - Kitfox movies (Graeme Toft)
3. 02:34 AM - Re: CAM 100's (kurt schrader)
4. 03:52 AM - Re: The trouble with gascolators (kitfoxjunky)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: Stick Boots (Clifford Begnaud)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Stick Boots (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Stick Boots (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: Stick Boots (Clifford Begnaud)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Tricycle gear (Michael Gibbs)
10. 07:56 AM - Re: Stick Boots (jdmcbean)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: Kitfox movies (Rex Hefferan)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: Stick Boots (Gary Olson)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: New wing? (David Savener)
14. 10:16 AM - KF 7 baggage door instructions/pics (Harris, Robert)
15. 11:02 AM - Re: CAM 100's (Alan & Linda Daniels)
16. 11:27 AM - Re: New wing? (David Savener)
17. 01:16 PM - Kitfox 6 airfoil ()
18. 01:17 PM - Re: Stick Boots (John Anderson)
19. 02:14 PM - Re: Kitfox movies (Alan & Linda Daniels)
20. 02:31 PM - Re: Kitfox movies (Rick)
21. 03:11 PM - Re: Kitfox movies (Donna and Roger McConnell)
22. 03:42 PM - Re: Kitfox movies (John Disher)
23. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: 914 (Ted Palamarek)
24. 04:24 PM - Re: Kitfox Aerobatics (David Savener)
25. 04:33 PM - Re: Tricycle gear (Rex & Jan Shaw)
26. 07:20 PM - Re: Kitfox 6 airfoil (Jerry Liles)
27. 07:23 PM - Re: Kitfox movies (Rex Hefferan)
28. 07:50 PM - Re: Kitfox 6 airfoil (kurt schrader)
29. 08:04 PM - Re: Stick Boots (Randy Daughenbaugh)
30. 11:52 PM - SV: Kitfox movies (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | What's Being Said... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Has anyone ever noticed that watching flying movies makes you what to commit aviation.
I have just spent quite a few hours glued to the TV viewing the DVD's
Grant Fluent sent over. What a buzz but just realised its the middle of the night.
Bugger!!!!. Hey Rex, bet you didnt know they do barrel roles.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Alan,
That sounds like a sweet engine and not much more
trouble to install than many others have had. I
thought maybe you would have had to add a lower front
bump to house the bottom front of the motor, but guess
it fit pretty well. Must make a nice hummm, like you
do when you pull up to the pumps.
kurt S.
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--- Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> wrote:
> The CAM 100 has a max continuous run of 5300 RPM,
> but that is
> conservative. The engine itself is as close to
> bullet proof as you can
> get.................
> >
> >Hi Alan,
> >
> >Someone recently told me that you can run the CAM
> >100's at 5500 rpm all day. Is that true? Did you
> >have to make extensive cowl changes? How do you
> like
> >it otherwise? They were just a little too new for
> me
> >to consider when I bought my engine.
> >
> >Kurt S.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: The trouble with gascolators |
Serialize complete at 11/07/2005 06:50:18 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have had a small drip coming out of my gascolator for the last few days.
Found that if I cycled it in and out a few times the drip would stop.
Perhaps I will take a closer look at it after reading this.
Thanks for the heads up Kurt.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
Someone gave me some very nice black leather that I would to form into a
pair of boots. I just need a cutting template.
Cliff
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> Cliff,
> Are you just looking for a boot ??
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cliff,
My wife made me some boots out of the same material she made the cushions
from. Each is made of four triangles of material sown into a pyramid and
attached to the floor board with Velcro. I don't think the triangles are
all the same size. If this is of interest to you, I can get dimensions from
this.
It is not a cone but sits on a rectangular base.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
Someone gave me some very nice black leather that I would to form into a
pair of boots. I just need a cutting template.
Cliff
do not archive
> Cliff,
> Are you just looking for a boot ??
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Cliff,
Flying a model IV, the only experience I have had with boots was with a 1923
Marmon Four Passenger Coupe I restored. In this situation, the boots were
on the steering arm under the car to protect the ball joint from mud etc. -
no such thing as seals in those days. I also wanted to use leather as that
was what they used originally. I got a scrap piece of vinyl and cut and
fit. I had a large sewing machine that helped, but after a lot of trial and
error, it was simple to just cut the threads out of the vinyl design winner
and use that as a pattern. A little effort, but I got what I wanted -
exactly.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> John,
> Someone gave me some very nice black leather that I would to form into a
> pair of boots. I just need a cutting template.
> Cliff
> do not archive
>
>> Cliff,
>> Are you just looking for a boot ??
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Randy,
This is what I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Cliff do not archive
>
>
> Cliff,
> My wife made me some boots out of the same material she made the cushions
> from. Each is made of four triangles of material sown into a pyramid and
> attached to the floor board with Velcro. I don't think the triangles are
> all the same size. If this is of interest to you, I can get dimensions
> from
> this.
>
> It is not a cone but sits on a rectangular base.
>
> Randy
>
> .
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>Does anyone know of a supplier of nose wheel conversions for Kitfox IV
Eric,
Murle Williams did my nose wheel conversion, he may be able to help
you. Give him a call at (602) 978-0553 or his e-mail address is on
the web page: <http://www.MurleWilliamsAviation.com>.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I'll se if I can get the template...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
Someone gave me some very nice black leather that I would to form into a
pair of boots. I just need a cutting template.
Cliff
do not archive
> Cliff,
> Are you just looking for a boot ??
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
Rex Hefferan
Colorado
(Also, I expect you were speaking to Rex Shaw in Australia, but thought
I'd reply anyway)
Graeme Toft wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Has anyone ever noticed that watching flying movies makes you what to commit aviation.
I have just spent quite a few hours glued to the TV viewing the DVD's
Grant Fluent sent over. What a buzz but just realised its the middle of the night.
Bugger!!!!. Hey Rex, bet you didnt know they do barrel roles.
>
>Regards
>Graeme Toft
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Hey, any chance you could send them my way as well?
Thanks in advance,
Gary
Clifford Begnaud <shoeless@barefootpilot.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
Randy,
This is what I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Cliff do not archive
>
>
> Cliff,
> My wife made me some boots out of the same material she made the cushions
> from. Each is made of four triangles of material sown into a pyramid and
> attached to the floor board with Velcro. I don't think the triangles are
> all the same size. If this is of interest to you, I can get dimensions
> from
> this.
>
> It is not a cone but sits on a rectangular base.
>
> Randy
>
> .
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:New wing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I may need a new left wing for my Model II Kitfox. Does anyone supply them
or their parts now?
Dave Savener
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| Subject: | KF 7 baggage door instructions/pics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
KF 7 baggage door instructions/pics--
Does anybody have the Model 7 baggage door instructions and or pictures they
could send me?
Robert
San Diego
Day phone 1-858-525-8102
Cell 760-415-1810
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I did have to make a bump on the cowl for the bottom of the redrive, and
one for the starter, which is why I would consider using a prop
extension and a stock cowl next time. I solved the cooling problem with
a 3 inch intake hole made from plastic pipe glassed in just below the
normal intake, right in front of the two radiators. I tried all sorts
of ducting, but what works best is just the basic opening in front of
the radiator with lots of room for air to get out. I normally fly the
planes I am working on and my wife uses the CAM powered plane. That is
the only one she wants to fly. It really has been simple and reliable.
She only burns about 3 gph, but she is not as high strung as I am .
Knowing what I know now it is probably one of the simplest engines to
install. The only down side is the weight. My plane came in at 912
pounds, but that includes a BRS. The fuel injected CAM 125 is what I
think is the ticket. It is close to the same weight and puts out over
130 hp. That's 2.4 to 1 redrive power so it should really get off and
climb. I am trying to work a deal to get one using my redrive and try it.
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Thanks Alan,
>
>That sounds like a sweet engine and not much more
>trouble to install than many others have had. I
>thought maybe you would have had to add a lower front
>bump to house the bottom front of the motor, but guess
>it fit pretty well. Must make a nice hummm, like you
>do when you pull up to the pumps.
>
>kurt S.
>
>Do not archive
>
>--- Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>The CAM 100 has a max continuous run of 5300 RPM,
>>but that is
>>conservative. The engine itself is as close to
>>bullet proof as you can
>>get.................
>>
>>
>>>Hi Alan,
>>>
>>>Someone recently told me that you can run the CAM
>>>100's at 5500 rpm all day. Is that true? Did you
>>>have to make extensive cowl changes? How do you
>>>
>>>
>>like
>>
>>
>>>it otherwise? They were just a little too new for
>>>
>>>
>>me
>>
>>
>>>to consider when I bought my engine.
>>>
>>>Kurt S.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:New wing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Correction, I may need a RIGHT wing for my Kitfox II? Anybody???
----- Original Message -----
From: David Savener<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:New wing?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
I may need a new left wing for my Model II Kitfox. Does anyone supply them
or their parts now?
Dave Savener
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| Subject: | Kitfox 6 airfoil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Does anybody have handy the Kitfox 6 (5 thru 7 would work too) NACA airfoil number/designation?
I can't seem to find it anywhere. I need it for my son's school
science project.
Thanks,
Ron
Series 6 NSI Turbo CAP 140
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Ha, my wife did the same. They have their good points eh.. She made some
mock one's first out of cotton rag to get the pattern correct, took a bit as
the stick travel goes for and aft quite a way. Once perfect, then fabricated
the finished article. Put elastic around the stick at the top so the sloping
f/board can be removed without removing the boot. The reinforced metal
mounting strip is hidden inside the boot. John A.
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cliff,
My wife made me some boots out of the same material she made the cushions
from. Each is made of four triangles of material sown into a pyramid and
attached to the floor board with Velcro. I don't think the triangles are
all the same size. If this is of interest to you, I can get dimensions from
this.
It is not a cone but sits on a rectangular base.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
Someone gave me some very nice black leather that I would to form into a
pair of boots. I just need a cutting template.
Cliff
do not archive
>Cliff,
> Are you just looking for a boot ??
>
Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
Rex Hefferan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I have done two in the old model 5 fox. That was with a most capable and
experienced pilot. The plane will do just about anything you ask. The margin
for error and exceeding load capabilities can happen very quickly. An
aerobatic plane gives you a much greater OH !@%$ factor time to pull it out.
Just my opinion. But by all mean have fun, life is to short.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
Rex Hefferan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Alan,
When you say dish out is that more like a Split S, half role to a
half loop? Also can you explain more when you say change rudder
input.......just curious?
Roger Mac
N619RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
Rex Hefferan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a 912. I saw a Kitfox getting really
wrung out at Sun and Fun back in 93 and when I finished mine about a year
later had a real urge to do a loop and a roll. I used to go out over the
lakes near here on Sunday mornings and play around. I had a little aerobatic
familiarization when I did my Commercial a bunch of years ago and knew just
enough to get myself in trouble.
I started with a loop, but each time, by the time I got that little plane
going straight up, I would chicken out and push the stick forward. Finally
one day I stayed with it , but I hadn't built quite enpugh speed in the dive
before I pulled up and probably was at about 120 and ran out of speed before
I got all the way up and over and kind of fell out of the top. At that point
the speed starts building like crazy and it gets real scary knowing you have
to pull out of it before you get too much speed and too many G's.
So at that point I decided that maybe a roll would be much less hair raising
After all, what can possibly go wrong??????
Well the Sunday morning roll attemps would bring out a lot of "chicken" when
that monsterous roll rate almost instantaneously gets that little bird
standing on a wingtip, and I would level it back out. Then one Sunday I told
myself thast today was the day. No chickening out. I drop the nose a little
to build a little speed, then pull back and roll left and as the world is
suddenly at 90 degrees from where it ough to be I mutter Oh, s----, hesitate
for a secound and then muster all my courage to go on around, but in that
confusion and hesitation, I forgot one small detail; quit pulling back on
that stick and go forward with it. Before I cound realize what was happening
I shot out of the bottom of the world in what I think they call a "split s".
But the little plane was in one piece, the meter read 6.5 "g"s and I was
shaking like a leaf. Luckily the airport was only about 3 minutes away. I
parked my bird and went in and sat on the hanger floor, leaned up against
the wall and shook like a leaf. I decided right there and then that I would
never do anymore aerobatics in anything without a parachute and some real
good instruction. That little airplane is stout. There was a 3 near here
that went thru a stall-spin at about 40 feet and cartwheeled end over end,
wingtip to wingtip and the pilot walked away and it has been rebuilt, but I
am not cut out to be a test pilot, cause I don't know what you are supposed
to do when you reach that pont where you have exceeded the limits and it
starts to come apart.
John Disher, Summerville, SC.
-------Original Message-------
From: Alan & Linda Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
Rex Hefferan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Mike
If I recall correctly, Murle turboed the engine himself and
it was not a standard factory built 914 turbo. I am not sure
what engine he used --- perhaps a 912ul. I was at his place
when he was figuring out the control system for it.
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Michael
Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 914
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
<MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>The 914 is operating under a continuous boost... it is
rated at 100
>hp continuous to 16000 ft. The 5 minute limit is for full
power
>operations.
I will certainly go and check my facts, but my comments were
based on
Murle Williams' experience with the 914. Murle liked the
idea that
his 'fox could outrun his squadron buddies. When the newer
planes
started sporting 912S engines he could no longer keep up
with them.
He recently sold his 914 in favor of a 912S.
Mike G.
N728KF
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Aerobatics |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Please. Think about this for just a minute.
Did you teach yourself to fly without instruction?
Did you learn to fly your conventional geared aircraft without some practice and
instruction?
We have all heard about people who think "I'll just fast taxi a lot, then crow
hop a few times, then I'll be an ultralite pilot!! They almost always crash.
SPEND A FEW BUCKS AND GET A FEW HOURS OF AEROBATIC INSTRUCTION BEFORE YOU PULL
THE WINGS OFF OF THAT COOL LITTLE AIRPLANE.
Aerobatics are great fun AFTER you get some instruction. and just as dangerous
as learning to fly without some help if you don't get some practice with someone
along to keep you out of trouble.
I found an ex military instructor with an aerobatic Cessna 152 with a Sparrowhawk
Mod.(125 HP engine) and took a begginner's course.
It's great fun and builds lots of confidence. Just about the best and most fun
$600 I ever spent.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick<mailto:wingsdown@comcast.net> o: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net<mailto:wingsdown@comcast.net>>
I have done two in the old model 5 fox. That was with a most capable and
experienced pilot. The plane will do just about anything you ask. The margin
for error and exceeding load capabilities can happen very quickly. An
aerobatic plane gives you a much greater OH !@%$<mailto:!@%$> factor time to pull it out.
Just my opinion. But by all mean have fun, life is to short.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com<mailto:aldaniels@fmtc.com>>
My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
Rex Hefferan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net<mailto:kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>>
>
>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
TAILDRAGGER
EASY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license, ratings and such.
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a tricycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer.
But this miserable thing with tires and struts.
Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll.
Or it'll head towards Jones's as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much.
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think I've mastered this slippery machine.
It's not that bad if you have the touch.
Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry.
That's my own tail that's going by.
You ground looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott,
EASY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 6 airfoil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
The airfoil is one of Harry Riblet's design. I'm not certain which one,
but it was advertised as having some properties of a laminar flow foil.
It's claimed properties are derived from computer simulations. I don't
think it has been wind tunnel tested, but I may be wrong. At any rate
it is a decent but not miraculous airfoil and serves the Kitfox well.
Jerry Liles
rkstevens@verizon.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
>Does anybody have handy the Kitfox 6 (5 thru 7 would work too) NACA airfoil number/designation?
I can't seem to find it anywhere. I need it for my son's school
science project.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ron
>Series 6 NSI Turbo CAP 140
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Well John, I'm glad you managed not to become a statistic. I also had an
opportunity to get aerobatic instruction when I was getting my
Commercial and I kept with it and flew many aerobatic flights. It's been
too many years now and I'd have to get some refresher training. I'm not
sure I'd want to do any in my Model 2 once it's flying again anyway.
Rex
Colorado
John Disher wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
>I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a 912. I saw a Kitfox getting really
>wrung out at Sun and Fun back in 93 and when I finished mine about a year
>later had a real urge to do a loop and a roll. I used to go out over the
>lakes near here on Sunday mornings and play around. I had a little aerobatic
>familiarization when I did my Commercial a bunch of years ago and knew just
>enough to get myself in trouble.
>
>I started with a loop, but each time, by the time I got that little plane
>going straight up, I would chicken out and push the stick forward. Finally
>one day I stayed with it , but I hadn't built quite enpugh speed in the dive
>before I pulled up and probably was at about 120 and ran out of speed before
>I got all the way up and over and kind of fell out of the top. At that point
>the speed starts building like crazy and it gets real scary knowing you have
>to pull out of it before you get too much speed and too many G's.
>
>So at that point I decided that maybe a roll would be much less hair raising
> After all, what can possibly go wrong??????
>
>Well the Sunday morning roll attemps would bring out a lot of "chicken" when
>that monsterous roll rate almost instantaneously gets that little bird
>standing on a wingtip, and I would level it back out. Then one Sunday I told
>myself thast today was the day. No chickening out. I drop the nose a little
>to build a little speed, then pull back and roll left and as the world is
>suddenly at 90 degrees from where it ough to be I mutter Oh, s----, hesitate
>for a secound and then muster all my courage to go on around, but in that
>confusion and hesitation, I forgot one small detail; quit pulling back on
>that stick and go forward with it. Before I cound realize what was happening
>I shot out of the bottom of the world in what I think they call a "split s".
>But the little plane was in one piece, the meter read 6.5 "g"s and I was
>shaking like a leaf. Luckily the airport was only about 3 minutes away. I
>parked my bird and went in and sat on the hanger floor, leaned up against
>the wall and shook like a leaf. I decided right there and then that I would
>never do anymore aerobatics in anything without a parachute and some real
>good instruction. That little airplane is stout. There was a 3 near here
>that went thru a stall-spin at about 40 feet and cartwheeled end over end,
>wingtip to wingtip and the pilot walked away and it has been rebuilt, but I
>am not cut out to be a test pilot, cause I don't know what you are supposed
>to do when you reach that pont where you have exceeded the limits and it
>starts to come apart.
>
>John Disher, Summerville, SC.
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Alan & Linda Daniels
>Date: 11/07/05 17:24:08
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox movies
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>My brother can roll my Fox so smooth that if you had your eyes shut you
>would not know you went around. The problem is if you botch the maneuver
>you can dish out and put quite a load on the plane. Dutch roll left and
>right to 90 until you are comfortable, and then go on around remember to
>change rudder impute as required. I am not an aerobatic pilot so I do
>not do them without someone who is. I know that we have also discussed
>the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also. It is a
>very capable plane, but it is not an aerobatic plane.
>
>Rex Hefferan wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>>
>>I had only heard about Kitfox rolls being done before seeing the videos.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 6 airfoil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
The airfoil designatioon is listed in the front of my
S-5 builder's manual. You might check your S-6 manual
for it too. It was in one of my early pages, or under
the wing section first page. But I think it was in
with the description at the start.
I am going back to KY tomorrow. I'll see if I can get
to it for you, if someone doesn't have it in a day or
2.
Kurt S.
--- rkstevens@verizon.net wrote:
> Does anybody have handy the Kitfox 6 (5 thru 7 would
> work too) NACA airfoil number/designation? I can't
> seem to find it anywhere. I need it for my son's
> school science project.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
> Series 6 NSI Turbo CAP 140
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cliff, Gary,
I did go flying today, but didn't look at the boots. I will go up to the
hangar tomorrow and see if I can get the dimensions. I don't know if I
can describe them or will have to draw something to make it clear.
Randy
Do not archive.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Olson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick Boots
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson <ofd725@yahoo.com>
Hey, any chance you could send them my way as well?
Thanks in advance,
Gary
Clifford Begnaud <shoeless@barefootpilot.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
Randy,
This is what I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Cliff do not archive
>
>
> Cliff,
> My wife made me some boots out of the same material she made the cushions
> from. Each is made of four triangles of material sown into a pyramid and
> attached to the floor board with Velcro. I don't think the triangles are
> all the same size. If this is of interest to you, I can get dimensions
> from
> this.
>
> It is not a cone but sits on a rectangular base.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Alan & Linda Daniels [aldaniels@fmtc.com]
> I know that we have also discussed
> the aggressive spin entry of the Fox several years ago also.
Could you explain this a bit deeper, please? I will NEVER do aerobatics in my Kitfox,
I just want to know what to expect if I am not careful.
Cheers,
Michel
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