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1. 12:13 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:41 AM - SV: How hot it gets? (Michel Verheughe)
3. 03:55 AM - Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:32 AM - Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Fox5flyer)
5. 04:42 AM - Re: NSI (Fox5flyer)
6. 05:22 AM - Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Fox5flyer)
7. 05:36 AM - Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (John Perry)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system ()
9. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system ()
10. 07:15 AM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (Rex Hefferan)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Rex Hefferan)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (John Disher)
13. 08:10 AM - Home garage OR hangar? (Rex Hefferan)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Don Pearsall)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Clifford Begnaud)
16. 09:04 AM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (Guy Buchanan)
17. 09:39 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Rex Hefferan)
18. 10:56 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Paul Wilson)
19. 11:16 AM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (kurt schrader)
20. 11:25 AM - Re: How hot it gets? (kurt schrader)
21. 12:52 PM - Re: Rudder Cover & Pad (Ceashman@aol.com)
22. 01:13 PM - Re: Engine start at WOT. (Michel Verheughe)
23. 01:25 PM - Full size panel IV-1200 (Jim Burke)
24. 01:48 PM - 912 break-in procedure??? (Mark Anliker)
25. 02:19 PM - Re: 912 break-in procedure??? (RAY Gignac)
26. 03:06 PM - Re: How hot it gets? (John Perry)
27. 03:15 PM - Re: Full size panel IV-1200 (Grant Fluent)
28. 03:51 PM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Dee Young)
29. 03:52 PM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
30. 04:01 PM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Lowell Fitt)
31. 04:26 PM - Re: 912 break-in procedure??? (jdmcbean)
32. 04:27 PM - Windmill prop (Alan & Linda Daniels)
33. 05:21 PM - Ktfox Engine (Robert Orsolits)
34. 05:53 PM - Re: Ktfox Engine (Jeff Hubbard)
35. 05:53 PM - Re: Windmill prop (Randy Daughenbaugh)
36. 06:00 PM - Re: Kitfox tires (Randy Daughenbaugh)
37. 06:17 PM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Marco Menezes)
38. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Rick)
39. 06:25 PM - Re: Engine start at WOT. (Rick)
40. 06:34 PM - Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Dan Billingsley)
41. 07:02 PM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Rex Hefferan)
42. 07:11 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Stan Bearup)
43. 07:11 PM - Re: Full size panel IV-1200 (Jim Burke)
44. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (John Perry)
45. 08:04 PM - Re: Engine start at WOT. (John Perry)
46. 08:18 PM - Re: Engine start at WOT. (Rick)
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| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
> With these things you can easily change out the
> cables at annual in five minutes or so
Good point, Lowell. I wonder why Jabiru delivers it with a soldered fitting, though.
It sure can't be for the price.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> I don't know why. In early WW I the aircraft were full throttle all the
> time and power was controlled by turning the ignition on and off. Why
> couldn't you do the same?
How do I know, Guy? Argh! At the risk of revealing my stupidity:
When I installed the Jabiru, last winter, I assumed that the spring on the throttle
handle of the carb, was to pull the throttle close, as it was on my 582.
I therefore installed the engine that way. When I tried to fire it, for the first
time, it just wouldn't. I called my Jabiru dealer and after a few explanations,
I realized that idle was WOT for me! I change the "cable inverter" lever
and it worked fine. But, I am pretty sure I won't get the engine to start at
WOT. At least, not if it is cold.
I hope we'll get a cold winter this year. Because then the lakes will freeze and
I intend to do a lot of landings with the engine stopped on a 8 miles long lake
I know of. I'll do a lot of tests.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
plug.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
single
> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
now
> .
> Thanks for everyones help .
>
> John Perry
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I believe that your information is correct Clem. However, I don't believe
they'll be producing the EA81 series or CAP prop any longer. As I
understand it they'll only be producing the larger EJ series Soobs. NSI
(MPS?) is a very diversified company that is into many other products, not
just ac engines. Lance produced very good products, but unfortunately
wasn't very good dealing with aftermarket service and problems.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> I don't know if it's true or not, but one of the members on the Yahoo
Subaru group said that NSI was being reorganized, and would be known as
Maxwell Propulsion Systems beginning about the first of the year. No hits,
however, when I googled the name. I, for one, hope it's true, and that
they'll provide better service than NSI.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Oops. What I meant below is that I think it's a spark plug that's causing
the problem. He should try a new set before trying anything else. Might
be one of the pickups though (there's a pair of them on a bracket) and
Electromotive can probably supply those if he can talk them into selling him
one.
I believe Lance called the coil joiner an "isolation module". I also
believe MSD makes a coil joiner, but don't know if it could be adapted to
the NSI system.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
> plug.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
> >
> > thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
> single
> > plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
> now
> > .
> > Thanks for everyones help .
> >
> > John Perry
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
Thanks
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
> plug.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>
>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
> single
>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
> now
>> .
>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>
>> John Perry
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
John,
If you have isolated the problem to the diodes in the coil joiner - why not just
simply replace the diodes. They're cheap - maybe 5 bucks. Any electronics
store (Radio Shack, Digi-Key, etc.) would have them. And, if you can get to them,
they should be fairly easy to replace.
Some diodes are actually connected with a 'Fast-On' style connector so basically
it just 'plugs in'.
B&C might stock them as well - I recall buying a set of diodes from them for my
secondary buss.
Ron
>From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>Thanks
>John Perry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
>> plug.
>> Deke
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>>
>>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
>> single
>>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
>> now
>>> .
>>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
If it's of any help, here's the link to B&C Specialty companies diodes:
http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#d-25
They differ depending upon capacity (amps) - The one with the heat sink is good
for 25 Amps. Once you remove the diodes from the coil joiner, you should be
able to identify the one you need.
If you can't get it directly from a RadioShack (or equivalent), then Digi-Key can
certainly supply one (They have EVERYTHING imaginable). Problem is...they're
mail order and would take a couple of days to get to you.
Ron
From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>Thanks
>John Perry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
>> plug.
>> Deke
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>>
>>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
>> single
>>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
>> now
>>> .
>>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Michel,
I believe your engine will function as suggested by Guy for an
emergency situation. I've been told that getting the mixture just right
for starting a cold engine (that is stopped and not windmilling) is much
more critical than for a warm engine. As long as you don't let the
engine rpm drop too low you should be able to modulate the thrust much
like they had to do on those old fighters. Reliable carburation that
could take the stress of flight had not been developed back then.
Of course, I could be wrong. :-)
Rex
Colorado
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>
>
>>From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
>>I don't know why. In early WW I the aircraft were full throttle all the
>>time and power was controlled by turning the ignition on and off. Why
>>couldn't you do the same?
>>
>>
>
>How do I know, Guy? Argh! At the risk of revealing my stupidity:
>
>When I installed the Jabiru, last winter, I assumed that the spring on the throttle
handle of the carb, was to pull the throttle close, as it was on my 582.
I therefore installed the engine that way. When I tried to fire it, for the first
time, it just wouldn't. I called my Jabiru dealer and after a few explanations,
I realized that idle was WOT for me! I change the "cable inverter" lever
and it worked fine. But, I am pretty sure I won't get the engine to start at
WOT. At least, not if it is cold.
>
>I hope we'll get a cold winter this year. Because then the lakes will freeze and
I intend to do a lot of landings with the engine stopped on a 8 miles long
lake I know of. I'll do a lot of tests.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Hey John,
If you can't find what you need in your neck of the woods I'd be
willing to make a trip into La Junta, Pueblo or someplace today and pick
up parts. Then I could meet you at an airport someplace for you to pick
'em up. Should be good flying weather again today.
Rex
Colorado
rkstevens@verizon.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
>If it's of any help, here's the link to B&C Specialty companies diodes:
>http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#d-25
>
>They differ depending upon capacity (amps) - The one with the heat sink is good
for 25 Amps. Once you remove the diodes from the coil joiner, you should be
able to identify the one you need.
>
>If you can't get it directly from a RadioShack (or equivalent), then Digi-Key
can certainly supply one (They have EVERYTHING imaginable). Problem is...they're
mail order and would take a couple of days to get to you.
>
>Ron
>From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>
>>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>
>>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>>Thanks
>>John Perry
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
One small detail you might keep in mind. A geared engine doe not windmill I
know a Pulsar driver that learned this the hard way when he figured he could
fly back from the Bahamas on the alternator, only to have the engine sputter
and die as he turned base at Ft. Pierce The engine stopped dfead and he had
no power to restart. Wound up, upside down in a subdivision street, but
walked away.
-------Original Message-------
From: Rex Hefferan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Michel,
I believe your engine will function as suggested by Guy for an
emergency situation. I've been told that getting the mixture just right
for starting a cold engine (that is stopped and not windmilling) is much
more critical than for a warm engine. As long as you don't let the
engine rpm drop too low you should be able to modulate the thrust much
like they had to do on those old fighters. Reliable carburation that
could take the stress of flight had not been developed back then.
Of course, I could be wrong. :-)
Rex
Colorado
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>
>>From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
>>I don't know why. In early WW I the aircraft were full throttle all the
>>time and power was controlled by turning the ignition on and off. Why
>>couldn't you do the same?
>>
>>
>
>How do I know, Guy? Argh! At the risk of revealing my stupidity:
>
>When I installed the Jabiru, last winter, I assumed that the spring on the
throttle handle of the carb, was to pull the throttle close, as it was on my
582. I therefore installed the engine that way. When I tried to fire it, for
the first time, it just wouldn't. I called my Jabiru dealer and after a few
explanations, I realized that idle was WOT for me! I change the "cable
inverter" lever and it worked fine. But, I am pretty sure I won't get the
engine to start at WOT. At least, not if it is cold.
>
>I hope we'll get a cold winter this year. Because then the lakes will
freeze and I intend to do a lot of landings with the engine stopped on a 8
miles long lake I know of. I'll do a lot of tests.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
electrical wiring of hangars.
Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
Rex
Colorado
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| Subject: | Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Rex, I have been in lots of hangars and the wiring is always pretty basic.
If there is anything different it is probably the use of metal conduit to
run wires. Maybe there is extra provision for GFI and grounding.
But there are thousands of us who built their planes in garages. I built one
in my bedroom.
Just build the garage according to your local electrical code and don't
worry about it. You might have 1 or 2 240v outlets for big equipment, and of
course you can't have too many 110v outlets and lots of lighting.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hefferan
Subject: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
electrical wiring of hangars.
Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
Rex
Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Rex,
There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and any
outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
Cliff
Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
electrical wiring of hangars.
Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
Rex
Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:51 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
>Because then the lakes will freeze and I intend to do a lot of landings
>with the engine stopped on a 8 miles long lake I know of. I'll do a lot of
>tests.
Man that sounds like fun!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Yes Cliff,
My son mentioned something about minimum height off the floor for
outlets, distance from the aircraft and some other things I'll have to
ask about again now that I'm at that point in finishing the garage. I
recall thinking it would be much easier to build it as a normal
residential garage and park the plane outside on the trailer during the
inspection. I'll probably incorporate some of the requirements anyway.
When I find out I'll pass it on to the list FWIW.
Rex
Colorado
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
>Rex,
>There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and any
>outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
>Cliff
>
>Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
>garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
>kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
>electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
>electrical wiring of hangars.
>
> Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
>inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Your local library will have the applicable NEC (National Electrical Code)
. make a copy of the two pages that define the requirements.
In a nutshell it specifies that the overhead lights be covered with
something to prevent a broken bulb from showering the plane with sparks.
Reason is they expect planes to have fuel tanks accessible from the top of
the wings Solution is to cover lights with metal mesh instead of buying the
certified lights. The receptacles have to be a certain distance from the
floor. (18" comes to mind). I put mine at work bench height so there would
be no issue. One other thing that is specified is that portable electric
devices have to be the same height as the receptacles. Example a battery
charger on a portable work table meets the requirement. Reason is that gas
fumes settle near the floor and that is where a spark would cause a fire or
worse.
Of course the code only applies to high voltage like 120/220/440. No NEC
requirement exists for things like a 12/24 volt battery that might be used
for a jump start. Or a sensor for a garage door opener which is usually
28volts.
The bottom line is to keep spark producing things above the receptacle
height. BTW, These requirements are quite applicable for a garage that
is only used for your car. Good safety practice prevails.
Yes, GFCI circuits are required in garages and shops for all receptacles
that are accessible to a normal human (also outside receptacles). Reason,
the code people expect water spillage to occur in those places.
Don't take my word for the above just get the book and print pages.
BTW, Most jurisdictions allow the owner to do the electrical installation
themselves without a license, but a premit is still required followed by a
detailed inspection. Check with your local building inspector for details.
Paul
=================
At 09:07 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
>garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
>kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
>electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
>electrical wiring of hangars.
>
> Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
>inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
>
>Rexr
>Colorado
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
Don't ask me how I know this, but anyone who has ever
screwed up a runup ignition check and turned it off by
mistake, then back on knows what BOOM! sounds like.
(OK, I did it on a helo once) This is why I am
concerned about doing this with our modern engines.
They really blow up that 1/2 second of unburned fuel.
But if you must, you must. Just expect it to be loud
and not good for the motor.
I just want to stress the point that a throttle cable
failure to full throttle just means that everything is
still working, but faster than you like. Don't turn
it into an emergency unless you have to.
I think you are the first one on the list to worry
about your plane going too fast. :-0
Rex and Guy should be right that your engine will
restart immediately if you only have it off
momentarily and it is still windmilling. Even in your
cold temps, you shouldn't turn it off long enough to
let it cool much. 50% power is only off 1 out of 2
seconds, etc. Or maybe off at 2800 rpm and back on at
2000?
Some of our older engines had ignitions that let you
control how many cycles went by before it fired.
Every power cycle for full power. Every other cycle,
or even every 1/8th power cycle for reduced power.
Those old engines are interesting to watch run.
Wish I could be there to play with you on the lakes
this winter.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There are a number of connectors that work better than
solder and aren't bothered by heat. The quick change
ability Lowell speaks of is a real plus.
I think that SS has heard of a throttle cable that
didn't exactly fail, but was on backwards, on a C-182.
:-(
Kurt S.
Do not archive.
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Not sure how the other engines are configured, but
> the Rotax engines use what I think are called
bugnuts -
> the screw in devices that hold the cables
> to the carburetor arm.............
>
> Has anyone ever heard of a runaway engine due to
> cable failure?
>
> Lowell
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cover & Pad |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
> I'm looking for the rudder cover and pad, (for travel with wings
>folded,) for a K-IV 1200. Does anybody have one they want to get rid of?
>Thanks,
>Guy Buchanan
Guy.
Are you still looking for a rudder cover pad?
I do believe I still have mine.
Cheers Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks Rex, John, Guy and Kurt.
Hum, yes, I don't have a reduction gear so I expect my prop will be
windmilling when I stop the engine. Then it will continue to suck fuel
in the cylinders and when I switch ignition on again ... bang! ... or,
the plugs might just be soaked entirely. Don't know.
Anyway, I also look forward to try landing without engine, when the
lake freezes. Incidentally, I flew over it yesterday. Here is a photo.
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Eikern.jpg
The photo was taken to illustrate my best companion, a Garmin PDA +
GPS, that I use with the program PocketFMS. Cool stuff! Done all my
flight plans and navigation since March, with it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Full size panel IV-1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have finally completed a new full size panel for my IV-1200, that will
replace my panel/panel tank, that is in my plane now. The problem I have is
my manual only has construction pages for the panel tank with the partial
panel that's mounted to the panel tank itself. Would some have the paper
work for installing a full size panel and maybe a few pictures to assist me
in changing out my panel?
Jim N94JE IV-1200
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| Subject: | 912 break-in procedure??? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Anliker <manliker@uiuc.edu>
Is there a Rotax 912 break-in procedure? I have the Installation,
Maintenance, and Operator's Manuals, but don't see any recommended rpm and
run-time guidelines like you see for 2-strokes. I am aware of the
suggested oil system venting procedure prior to start up.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 912 break-in procedure??? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Mark, your 912 should have gone through the break-in procedure from the factory!
I had the same questions with mine. I called lockwood and they said install
and fly break-in was not needed.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Anliker<mailto:manliker@uiuc.edu>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 break-in procedure???
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Anliker <manliker@uiuc.edu<mailto:manliker@uiuc.edu>>
Is there a Rotax 912 break-in procedure? I have the Installation,
Maintenance, and Operator's Manuals, but don't see any recommended rpm and
run-time guidelines like you see for 2-strokes. I am aware of the
suggested oil system venting procedure prior to start up.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
ohhhhhh that hurts Kurt lol . yep i remember well that happening somehting
about some mechanic did not check his work i do believe and make shure
everything went the right way instead he assumed that it was right .
Yikes makes for a big crash.
Fly low fly slow fly safe
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How hot it gets?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> There are a number of connectors that work better than
> solder and aren't bothered by heat. The quick change
> ability Lowell speaks of is a real plus.
>
> I think that SS has heard of a throttle cable that
> didn't exactly fail, but was on backwards, on a C-182.
> :-(
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Not sure how the other engines are configured, but
>> the Rotax engines use what I think are called
> bugnuts -
>> the screw in devices that hold the cables
>> to the carburetor arm.............
>>
>> Has anyone ever heard of a runaway engine due to
>> cable failure?
>>
>> Lowell
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Full size panel IV-1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hi Jim,
I've got pictures of my panel and the instructions
in the manual that I can email to you if you'd like.
I'm at work right now but I can send them to you later
tonight when I get home.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
> <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> I have finally completed a new full size panel for
> my IV-1200, that will
> replace my panel/panel tank, that is in my plane
> now. The problem I have is
> my manual only has construction pages for the panel
> tank with the partial
> panel that's mounted to the panel tank itself. Would
> some have the paper
> work for installing a full size panel and maybe a
> few pictures to assist me
> in changing out my panel?
>
> Jim N94JE IV-1200
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
You are building a garage not a hanger. If you put a boat in it its not a boat
house its still a garage. If you store a plane in it it is still a garage. If
you build the garage at the airport it would be hard to argue that it's a garage
and not a hanger. Don't get caught up in this one. Its not the inspectors business
what you store in the garage and he probably could care less. Hope you
don't mind my direct response.
Dee Young
Model ll
N345DY
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Clifford Begnaud<mailto:shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com<mailto:shoeless@barefootpilot.com>>
Rex,
There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and any
outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
Cliff
Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
electrical wiring of hangars.
Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
Rex
Colorado
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
I don't want you to think that you are the only one to turn both mags off in
a botched mag check. The difference is my lousy memory.
I don't remember ever getting a loud boom on restart. I have done it to a
continental several times and to my 912s once. (so far!)
Randy - Beautiful flight this morning. Mount Rushmore and the first new
lake in the Black Hills in the last 65 - 70 years.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
Don't ask me how I know this, but anyone who has ever
screwed up a runup ignition check and turned it off by
mistake, then back on knows what BOOM! sounds like.
(OK, I did it on a helo once) This is why I am
concerned about doing this with our modern engines.
They really blow up that 1/2 second of unburned fuel.
But if you must, you must. Just expect it to be loud
and not good for the motor.
I just want to stress the point that a throttle cable
failure to full throttle just means that everything is
still working, but faster than you like. Don't turn
it into an emergency unless you have to.
I think you are the first one on the list to worry
about your plane going too fast. :-0
Rex and Guy should be right that your engine will
restart immediately if you only have it off
momentarily and it is still windmilling. Even in your
cold temps, you shouldn't turn it off long enough to
let it cool much. 50% power is only off 1 out of 2
seconds, etc. Or maybe off at 2800 rpm and back on at
2000?
Some of our older engines had ignitions that let you
control how many cycles went by before it fired.
Every power cycle for full power. Every other cycle,
or even every 1/8th power cycle for reduced power.
Those old engines are interesting to watch run.
Wish I could be there to play with you on the lakes
this winter.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I can't answer your question with any authority, but as always, get the
inspection without any word on the hangar status.
I do know that when I was renting at Livermore, they stipulated that any
tenant wiring cannot result in any lighting withon 6 ft (I believe) of a
fuel source. This eliminated any lights over the wings of high wing
airplanes. Some enterprizing soul pointed out that all existing lighting -
that lone light bulb in the ceiling was within 6 ft. of any high wing
airplane. I think the whole thing was reconsidered considering the already
in place wiring. Here in California it is the fire dept that writes that
sort of rule.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hefferan" <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
> Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
> garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
> kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
> electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
> electrical wiring of hangars.
>
> Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
> inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
>
> Rex
> Colorado
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 break-in procedure??? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
None required... Already was run at the factory..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Anliker
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 break-in procedure???
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Anliker <manliker@uiuc.edu>
Is there a Rotax 912 break-in procedure? I have the Installation,
Maintenance, and Operator's Manuals, but don't see any recommended rpm and
run-time guidelines like you see for 2-strokes. I am aware of the
suggested oil system venting procedure prior to start up.
Mark
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
get it restarted without the help of the starter. Just a bump with the
starter will get it turning at any speed. Its fun to go to about 12,000
feet and shut the engine off and play for awhile. I can trim it up to
where it is only going down a little over 600 fpm if I remember
correctly. That is a long time to get down. It is sort of unnerving the
first time or two that you shut the engine down. I think it is a good
thing to get used to in case it ever happens all on its own.
John Disher wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
>One small detail you might keep in mind. A geared engine doe not windmill I
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Hi all,
Im new to the list and have two questions.
1) what is the major difference in the different models. any one better than
the others?
2) Are there lycoming or continentals running in Kitfox's?
I am going to be looking for a Kitfox to purchase, hopfully one with floats
available
Thanks for your help
Rob Orsolits
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| Subject: | Re: Ktfox Engine |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hubbard" <jhubbard65@comcast.net>
Robert,
As someone who has read this list for the last year or so, let me be the
first to say that you are about to receive a deluge of information on this
subject. Look in the archives for a GREAT discussion on Rotax vs. Lycoming
vs. Continental. I won't presume to have the knowledge and experience of
the many who are sure to answer your question, so I'll watch and learn with
you. Hey Cliff, you want to start this one off?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ktfox Engine
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
> <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Im new to the list and have two questions.
> 1) what is the major difference in the different models. any one better
> than
> the others?
> 2) Are there lycoming or continentals running in Kitfox's?
>
> I am going to be looking for a Kitfox to purchase, hopfully one with
> floats
> available
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Rob Orsolits
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Alan,
I do the same thing. It takes just about a full stall with flaps to get my
prop to stop turning. I have a sink rate of 500 fpm at 60 mph air speed.
It is more like 700 or 800 with the prop turning. I haven't been able to
start it in a dive yet.
I have only gotten into thermals once so far and was able to maintain
altitude for about 3 minutes. Didn't climb any, but didn't lose any
altitude for a while. I got a glider rating about 30 years before I got a
power rating. So far my wife is the only passenger I have subjected to my
glider imitation. She was very apprehensive at first, but then relaxed and
when I bumped the starter to get it going again she was ready to go back up
and do it again. We pulled the headsets off and enjoyed about 8 minutes of
normal conversation until I felt compelled to add some power again.
I have never (out of 5 or 6 times) had any problem with engine re-start. I
do go out over the prairie to assure some fields to land in.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
get it restarted without the help of the starter. Just a bump with the
starter will get it turning at any speed. Its fun to go to about 12,000
feet and shut the engine off and play for awhile. I can trim it up to
where it is only going down a little over 600 fpm if I remember
correctly. That is a long time to get down. It is sort of unnerving the
first time or two that you shut the engine down. I think it is a good
thing to get used to in case it ever happens all on its own.
John Disher wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
>One small detail you might keep in mind. A geared engine doe not windmill I
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I think that they are lighter than aircraft tires too.
But I feel safer with the aircraft tires and they wear forever.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Chambers
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tires
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Travis,
Golf cart or ATV tires work good and much cheaper than "aircraft" tires.
Good selection here $20-$30 range:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/?id=762
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tc9008@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> I want to put larger tires on my KF IV. I have 600x6 on now. Where should
> I
> look for them?
> Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Dee, you hit the nail exactly on the head. There is no need to over-think this.
It's a garage, not a hangar.
do not archive
Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
You are building a garage not a hanger. If you put a boat in it its not a boat
house its still a garage. If you store a plane in it it is still a garage. If
you build the garage at the airport it would be hard to argue that it's a garage
and not a hanger. Don't get caught up in this one. Its not the inspectors business
what you store in the garage and he probably could care less. Hope you
don't mind my direct response.
Dee Young
Model ll
N345DY
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Clifford Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" >
Rex,
There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and any
outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
Cliff
Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
electrical wiring of hangars.
Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
Rex
Colorado
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
FYI, according to Lance they rarely if ever fail and I would suspect one of
the crank trigger pick ups. The engine should still run with one failure of
either component. I would do some swapping and deduction trouble shooting
first. Or, you could buy my complete turbo engine with full functioning
ignitions. :)
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
rkstevens@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
If it's of any help, here's the link to B&C Specialty companies diodes:
http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#d-
25
They differ depending upon capacity (amps) - The one with the heat sink is
good for 25 Amps. Once you remove the diodes from the coil joiner, you
should be able to identify the one you need.
If you can't get it directly from a RadioShack (or equivalent), then
Digi-Key can certainly supply one (They have EVERYTHING imaginable).
Problem is...they're mail order and would take a couple of days to get to
you.
Ron
From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>Thanks
>John Perry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a spark
>> plug.
>> Deke
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>>
>>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
>> single
>>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
>> now
>>> .
>>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
FYI bang might be OK but if its a boom, really bad things can happen. Just
pull power, someday you may get a chance to do the real engine out thing.
Its not much different, just a bit more desent rate than one expects. Just
keep the airspeed up and its a no brainer.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks Rex, John, Guy and Kurt.
Hum, yes, I don't have a reduction gear so I expect my prop will be
windmilling when I stop the engine. Then it will continue to suck fuel
in the cylinders and when I switch ignition on again ... bang! ... or,
the plugs might just be soaked entirely. Don't know.
Anyway, I also look forward to try landing without engine, when the
lake freezes. Incidentally, I flew over it yesterday. Here is a photo.
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Eikern.jpg
The photo was taken to illustrate my best companion, a Garmin PDA +
GPS, that I use with the program PocketFMS. Cool stuff! Done all my
flight plans and navigation since March, with it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
I would like to get some opinions on the EAA video, Aircraft Fabric Covering.
Is it worthwhile enough to have? I have the Poly-Fiber Manual which seems to be
done well.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
You may be right Dee and that's the way I would regard it if I were the
inspector. As it turns out the electrical inspector is a really nice guy
that I've met a few times before, but have not had an inspection from
him yet. I'm going to try to call him tomorrow and see what he has to
say about this.
... and no, I don't mind your response.
Rex
Dee Young wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
>You are building a garage not a hanger. If you put a boat in it its not a boat
house its still a garage. If you store a plane in it it is still a garage. If
you build the garage at the airport it would be hard to argue that it's a garage
and not a hanger. Don't get caught up in this one. Its not the inspectors
business what you store in the garage and he probably could care less. Hope you
don't mind my direct response.
>
>Dee Young
>Model ll
>N345DY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
Dan,
The EAA aircraft covering DVD/Video is excellent! I would highly recommend
it to everyone who is going to be covering aircraft in the future (or
present). I have covered a few aircraft and often find myself going back to
the video to see if there are some tricks that I may be forgetting. Heck, I
just pulled it off of the shelf again since I am getting ready to cover my
Just Aircraft Highlander that I am building.
Stan Bearup
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| Subject: | Re: Full size panel IV-1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
That would be great! I'll be looking for them.
Thanks a lot for all the help, It's what makes this list so Great.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Full size panel IV-1200
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Jim,
> I've got pictures of my panel and the instructions
> in the manual that I can email to you if you'd like.
> I'm at work right now but I can send them to you later
> tonight when I get home.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
> --- Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
>> <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>>
>> I have finally completed a new full size panel for
>> my IV-1200, that will
>> replace my panel/panel tank, that is in my plane
>> now. The problem I have is
>> my manual only has construction pages for the panel
>> tank with the partial
>> panel that's mounted to the panel tank itself. Would
>> some have the paper
>> work for installing a full size panel and maybe a
>> few pictures to assist me
>> in changing out my panel?
>>
>> Jim N94JE IV-1200
>>
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Rick we did change around the equipment and have it isolated to the coil
splitter so it must have a bad diode or 2 in there in one module . Yes it
does run on the othere ignition but really do not want to trust it i would
think .
What kind of price we talkin for the engine package . Really might be
interested .
thanks
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> FYI, according to Lance they rarely if ever fail and I would suspect one
> of
> the crank trigger pick ups. The engine should still run with one failure
> of
> either component. I would do some swapping and deduction trouble shooting
> first. Or, you could buy my complete turbo engine with full functioning
> ignitions. :)
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> rkstevens@verizon.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
> If it's of any help, here's the link to B&C Specialty companies diodes:
> http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#d-
> 25
>
> They differ depending upon capacity (amps) - The one with the heat sink is
> good for 25 Amps. Once you remove the diodes from the coil joiner, you
> should be able to identify the one you need.
>
> If you can't get it directly from a RadioShack (or equivalent), then
> Digi-Key can certainly supply one (They have EVERYTHING imaginable).
> Problem is...they're mail order and would take a couple of days to get to
> you.
>
> Ron
> From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>
>>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>>Thanks
>>John Perry
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>
>>> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a
>>> spark
>>> plug.
>>> Deke
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>>>
>>>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
>>> single
>>>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
>>> now
>>>> .
>>>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>>>
>>>> John Perry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
OK my 2 cents worth here. In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE . Alot of
pilots panic and therefore do not make it to a safe landing , Remember any
landing you walk away from is a good landing . Any landing you walk away
from and can still fly your plane is a excellent landing . Yes the BOOM is
bad but hey ill try anything in an emergency so what if it blows a head
gasket if it runs even somewhat and gets me to a safer landing spot then
thas ok . I want to walk away from the plane not be carried in a casket .
and if it does blow the head gasket then all the better less compression so
runs slower right lol .
Take care all
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Sorry, I though someone said just practicing....your absolutely right in an
emergency fly the plane and sacrifice it and all non life forms around it
even if it only increases your chance of survival by a fraction of a
percent.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Perry
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
OK my 2 cents worth here. In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE . Alot of
pilots panic and therefore do not make it to a safe landing , Remember any
landing you walk away from is a good landing . Any landing you walk away
from and can still fly your plane is a excellent landing . Yes the BOOM is
bad but hey ill try anything in an emergency so what if it blows a head
gasket if it runs even somewhat and gets me to a safer landing spot then
thas ok . I want to walk away from the plane not be carried in a casket .
and if it does blow the head gasket then all the better less compression so
runs slower right lol .
Take care all
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
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