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1. 12:29 AM - SV: Engine start at WOT. (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:32 AM - SV: Windmill prop (Michel Verheughe)
3. 03:24 AM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Gary K)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Windmill prop (John Disher)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (kurt schrader)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? (kurt schrader)
7. 08:08 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Brett Walmsley)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: Windmill prop (Alan & Linda Daniels)
9. 10:17 AM - He Said, She Said... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
10. 01:31 PM - EAA is helping. (Torgeir Mortensen)
11. 01:53 PM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (Michel Verheughe)
12. 02:56 PM - Re: EAA is helping. (jdmcbean)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: EAA is helping. (Michel Verheughe)
14. 03:46 PM - Tailwheel grease (Alan & Linda Daniels)
15. 03:46 PM - Re: Windmill prop (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
16. 04:08 PM - Re: EAA is helping. (Torgeir Mortensen)
17. 04:13 PM - Re: EAA is helping. (Torgeir Mortensen)
18. 04:30 PM - Re: Tailwheel grease (Harris, Robert)
19. 04:49 PM - Re: Pin Map of kitfox owners (Wadetc@aol.com)
20. 04:52 PM - Re: Windmill prop (Bob Robertson)
21. 05:22 PM - Re: Tailwheel grease (Alan & Linda Daniels)
22. 07:47 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (cjswa)
23. 08:16 PM - UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out (Rick)
24. 10:11 PM - Re: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Rick [wingsdown@comcast.net]
> Sorry, I though someone said just practicing....
You are right, Rick, I was talking about practice so that I know what to expect
if it happens for real.
>Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
> In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE
You are right, John, and I have even printed, in red, on my checklist: "Aviate,
navigate, communicate, IN THAT ORDER!"
For the time being, I am only trying to find out what I can do, in a safe way,
in order to train to emergency.
With my Jabiru engine and direct drive, I am not sure I'll be able to stop the
prop to windmill. My only experience of dead-stick landing was with my instructor,
on his Rans with a 912 and yes, I had to pull the nose to near stall speed,
to stop the prop from rotating.
Now, if I can't do that with the Jabiru, what happens to the engine? Fuel is pumped
in the cylinders, the air-cooled engine is cooling very fast, ... is it safe
to switch on magnetos again then?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh [rjdaugh@rapidnet.com]
> I do go out over the prairie to assure some fields to land in.
No prairie in Norway, I am afraid. But loooooong frozen lakes in winter! :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net>
> Rick we did change around the equipment and have it isolated to the coil
> splitter so it must have a bad diode or 2 in there in one module . Yes it
That's an NSI unit and not an MSD coil joiner? Was it mounted directly on
metal or insulated? I was told that even though the MSD units are potted,
they can eventually short out in back so they should be mounted on a
non-conductive pad. I'm just curious if this was the cause.
thanks,
gary
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| Subject: | Re: Windmill prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
I have a 912ul w/3 blade composit prop and have only shut the engine down
once at about 75 mph. It quit turning over almost immediately. The Pulsar I
mentioned had a 912, also with a lightweight 3 blade prop and he was at
pattern speed at about 75 and his quit turning amazingly fast. He was low
on fuel and had unported the pickup, knew that was the problem, immediately
leveled out, but the engine did not continue turning over long enough to
restart.
-------Original Message-------
From: Alan & Linda Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
get it restarted without the help of the starter. Just a bump with the
starter will get it turning at any speed. Its fun to go to about 12,000
feet and shut the engine off and play for awhile. I can trim it up to
where it is only going down a little over 600 fpm if I remember
correctly. That is a long time to get down. It is sort of unnerving the
first time or two that you shut the engine down. I think it is a good
thing to get used to in case it ever happens all on its own.
John Disher wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
>One small detail you might keep in mind. A geared engine doe not windmill I
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
One of the good things about a wide open throttle is
that the pumping losses from the engine are lower, so
the windmilling prop will cause less drag. In fact,
if you are gliding with an engine out, can't stop the
prop, and "have nothing else to do", open the throttle
all the way to extend your glide.
I suspect that only a calm pilot who did everything
else first and was up pretty high would ever come to
think of opening the throttle for better glide though.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > From: Rick [wingsdown@comcast.net]
> > Sorry, I though someone said just practicing....
>
> You are right, Rick, I was talking about practice so
> that I know what to expect if it happens for real.
>
> >Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
> <eskflyer@pld.com>
> > In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE
>
> You are right, John, and I have even printed, in
> red, on my checklist: "Aviate, navigate,
> communicate, IN THAT ORDER!"
>
> For the time being, I am only trying to find out
> what I can do, in a safe way, in order to train to
> emergency.
> With my Jabiru engine and direct drive, I am not
> sure I'll be able to stop the prop to windmill. My
> only experience of dead-stick landing was with my
> instructor, on his Rans with a 912 and yes, I had to
> pull the nose to near stall speed, to stop the prop
> from rotating.
>
> Now, if I can't do that with the Jabiru, what
> happens to the engine? Fuel is pumped in the
> cylinders, the air-cooled engine is cooling very
> fast, ... is it safe to switch on magnetos again
> then?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. WAS: How hot it gets? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Randy,
Mine was on a Franklin 220 hp model, but I have heard
others do it too. Thought I blew the engine when it
happened. Very loud. If it were just fuel exploding
in the exhaust it would have been OK because the helo
had no cowl, but that isn't true for a Fox.
In case of an emergency though, do anything that might
work is the rule. But just a throttle cable failure
is a small event that causes the pilot to look for
another method of speed control. So take your time
and boom if you must.
Kurt S.
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--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> Kurt,
> I don't want you to think that you are the only one
> to turn both mags off in a botched mag check.
> The difference is my lousy memory.
>
> I don't remember ever getting a loud boom on
> restart. I have done it to a continental several
times
> and to my 912s once. (so far!)
>
> Randy - Beautiful flight this morning. Mount
> Rushmore and the first new
> lake in the Black Hills in the last 65 - 70 years.
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
The instuctions on tieing the seine knot are almost worth the price if you
don't know how. The book is very hard to follow.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
>
> Dan,
> The EAA aircraft covering DVD/Video is excellent! I would highly recommend
> it to everyone who is going to be covering aircraft in the future (or
> present). I have covered a few aircraft and often find myself going back
> to
> the video to see if there are some tricks that I may be forgetting. Heck,
> I
> just pulled it off of the shelf again since I am getting ready to cover my
> Just Aircraft Highlander that I am building.
> Stan Bearup
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windmill prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I am not sure what the difference is, but there must be a difference in
props or something. I guess you need to know what your plane does so it
will not surprise you. First chance I get I will go play with the new
plane and see at what speed the prop stops windmilling.
John Disher wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>
>I have a 912ul w/3 blade composit prop and have only shut the engine down
>once at about 75 mph. It quit turning over almost immediately. The Pulsar I
>mentioned had a 912, also with a lightweight 3 blade prop and he was at
>pattern speed at about 75 and his quit turning amazingly fast. He was low
>on fuel and had unported the pickup, knew that was the problem, immediately
>leveled out, but the engine did not continue turning over long enough to
>restart.
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Alan & Linda Daniels
>Date: 11/21/05 19:38:02
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
>mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | He Said, She Said... |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Long time no seen...
Got this one today(among others), from "the UltraFlight Radio".
Maybe this might be to some help for someone..
..........................
Charlie Becker, Experimental Aircraft Association
Skystar Aircraft, manufacturer of the Kitfox kit aircraft, declared
bankruptcy last month. That left some aircraft builders with unfulfilled,
fully paid Rotax engine orders who discovered that they would be getting
neither their engines nor their money back. EAA is helping coordinate an
effort to take a little bit of the sting out of the situation. They are
working to provide a preferred pricing discount program for Kitfox
builders who paid for but did not receive their engines. Charlie Becker
joins us to talk about what may be a one-time deal to get this very
favorable pricing on Rotax engines for those that were hurt by the
bankruptcy. Experimental Aircraft Association, Sport Plane LLC,
http://kitfox.lazair.com/ (11/15/05)
..............................
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:47 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> I suspect that only a calm pilot who did everything
> else first and was up pretty high would ever come to
> think of opening the throttle for better glide though.
>
Then, that would be somebody like you, my friend. :-) So, let me
resume: Without engine, the plane has the least drag with the prop
stopped. Then, with the engine windmilling at WOT (makes sense) and
most drag when windmilling at idle throttle setting. ... I am glad to
say I have learnt something new today too! Thanks!
BTW, I asked the Jabiru list and yes, I can get the prop to stop if I
get near stall speed. Restarting it in flight shouldn't either be a
problem but ... using the starter when windmilling ... ay, ay, ay,
hombre!!! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
This effort is by Sport Plane LLC (Us), Rotax Austria, Kodiak Research, and
the EAA.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Kitfox-List: EAA is helping.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Long time no seen...
Got this one today(among others), from "the UltraFlight Radio".
Maybe this might be to some help for someone..
..........................
Charlie Becker, Experimental Aircraft Association
Skystar Aircraft, manufacturer of the Kitfox kit aircraft, declared
bankruptcy last month. That left some aircraft builders with unfulfilled,
fully paid Rotax engine orders who discovered that they would be getting
neither their engines nor their money back. EAA is helping coordinate an
effort to take a little bit of the sting out of the situation. They are
working to provide a preferred pricing discount program for Kitfox
builders who paid for but did not receive their engines. Charlie Becker
joins us to talk about what may be a one-time deal to get this very
favorable pricing on Rotax engines for those that were hurt by the
bankruptcy. Experimental Aircraft Association, Sport Plane LLC,
http://kitfox.lazair.com/ (11/15/05)
..............................
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA is helping. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
God dag, Torgeir!
On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:37 PM, Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>
> Long time no seen...
>
Yes, I was also wondering how you were doing! Listen, have you put
Tromso on the map here:
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
Cool, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tailwheel grease |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
stringer.
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| Subject: | Re: Windmill prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmjones@innernet.net>
Years ago I had an RV-4 with a recently rebuilt O-360 and a light weight
wood prop. The engine stopped on two separate occasions. Probably carb
ice. In both cases the prop stopped dead. My mechanic thought it was
because of a combination of a tight engine (high compression) and light
prop. You can bet after that I always made sure I had a healthy battery.
Would the same reasoning apply to a 912?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> I am not sure what the difference is, but there must be a difference in
> props or something. I guess you need to know what your plane does so it
> will not surprise you. First chance I get I will go play with the new
> plane and see at what speed the prop stops windmilling.
>
> John Disher wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
>>
>>I have a 912ul w/3 blade composit prop and have only shut the engine down
>>once at about 75 mph. It quit turning over almost immediately. The Pulsar
>>I
>>mentioned had a 912, also with a lightweight 3 blade prop and he was at
>>pattern speed at about 75 and his quit turning amazingly fast. He was low
>>on fuel and had unported the pickup, knew that was the problem,
>>immediately
>>leveled out, but the engine did not continue turning over long enough to
>>restart.
>>-------Original Message-------
>>
>>From: Alan & Linda Daniels
>>Date: 11/21/05 19:38:02
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
>><aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>>
>>In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
>>mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA is helping. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
I'm doing fine-, however, here's been raining, raining and raining....
Since end of August more than 75 days with rain!! Not much time for Fox
flying.
Don't have much photos of my Fox flying, except those taken from the Fox
when airborne.
OK., maybe tomorrow....
Very cool site.
Cheers
Torgeir.
v
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:59:16 +0100, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> God dag, Torgeir!
>
> On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:37 PM, Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>>
>> Long time no seen...
>>
> Yes, I was also wondering how you were doing! Listen, have you put
> Tromso on the map here:
>
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
>
> Cool, isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA is helping. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
John,
Thanks for the correction.
Great job.
Torgeir.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:55:25 -0700, jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> This effort is by Sport Plane LLC (Us), Rotax Austria, Kodiak Research,
> and
> the EAA.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
> Mortensen
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: EAA is helping.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Long time no seen...
>
> Got this one today(among others), from "the UltraFlight Radio".
>
> Maybe this might be to some help for someone..
>
> ..........................
>
>
> Charlie Becker, Experimental Aircraft Association
> Skystar Aircraft, manufacturer of the Kitfox kit aircraft, declared
> bankruptcy last month. That left some aircraft builders with unfulfilled,
> fully paid Rotax engine orders who discovered that they would be getting
> neither their engines nor their money back. EAA is helping coordinate an
> effort to take a little bit of the sting out of the situation. They are
> working to provide a preferred pricing discount program for Kitfox
> builders who paid for but did not receive their engines. Charlie Becker
> joins us to talk about what may be a one-time deal to get this very
> favorable pricing on Rotax engines for those that were hurt by the
> bankruptcy. Experimental Aircraft Association, Sport Plane LLC,
> http://kitfox.lazair.com/ (11/15/05)
>
> ..............................
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Tailwheel grease |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the post. Was it your leaf spring that failed or the cable
springs? By the way I have an 8" Maule Tundra tail wheel but just switched
it over to the 6" home builder special. I did not fly on the 8" Maul but was
curios to know how you like it?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
stringer.
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| Subject: | Re: Pin Map of kitfox owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wadetc@aol.com
Terry Wade I am building a model II kitfox I live at 75 Scotch Bush Rd Burnt
Hills, NY 12027
I would like to find out about other owners builders in my area.
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| Subject: | Re: Windmill prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Ken,
The 912 is not only a high compression engine (well, compared to a lyc or
cont. it is!) it is also gear driven which makes it much harder for the prop
to spin the engine. Couple that with a light propeller and you are going
to be required to have a healthy airpseed in order to get the prop spinning
using just the forward airspeed of the aircraft.
Yup, a good battery is a real good idea. Better idea is to not have it quit
in the first place (big smile)...
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
www.aerocontrols.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmjones@innernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones"
<kmjones@innernet.net>
>
> Years ago I had an RV-4 with a recently rebuilt O-360 and a light weight
> wood prop. The engine stopped on two separate occasions. Probably carb
> ice. In both cases the prop stopped dead. My mechanic thought it was
> because of a combination of a tight engine (high compression) and light
> prop. You can bet after that I always made sure I had a healthy battery.
> Would the same reasoning apply to a 912?
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> > <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
> >
> > I am not sure what the difference is, but there must be a difference in
> > props or something. I guess you need to know what your plane does so it
> > will not surprise you. First chance I get I will go play with the new
> > plane and see at what speed the prop stops windmilling.
> >
> > John Disher wrote:
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
> >>
> >>I have a 912ul w/3 blade composit prop and have only shut the engine
down
> >>once at about 75 mph. It quit turning over almost immediately. The
Pulsar
> >>I
> >>mentioned had a 912, also with a lightweight 3 blade prop and he was at
> >>pattern speed at about 75 and his quit turning amazingly fast. He was
low
> >>on fuel and had unported the pickup, knew that was the problem,
> >>immediately
> >>leveled out, but the engine did not continue turning over long enough to
> >>restart.
> >>-------Original Message-------
> >>
> >>From: Alan & Linda Daniels
> >>Date: 11/21/05 19:38:02
> >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Windmill prop
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> >><aldaniels@fmtc.com>
> >>
> >>In my 912s powered 7 I can turn off the engine, but have to slow to 60
> >>mph to get it to stop wind milling. I then have to dive to 120 mph to
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel grease |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
It was the two leaf spring that bent so bad it jammed the rudder. The
good news is my boy got his tailwheel checkout and the damage is easy to
repair.. I am changing it to the 3 leaf that John McBean is selling.
Some in our group swear by them, however I liked the grove aluminum
tailwheel spring also. . I am changing from the 6 inch maule to the 8
inch maule.The only reason I am changing to the Maule Tundra is I am
planning on putting on the 26 inch tires for some more challenging -
read that probably more foolish- flying. I have flown both and both work
well. I think most problems with a tailwheel are in the main spring and
not with the tailwheel itself. The angle is critical. Some like the
steering springs tight and some like them loose. I like them so it will
ramp out without too much effort. That is a little slack but not much. I
have a extra 6 inch tailwheel, but would like a spare 8 Tundra.
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>Hi Alan,
>Thanks for the post. Was it your leaf spring that failed or the cable
>springs? By the way I have an 8" Maule Tundra tail wheel but just switched
>it over to the 6" home builder special. I did not fly on the 8" Maul but was
>curios to know how you like it?
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
>did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
>amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
>amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
>start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
>grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
>after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
>smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
>but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
>reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
>best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
>and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
>stringer.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cjswa" <cjswa@comcast.net>
Dan,
I would recommend the video. I attended a Sportair fabric covering
workshop, but still use the video as a refresher. Also, for rib lacing, I
set up a portable TV in my shop to go through each step until it became
automatic.
Bill Anderson
Model 4-1050
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Billingsley" <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
<dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>
> I would like to get some opinions on the EAA video, Aircraft Fabric
Covering. Is it worthwhile enough to have? I have the Poly-Fiber Manual
which seems to be done well.
> Dan
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| Subject: | UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I have had several folks ask what was still available so I thought I would
do an up date. Probably missed something. The response has been great. I
would like to thank all for the kind comments from the bottom of my heart.
This group is the best, great guys and gals. I could never leave this list
even if I never fly again.
Rick
The following items are being offered for sale. Prices and offerings
updated as of 11/22/05.
The engine is broken in and has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at aapx. 75 percent of new unless otherwise
stated or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No
tax and actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown@comcast.net
for fast delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need
some right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $10,000 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp No
blades $1,100 list $2165 OBO
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00 SOLD
Header tank aluminum***SOLD
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A SOLD
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price SOLD
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo SOLD
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184 SOLD
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00. SOLD
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00. SOLD
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
SOLD
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75 SOLD
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each. OBO
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000 II With digital cockpit recorder,
$335 List $449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00 SOLD
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery. SOLD
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost 0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00 SOLD
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00 SOLD
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00 SALE PENDING
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder best offer
Elevator best offer
Control rigging and pulleys best offer
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2) with new pads included
Master cylinders (2) 1 SET SOLD
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
Wing tip light set for fiberglass model 5 tip maybe others, with all wire
,breakers, switches, clear lenses, dual element lamp assemblies and
instruction, never installed. 300.00
Wing strut farings set of four, never installed 50.00
Left or right flapperon 300 each both for 500.00
Right wing, minor damage will provide photos on request, with extended
fiberglass tip 1,500
Left wing major damage , tip all but destroyed 500.00
Faired left or right lift strut 350 each both 600.00 OBO
Airframe with quite a few bends but with the right persons could be put
back right again, not for the novice or faint of heart. Airframe will
require recertification and new N-Number. No nose gear. Grove gear included
but will require reworking. Deregistered. Will include wings,
flapperons,lift struts,elevators, rudder and rigging if not previously sold.
First 5,000. takes her. Call for details if interested. Email for home
number. Add 500 for wheels,brakes,tires.
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| Subject: | UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Gee Rick lad, looks like you're right out of building/flying ever again!!
Well, if you make it down under, you're more than welcome to come fly my wee
bird - third wheel in the right palce tho...at the back.. John A. NZ
From: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I have had several folks ask what was still available so I thought I
would
do an up date. Probably missed something. The response has been great. I
would like to thank all for the kind comments from the bottom of my heart.
This group is the best, great guys and gals. I could never leave this list
even if I never fly again.
Rick
The following items are being offered for sale. Prices and offerings
updated as of 11/22/05.
The engine is broken in and has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at aapx. 75 percent of new unless otherwise
stated or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No
tax and actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown@comcast.net
for fast delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need
some right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $10,000 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp No
blades $1,100 list $2165 OBO
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00 SOLD
Header tank aluminum***SOLD
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A SOLD
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price SOLD
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo SOLD
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184 SOLD
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00. SOLD
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00. SOLD
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
SOLD
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75 SOLD
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each. OBO
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000 II With digital cockpit recorder,
$335 List $449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00 SOLD
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery. SOLD
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost
0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00 SOLD
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00 SOLD
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00 SALE PENDING
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder best offer
Elevator best offer
Control rigging and pulleys best offer
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2) with new pads included
Master cylinders (2) 1 SET SOLD
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
Wing tip light set for fiberglass model 5 tip maybe others, with all wire
,breakers, switches, clear lenses, dual element lamp assemblies and
instruction, never installed. 300.00
Wing strut farings set of four, never installed 50.00
Left or right flapperon 300 each both for 500.00
Right wing, minor damage will provide photos on request, with extended
fiberglass tip 1,500
Left wing major damage , tip all but destroyed 500.00
Faired left or right lift strut 350 each both 600.00 OBO
Airframe with quite a few bends but with the right persons could be put
back right again, not for the novice or faint of heart. Airframe will
require recertification and new N-Number. No nose gear. Grove gear included
but will require reworking. Deregistered. Will include wings,
flapperons,lift struts,elevators, rudder and rigging if not previously sold.
First 5,000. takes her. Call for details if interested. Email for home
number. Add 500 for wheels,brakes,tires.
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