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1. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system (Michael Logan)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Michael Logan)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out (Bruce Harrison)
4. 06:50 AM - 26" tires for Bush Work? (Harris, Robert)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out (Rick)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Paul Wilson)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Home garage OR hangar? (Rex Hefferan)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (Paul Peerenboom)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (Rick)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? (Clifford Begnaud)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (kurt schrader)
13. 01:22 PM - Re: SV: Engine start at WOT. (Clifford Begnaud)
14. 02:00 PM - Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
15. 02:05 PM - Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? (Harris, Robert)
16. 02:11 PM - Re: windmilling (Alan & Linda Daniels)
17. 04:39 PM - Kitfox list, references and documents etc. we might need. (Torgeir Mortensen)
18. 05:07 PM - 582 LC (Robert Orsolits)
19. 05:13 PM - Kitfox Bi-plane. (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 05:29 PM - HVLP advice (Brett Walmsley)
21. 05:50 PM - Re: HVLP advice (Dee Young)
22. 05:55 PM - Adhesives (Dan Billingsley)
23. 05:57 PM - What We Are Thankful For... (Matt Dralle)
24. 06:24 PM - Re: What We Are Thankful For... (Rick)
25. 06:34 PM - Re: HVLP advice (Brett Walmsley)
26. 06:42 PM - Re: HVLP advice (Grant Fluent)
27. 07:24 PM - Re: Adhesives (Brett Walmsley)
28. 07:34 PM - Re: 582 LC (aerocon1@telusplanet.net)
29. 07:53 PM - Re: HVLP advice (Dee Young)
30. 07:53 PM - Re: What We Are Thankful For... (Steve Zakreski)
31. 08:17 PM - Re: What We Are Thankful For... (Don Pearsall)
32. 09:02 PM - Re: 582 LC (John Perry)
33. 10:30 PM - Re: Kitfox Bi-plane. (Les Chambers)
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| Subject: | Re: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
John,
I had one of the splitters go bad on me a few years ago and Lance told me
they had a bad batch at one time. It cost me around $250 per splitter. I
wish I knew where he had gotten them because I know he had a tremendous
markup.
Mike
Series 5 NSI SHO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Perry
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Rick we did change around the equipment and have it isolated to the coil
splitter so it must have a bad diode or 2 in there in one module . Yes it
does run on the othere ignition but really do not want to trust it i would
think .
What kind of price we talkin for the engine package . Really might be
interested .
thanks
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> FYI, according to Lance they rarely if ever fail and I would suspect one
> of
> the crank trigger pick ups. The engine should still run with one failure
> of
> either component. I would do some swapping and deduction trouble shooting
> first. Or, you could buy my complete turbo engine with full functioning
> ignitions. :)
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> rkstevens@verizon.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
> If it's of any help, here's the link to B&C Specialty companies diodes:
>
http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#d-
> 25
>
> They differ depending upon capacity (amps) - The one with the heat sink is
> good for 25 Amps. Once you remove the diodes from the coil joiner, you
> should be able to identify the one you need.
>
> If you can't get it directly from a RadioShack (or equivalent), then
> Digi-Key can certainly supply one (They have EVERYTHING imaginable).
> Problem is...they're mail order and would take a couple of days to get to
> you.
>
> Ron
> From: John Perry <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>Date: Mon Nov 21 07:35:08 CST 2005
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>
>>Not the spark plugs but the diodes in the coil joiner . Hopefully we can
>>find another one somewhere or this ignition is toast .
>>Thanks
>>John Perry
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>
>>> That's the coil joiner, made by nsi. However, I still think it's a
>>> spark
>>> plug.
>>> Deke
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi subaru ea81 120 hp ignition system
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>>>>
>>>> thanks Deke any idea if the dual ignition box that then runs to the
>>> single
>>>> plugs is made by electromotive also ? we have eliminated it to this box
>>> now
>>>> .
>>>> Thanks for everyones help .
>>>>
>>>> John Perry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Rex,
Every locality is different. The main difference is that most people think
of a hangar as a commercial building. If you are building a home garage
then the codes are just the residential code. Be sure that you question
anything that they bring up, not necessarily to their face but do the
research. I have found that most inspectors do not really know what they
are talking about when they are just a little bit out of their area of
expertise, such as saying a building is a commercial hangar when they are a
residential inspector.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hefferan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Yes Cliff,
My son mentioned something about minimum height off the floor for
outlets, distance from the aircraft and some other things I'll have to
ask about again now that I'm at that point in finishing the garage. I
recall thinking it would be much easier to build it as a normal
residential garage and park the plane outside on the trailer during the
inspection. I'll probably incorporate some of the requirements anyway.
When I find out I'll pass it on to the list FWIW.
Rex
Colorado
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
>Rex,
>There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and
any
>outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
>Cliff
>
>Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
>garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
>kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
>electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
>electrical wiring of hangars.
>
> Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
>inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
I will take the wing strut fairings, set of 4, unused @$50 if they are still
available. Contact me off list to arrange payment. bharrisonsc@earthlink.net
>From: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out
>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:13:44 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
>
> I have had several folks ask what was still available so I thought I
>would
>do an up date. Probably missed something. The response has been great. I
>would like to thank all for the kind comments from the bottom of my heart.
>This group is the best, great guys and gals. I could never leave this list
>even if I never fly again.
>
>Rick
>
> The following items are being offered for sale. Prices and offerings
>updated as of 11/22/05.
>
> The engine is broken in and has less than 75 hours.
>If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
>something out. I am offering at aapx. 75 percent of new unless otherwise
>stated or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No
>tax and actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown@comcast.net
>for fast delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need
>some right away just let me know.
>
>
> I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
>firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
>engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
>NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
>like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
>
>Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
>collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
>replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil
>changed
>as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
>radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
>ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
>a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
>been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does
>not
>make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power
>operation.
>
>New pistons and rings
>All new bearings and seals
>Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
>Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
>Cylinders line honed
>Crank zero run out
>reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
>new turbo cam coated by Swain
>reconditioned lifters
>stainless down pipe and stack
>heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
>new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
>intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
>Oil lines are Teflon
>New Taylor ignition wires
>Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
>holes
>MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
>New oil pump
>remote filter mount and Teflon lines
>new water pump
>Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
>Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
>Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
>Powder coated aluminum valve covers
>Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
>Alternator with overage voltage unit
>Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
>
>I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
>EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
>the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
>higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
>her run let me know ASAP.
>
>ITEMS FOR SALE:
>
>EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $10,000 list 2002 price
>with
>out upgrades list 11,500.
>
>Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
>rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
>
>CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
>assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp No
>blades $1,100 list $2165 OBO
>
>CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
>$695.00 SOLD
>
>Header tank aluminum***SOLD
>
>Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
>
>Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
>collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
>
>Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
>
>Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A SOLD
>
>Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list
>$1895.00.
>Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price SOLD
>
>Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo SOLD
>
>E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184 SOLD
>
>Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
>$995.00. SOLD
>
>Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
>SOLD
>
>Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
>SOLD
>
>Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75 SOLD
>
>EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each. OBO
>
>Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
>indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
>rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
>
>Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat
>for
>many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
>Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
>$214.00 list $285.00
>
>Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
>
>Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000 II With digital cockpit recorder,
>$335 List $449.00
>
>Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
>
>Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
>$125.00 SOLD
>
>Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
>battery. SOLD
>
>
>PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
>
>Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
>
>Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
>
>Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
>
>Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
>
>Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
>list $840.00
>
>HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
>verify model and price
>
>VDO gages
>
>2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost
>0-15psi,
>RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
>
>Interior
>
>Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
>height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
>the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00 SOLD
>
>Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
>carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front,
>rear
>baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
>area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
>control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
>will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
>
>Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00 SOLD
>
>Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
>
>Airframe
>
>Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
>
>
>Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
>vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00 SALE PENDING
>
>Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
>
>Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
>items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
>need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified
>for
>airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
>moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
>cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
>about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
>freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
>will help you load up.
>
>Wing towing braces $ 55.00
>
>Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
>of replacement.
>
>Wheel pants left side only $50.00
>
>Rudder best offer
>
>Elevator best offer
>
>Control rigging and pulleys best offer
>
>Wheels (2)
>
>Brakes (2) with new pads included
>
>Master cylinders (2) 1 SET SOLD
>
>Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
>
>Wing tip light set for fiberglass model 5 tip maybe others, with all wire
>,breakers, switches, clear lenses, dual element lamp assemblies and
>instruction, never installed. 300.00
>
>Wing strut farings set of four, never installed 50.00
>
>Left or right flapperon 300 each both for 500.00
>Right wing, minor damage will provide photos on request, with extended
>fiberglass tip 1,500
>
>Left wing major damage , tip all but destroyed 500.00
>
>Faired left or right lift strut 350 each both 600.00 OBO
>
>Airframe with quite a few bends but with the right persons could be put
>back right again, not for the novice or faint of heart. Airframe will
>require recertification and new N-Number. No nose gear. Grove gear included
>but will require reworking. Deregistered. Will include wings,
>flapperons,lift struts,elevators, rudder and rigging if not previously
>sold.
>First 5,000. takes her. Call for details if interested. Email for home
>number. Add 500 for wheels,brakes,tires.
>
>
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| Subject: | 26" tires for Bush Work? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Alan,
Thanks again for the info.
It's great your son received his tailwheel check out. I saw you in the
Skystar Demo video and was wondering how long you've been flying the Kitfox
and how many Kitfoxes have you owned? What models do you like?
Also, I'm relieved to hear that you are doing complicated bush work because
I worried that my wheel bolts will shear off in rough field landings.
By the way, approximately what tire size is equivalent to 26"? Is that
something like the McCreary 8.50X6?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
It was the two leaf spring that bent so bad it jammed the rudder. The
good news is my boy got his tailwheel checkout and the damage is easy to
repair.. I am changing it to the 3 leaf that John McBean is selling.
Some in our group swear by them, however I liked the grove aluminum
tailwheel spring also. . I am changing from the 6 inch maule to the 8
inch maule.The only reason I am changing to the Maule Tundra is I am
planning on putting on the 26 inch tires for some more challenging -
read that probably more foolish- flying. I have flown both and both work
well. I think most problems with a tailwheel are in the main spring and
not with the tailwheel itself. The angle is critical. Some like the
steering springs tight and some like them loose. I like them so it will
ramp out without too much effort. That is a little slack but not much. I
have a extra 6 inch tailwheel, but would like a spare 8 Tundra.
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>Hi Alan,
>Thanks for the post. Was it your leaf spring that failed or the cable
>springs? By the way I have an 8" Maule Tundra tail wheel but just switched
>it over to the 6" home builder special. I did not fly on the 8" Maul but
was
>curios to know how you like it?
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
<aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
>did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
>amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
>amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
>start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
>grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
>after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
>smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
>but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
>reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
>best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
>and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
>stringer.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
The paypal account is wingsdown@comcast.net Just add 15.00 for shipping. If
you use paypal I will have your address. Just making sure we are on the same
sheet of music. These go at the point of attachment at the strut to the
wing. When I read your reply from my original post there was some doubt in
my own mind that maybe you thought it was for something for the entire
strut. Just making sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrison
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
I will take the wing strut fairings, set of 4, unused @$50 if they are still
available. Contact me off list to arrange payment. bharrisonsc@earthlink.net
>From: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: UPdate on model 5 Kitfox Long wing parting out
>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:13:44 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
>
> I have had several folks ask what was still available so I thought I
>would
>do an up date. Probably missed something. The response has been great. I
>would like to thank all for the kind comments from the bottom of my heart.
>This group is the best, great guys and gals. I could never leave this list
>even if I never fly again.
>
>Rick
>
> The following items are being offered for sale. Prices and offerings
>updated as of 11/22/05.
>
> The engine is broken in and has less than 75 hours.
>If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
>something out. I am offering at aapx. 75 percent of new unless otherwise
>stated or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No
>tax and actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown@comcast.net
>for fast delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need
>some right away just let me know.
>
>
> I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
>firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
>engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
>NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
>like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
>
>Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
>collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
>replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil
>changed
>as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
>radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
>ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
>a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
>been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does
>not
>make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power
>operation.
>
>New pistons and rings
>All new bearings and seals
>Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
>Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
>Cylinders line honed
>Crank zero run out
>reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
>new turbo cam coated by Swain
>reconditioned lifters
>stainless down pipe and stack
>heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
>new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
>intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
>Oil lines are Teflon
>New Taylor ignition wires
>Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
>holes
>MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
>New oil pump
>remote filter mount and Teflon lines
>new water pump
>Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
>Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
>Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
>Powder coated aluminum valve covers
>Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
>Alternator with overage voltage unit
>Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
>
>I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
>EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
>the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
>higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
>her run let me know ASAP.
>
>ITEMS FOR SALE:
>
>EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $10,000 list 2002 price
>with
>out upgrades list 11,500.
>
>Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
>rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
>
>CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
>assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp No
>blades $1,100 list $2165 OBO
>
>CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
>$695.00 SOLD
>
>Header tank aluminum***SOLD
>
>Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
>
>Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
>collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
>
>Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
>
>Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A SOLD
>
>Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list
>$1895.00.
>Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price SOLD
>
>Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo SOLD
>
>E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184 SOLD
>
>Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
>$995.00. SOLD
>
>Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
>SOLD
>
>Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
>SOLD
>
>Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75 SOLD
>
>EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each. OBO
>
>Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
>indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
>rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
>
>Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat
>for
>many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
>Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
>$214.00 list $285.00
>
>Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
>
>Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000 II With digital cockpit recorder,
>$335 List $449.00
>
>Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
>
>Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
>$125.00 SOLD
>
>Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
>battery. SOLD
>
>
>PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
>
>Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
>
>Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
>
>Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
>
>Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
>
>Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
>list $840.00
>
>HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
>verify model and price
>
>VDO gages
>
>2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost
>0-15psi,
>RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
>
>Interior
>
>Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
>height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
>the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00 SOLD
>
>Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
>carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front,
>rear
>baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
>area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
>control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
>will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
>
>Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00 SOLD
>
>Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
>
>Airframe
>
>Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
>
>
>Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
>vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00 SALE PENDING
>
>Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
>
>Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
>items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
>need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified
>for
>airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
>moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
>cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
>about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
>freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
>will help you load up.
>
>Wing towing braces $ 55.00
>
>Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
>of replacement.
>
>Wheel pants left side only $50.00
>
>Rudder best offer
>
>Elevator best offer
>
>Control rigging and pulleys best offer
>
>Wheels (2)
>
>Brakes (2) with new pads included
>
>Master cylinders (2) 1 SET SOLD
>
>Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
>
>Wing tip light set for fiberglass model 5 tip maybe others, with all wire
>,breakers, switches, clear lenses, dual element lamp assemblies and
>instruction, never installed. 300.00
>
>Wing strut farings set of four, never installed 50.00
>
>Left or right flapperon 300 each both for 500.00
>Right wing, minor damage will provide photos on request, with extended
>fiberglass tip 1,500
>
>Left wing major damage , tip all but destroyed 500.00
>
>Faired left or right lift strut 350 each both 600.00 OBO
>
>Airframe with quite a few bends but with the right persons could be put
>back right again, not for the novice or faint of heart. Airframe will
>require recertification and new N-Number. No nose gear. Grove gear included
>but will require reworking. Deregistered. Will include wings,
>flapperons,lift struts,elevators, rudder and rigging if not previously
>sold.
>First 5,000. takes her. Call for details if interested. Email for home
>number. Add 500 for wheels,brakes,tires.
>
>
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| Subject: | Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Hi Mike,
FYI, The NEC is all inclusive there is a chapter for every king of
building be it an airplane hanger or residence, industrial building, etc..
Every electrical inspector I have made contact with had at least one
version of the book with them or in their truck. Pretty easy to make your
garage compliant. And it can be done an no extra cost compared to a
residential garage.
Paul
===============
At 07:33 AM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
>Rex,
>
>Every locality is different. The main difference is that most people think
>of a hangar as a commercial building. If you are building a home garage
>then the codes are just the residential code. Be sure that you question
>anything that they bring up, not necessarily to their face but do the
>research. I have found that most inspectors do not really know what they
>are talking about when they are just a little bit out of their area of
>expertise, such as saying a building is a commercial hangar when they are a
>residential inspector.
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hefferan
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Home garage OR hangar?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
>Yes Cliff,
> My son mentioned something about minimum height off the floor for
>outlets, distance from the aircraft and some other things I'll have to
>ask about again now that I'm at that point in finishing the garage. I
>recall thinking it would be much easier to build it as a normal
>residential garage and park the plane outside on the trailer during the
>inspection. I'll probably incorporate some of the requirements anyway.
>When I find out I'll pass it on to the list FWIW.
>
>Rex
>Colorado
>
>Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
><shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> >
> >Rex,
> >There are usually minimum distance requirements between the aircraft and
>any
> >outlets. Check with your local building inspector.
> >Cliff
> >
> >Here's a question I haven't seen discussed yet. I'm building a home
> >garage/workshop which will be the construction shop and storage for my
> >kitfox. I'm just starting the rough wiring of the garage. My son is an
> >electrician and tells me that there are special regulations covering
> >electrical wiring of hangars.
> >
> > Will storing an airworthy kitplane in a home garage make that garage
> >inspection considered as a hangar by an electrical inspector?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Home garage OR hangar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Paul & Mike,
Thanks for your input. What I've determined is: if it looks like it's a
home residential car garage when the inspection is done that's the code
it will have to comply to. Basically for a hangar, a min. of 18" above
the floor for outlets and ceiling fixtures hung a certain distance below
the ceiling. (I think it was 18" also.) GFCI protection on all outlets
and maybe a few other things. The primary reason is to avoid igniting
gases heavier or lighter than air that may accumulate. Not hard to
comply and I'll do what makes sense for my use.
Rex
Colorado
Paul Wilson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
>Hi Mike,
> FYI, The NEC is all inclusive there is a chapter for every king of
>building be it an airplane hanger or residence, industrial building, etc..
>Every electrical inspector I have made contact with had at least one
>version of the book with them or in their truck. Pretty easy to make your
>garage compliant. And it can be done an no extra cost compared to a
>residential garage.
> Paul
>===============
>
>At 07:33 AM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>>
>>Rex,
>>
>>Every locality is different. The main difference is that most people think
>>of a hangar as a commercial building. If you are building a home garage
>>then the codes are just the residential code. Be sure that you question
>>anything that they bring up, not necessarily to their face but do the
>>research. I have found that most inspectors do not really know what they
>>are talking about when they are just a little bit out of their area of
>>expertise, such as saying a building is a commercial hangar when they are a
>>residential inspector.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Kurt I may have this messed up but isn't there less drag with the prop
stopped then windmilling?
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> One of the good things about a wide open throttle is
> that the pumping losses from the engine are lower, so
> the windmilling prop will cause less drag. In fact,
> if you are gliding with an engine out, can't stop the
> prop, and "have nothing else to do", open the throttle
> all the way to extend your glide.
>
> I suspect that only a calm pilot who did everything
> else first and was up pretty high would ever come to
> think of opening the throttle for better glide though.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI
>
> --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
>> > From: Rick [wingsdown@comcast.net]
>> > Sorry, I though someone said just practicing....
>>
>> You are right, Rick, I was talking about practice so
>> that I know what to expect if it happens for real.
>>
>> >Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
>> <eskflyer@pld.com>
>> > In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE
>>
>> You are right, John, and I have even printed, in
>> red, on my checklist: "Aviate, navigate,
>> communicate, IN THAT ORDER!"
>>
>> For the time being, I am only trying to find out
>> what I can do, in a safe way, in order to train to
>> emergency.
>> With my Jabiru engine and direct drive, I am not
>> sure I'll be able to stop the prop to windmill. My
>> only experience of dead-stick landing was with my
>> instructor, on his Rans with a 912 and yes, I had to
>> pull the nose to near stall speed, to stop the prop
>> from rotating.
>>
>> Now, if I can't do that with the Jabiru, what
>> happens to the engine? Fuel is pumped in the
>> cylinders, the air-cooled engine is cooling very
>> fast, ... is it safe to switch on magnetos again
>> then?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
The 26 inch tire is a lot bigger than a 8:50x6, but uses the same tube
as the tire is designed tubeless. Wag Aero sells them as a poor mans
tundra tire. They are about $400 each instead of $1500 for Alaska
bushwheels. The only problem is that with a tube if the tire slips on
the rim it will pull the valve stem out of the tube, which is the big
advantage of the true tundra tires. One friend with a bigger back
country plane - 4 place with 200 HP - says he needs to keep at least 8
psi to keep it from slipping, and another friend that runs them - a
lurker on the list - likes 4-5 psi in his Kitfox. For Idaho back country
flying 8:00 or 8:50's work great. The only reason to use the bigger
tires is for really soft like beach or river bands, or for rock and
ruts. I don't feel the need for them here, but for Alaska flying it is a
different story. Paul -the lurker- even lands on glaciers with his Fox.
Most of use just play with our big boy toys real gentle, but his Fox is
left outside-close to the ocean- year round and flown off and on stuff that
gives it a real beating. Most have no idea what abuse this little plane
can really take. I have never heard of tearing a main wheel off, but I
am sure it could happen. One in our group had a failure in the
controls - bolt came out, and hit so hard that the transponder antenna
was bent - it only stick down about an inch below the gear mount- and
the wheels did not come off. I don't know how you can hit any harder
than that and still have to worry about it.
I have built a 5 Vixen with a CAM 100, a 7 with a 912s, and a 5 with a 7
FWF 912s. I think the Vixen is the best flying, and with trigear it
handles like a go cart on the ground. The only difference between my 5
and 7 are the trim and the flaperons. The 7 stalls 4 to 5 mph slower,
but I think is a little slower to respond in roll. I have built other
planes and still think that the Fox is the class of the field for this
type of plane. Nothing else even comes close.
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>Hi Alan,
>Thanks again for the info.
>
>It's great your son received his tailwheel check out. I saw you in the
>Skystar Demo video and was wondering how long you've been flying the Kitfox
>and how many Kitfoxes have you owned? What models do you like?
>
>Also, I'm relieved to hear that you are doing complicated bush work because
>I worried that my wheel bolts will shear off in rough field landings.
>
>By the way, approximately what tire size is equivalent to 26"? Is that
>something like the McCreary 8.50X6?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>It was the two leaf spring that bent so bad it jammed the rudder. The
>good news is my boy got his tailwheel checkout and the damage is easy to
>repair.. I am changing it to the 3 leaf that John McBean is selling.
>Some in our group swear by them, however I liked the grove aluminum
>tailwheel spring also. . I am changing from the 6 inch maule to the 8
>inch maule.The only reason I am changing to the Maule Tundra is I am
>planning on putting on the 26 inch tires for some more challenging -
>read that probably more foolish- flying. I have flown both and both work
>well. I think most problems with a tailwheel are in the main spring and
>not with the tailwheel itself. The angle is critical. Some like the
>steering springs tight and some like them loose. I like them so it will
>ramp out without too much effort. That is a little slack but not much. I
>have a extra 6 inch tailwheel, but would like a spare 8 Tundra.
>
>Harris, Robert wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
>>
>>
><Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>
>>Hi Alan,
>>Thanks for the post. Was it your leaf spring that failed or the cable
>>springs? By the way I have an 8" Maule Tundra tail wheel but just switched
>>it over to the 6" home builder special. I did not fly on the 8" Maul but
>>
>>
>was
>
>
>>curios to know how you like it?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>>Daniels
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
>>
>>
><aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>
>>Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
>>did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
>>amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
>>amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
>>start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
>>grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
>>after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
>>smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
>>but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
>>reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
>>best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
>>and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
>>stringer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
My 2 cents, yes but if you cannot stop the prop then as coruse a pitch as
you can get with the least resistance such as Kurt suggest. I have to admit
though I would never have thought, nor has any instructor ever mentioned,
the benifit of a WOT in this situation. You da man Kurt.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Kurt I may have this messed up but isn't there less drag with the prop
stopped then windmilling?
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Engine start at WOT.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> One of the good things about a wide open throttle is
> that the pumping losses from the engine are lower, so
> the windmilling prop will cause less drag. In fact,
> if you are gliding with an engine out, can't stop the
> prop, and "have nothing else to do", open the throttle
> all the way to extend your glide.
>
> I suspect that only a calm pilot who did everything
> else first and was up pretty high would ever come to
> think of opening the throttle for better glide though.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI
>
> --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
>> > From: Rick [wingsdown@comcast.net]
>> > Sorry, I though someone said just practicing....
>>
>> You are right, Rick, I was talking about practice so
>> that I know what to expect if it happens for real.
>>
>> >Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
>> <eskflyer@pld.com>
>> > In a inflight emergency FLY THE PLANE
>>
>> You are right, John, and I have even printed, in
>> red, on my checklist: "Aviate, navigate,
>> communicate, IN THAT ORDER!"
>>
>> For the time being, I am only trying to find out
>> what I can do, in a safe way, in order to train to
>> emergency.
>> With my Jabiru engine and direct drive, I am not
>> sure I'll be able to stop the prop to windmill. My
>> only experience of dead-stick landing was with my
>> instructor, on his Rans with a 912 and yes, I had to
>> pull the nose to near stall speed, to stop the prop
>> from rotating.
>>
>> Now, if I can't do that with the Jabiru, what
>> happens to the engine? Fuel is pumped in the
>> cylinders, the air-cooled engine is cooling very
>> fast, ... is it safe to switch on magnetos again
>> then?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Alan,
Can you provide a link, or a stock number for this tire? Does it fit on
standard 6" cleveland wheels?
Thanks,
Cliff
The 26 inch tire is a lot bigger than a 8:50x6, but uses the same tube
as the tire is designed tubeless. Wag Aero sells them as a poor mans
tundra tire. They are about $400 each instead of $1500 for Alaska
bushwheels.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes, you are right Paul,
Sorry for my confused writing. The least drag is from
a stopped prop. If the prop is turning, it has to
take additional energy out of the air to turn the
engine over, which causes more drag.
Think of the the energy your starter has to use to
turn the engine over and multiply that by how fast the
windmilling prop is turning. The air is doing the
work thru the prop and you are using it to pump air,
oil and water thru the engine.
If you open the throttle, there is less restriction on
the engine pumping ait thru and out the exhaust, so it
takes a little less energy. But a stopped prop is a
lot better.
If anyone wants to crank their engine over with
ignition off and compare open and closed throttles,
you might see a difference. But the windmilling prop
spinning a lot faster sees a bigger difference. How
much?
For those who dont like math:
Windmilling - a lot fo drag.
Windmilling with throttle open - a little less drag.
Stopped prop - A lot better
OK, for those who like math:
Assuming you have 12 volts while cranking? (A fresh
battery)
And your starter draws 300 amps?
Volts times amps = watts
12v x 300a = 3600 watts
746 watts / HP (by memory. I am writing this in
Brazil at the moment)
3600/746 = 4.8 hp (That is pure with no mechanical
losses. 80% of that might be real starter output.)
Shows why your little starter can get so hot and wear
the battery down quickly too. Of course the size of
your starter can vary from this. I just took a stab
at it. It might say right on your starter how many
amps it draws. And you might see down to 8 volts, not
12 when cranking.
Anyway, that fast windmilling prop might be like a 10
or 15 hp engine running in reverse for all the drag it
makes. Opening the throttle might save you 2 or 3 hp.
Again a guess. At any rate, stopping the prop is so
much better....
Any corrections or improvements from the electrical
wizzes out there?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Paul Peerenboom <ppeerenbo@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Kurt I may have this messed up but isn't there less
> drag with the prop stopped then windmilling?
>
> Paul N102DG
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| Subject: | Re: Engine start at WOT. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I can vouch from personal experience that an airplane will glide MUCH
farther with the prop stopped than it will with it windmilling.
Cliff
Yes, you are right Paul,
Sorry for my confused writing. The least drag is from
a stopped prop. If the prop is turning, it has to
take additional energy out of the air to turn the
engine over, which causes more drag.
Think of the the energy your starter has to use to
turn the engine over and multiply that by how fast the
windmilling prop is turning. The air is doing the
work thru the prop and you are using it to pump air,
oil and water thru the engine.
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| Subject: | Re: 26" tires for Bush Work? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
www.wagaero.com and the part number is D-293-000 and they do fit right
on the 6 inch Cleveland wheels. It is listed as a tubeless tundra tire,
but it really does need a tube on our wheels. I think it is a blimp tire
or something.
Alan
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>Alan,
>Can you provide a link, or a stock number for this tire? Does it fit on
>standard 6" cleveland wheels?
>Thanks,
>Cliff
>
>The 26 inch tire is a lot bigger than a 8:50x6, but uses the same tube
>as the tire is designed tubeless. Wag Aero sells them as a poor mans
>tundra tire. They are about $400 each instead of $1500 for Alaska
>bushwheels.
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 26" tires for Bush Work? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Alan your reply motivates me to do bush work in my model V and makes feel
"Thankful" to own a Kitfox. I've done a little bush work in my 582 model II
and look forward to doing bush work in my model V.
Have a Great Thanksgiving,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 26" tires for Bush Work?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
The 26 inch tire is a lot bigger than a 8:50x6, but uses the same tube
as the tire is designed tubeless. Wag Aero sells them as a poor mans
tundra tire. They are about $400 each instead of $1500 for Alaska
bushwheels. The only problem is that with a tube if the tire slips on
the rim it will pull the valve stem out of the tube, which is the big
advantage of the true tundra tires. One friend with a bigger back
country plane - 4 place with 200 HP - says he needs to keep at least 8
psi to keep it from slipping, and another friend that runs them - a
lurker on the list - likes 4-5 psi in his Kitfox. For Idaho back country
flying 8:00 or 8:50's work great. The only reason to use the bigger
tires is for really soft like beach or river bands, or for rock and
ruts. I don't feel the need for them here, but for Alaska flying it is a
different story. Paul -the lurker- even lands on glaciers with his Fox.
Most of use just play with our big boy toys real gentle, but his Fox is
left outside-close to the ocean- year round and flown off and on stuff that
gives it a real beating. Most have no idea what abuse this little plane
can really take. I have never heard of tearing a main wheel off, but I
am sure it could happen. One in our group had a failure in the
controls - bolt came out, and hit so hard that the transponder antenna
was bent - it only stick down about an inch below the gear mount- and
the wheels did not come off. I don't know how you can hit any harder
than that and still have to worry about it.
I have built a 5 Vixen with a CAM 100, a 7 with a 912s, and a 5 with a 7
FWF 912s. I think the Vixen is the best flying, and with trigear it
handles like a go cart on the ground. The only difference between my 5
and 7 are the trim and the flaperons. The 7 stalls 4 to 5 mph slower,
but I think is a little slower to respond in roll. I have built other
planes and still think that the Fox is the class of the field for this
type of plane. Nothing else even comes close.
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>Hi Alan,
>Thanks again for the info.
>
>It's great your son received his tailwheel check out. I saw you in the
>Skystar Demo video and was wondering how long you've been flying the Kitfox
>and how many Kitfoxes have you owned? What models do you like?
>
>Also, I'm relieved to hear that you are doing complicated bush work because
>I worried that my wheel bolts will shear off in rough field landings.
>
>By the way, approximately what tire size is equivalent to 26"? Is that
>something like the McCreary 8.50X6?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
<aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>It was the two leaf spring that bent so bad it jammed the rudder. The
>good news is my boy got his tailwheel checkout and the damage is easy to
>repair.. I am changing it to the 3 leaf that John McBean is selling.
>Some in our group swear by them, however I liked the grove aluminum
>tailwheel spring also. . I am changing from the 6 inch maule to the 8
>inch maule.The only reason I am changing to the Maule Tundra is I am
>planning on putting on the 26 inch tires for some more challenging -
>read that probably more foolish- flying. I have flown both and both work
>well. I think most problems with a tailwheel are in the main spring and
>not with the tailwheel itself. The angle is critical. Some like the
>steering springs tight and some like them loose. I like them so it will
>ramp out without too much effort. That is a little slack but not much. I
>have a extra 6 inch tailwheel, but would like a spare 8 Tundra.
>
>Harris, Robert wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
>>
>>
><Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>
>>Hi Alan,
>>Thanks for the post. Was it your leaf spring that failed or the cable
>>springs? By the way I have an 8" Maule Tundra tail wheel but just switched
>>it over to the 6" home builder special. I did not fly on the 8" Maul but
>>
>>
>was
>
>
>>curios to know how you like it?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>>Daniels
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel grease
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
>>
>>
><aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>
>>Just a quick maintenance note. If you have an 8 inch Maule tailwheel it
>>did not come from the factory loaded with grease. It only has a small
>>amount of light grease on the bearings for shipping. It takes a fair
>>amount of grease to load the cavity the first time to get grease to
>>start coming out, but from then on it takes very little. The shipping
>>grease does not do a good job of protecting the bearings from corrosion
>>after it has been used a little. Check your tailwheel to make sure it is
>>smooth and greased. Those little bearings will set you back over $40,
>>but failed bearings are worse. If you are taking the spring off for any
>>reason, like I just did because of a factory spring failure, I found the
>>best way to jack up the tail is to put a bolt in the tow bar mount hole
>>and use a jack. It is better than resting it on the fabric and bottom
>>stringer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Those of us that are twin rated know that it makes a lot of difference
if the prop is windmill or not. One trick to use on a plane with a
constant speed prop is to pull that little blue lever back if you need
more glide. It feels like you took the brakes off.
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>I can vouch from personal experience that an airplane will glide MUCH
>farther with the prop stopped than it will with it windmilling.
>Cliff
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox list, references and documents etc. we might need. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
As we all know that the Skystar web site is now closed down-, and that we
all might need the documentation stored herein from time to time, then,
-where can we get a true copy?
It seems that there are "some" copies around from the old Skystar site
that is more or less complete.
However, there is only one place where a true "historical Skystar copy"
can be found-, and this is at "our own" site;
http://www.sportflight.com/skystar
BTW. this is the adress to Sportflight site:
http://www.sportflight.com
(You might ask- why I'll know this fact, well- after we got the message
about SS, I made my own copy of this site just for my own use as a Kitfox
owner.)
Now, bookmark this one, as it is meant for our "historical" use -until a
new
Kitfox home is born (I'll hope).
IMO., if there is any place such a copy can be (accepted) hosted, it is
on the sportflight site!
Also, this list is the "real" Kitfoxlist, "founded" back in 94, now hosted
by "www.matronics.com".
Heres "some" historical info about the Kitfox list.
This is the very first mail to the Kitfox list, I'll think it was
re-posted to the Kitfox list in 2000 by Jim Simmons.
(I know that Don Pearsall have been on this list since 94, right? )
Here we go:
Here is the first message sent to the list. The date was June 2, 1994.
>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:05:34 -0600
>Reply-To: kitfox@lists.colorado.edu
>From: "Jim Simmons" <SIMMONS-J@darth.hsc.colorado.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <kitfox@lists.colorado.edu>
>Subject: Greetings
>
>Greetings from your own KITFOX mailing list owner,
>This list is only two weeks old and I checked the list of subscribers
today
>and there are 16 of you which is more that I expected to see so soon.
>However, no messages have hit the list so I have decided to send one to
>make sure this thing is working and to get the ball rolling.
>
>My name is Jim Simmons and I live in Boulder, Colorado. I am building
>Kitfox Model III, S/N 859 which means I've been doing a pretty good job
of
>making this project last.
>
>I hope this list will become a place where we can learn from each other's
>experiences. So if you have a question or have learned something which
>might be interesting to the group just put it in an e-mail and we will
>discuss it! In the meantime why not send in a short introduction of
>yourself so we all get a feel for who is in the group.
>
>Jim Simmons <Simmons-J@darth.hsc.colorado.edu>
>University of Colorado Health Sciences Center
>Denver, Colorado
Also, Tim Foss, who is in the picture, sent his first message to the list
on August 3, 1994.
Jim Simmons
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Back in 1999 the Kitfox list was hosted by Jim Crowder and the list address
was; "kitfox@lists.sni.net"
He's an interesting "historical" messages from 1999, addressed to one we
all (list people) know;
---------------------------------------------
Subject:
RE: 1st Ever Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ
From: Akerstrom <Akerstrom@worldnet.att.net>
"'kitfox@lists.sni.net'" <kitfox@lists.sni.net>
Lowell,
It was just a weak attempt at humor. We will be driving up in our new
Subaru Outback (car). We wish we could fly-in, but that will be much, much
later. That is the best we can do now as our progress has been lagging a
bit -- life has been hectic between both our careers, Ed taking two classes
since January, and the happiest thing is we are planning our small wedding
in Tahoe this July, so we can't complain about that.
We are still working on the plane's tail and looking forward to building
the wing soon. The details are: We live in San Jose, California, building
our Outback N71KF in our garage, it will be bright yellow, the engine will
most likely be a Lycoming O-235, and so far our work is award winning
quality.
Ed and Jay
On Saturday, April 10, 1999 7:34 PM, Lowell C. Fitt
[SMTP:lcfitt@innercite.com] wrote:
> Ed,
>
> It is great that you can make it. Tell me a little about yourself and
Jay. It sounds like you have one Outback flying and
> another in the "factory". When you said drive-n the outback, I assume
you will be flying in. At least I hope that is what
> you meant. We have a few Outback builders who are not yet flying. It
would be great to have one here in the flesh.
>
> I hope to be able to send out a roster of attendees with names, addresses
(e-mail & Postal) a little about the airplane,
> model, engine, N#, color etc.
>
> A number of the folks have expressed interest in helping out, but Kay and
I haven't decided just how to go about doing
> that. We originally had planned to put on something pretty simple and I
am a little nervous about embarrassing someone
> that might come without bringing something while others do. I will let
you know what we decide.
>
> I am glad you are coming.
>
> Lowell
>
>
> Ed Akerstrom wrote:
>
> > Lowell,
> >
> > We'd be glad to drive-in our Outback (Soob). The building of the other
Outback is still in progress so we can't fly-in.
> >
> > Is there anything we can bring?
> >
> > Thanks, Lowell, we look forward to it!!
> >
> > Jay and Ed
> > N71KF
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Next one, is the goodbye to the "kitfox@lists.sni.net" -the last message
before the "Sportflight site".
--------------------------------------------------------
Subject: THANKS
From: Jim McManus <jmcmanus@polarcom.com>
kitfox@sportflight.com
Jim :
Goodbye, and thank you for all the work you've done for the Kitfox List
for so long. We shall miss you.
Did I read that your project is finished ? Congrats -- Happy Flying
! You must be _so_ satisfied.
Jim McManus
Here is the first message from the sportflight.com "kitfox@sportflight.com"
Hosted by Don Pearsall
Subject:
Welcome to the new Kitfox List
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@home.com>
Hello Kitfox List members.
If you are getting this message, that means that you have been successfully
added to the new Kitfox list server at kitfox@sportflight.com
You email address has also been deleted from the old list server, so do not
use
that one any more. Nothing has changed except for the address that you send
Kitfox mail to.
Remember, if you hit "Reply" to any previous Kitfox message you have saved,
it will go to the OLD address. You must manually change the TO: address to
kitfox@sportflight.com
Also, remember to change any rules that your email program uses to separate
your Kitfox mail from your other mail.
Happy Building,
Don Pearsall and Darrel Morisse
Here's the move to (in November 2003) the "kitfox-list@matronics.com",
hosted
by Matt Dralle.
Subject: New List location update
From: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Kitfox Listers,
This is an update regarding the new Kitfox List location to let you all
know that the changeover is still in theworks and is moving according
to schedule. First of all, this is not a new list. It's simply changing
locations to a better place. Here's the plan.
Once we get everyone subscribed (about 330) and it appears that the list is
operating normally we will make a full transition to the new list location.
During that period the old list will continue to operate temporarily until
we're satisfied all is ok, then we will pull the plug. Currently,
the time scheduled for changeover is tonight (Friday) at midnight and after
that time you should begin making your posts and replies to
kitfox-list@matronics.com Realistically speaking you should expect a few
glitches temporarily, so please be patient with this until the transition
is made. If you feel you were left off the new list, and we expect a
certain amount of this to happen, just go to
http://www.matronics.com/subscription and subscribe yourself. This will
send a message to Don and I who will do the rest.
If you don't want individual messesages as they filter in, you can use the
digest feature and all message will be sent to you once per day. This is a
very handy feature for people who are busy and only have limited
oportunities to read and/or respond to the postings. Once you go to the
particular link below that you're interested in, the rest is self
explanitory and you shouldn't have any problem. One bonus to the digest
feature is that the trailer below is only received once per day when the
entire day's messages are downloaded.
Please be patient and if you're having a problem posting or receiving, try
to handle it yourself before you start sending panic messages to the list.
This will only foster chaos and we don't want that. If you aren't having
any luck with fixing your problem, send either myself, Darrel Morisse
morid@northland.lib.mi.us or Don Pearsall donpearsall@comcast.net a note
asking for help. We'll be glad to do whatever we can.
Browse the links below and especially, read the list FAQ.
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
More as it evolves.
Darrel Morisse and Don Pearsall
List Administrators
This was just some info for those who want to know a "little more" about
this list, -and I'm sure others here on the list can fill in more info if
needed.
BTW. Is the old archive (from before 2000) still available?
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Cab someone tell me the HP of the Rotex 582 LC
Thanks
Rob
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| Subject: | Kitfox Bi-plane. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi there,
Some time ago someone mentioned that "someone" has built a Kitfox
Bi-plane, well this someone is "one of a kind", Dan Denney, the designer
of the Kitfox (and co-designer of the Avid).
Here's a direct link to the Kitfox Bi-plane:
http://www.precision-aircraft.net/Gallery%20Photos/Bi-plane.jpg
Here's the Kitfox Bi-plane on the ground (note the Kitfox logo):
http://www.precision-aircraft.net/Gallery%20Photos/N95FX-Tetons.jpg
Well, Dan Denney is still working with "high performance" aircraft as he
is the president of Precision Aircraft. Dan has certainly not forgotten
the Kitfox, check out this gallery and see for yourself:
(Just roll a little bit down.)
http://www.precision-aircraft.net/gallery_1.htm
This is the "start page":
http://www.precision-aircraft.net/
( Could be interesting to hear Dan and John (McBean) talking about
Kitfox... :) )
Enjoy.
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter Cable HVLP
top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input regarding tip size,
pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared) painter.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool around some, set the pressure where
you feel it works best for you. The top load HVLP gun is very simple to use,
just strain everything that goes through it and keep it clean.
I was nervous too, but I read some real good advice here on the list. It went something
like this, if your going to show your plane get someone who is a professional
to paint it. If your going to fly it, get going and paint it, you may
be repairing it some time. Beside it will turn out fine and its fun. Kinda like
rib stitching you know.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter Cable
HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input regarding tip
size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared) painter.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
I know this is a newbie question, however since I'm a newbie that makes me entitled
to my ignorance :>) In my builders manual, 3M 2216 b/a is referred to...however,
the Hysol is what I hear about as an adhesive quite a bit. Are there
different jobs for these two or are they interchangeable...personal preference?
is the EA-9430 the one that is most used?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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| Subject: | What We Are Thankful For... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
In the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us
will be traveling to be with our families and friends and share in generous feasts
of plenty.
Many have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the
Aviation Lists here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and
comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. I think one of my
favorite comments is when someone says something like, "Its the first thing
I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful
tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear
I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!!
I'm not sure why, but the number of Contributions have been a little low this year
compared to years past. Hopefully people are just waiting until the last
minute to make their List Support Contribution this year.
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade? Don't make me beg... :-) lol
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Thanks to everyone that already made their Contribution!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
You know I didn't give much but cant imagine anyone that is building, flying
or just learning that cant give at least something. That would seem just
plain ungrateful. Sorry don't care much for stingy people.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
In the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of
us will be traveling to be with our families and friends and share in
generous feasts of plenty.
Many have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for
the Aviation Lists here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. I
think one of my favorite comments is when someone says something like, "Its
the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
I'm not sure why, but the number of Contributions have been a little low
this year compared to years past. Hopefully people are just waiting until
the last minute to make their List Support Contribution this year.
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and
for their continued operation and upgrade? Don't make me beg... :-) lol
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks to everyone that already made their Contribution!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
What pressure would be a good place to start?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool around some, set the pressure
> where you feel it works best for you. The top load HVLP gun is very simple
> to use, just strain everything that goes through it and keep it clean.
>
> I was nervous too, but I read some real good advice here on the list. It
> went something like this, if your going to show your plane get someone who
> is a professional to paint it. If your going to fly it, get going and
> paint it, you may be repairing it some time. Beside it will turn out fine
> and its fun. Kinda like rib stitching you know.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
>
> Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter
> Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input
> regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared)
> painter.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Brett,
I sprayed my Classic IV with a gravity feed HVLP
with a 1.3mm nozzle. I would think the 1.5mm would
work fine also. What I found was that all of the Poly
Fiber chemicals sprayed the same once I had the gun
set. I used the Polytone paint and got great results.
I have heard that the Aerothane does spray different
though.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Brett Walmsley <N93HJ@numail.org> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
> <N93HJ@numail.org>
>
> Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly
> spray. I have a Porter Cable HVLP top load gun with
> a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input regarding
> tip size, pressure or any other advice for this
> novice (scared) painter.
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
The Hysol has replaced the 3M as the preferred epoxy. I have used both and
like the Hysol much better. It is easier to mix 50/50 (use powder scales if
you are a cartridge reloader) The 3m is droopy forever. Hysol sets up
quicker (that can work for you and against you). Both will clean up with
alcohol before the set.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Billingsley" <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Adhesives
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
> <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>
> I know this is a newbie question, however since I'm a newbie that makes me
> entitled to my ignorance :>) In my builders manual, 3M 2216 b/a is
> referred to...however, the Hysol is what I hear about as an adhesive
> quite a bit. Are there different jobs for these two or are they
> interchangeable...personal preference? is the EA-9430 the one that is most
> used?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dan
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Robert,
The Rotax 582 is rated at 65 hp.
Bob Robertson
Quoting Robert Orsolits <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
> <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>
> Cab someone tell me the HP of the Rotex 582 LC
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Brett
Can't remember for sure what I used, start with 20psi and work from there. I used
the Poly products and finished off with Aero thane. Am happy with the results
and it wasn't that hard to do.
Dee
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
What pressure would be a good place to start?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
>
> Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool around some, set the pressure
> where you feel it works best for you. The top load HVLP gun is very simple
> to use, just strain everything that goes through it and keep it clean.
>
> I was nervous too, but I read some real good advice here on the list. It
> went something like this, if your going to show your plane get someone who
> is a professional to paint it. If your going to fly it, get going and
> paint it, you may be repairing it some time. Beside it will turn out fine
> and its fun. Kinda like rib stitching you know.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>>
>
> Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter
> Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input
> regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared)
> painter.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Thanks for the reminder Matt. Donation sent. And... thank you.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
You know I didn't give much but cant imagine anyone that is building, flying
or just learning that cant give at least something. That would seem just
plain ungrateful. Sorry don't care much for stingy people.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
In the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of
us will be traveling to be with our families and friends and share in
generous feasts of plenty.
Many have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for
the Aviation Lists here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. I
think one of my favorite comments is when someone says something like, "Its
the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
I'm not sure why, but the number of Contributions have been a little low
this year compared to years past. Hopefully people are just waiting until
the last minute to make their List Support Contribution this year.
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and
for their continued operation and upgrade? Don't make me beg... :-) lol
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks to everyone that already made their Contribution!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I agree completely, Steve. I also made a donation today and encourage all
who want this list to continue to make their contribution.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Thanks for the reminder Matt. Donation sent. And... thank you.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
You know I didn't give much but cant imagine anyone that is building, flying
or just learning that cant give at least something. That would seem just
plain ungrateful. Sorry don't care much for stingy people.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kitfox-List: What We Are Thankful For...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
In the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of
us will be traveling to be with our families and friends and share in
generous feasts of plenty.
Many have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for
the Aviation Lists here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. I
think one of my favorite comments is when someone says something like, "Its
the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
I'm not sure why, but the number of Contributions have been a little low
this year compared to years past. Hopefully people are just waiting until
the last minute to make their List Support Contribution this year.
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and
for their continued operation and upgrade? Don't make me beg... :-) lol
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks to everyone that already made their Contribution!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
65 HP WOT
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Happy Thanksgiving everyone And may you have a safe and fun flying weekend
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 LC
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
> <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>
> Cab someone tell me the HP of the Rotex 582 LC
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Has anyone considered how difficult it is to get in and out of a Kitfox with
a lower wing in the way?
Les Chambers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Bi-plane.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi there,
>
> Some time ago someone mentioned that "someone" has built a Kitfox
> Bi-plane, well this someone is "one of a kind", Dan Denney, the designer
> of the Kitfox (and co-designer of the Avid).
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