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1. 02:13 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (R & L Ainsworth)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (Dick and Marge)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts (Tom Jones)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts (Tom Jones)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (Guy Buchanan)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (Guy Buchanan)
7. 02:08 PM - Re: How hot it gets? (Michel Verheughe)
8. 02:55 PM - Fuel (Alan & Linda Daniels)
9. 05:14 PM - Kitfox tires (Tc9008@aol.com)
10. 05:56 PM - Re: Kitfox tires (Stan Bearup)
11. 06:13 PM - Re: Construction manual (Jeff Sattin)
12. 07:38 PM - Pin Map of kitfox owners (Ben Baltrusaitis)
13. 08:26 PM - Re: Pin Map of kitfox owners (kirk hull)
14. 08:26 PM - Re: Pin Map of kitfox owners (jdmcbean)
15. 08:35 PM - Re: Kitfox tires (Les Chambers)
16. 08:41 PM - Wing tank venting (Graeme Toft)
17. 10:13 PM - Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks (John Anderson)
18. 10:25 PM - Re: Wing tank venting (Rick)
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| Subject: | Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R & L Ainsworth" <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
Hi Guy
Here in New Zealand you can only get 100LL at airfeilds so I run my blue
head 582 on avgas.Have 40 hrs no problems.Before that put 400 hrs on silver
head 582 with no problems.Spark plugs last 25-30 hours but they are supposed
to be replaced at that time any way.Otherwise I have seen no detrimental
effects from avgas.
Russell Ainsworth ZK-KIV Model 4
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| Subject: | Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge" <madfox@mcleodusa.net>
If you use 100LL, what engine oil would be appropriate? Would there be a
difference between a Rotax 4-stroke and 2-stroke?
Richard KFIV 1200 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: "R & L Ainsworth" <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R & L Ainsworth"
> <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
>
>
> Hi Guy
> Here in New Zealand you can only get 100LL at airfeilds so I run my blue
> head 582 on avgas.Have 40 hrs no problems.Before that put 400 hrs on
> silver
> head 582 with no problems.Spark plugs last 25-30 hours but they are
> supposed
> to be replaced at that time any way.Otherwise I have seen no detrimental
> effects from avgas.
>
>
> Russell Ainsworth ZK-KIV Model 4
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sam,
Hysol EA9460 is used on the wings by most builders now instead of 3M
Scotch weld. It is a two part (Part A and Part B) and much easier to
work with than the Scotchweld. It should be available from most any of
the homebuilder's suppliers such as Aircraft spruce. You most likely
will find the leads here on this list for hardware. John McBean can get
you the Spars. A couple weeks ago someone said they may have a left
flapperon I think.
Sam Lawrence wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sam Lawrence" <pslawr@telus.net>
>
>Hi Tom
>
>Thanks for the tips.
>Where can I buy the scotchweld?
>Any leads on parts will be appreciated.
>
>Thank You
>Sam Lawrence
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Tom Jones
>Date: 11/14/05 19:41:37
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>Sam,
>I did the same thing a few years ago. I had to take the fuselage back
>to Skystar to have the bungee truss replaced. While there I talked with
>the engineer about salvaging the wing parts. All the wing parts that
>are not damaged are reusable. The ribs can be removed with a heat gun
>to soften the adhesive. Use a screwdriver to test it while heating. It
>will soften with the heat and can be scraped off.
>
>Mark the parts before you remove them. The flapperon brackets must go
>back onto the same location on the same rib they came off, if reusing
>that rib.
>Tom Jones, Classic 4
>
>Sam Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sam Lawrence" <pslawr@telus.net>
>>
>>My fox Model IV-1050 recently groundlooped and is in need of repair:
>>
>>I need the following parts:
>>
>>Wing Spars
>>Gear
>>Radiator
>>Left Flapperon
>>
>>Can I dismantle the wing and salvage the ribs and stuff?
>>Any Suggestions, ideas would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanx
>>Sam Lawrence
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sam,
One more thought. I think I may still have the Skystar parts list for a
model 4 "Wing Kit". If you think it would help I will dig it out. I
have moved twice in the last year but am pretty sure it is in my Kitfox
folder somewhere.
Tom Jones
Sam Lawrence wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sam Lawrence" <pslawr@telus.net>
>
>Hi Tom
>
>Thanks for the tips.
>Where can I buy the scotchweld?
>Any leads on parts will be appreciated.
>
>Thank You
>Sam Lawrence
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Tom Jones
>Date: 11/14/05 19:41:37
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Groundlooped Kitfox needing Parts
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>Sam,
>I did the same thing a few years ago. I had to take the fuselage back
>to Skystar to have the bungee truss replaced. While there I talked with
>the engineer about salvaging the wing parts. All the wing parts that
>are not damaged are reusable. The ribs can be removed with a heat gun
>to soften the adhesive. Use a screwdriver to test it while heating. It
>will soften with the heat and can be scraped off.
>
>Mark the parts before you remove them. The flapperon brackets must go
>back onto the same location on the same rib they came off, if reusing
>that rib.
>Tom Jones, Classic 4
>
>Sam Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sam Lawrence" <pslawr@telus.net>
>>
>>My fox Model IV-1050 recently groundlooped and is in need of repair:
>>
>>I need the following parts:
>>
>>Wing Spars
>>Gear
>>Radiator
>>Left Flapperon
>>
>>Can I dismantle the wing and salvage the ribs and stuff?
>>Any Suggestions, ideas would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanx
>>Sam Lawrence
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:21 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote:
>The question is: will a
>1/2 oz per 10 gallons make a difference ? Maybe not.. It was just something
>to think about.
Thanks John.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:12 AM 11/19/2005, you wrote:
>Otherwise I have seen no detrimental
>effects from avgas.
Thanks Russell,
That's the kind of good information I was looking for. :-)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kurt,
On Nov 18, 2005, at 6:19 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
>
> It is barely 66F tonight in Florida. Ha ha. :-)
Here, it is about 0 degrees C and beautiful flying weather! CAVOK and
no wind.
> Any slack available to use to put a crimp on
> before or after the soldered end?
>
I guess I could get some slack on the wire itself, fixing the sleeve at
a different point. But I'll never be 100% sure the wire will always
hold, it could come loose at the throttle handle or the "inverter." As
opposed to the 582, the Jabiru pulls the carb to WOT, if the cable
breaks. My problem is that, at WOT and level, I bust the red line. So,
if something like that should happen, my intention is to:
1) Declare an emergency to ATC.
2) Climb, to keep the speed under Vne.
3) Eventually ask for QDM to the nearest airfield (emergency situations
makes your brain soft and I'd rather ask for help that sorting out maps
on my own.
4) Get high enough so that I can make a landing with the engine off.
The problem is, if the carb is stuck at WOT, I don't think I'll be able
to start again in flight. I think I'll have only one chance.
What do you think, my experienced friend? Something wrong or missing
in my "emergency procedure list?"
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Just a thought on car gas. I am not an expert on fuel, but I ask you to
consider the vapor pressure side of the issue. I use car gas a lot, but
then again I am mostly running a car (Honda) engine. Car gas will eat
Mill spec hose. Throw it away. It cost about $15 to change all the hoses
to good fuel line at NAPA. Back to vapor pressure. They change car gas
summer to winter and location to location, so what is true here in
eastern oregon is not true where you are. Winter grade gas has a low
vapor pressure for easy starting and because they do not need to go to
the expense in the winter. That is why you see lots of stalled cars if
you get a hot snap before the gas stations get changed back to summer
gas. The worst I saw this was one spring in Denver were heat combined
with altitude caused literally hundreds and hundreds of cars to stall.
If you have winter car gas in your plane and it gets hot, drain most of
the gas- It is easy to siphon most out - and put 100LL in. When you are
sure the stations are pumping summer grade gas you can consider it again
if you want. Even when it is cold you may have problems with winter gas
at altitude. This usually shows up for me as slight bumping or missing
and usually only over 10,000 feet. My fuel pumps are under the passenger
seat a few inches from the header tank so I am no so worried about vapor
lock as I am pushing gas instead of pulling it, but it is still a concern.
If I remember correctly, there is or used to be a chemical engineer on
the list that has extensive knowledge of fuels. Please jump in as this
is very important.
Alan.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
I want to put larger tires on my KF IV. I have 600x6 on now. Where should I
look for them?
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
Travis,
Aircraft Spruce has McCreary "Air Hawk" tire sizes 8.00 x 6.00 and 8.50 x 6 tires that would work for you. The latter is what I will be installing on my Just Aircraft Highlander. Go to http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php to see their offerings and prices.
Stan
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| Subject: | Construction manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Sattin" <livinnmd@comcast.net>
Dave,
I have a PDF version of the manual I can forward by email.
Jeff Sattin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D& D
Syverson
Subject: Kitfox-List: Construction manual
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson
--> <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good evening,
Does anyone know where a person can get a copy of, rent, borrow, or get
access
to a firewall forward construction manual for a Model 7 configured for a
rotax 912ULS? I have the complete firewall forward parts for the rotax
engine. Anyone close to my neighborhood (Minnesota) with a manual? This
was
one of the items I lost in the bankruptcy deal. I have the main
construction
manual, but am missing the part for the firewall forward. I am sure that
was
supposed to come with the engine. Didn't get the engine I purchased so
didn't
get the manual either.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
St Paul, MN
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| Subject: | Pin Map of kitfox owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
The Starduster group I belong to just created a pin map of owners and it is growing.
I created on for the Kitfoxes. Please add your name, picture, and comments to this
and let's keep track of the Kitfoxes!
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
Also, I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Ben
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| Subject: | Pin Map of kitfox owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Just signed up. great idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben
Baltrusaitis
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pin Map of kitfox owners
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
The Starduster group I belong to just created a pin map of owners and it is
growing.
I created on for the Kitfoxes. Please add your name, picture, and comments
to this and let's keep track of the Kitfoxes!
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
Also, I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Ben
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| Subject: | Pin Map of kitfox owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Funny.. Debra and I were talking earlier today about something very similar
to add to our web....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pin Map of kitfox owners
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
The Starduster group I belong to just created a pin map of owners and it is
growing.
I created on for the Kitfoxes. Please add your name, picture, and comments
to this and let's keep track of the Kitfoxes!
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
Also, I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Travis,
Golf cart or ATV tires work good and much cheaper than "aircraft" tires.
Good selection here $20-$30 range:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/?id=762
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tc9008@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> I want to put larger tires on my KF IV. I have 600x6 on now. Where should
> I
> look for them?
> Travis
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| Subject: | Wing tank venting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi guys, I have done a search of the archieves for an answer to this question but
have been unsuccessful. My right wing tanks fills from my left leaving more
in the right than the left. This creates a problem when folding the wing because
it vents very quickly all over my beautiful new plane. Is there any way that
the tanks can compensate equally when running through a gascolator so I dont
have to drain excess fuel before folding the wings. I have found that 20Liters
left per side is OK but when it all drains across I end up with 40 in one and
very little in the other. The paint work has already been affected by this
happening twice.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Auxiliary 13 Gal Fuel Tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
"jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote: (snipped)
If they ever do find a
replacement it would most likely be a high octane unleaded replacement.
That could be a good thing... especially the fact that it would be available
all over the country.
This will surely depend on what they replace the lead with for octane
enhancement. Thinking here about out f/glass tanks and fuel lines etc. ~j~
Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
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| Subject: | Wing tank venting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Might check to see how level your parking area is. Then if you install at
least one fuel shutoff to the header tank, it wont transfer. Also make
filling easier. Be sure and put a remove before flight flag on the shut off
valve. Worked for me.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank venting
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi guys, I have done a search of the archieves for an answer to this
question but have been unsuccessful. My right wing tanks fills from my left
leaving more in the right than the left. This creates a problem when folding
the wing because it vents very quickly all over my beautiful new plane. Is
there any way that the tanks can compensate equally when running through a
gascolator so I dont have to drain excess fuel before folding the wings. I
have found that 20Liters left per side is OK but when it all drains across I
end up with 40 in one and very little in the other. The paint work has
already been affected by this happening twice.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
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