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1. 04:03 AM - Re: 582 LC (Robert Orsolits)
2. 05:20 AM - Rotax 912ULS & Carb Ice (D& D Syverson)
3. 06:27 AM - Vendor experience (D& D Syverson)
4. 07:04 AM - SV: Vendor experience (Michel Verheughe)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Vendor experience (Dan Billingsley)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: HVLP advice (Grant Fluent)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: HVLP advice (Ceashman@aol.com)
8. 07:59 AM - Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (Marwynne Kuhn)
9. 08:30 AM - Re: HVLP advice (Michael Logan)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Bi-plane. (Marco Menezes)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (Marco Menezes)
12. 09:34 AM - Useful load (Robert Orsolits)
13. 09:38 AM - Re: HVLP advice (Cudnohufsky's)
14. 10:33 AM - test (Richard Rabbers)
15. 10:44 AM - Re: Construction manual (Richard Rabbers)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Useful load (Marco Menezes)
17. 11:08 AM - Re: HVLP advice (Dan Billingsley)
18. 11:27 AM - Re: Useful load (John Perry)
19. 11:32 AM - Re: Useful load (John Perry)
20. 11:54 AM - Re: Useful load (Neil)
21. 01:00 PM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (Marwynne Kuhn)
22. 01:21 PM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (jdmcbean)
23. 01:48 PM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (John Perry)
24. 02:24 PM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (jdmcbean)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: HVLP advice (kurt schrader)
26. 03:25 PM - Re: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages (kurt schrader)
27. 04:11 PM - Re: HVLP advice (flier)
28. 04:16 PM - Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV (flier)
29. 04:22 PM - Re: HVLP advice (flier)
30. 04:55 PM - Re: HVLP advice (Brett Walmsley)
31. 06:14 PM - Re: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages (Fred Shiple)
32. 06:59 PM - Re: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages (Don Pearsall)
33. 07:09 PM - Thanksgiving (Clem Nichols)
34. 07:55 PM - Re: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages (Donna and Roger McConnell)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Thanks Bob!
----- Original Message -----
From: <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 LC
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
>
> Robert,
> The Rotax 582 is rated at 65 hp.
> Bob Robertson
>
> Quoting Robert Orsolits <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
>> <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>>
>> Cab someone tell me the HP of the Rotex 582 LC
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rob
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| Subject: | Rotax 912ULS & Carb Ice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good Morning,
When I purchased my airplane from Skystar, the argument proposed by the
salesman was that a person didn't need to worry about carb ice with a 912ULS,
therefore I should not worry about installing carb heat on the engine - but,
then, this was the same person who promised delivery of my prepaid engine for
a year........
Since I live in MinneSNOWta, and have been accustomed to flying behind little
old continental engines which can find three molecules of H2O within a 5
nautical mile radius and put them in the induction system in solid form; I
have a significant respect for the need to deal effectively with carb ice,
most correctly, carb ice prevention.
I am sure that this subject has been up on this list before, but I am new to
the list and am interested in what real world experiences people have had
which would shed some light on this issue for the 912ULS. I am looking for
some factual, objective information on the subject.
Thanks for your input,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
(PS-I will be sending a donation for support of Kitfox-lt also)
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| Subject: | Vendor experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good Morning,
Since we are all trying to recover from the little Skystar hic-up, I thought I
would share some good experience I have had with two vendors who have helped
me with missing parts.
After losing a lot of money, and not having that much to start with, the
question is not if I am paranoid, but if I am paranoid enough! So I am being
very careful and taking small steps in getting my missing parts.
1) Matco in Salt Lake City Utah. These guys were the OEM supplier of the
master cylinders for the Kitfox brakes. Skystar orignally shipped two of the
corrrect cylinders, and two of the wrong size. Skystar never did answer my
queries concerning an exchange of the incorrect cylinders. Anyway, after the
bankruptcy - George Happ at MATCO 801-486-7574, www.matcomfg.com , exchanged
the two incorrect cylinders for a small fee and shipping. They did this
quickly, economically, considerately and professionally. Beats the heck out
of buying two new cylinders.
2) John Mc Bean (Sportplane LLC) supplied a windshield for my model 7. I
received it yesterday and no damage or problems in shipping. John has
extended an attitude of trust, goodwill and competency. I will buy
additional parts from him based on this experience.
So, I have had good experience with these two vendors. As builders, we need to
share who the good guys are as well as those we should avoid so folks don't
get burned again. Life is too short to be shy about this.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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| Subject: | Vendor experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: D& D Syverson [ddsyverson@comcast.net]
> Life is too short to be shy about this.
Yes Dave, but in cold MinneSNOWta, one would expect you to live a tad longer anyway!
:-)
Seriously, thanks for sharing your experience. I agree that we should do that.
We are loyal to ... ourselves, Kitfox builders. About your need for carburettor
heater on your 912, I can't answer, but I think that all 912, here in Norway,
are without it. Myself, I have one but I fly behind a Jabiru. I think it has
something to do with the type of Bing carburettor one has, and where the air
is picked up. Mine comes straight from a large NACA inlet outside the cowling.
I guess, if you pick the air from inside the cowling, it is already "pre-heated."
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Vendor experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Dave,
I will certainly second the motion for John & Debra McBean who are owner operators
of Sportplane LLC. John had a LIte Squared kit for sale back in July and he
encouraged me to fly up and check it out. When I was there, he not only picked
me up from the airport and showed me the plane...the weather was awesome and
we ended up taking a flight in his Kitfox into the back country of Idaho.To
make a long story short, I ended up purchasing the kit and John has been very
helpful and simply spends the time on the phone to answer questions that seem
to always come up. Now that Skystar is no longer, that kind of service is invaluable.
John is the go-to guy if you have a need with that kit. John is also a
CFII and you can bet I will be getting transition training when it comes time.
Thanks for the great service John.
Dan,
Mesa
D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson
Good Morning,
Since we are all trying to recover from the little Skystar hic-up, I thought I
would share some good experience I have had with two vendors who have helped
me with missing parts.
After losing a lot of money, and not having that much to start with, the
question is not if I am paranoid, but if I am paranoid enough! So I am being
very careful and taking small steps in getting my missing parts.
1) Matco in Salt Lake City Utah. These guys were the OEM supplier of the
master cylinders for the Kitfox brakes. Skystar orignally shipped two of the
corrrect cylinders, and two of the wrong size. Skystar never did answer my
queries concerning an exchange of the incorrect cylinders. Anyway, after the
bankruptcy - George Happ at MATCO 801-486-7574, www.matcomfg.com , exchanged
the two incorrect cylinders for a small fee and shipping. They did this
quickly, economically, considerately and professionally. Beats the heck out
of buying two new cylinders.
2) John Mc Bean (Sportplane LLC) supplied a windshield for my model 7. I
received it yesterday and no damage or problems in shipping. John has
extended an attitude of trust, goodwill and competency. I will buy
additional parts from him based on this experience.
So, I have had good experience with these two vendors. As builders, we need to
share who the good guys are as well as those we should avoid so folks don't
get burned again. Life is too short to be shy about this.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Brett,
I agree with Dee about starting with 20psi. I think
mine was more like 11-15psi. Just keep adjusting until
you get the best spray. If your pressure gauge is on
the wall away from your gun, your pressure may be a
little higher due to pressure losses from a long air
hose.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Brett
> Can't remember for sure what I used, start with
> 20psi and work from there. I used the Poly products
> and finished off with Aero thane. Am happy with the
> results and it wasn't that hard to do.
>
> Dee
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
> To:
>
kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
> Walmsley"
> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
>
> What pressure would be a good place to start?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
> To:
>
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
> >
> > Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool
> around some, set the pressure
> > where you feel it works best for you. The top
> load HVLP gun is very simple
> > to use, just strain everything that goes through
> it and keep it clean.
> >
> > I was nervous too, but I read some real good
> advice here on the list. It
> > went something like this, if your going to show
> your plane get someone who
> > is a professional to paint it. If your going to
> fly it, get going and
> > paint it, you may be repairing it some time.
> Beside it will turn out fine
> > and its fun. Kinda like rib stitching you know.
> >
> > Dee Young
> > Model II
> > N345DY
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brett
>
Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
> > To:
>
kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
> Walmsley"
> >
>
<N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>>
> >
> > Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly
> spray. I have a Porter
> > Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does
> anyone have any input
> > regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice
> for this novice (scared)
> > painter.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>> I have a Porter Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone
have any input >>regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice
(scared) painter.
Hi Brett.
This is Eric.
My first question on the " gravity feed Porter Cable HVLP" is: is it an
electric turbine air generator or is the spray gun using regular compressed air?
When we figure that I can start offering advice.
I hope for your sake it is a regular compressed air spray gun, they are much
easier to work with.
If you want, call me. Eric.
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| Subject: | Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@verizon.net>
Is anyone building the shock cords for the main gear on a Kitfox IV?
I will be needing to get a pair or make my own.
If make my own I believe that I need 66 Inches between the eyes. Do you use
safety wire to make the eye ?
Any assistance would be appreciated .
Marwynne Kuhn
Hilltop Lakes Texas
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
I painted my fox in the winter time and spent a lot of time and money
heating the paint booth up to 60 degrees. I found out through trial and
error that when it was between 50 and 50, I could get a much better surface
shine since it was drying much slower. Be sure to use extra lengths of hose
on the sprayer to let the air cool down as much as possible.
Don't use the plane for show, just go fly it and have fun with it.
Mike
Series 5 NSI SHO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter Cable
HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input regarding
tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared) painter.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Bi-plane. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
It did cross my mind that the pilot had to have been "installed" before the airplane
was covered. :-)
do not archive
Les Chambers <l_chambers@ckt.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers"
Has anyone considered how difficult it is to get in and out of a Kitfox with
a lower wing in the way?
Les Chambers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Torgeir Mortensen"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Bi-plane.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
>
> Hi there,
>
> Some time ago someone mentioned that "someone" has built a Kitfox
> Bi-plane, well this someone is "one of a kind", Dan Denney, the designer
> of the Kitfox (and co-designer of the Avid).
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Marwynne - I built a set of bungees fror my model 2 with cord purchased from ACS.
First wrapped the eyes with friction tape, then many turns of safety wire.
The tape was to keep wire from cutting into the cord. Watched them closely (still
do) for slippage but so far there hasn't been any. Made them a little short,
however, and it was a bugger to achieve that 6th wrap. Next time, i'll add
an inch or two.
Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn"
Is anyone building the shock cords for the main gear on a Kitfox IV?
I will be needing to get a pair or make my own.
If make my own I believe that I need 66 Inches between the eyes. Do you use
safety wire to make the eye ?
Any assistance would be appreciated .
Marwynne Kuhn
Hilltop Lakes Texas
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Hey all you experienced Kitfox flyers out there. Can I get a few knowledgeable
real life cases of useful load capability including fuel for the Kitfox11 with
the 65hp engine? I am trying to determine if it is really a 1 person plane
or if possible two person.... say pilot and passenger being 200# each.
Any advice is helpful
Thanks
Rob
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Brett,
I do not have experience with the HVLP guns so I will leave that advise to
others, As for finish with Poly Tone I can give you my 2-cents worth.
Everyone has a different opinion as to what they feel is a good finish with
the Poly Tone, and in the end as long as you are satisfied with it that is
all that will matter, as for me I like a high gloss smooth finish, easier to
get with the Aerothane but I like the easy reparability of the Poly Tone so
Poly Tone is what I use and here is how I finish my projects. With the
silver coat down I wet sand with 400, re-apply and wet sand with 600. You
will need to check your coverage by using a light outside the structure and
looking inside for light penetration, usually need to concentrate more
material along the tape edges. When the silver is acceptable and smooth (Not
looking to fill the edges of the tapes in, you still want it to look like a
fabric finish) Spray your base color in the same manor, wet sanding after
2-3 coats, stay clear of the tape edges when sanding. When the base is
acceptable tape and apply your trim colors, but before applying the trim
color shoot a coat of your base color to seal the edges of the tapes to
prevent color creep under the tapes, (gives you nice clean lines between
colors) again I wet sand every 2-3 coats on larger areas. When complete and
all tape removed I will wet sand the entire project with 800 and then 1200
followed by 3M buffing compound. Yes, you will use more material doing your
finish this way, no you should not add weight because you are removing
un-needed material between coats, building the low and cutting the high, yes
it is allot of extra work, but again it is your plane put down the finish
that suits you. I also do not use the Poly Tone on aluminum or fiberglass
parts, I have my local auto paint store custom mix to match the colors and
spray an automotive finish on these parts using the same method as above.
(Yes, I do automotive restoration on the side) As I said it is not for
everyone, I have a flying buddy who uses the UV barrier in his color instead
of the silver coat, sprays it on and then applies his trim colors with a
brush, to each his own. Enjoy your project!! And have as much fun flying as
building!! (I just recently finished painting my model 5 fuselage)
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
>
> Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter
> Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input
> regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared)
> painter.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Construction manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Hello all,
I Emailed Skystar on two occasions in the last year - seeking a builders manual
for my model 1 (if available) I did not receive a reply:-( I was patient, but
hopeful till the end.
----------------------
I would guess that a model 1 manual in PDF would be more difficult to come by than
a later model.
I've not yet had luck in my pursuit of a builders / construction manual in any
form for a Model 1 I purchased last year. I'm enjoying getting familiar with things
via this list and hands on, though would love to have a full reference.
I'd be pleased if anyone had one on hand and I'm very willing to rent or give
other assurance if an original was available that I could copy if that option
would be possible.
I'd pursue PDF conversion and upload if a location is available in the future.
Thank you,
Richard
model 1 - ~ rebuilding with spring flight goal !
> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
> <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>
> Jeff,
> I think a lot of guys could benefit from that PDF file. How
> about putting it on
> one of the common sites? Maybe John McBean's site would be a
> good place to go
> for it? John?
> Dan B.
&
> kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>
> The question comes up as to whether we are violating a
> copyright for a company that is no longer there?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Rob. IMHO, under the conditions you describe the model 2 is a one person plane.
At least mine would be. In theory:
950 gross
-535 empty (she's got alot of paint aboard)
425 useful load
-400 pilot & passenger
25 = 4 gal fuel +/- (an hour or less of burn time)
This is theory because I'm still in flight testing. I weigh 150. With full fuel
(13 gal) I should be able to carry a 150 lb passenger and 47# of baggage.
I'm installing a cargo pod so there's someplace to put that baggage.
I've heard of model 2's built alot lighter than mine for which the answer might
be different.
Robert Orsolits <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
Hey all you experienced Kitfox flyers out there. Can I get a few knowledgeable
real life cases of useful load capability including fuel for the Kitfox11 with
the 65hp engine? I am trying to determine if it is really a 1 person plane or
if possible two person.... say pilot and passenger being 200# each.
Any advice is helpful
Thanks
Rob
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Brett,
That is some great advise! Thanks for the time spent to lay it down for us. I was
talking with another guy about getting the finish of PolyTone to more of a
gloss and he mentioned something about freezing the paint, thawing it, and spraying
it cold. Have you ever employed this method (or anyone for that matter)...just
wanted a second opinion concerning this "trick". Thanks!
Dan,
Mesa, AZ ........75 degrees today (gotta brag now, most of the year is a little
hellish hot :>)
Cudnohufsky's <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Brett,
I do not have experience with the HVLP guns so I will leave that advise to
others, As for finish with Poly Tone I can give you my 2-cents worth.
Everyone has a different opinion as to what they feel is a good finish with
the Poly Tone, and in the end as long as you are satisfied with it that is
all that will matter, as for me I like a high gloss smooth finish, easier to
get with the Aerothane but I like the easy reparability of the Poly Tone so
Poly Tone is what I use and here is how I finish my projects. With the
silver coat down I wet sand with 400, re-apply and wet sand with 600. You
will need to check your coverage by using a light outside the structure and
looking inside for light penetration, usually need to concentrate more
material along the tape edges. When the silver is acceptable and smooth (Not
looking to fill the edges of the tapes in, you still want it to look like a
fabric finish) Spray your base color in the same manor, wet sanding after
2-3 coats, stay clear of the tape edges when sanding. When the base is
acceptable tape and apply your trim colors, but before applying the trim
color shoot a coat of your base color to seal the edges of the tapes to
prevent color creep under the tapes, (gives you nice clean lines between
colors) again I wet sand every 2-3 coats on larger areas. When complete and
all tape removed I will wet sand the entire project with 800 and then 1200
followed by 3M buffing compound. Yes, you will use more material doing your
finish this way, no you should not add weight because you are removing
un-needed material between coats, building the low and cutting the high, yes
it is allot of extra work, but again it is your plane put down the finish
that suits you. I also do not use the Poly Tone on aluminum or fiberglass
parts, I have my local auto paint store custom mix to match the colors and
spray an automotive finish on these parts using the same method as above.
(Yes, I do automotive restoration on the side) As I said it is not for
everyone, I have a flying buddy who uses the UV barrier in his color instead
of the silver coat, sprays it on and then applies his trim colors with a
brush, to each his own. Enjoy your project!! And have as much fun flying as
building!! (I just recently finished painting my model 5 fuselage)
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Walmsley"
Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
>
> Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly spray. I have a Porter
> Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does anyone have any input
> regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice for this novice (scared)
> painter.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
NO problem I have a kitfox 2 S#718 582 c box ,2:62-1 ,3blade gsc and also
have a ivo electric . I have had 24 gallons of 100ll and me at 185 and a
pilot friend who weighs 275 and a hot 95 degree day and we flew just fine
climbout was at 45-50 at 600 fpm ,engine temp was 170, cruised at 75
turning 6200 level at 5500 feet. Yes this is a 2 person plane. I love the
plane and all is does for so little money . I am thinking of flying her back
home to Alaska next summer , Yes on a 582 for all you 4 strokers lol.
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
Happy Turkey Day everyone
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Useful load
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
> <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>
> Hey all you experienced Kitfox flyers out there. Can I get a few
> knowledgeable real life cases of useful load capability including fuel for
> the Kitfox11 with the 65hp engine? I am trying to determine if it is
> really a 1 person plane or if possible two person.... say pilot and
> passenger being 200# each.
>
> Any advice is helpful
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
BY the way Mine weighs 467 empty
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Useful load
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Rob. IMHO, under the conditions you describe the model 2 is a one
> person plane. At least mine would be. In theory:
>
> 950 gross
> -535 empty (she's got alot of paint aboard)
>
> 425 useful load
> -400 pilot & passenger
> 25 = 4 gal fuel +/- (an hour or less of burn time)
>
> This is theory because I'm still in flight testing. I weigh 150. With
> full fuel (13 gal) I should be able to carry a 150 lb passenger and 47# of
> baggage. I'm installing a cargo pod so there's someplace to put that
> baggage.
>
> I've heard of model 2's built alot lighter than mine for which the answer
> might be different.
>
>
> Robert Orsolits <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Orsolits"
>
> Hey all you experienced Kitfox flyers out there. Can I get a few
> knowledgeable real life cases of useful load capability including fuel for
> the Kitfox11 with the 65hp engine? I am trying to determine if it is
> really a 1 person plane or if possible two person.... say pilot and
> passenger being 200# each.
>
> Any advice is helpful
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Neil" <nfrance@avnet.co.uk>
Rob, I operate a mk1 Kitfox with 532 65hp engine from a 250 yard field at
1000' asl in the UK.
I regularly carry a passenger , the combined weight of him and me adds up
to 382 lbs , and with full fuel, that is with a fuselage mounted tank only
(9 gals total I think).
It performs well enough at this weight, but it is very cosy in the cockpit !
On a completely still day , it still gets off without worry of going
through the stone wall at the end of the strip, and gets back in safely.
Neil.
<rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
>
> Hey all you experienced Kitfox flyers out there. Can I get a few
> knowledgeable real life cases of useful load capability including fuel for
> the Kitfox11 with the 65hp engine? I am trying to determine if it is
> really a 1 person plane or if possible two person.... say pilot and
> passenger being 200# each.
>
> Any advice is helpful
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>
> --
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>
>
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| Subject: | Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@verizon.net>
Thanks Marco. I guess I will need to start on this in the next week or
so..
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| Subject: | Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
We will be providing Shock cords.. I can get some through another vendor
though. I will need to know the length...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marwynne Kuhn
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@verizon.net>
Thanks Marco. I guess I will need to start on this in the next week or
so..
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
John How are the end loops going to be done ?, Seized or useing the nicotap
clamps like skystar had ?.
thanks
fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> We will be providing Shock cords.. I can get some through another vendor
> though. I will need to know the length...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marwynne Kuhn
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@verizon.net>
>
> Thanks Marco. I guess I will need to start on this in the next week or
> so..
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
The intent is to use the press sleeves.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Perry
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
John How are the end loops going to be done ?, Seized or useing the nicotap
clamps like skystar had ?.
thanks
fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> We will be providing Shock cords.. I can get some through another vendor
> though. I will need to know the length...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marwynne Kuhn
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@verizon.net>
>
> Thanks Marco. I guess I will need to start on this in the next week or
> so..
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I sprayed mine in the fall to try and get as close to
60 degrees as I could. It does improve the shine.
Had to select the time of day, or add a little heat to
makle it work.
Also, some have suggested spraying the air with anti
static spray just before you spray paint. It will
reduce the dust in the air.
Most important is to have good lighting and be able to
see your spray reflection off the surface. Put just
enough on to have it change from dull to shinny. Less
will leave it dull and more will run.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michael Logan <michael.logan@cox.net> wrote:
> I painted my fox in the winter time and spent a lot
> of time and money
> heating the paint booth up to 60 degrees. I found
> out through trial and
> error that when it was between 50 and 50, I could
> get a much better surface
> shine since it was drying much slower. Be sure to
> use extra lengths of hose
> on the sprayer to let the air cool down as much as
> possible.
>
> Don't use the plane for show, just go fly it and
> have fun with it.
>
> Mike
> Series 5 NSI SHO
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| Subject: | A new UPS plane for hauling small packages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
This is not a KitFox, but thought it would interest
some on the list.
Question: What has 4 jet engines and can fly off of a
grass runway?
http://www.funmansion.com/html/Airbus-Remote-Control-Plane.html
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Polytone works great over metal and fiberglass as long as it's applied over
a wet coat of epoxy primer to allow it to chemically bond with the epoxy as
it cures. That way there's no issue matching colors or with adhesion.
Spray on two medium cross coats of white epoxy primer. After the second
coat, immediately spray on a good cross coat of the Polytone. After it's
good and dry, wet sand with 400 - 600 to get a good finish then spray on one
or two more cross coats of Polytone. The final coats will bond with the
initial coat that's linked to the primer. It works like a charm.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan
Billingsley
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
<dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Brett,
That is some great advise! Thanks for the time spent to lay it down for us.
I was talking with another guy about getting the finish of PolyTone to more
of a gloss and he mentioned something about freezing the paint, thawing it,
and spraying it cold. Have you ever employed this method (or anyone for that
matter)...just wanted a second opinion concerning this "trick". Thanks!
Dan,
Mesa, AZ ........75 degrees today (gotta brag now, most of the year is a
little hellish hot :>)
Cudnohufsky's <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Brett,
I do not have experience with the HVLP guns so I will leave that advise to
others, As for finish with Poly Tone I can give you my 2-cents worth.
Everyone has a different opinion as to what they feel is a good finish with
the Poly Tone, and in the end as long as you are satisfied with it that is
all that will matter, as for me I like a high gloss smooth finish, easier to
get with the Aerothane but I like the easy reparability of the Poly Tone so
Poly Tone is what I use and here is how I finish my projects. With the
silver coat down I wet sand with 400, re-apply and wet sand with 600. You
will need to check your coverage by using a light outside the structure and
looking inside for light penetration, usually need to concentrate more
material along the tape edges. When the silver is acceptable and smooth (Not
looking to fill the edges of the tapes in, you still want it to look like a
fabric finish) Spray your base color in the same manor, wet sanding after
2-3 coats, stay clear of the tape edges when sanding. When the base is
acceptable tape and apply your trim colors, but before applying the trim
color shoot a coat of your base color to seal the edges of the tapes to
prevent color creep under the tapes, (gives you nice clean lines between
colors) again I wet sand every 2-3 coats on larger areas. When complete and
all tape removed I will wet sand the entire project with 800 and then 1200
followed by 3M buffing compound. Yes, you will use more material doing your
finish this way, no you should not add weight because you are removing
un-needed material between coats, building the low and cutting the high, yes
it is allot of extra work, but again it is your plane put down the finish
that suits you. I also do not use the Poly Tone on aluminum or fiberglass
parts, I have my local auto paint store custom mix to match the colors and
spray an automotive finish on these parts using the same method as above.
(Yes, I do automotive restoration on the side) As I said it is not for
everyone, I have a flying buddy who uses the UV barrier in his color instead
of the silver coat, sprays it on and then applies his trim colors with a
brush, to each his own. Enjoy your project!! And have as much fun flying as
building!! (I just recently finished painting my model 5 fuselage)
Lloyd
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| Subject: | Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
It's easy to make the bungees. The friction tape shouldn't be needed as the
wire shouldn't be pulled hard enough to cut the bungee to begin with. I've
used homemade bungees with nary an issue on the Kitfox as well as the gear
on my Nieuport.
I use three individual wraps on each loop with each wrap consisting of about
6 or 7 turns of safety wire. They're all within about an inch and a half or
about the same distance the old Skystar swage used to cover. Works great
and is cheap and easy.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Anybody build Shock Cords for the Kitfox IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Marwynne - I built a set of bungees fror my model 2 with cord purchased from
ACS. First wrapped the eyes with friction tape, then many turns of safety
wire. The tape was to keep wire from cutting into the cord. Watched them
closely (still do) for slippage but so far there hasn't been any. Made them
a little short, however, and it was a bugger to achieve that 6th wrap. Next
time, i'll add an inch or two.
Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marwynne Kuhn"
Is anyone building the shock cords for the main gear on a Kitfox IV?
I will be needing to get a pair or make my own.
If make my own I believe that I need 66 Inches between the eyes. Do you use
safety wire to make the eye ?
Any assistance would be appreciated .
Marwynne Kuhn
Hilltop Lakes Texas
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
An HVLP gun can be adjusted best with a regulator at the gun. I actually
use two regulators, one on the compressor set at around 80psi then one on
the gun to adjust the final gun pressure. Two aren't needed of course. The
15 to 20psi is adjusted with the flow on btw. If you only use a regulator
at the compressor, the length of your airline is going to influence the
pressure quite a bit so you'll definately have to play with it some.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Brett,
I agree with Dee about starting with 20psi. I think
mine was more like 11-15psi. Just keep adjusting until
you get the best spray. If your pressure gauge is on
the wall away from your gun, your pressure may be a
little higher due to pressure losses from a long air
hose.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Brett
> Can't remember for sure what I used, start with
> 20psi and work from there. I used the Poly products
> and finished off with Aero thane. Am happy with the
> results and it wasn't that hard to do.
>
> Dee
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
> To:
>
kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
> Walmsley"
> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
>
> What pressure would be a good place to start?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
> To:
>
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
> >
> > Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool
> around some, set the pressure
> > where you feel it works best for you. The top
> load HVLP gun is very simple
> > to use, just strain everything that goes through
> it and keep it clean.
> >
> > I was nervous too, but I read some real good
> advice here on the list. It
> > went something like this, if your going to show
> your plane get someone who
> > is a professional to paint it. If your going to
> fly it, get going and
> > paint it, you may be repairing it some time.
> Beside it will turn out fine
> > and its fun. Kinda like rib stitching you know.
> >
> > Dee Young
> > Model II
> > N345DY
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brett
>
Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
> > To:
>
kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-lis
t@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
> Walmsley"
> >
>
<N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93
HJ@numail.org>>>
> >
> > Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly
> spray. I have a Porter
> > Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does
> anyone have any input
> > regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice
> for this novice (scared)
> > painter.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Click on
> about
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> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Thank you all very much.
I have been playing around with the spray gun today while checking the
responses. Even called Eric. Y'all are great.
I seem to have it working pretty good on a box so tomorrow we will start
with the rudder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> An HVLP gun can be adjusted best with a regulator at the gun. I actually
> use two regulators, one on the compressor set at around 80psi then one on
> the gun to adjust the final gun pressure. Two aren't needed of course.
> The
> 15 to 20psi is adjusted with the flow on btw. If you only use a regulator
> at the compressor, the length of your airline is going to influence the
> pressure quite a bit so you'll definately have to play with it some.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Brett,
> I agree with Dee about starting with 20psi. I think
> mine was more like 11-15psi. Just keep adjusting until
> you get the best spray. If your pressure gauge is on
> the wall away from your gun, your pressure may be a
> little higher due to pressure losses from a long air
> hose.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
> --- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
>> <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>>
>> Brett
>> Can't remember for sure what I used, start with
>> 20psi and work from there. I used the Poly products
>> and finished off with Aero thane. Am happy with the
>> results and it wasn't that hard to do.
>>
>> Dee
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brett Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>
>> To:
>>
> kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
>> Walmsley"
>> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
>>
>> What pressure would be a good place to start?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dee Young"
>> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
>> To:
>>
> <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
>> <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
>> >
>> > Don't be scared, get a chunk of tin and fool
>> around some, set the pressure
>> > where you feel it works best for you. The top
>> load HVLP gun is very simple
>> > to use, just strain everything that goes through
>> it and keep it clean.
>> >
>> > I was nervous too, but I read some real good
>> advice here on the list. It
>> > went something like this, if your going to show
>> your plane get someone who
>> > is a professional to paint it. If your going to
>> fly it, get going and
>> > paint it, you may be repairing it some time.
>> Beside it will turn out fine
>> > and its fun. Kinda like rib stitching you know.
>> >
>> > Dee Young
>> > Model II
>> > N345DY
>> >
>> > Do Not Archive
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Brett
>>
> Walmsley<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org>>
>> > To:
>>
> kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-lis
> t@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:28 PM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: HVLP advice
>> >
>> >
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
>> Walmsley"
>> >
>>
> <N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93HJ@numail.org<mailto:N93
> HJ@numail.org>>>
>> >
>> > Getting ready to spray some Poly-brush and Poly
>> spray. I have a Porter
>> > Cable HVLP top load gun with a 1.5 mm tip. Does
>> anyone have any input
>> > regarding tip size, pressure or any other advice
>> for this novice (scared)
>> > painter.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
That's awesome,Kurt! Thanks.
Fred
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WOW, that plane is amazing. Anybody know what they are using for engines? It
makes real jet engine sounds.
Don Pearsall
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
That's awesome,Kurt! Thanks.
Fred
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Before the day is over, I'd like to publically give thanks to God, Allah, or my
guardian angel for getting me back on the ground safe and sound all those times
during the past year. I wish I could say that it was my piloting skill that
did it, but there's been a few times when I must have had a little help with
the controls. I daresay that some of you can say the same thing. I hope your
day has been happy one.
Clem Nichols
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Don,
In all likelihood they are actually miniature gas turbine engines that run
on kerosene or maybe Jet-A. Four of them probable cost as much or more than
the engine on my Kitfox.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
WOW, that plane is amazing. Anybody know what they are using for engines? It
makes real jet engine sounds.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Shiple
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: A new UPS plane for hauling small packages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
That's awesome,Kurt! Thanks.
Fred
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