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1. 12:08 AM - LOC... (Matt Dralle)
2. 10:10 AM - how to recharge Matco Brakes (Mike Ford)
3. 10:39 AM - Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes (Harris, Robert)
4. 11:32 AM - Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies (Michel Verheughe)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes (ron schick)
6. 12:12 PM - Re: New wing? (JOHN LARSEN)
7. 12:14 PM - Re: New wing? (JOHN LARSEN)
8. 12:16 PM - RHey Kitfox forum (Sid Hausding)
9. 12:37 PM - Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes (Jeremy Casey)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies (Alan & Linda Daniels)
11. 02:49 PM - Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
12. 03:14 PM - Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation (Guy Buchanan)
13. 03:14 PM - SDM Fly-in (Guy Buchanan)
14. 04:06 PM - Service Letter #16-Eletric (sic) Starter (Guy Buchanan)
15. 05:44 PM - Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes (Mike Ford)
16. 06:58 PM - Re: Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation (RV73HL@aol.com)
17. 07:09 PM - Re: Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation (RV73HL@aol.com)
18. 07:40 PM - EAA Works With Kodiak Research, Sport Plane LLC to Help Orphaned Kitfox Customers (Joe & Jan Connell)
19. 09:16 PM - Re: Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies (Rex Hefferan)
20. 09:30 PM - Re: Spins in a model III (James Shumaker)
21. 10:29 PM - Kudos for John McBean (Bruce Harrington)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone
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Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the
years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
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| Subject: | how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling Matco
brakes? I think Im missing something.
When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's loose
enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose of
air.
When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
plug that needs to be loosened?
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
You need to slowly fill the brake fluid by attaching a hose to the nipple by
the wheel and force it up to the reservoir using a syringe or similar
device. Is that what you are doing?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ford
Subject: Kitfox-List: how to recharge Matco Brakes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling Matco
brakes? I think Im missing something.
When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's loose
enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose of
air.
When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
plug that needs to be loosened?
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Jim,
James Shumaker wrote:
> Is that what you were wondering?
Well, not exactly, but it is always interesting to read about Kitfox
experiences and I thank you for that.
My question was about the meaning of "aggressive spin entry." This is why: When
I was a student, I realized that spins were the killer #1 for novices. I became
then important for me to know how it develops so that I could avoid it by
knowing the limits. I asked my instructor who said, ok but not in your plane.
We flew then his Rans S-6 and he asked me to take the plane in a sharp turn,
sharper, sharper, pull the stick, he yelled at me. All of a sudden, the plane
went inverted, I saw the earth, the sky, the earth, I was totally disoriented.
The instructor recovered from the spin and we started climbing for another
spin. Same thing, I was totally disoriented.
Now, if the Kitfox has an "aggressive spin entry" and if "aggressive" means
"sudden and unexpected" and that is worse than the Rans, I am a goner before I
realize it. Yes, I have carefully studied the the spin theory and I think - in
theory - I know what I should do to recover. But I doubt I'll be able to
coordinate my thoughts, even less my handling.
Yes, I can ask a certified aerobatic pilot with a Bellanca, at our airfield, to
go for a ride and try a few things. I intend to do it. But I will never find an
instructor that can take me on a Kitfox for a real spin in the air.
So, my question is: Do you think the Kitfox has a nastier spin behaviour than
say, a Rans S-6?
Incidentally, it was very interesting to read that the model 3 can't make a
roll without going in a dive because that's exactly what happens with my
carefully modelled model 3 that I made for the flight simulator X-Plane. ...
and no, I won't make a judgement of the model 3 spin characteristics based on a
simulator, it would be foolish.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Mike make sure the master cylinder is allowed to extend all the way or it
will resist as if applying the brakes. Ron NB Or
>From: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: how to recharge Matco Brakes
>Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:09:54 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
>
>Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling Matco
>brakes? I think Im missing something.
>
>When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
>
>Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's loose
>enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
>
>Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose of
>air.
>
>When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
>forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
>the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
>
>It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
>lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
>plug that needs to be loosened?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:New wing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JOHN LARSEN" <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Steve Winder At Airdale has the wings, either kit or quick build.
208 459 6254 or 208 284-8143. If no answer try 208283-9142'
Have a good day
JML
> [Original Message]
> From: David Savener <david_savener@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 12:26:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:New wing?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> Correction, I may need a RIGHT wing for my Kitfox II? Anybody???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Savener<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:New wing?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
<david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I may need a new left wing for my Model II Kitfox. Does anyone
supply them or their parts now?
>
> Dave Savener
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:New wing? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JOHN LARSEN" <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Steve Winder at Airdale has them either as a kit or qujick build.
208/459-6254 208/283-9142 or 208/284-8143
Have a good day.
JML
> [Original Message]
> From: David Savener <david_savener@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 12:26:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:New wing?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> Correction, I may need a RIGHT wing for my Kitfox II? Anybody???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Savener<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:New wing?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
<david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I may need a new left wing for my Model II Kitfox. Does anyone
supply them or their parts now?
>
> Dave Savener
>
>
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| Subject: | RHey Kitfox forum |
avid_flyer yahoogroups <avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
This may very well be a trojan type set up!
I got into filling out what I thought to be a legitimate invitation from a friend,
but the program continued into automatically grabbing my address book and
sending out invitations to all........It certainly could be generating a mass
mailing type of progression to stall or congest the internet as we have seen some
try to do in the past..................
BEWARE
Sid
sorry in northern Michigan
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Ted Palamarek <temco@telusplanet.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
Fellows; Don't click on any of the links below --- this is a
scam to get into and steal your address book then the same
message is sent to all the people in your address book plus
you start getting crap from all over.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Sid Hausding
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hey Kitfox forum ;)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding
Sid Hausding has invited you to join hi5. By joining hi5,
you will be connected to Sid and all of Sid's friends.
hi5 is the place where friends meet. You can use hi5 for the
following purposes:
* Find old friends
* Meet new people
* Browse photos
Join Sid, meet Sid's friends, and meet people that share
your interests now!
Click here:
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This invitation was sent to kitfox-list@matronics.com on
behalf of Sid Hausding (avidsid@yahoo.com).
If you do not wish to receive invitations from hi5 members,
click on the link below:
http://www.hi5.com/friend/displayBlockInvite.do?inviteId=0S8
BPRM2MT46151925k0
==
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| Subject: | how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
<SNIP>
When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
plug that needs to be loosened?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike,
I bet that the master cylinders are not fully open...been there, done
that.
Just make sure that the master cylinders are all the way open...take it
loose from the pedal if need be.
Tip from our flying club...RE: filling brake systems
We got a cheapo sprayer bottle from the local Home Depot aircraft supply
(approx 1 gallon size), I mean one that you can pump the handle to pump
pressure in and use the valve on the wand to spray with...
Remove the wand and attach appropriate fittings to attach the size
tubing needed to fit the typical nipples on the brake cylinders with a
valve to turn it on and off, and you have an instant brake fluid pump.
I think we had about $15 in the thing...yea I know it's more than an oil
pump can but it works oh so good...hook it up and turn on the valve, and
the fluid starts heading uphill...no bubbles, no mess. You can get a
similar setup from automotive tool suppliers for about 80-100 bucks...it
might look more professional but doesn't work any better ;-)
Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Michel, the point of this is not to make you afraid of your plane. I
don't know the spin behavior of you plane, but I do know that with a
little more practice the spin will no longer be disorientating. What you
want to learn is what it fells like BEFORE it spins. The plane will talk
to you, you just have to know how to listen. If you fly anywhere close
to the correct speeds, keep the ball somewhere near the middle, and
don't bring the nose above the horizon while flying the pattern you will
not spin. I think there have been more departure stall spins accidents
than landing stalls because of the extreme deck angles we can fly. Keep
learning. From your questions and interest I am sure you are a good safe
pilot.
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello Jim,
>
>James Shumaker wrote:
>
>
>>Is that what you were wondering?
>>
>>
>
>Well, not exactly, but it is always interesting to read about Kitfox
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
if everything is connected properly, the only resistance should be the 4' or so
of head pressure to the reservoir. If there is no air bubbles in the lines,
then it would be acceptable to fill at the reservoir. Do you have the vented
cap on the reservoir?
John
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
>
> Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling Matco
> brakes? I think Im missing something.
>
> When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
>
> Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's loose
> enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
>
> Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose of
> air.
>
> When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
> forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
> the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
>
> It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
> lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
> plug that needs to be loosened?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
if everything is connected properly, the only resistance should be the 4' or so
of head pressure to the reservoir. If there is no air bubbles in the lines, then
it would be acceptable to fill at the reservoir. Do you have the vented cap
on the reservoir?
John
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <FORDM2003@YAHOO.COM>
Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling Matco
brakes? I think Im missing something.
When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's loose
enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose of
air.
When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
It seems that the pressure required to fill the brakes
lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
plug that needs to be loosened?
Th
anks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
EAA Chapter 14 is showing the Kitfox Fly-in as TBA. Desert Fox is
showing it as 11/19. Does anyone have updated status?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Service Letter #16-Eletric (sic) Starter |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
I also need #16-Eletric (sic) Starter
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: how to recharge Matco Brakes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
I checked the main cyl. they are fully open.
I don't believe that there is air in the line. I
can't really see the whole line, as it runs under the
floor board and through the grove gear... Air would
make it's way up through the line, wouldn't it? Would
air make it's way all the way to the reservoir?
Actually, my guss is that it would not. I can imagine
that one would not want any running up to the res.,
but rather only the res to feed the pumps. Can anyone
confirm that?
As for the vented cap, no. I don't believe it is of
that type. However, I did remove it when I tried
filling the lines. What is the functional difference
between a vented and not vented reservoir cap?
Filling at the res. might work just fine. However, I
started down this road because the brakes seem a
little mushy and they have a slight leak. The
reservoir, however still has a fair amount of fluid,
maybe half full.
Can one open up the res, open up the nips by the wheel
and then pump the brakes to get fluid and any air to
come out the bottom (nips)?
Mike
--- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> if everything is connected properly, the only
> resistance should be the 4' or so of head pressure
> to the reservoir. If there is no air bubbles in the
> lines, then it would be acceptable to fill at the
> reservoir. Do you have the vented cap on the
> reservoir?
>
> John
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
> >
> > Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling
> Matco
> > brakes? I think Im missing something.
> >
> > When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
> >
> > Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's
> loose
> > enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
> >
> > Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose
> of
> > air.
> >
> > When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
> > forces oil out from the filling tube where it
> meets
> > the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
> >
> > It seems that the pressure required to fill the
> brakes
> > lines should be quite light. Is there maybe
> another
> > plug that needs to be loosened?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://farechase.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> if everything is connected properly, the only
> resistance should be the 4' or so of head pressure
> to the reservoir. If there is no air bubbles in the
> lines, then it would be acceptable to fill at the
> reservoir. Do you have the vented cap on the
> reservoir?
>
> John
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford
> <FORDM2003@YAHOO.COM>
>
> Does anyone know if there is a trick to filling
> Matco
> brakes? I think Im missing something.
>
> When I fill the brakes, I uncap the reservoir.
>
> Then loosen the nipple by the wheel until it's
> loose
> enough that brake fluid starts flowing.
>
> Then I connect the oil can after clearing the hose
> of
> air.
>
> When filling, the oil pressure from the hand pump
> forces oil out from the filling tube where it meets
>
> the oil can before oil gets into the brake lines.
>
> It seems that the pressure required to fill the
> brakes
> lines should be quite light. Is there maybe another
>
> plug that needs to be loosened?
>
> Th
> anks,
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
I just checked the following web site:
_http://www.sportflight.com/skystar/_
(http://www.sportflight.com/skystar/)
On left side, click on Technical Information.
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for SB #35-Inboard Flaperon Hinge Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
Sorry group....I just rechecked the web site, and the SB and SL or listed,
but I was unable to open the files...The site is reported closed...
_http://www.sportflight.com/skystar/_ (http://www.sportflight.com/skystar/) _
Howard
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| Subject: | EAA Works With Kodiak Research, Sport Plane LLC to Help Orphaned |
Kitfox Customers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell@rconnect.com>
From EAA e-Hotline, Vol. 5, No. 52
Joe Connell
"EAA Works With Kodiak Research, Sport Plane LLC to Help Orphaned Kitfox
Customers
Preferred Pricing Program Planned For Rotax Engines
When Kitfox kit aircraft manufacturer ETG Corp (Skystar Aircraft) declared
bankruptcy last month, aircraft builders with unfulfilled, fully paid Rotax
engine orders were essentially hung out to dry. As unsecured creditors, their
chances of receiving delivery on their engines, let alone recovering their money,
are slim at best. EAA is helping coordinate an effort to provide a preferred
pricing discount program for Kitfox builders who paid for but did not receive
engines. Rotax Austria's U.S., Central and South American distributor, Kodiak
Research ltd. of Nassau, Bahamas, and Sport Plane LLC of Meridian, Idaho, are
the two firms working with EAA to assemble a one-time bulk purchase to obtain
the special pricing for Kitfox builders."
(read more)
Message 19
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| Subject: | Re: Spins. WAS: Kitfox movies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
I would always encourage pilots to learn as much about flying as
possible. I was fortunate to have the flight instruction opportunities I
had. I also sought out training in gliders. Each type of flight has it's
advantages which provide increased proficiency to some degree into the
other types. Soaring will improve efficiency of your powered flight
skills. Aerobatics will increase your ability to handle unusual flight
attitudes. Flight simulation can work out techniques and procedures.
Each of these will add precision and smoothness. All have much more to
offer and I'm sure we all understand that a successful flight should
start with being prepared.
Knowing what to do if you find yourself in a spin is best learned by
doing spin recovery. The first lessons for aerobatics was spin recovery.
One of my early attempts at a Cuban 8 was an inverted stall and spin on
top the 2nd loop. I recovered and was complimented by the instructor on
the quick recovery. Lesson learned. ( I had not attained sufficient
entry speed for the 2nd loop.)
The funny thing is that you soon learn how to avoid accidental spins
and end up only doing them purposely for training and fun!
Rex
Colorado
Alan & Linda Daniels wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>
>Michel, the point of this is not to make you afraid of your plane. I
>don't know the spin behavior of you plane, but I do know that with a
>little more practice the spin will no longer be disorientating. What you
>want to learn is what it fells like BEFORE it spins. The plane will talk
>to you, you just have to know how to listen. If you fly anywhere close
>to the correct speeds, keep the ball somewhere near the middle, and
>don't bring the nose above the horizon while flying the pattern you will
>not spin. I think there have been more departure stall spins accidents
>than landing stalls because of the extreme deck angles we can fly. Keep
>learning. From your questions and interest I am sure you are a good safe
>pilot.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spins in a model III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Michel
It is interesting that your flight model fits my experience. Makes me feel like
I flew it about as well as could be expected.
As far as aggresive spin entry is concerened, I could not call the spin entry aggresive.
It is difficult to enter a spin solo. The only reliable way to enter
a spin is to point the nose high and lock the rudder full in and the stick
full back. Even then it is difficult to tell the difference between a spin entry
and a spiral dive entry. Any relaxation of the controls changes the spin
to a spiral.
In short, the model III requires aggresive spin entry contol manipulation and enters
the spin reluctantly. Relaxation of the controls during spin entry stops
the wing drop immediately.
I imagine it is possible to get a snap roll over the top, but my experiance is
that it is difficult to induce (yes I have tried) and stops the snap as soon as
the pitch is released.
Jim Shumaker
Message 21
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| Subject: | Kudos for John McBean |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Hey John,
I think you're doing a great service for the Kitfox builders with this
program:
Preferred Pricing Program Planned For Rotax Engines
Cheers,
bh
ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
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