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1. 12:14 AM - Hey Guys... (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:32 AM - [Off-topic] Rocket Man (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Lokking for a six gallon wing tank (John Perry)
4. 07:58 AM - Primary instruments (Rick)
5. 08:08 AM - FW: Primary instruments (Rick)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Rocket Man (Marco Menezes)
7. 09:29 AM - 582 power and cowling (Andrea Cambiaghi)
8. 10:12 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Rocket Man (Michel Verheughe)
9. 10:19 AM - Re: Wing Tips (kurt schrader)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: 582 power and cowling (Michel Verheughe)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: 582 power and cowling (John Perry)
12. 10:41 AM - Re: 582 power and cowling (kurt schrader)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: 582 power and cowling (Bradley M Webb)
14. 12:48 PM - Re: Wing Tips (jdmcbean)
15. 12:54 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Jose M. Toro)
16. 01:07 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Lynn Matteson)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: Wing Tips (jdmcbean)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
19. 02:58 PM - Re: 582 power and cowling (Guy Buchanan)
20. 03:05 PM - Re: 582 power and cowling (Richard Rabbers)
21. 03:13 PM - Door Gas Strut Ends (Guy Buchanan)
22. 03:43 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (Lowell Fitt)
23. 04:06 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Rick)
24. 05:24 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (Jeremy Casey)
25. 05:36 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (kurt schrader)
26. 05:40 PM - Re: Wing Tips (kurt schrader)
27. 05:49 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (flier)
28. 06:12 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (Fox5flyer)
29. 06:27 PM - Re: Hey Guys... (kurt schrader)
30. 06:54 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (Alan & Linda Daniels)
31. 07:24 PM - Re: Header tank (Michael Gibbs)
32. 08:39 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Lowell Fitt)
33. 08:47 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system (Lowell Fitt)
34. 09:20 PM - Re: 582 power and cowling (John King)
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Rocket Man |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
[Off Kitfox topic but ... crazy!]
You know, here in Norway, we have a lot of Finnish jokes. The Finns are really
crazy people. Here is a proof of it:
http://www.koreus.com/media/rocket-bird.html
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Lokking for a six gallon wing tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
OOOOOOPS sorry about that John Did not realize you had them also ,I should
have know you would though lol .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lokking for a six gallon wing tank
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> I have a 6 and 13 gallon tanks....
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Savener
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lokking for a six gallon wing tank
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I have the fabric off my Right wing on my model II.
>
> I'd like to install a six gallon tank in that wing, then gravity feed that
> fuel to my ten gallon fuselage tank mounted in front of the panel.
>
> I am assuming that all I need is a vented fuel cap and a fuel shut valve
> that I can open after burning six gallons out of my fuselage tank. Seems
> simple enough.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy a tank that will fit my wing?
>
> Dave S
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Primary instruments |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Just listed the primary instruments on eBay. Please take a look. Thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | FW: Primary instruments |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
This might help.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4594334025&ss
pagename=calrem
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick [mailto:wingsdown@comcast.net]
Subject: Primary instruments
Just listed the primary instruments on eBay. Please take a look. Thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Rocket Man |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
That's interesting Michel, because here in Northern Michigan we tell alot of Finnlander
stories too. They usually involve two wild guys named Eno and Toivo.
The Finns are, apparently, universally appreciated. :-)
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Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
[Off Kitfox topic but ... crazy!]
You know, here in Norway, we have a lot of Finnish jokes. The Finns are really
crazy people. Here is a proof of it:
http://www.koreus.com/media/rocket-bird.html
Cheers,
Michel
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi <andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
Good morning,
I have a problem of loss of power when I install the cowling, does anyone
had the same problem ?
This is the full story.
I bought my second hand kitfox 3 two years ago.
The exhaust system consisted of just two part, the muffler and the
manifold. The manifold had a very sharp elbow welded on it.
I have had a lot of cracks on both the manifold and the muffler.
This year I have finally decided to change the whole system and to make it
more similar to the standard exhaust from rotax with the elbow connected by
ball joints.
With my great surprise and pleasure when I started the engine with the new
exhaust system the engine gained 1000 rev/min.
Now I have discovered that when I install the cowlings the engine loses 200
rev/min.
If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify the cowlings ?
Thank you
Andrea
P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Rocket Man |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> That's interesting Michel, because here in Northern Michigan we tell
> alot of Finnlander stories too. They usually involve two wild guys
> named Eno and Toivo. The Finns are, apparently, universally
> appreciated. :-)
>
Yeah, and I am sure, in Finland, they tell the same jokes, only that
they call them Norwegian jokes, Marco! :-)
Our typical Finn is called Pekka. Do you know what Pekka does when he
comes home after a few days in the woods? He makes love to his wife.
And then? He makes love to his wife again. And then? Then he takes off
his skis!
Another day, Pekka was drinking with a Swede. "Skal!" (cheers!) said
the Swede and they drank. Then they filled their glasses again, and the
Swede said: "Skal!" and they drank. Then a third time, but now Pekka
stops the Swede and asks: "Listen, are we here to talk or to drink?"
... and that's the reputation they have. This being said, I have been
in Finland and they are great people and certainly not as depicted in
the jokes. But, are the Scots mean? Are the French great cooks and
Italians great lovers? The truth is, once you get to know people, you
find that all humans are so strangely alike. Same hopes, same fears,
same ideals. And that's what I have learnt in my life.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great John,
Arent they pretty?
That reminds me. Someone had tinted lexan tips that
allowed you to install the tip lights inside for less
drag. Nice to preflight too. Look right into the
wing.
Any source for lexan tips? Same size as the
origional, or shorter speedster tips?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> You mean something like these.....
> http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Ciao Andrea,
On Nov 29, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Andrea Cambiaghi wrote:
>
> If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
That's very strange! I also had a model 3 with a 582 for a couple of
year but I've never noticed an effect of the cowling on performance. I
am not surprised that a proper exhaust manifold will give you a better
RPM because, as you know, the manifold of a two-strokes engine is part
of the system and has to be tuned properly.
But the loss with the cowling on is intriguing. Could it be that your
carburettor then inhales hotter air? Now that I have a Jabiru with a
carburettor heater, when I test it, at run-up, I notice the RPM going
slightly down.
> P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
>
Yes, and for those of you who still don't know it: Michel is a male's
name in France/Belgium. Michelle (note the difference) is the girl's
name. Michel is extremely common, especially for my generation. In
French-speaking countries, Michelle is rather rare, though. I think
it's the Beatles who made the name popular in Anglo-Saxon and
Scandinavian countries.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Andrea does your engine have the silencer on it for the intake or just a K&N
airfilter . IF only air filter then HMMMMMMM got me wondering also . But if
you have the big ugly intake silencer that robs power and performance then i
would remove it and get the air filter.
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry '
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 c box 2:62-1
GSC 68", IVO 68"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Cambiaghi" <andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 power and cowling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi
> <andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
>
> Good morning,
> I have a problem of loss of power when I install the cowling, does anyone
> had the same problem ?
>
> This is the full story.
> I bought my second hand kitfox 3 two years ago.
> The exhaust system consisted of just two part, the muffler and the
> manifold. The manifold had a very sharp elbow welded on it.
> I have had a lot of cracks on both the manifold and the muffler.
> This year I have finally decided to change the whole system and to make it
> more similar to the standard exhaust from rotax with the elbow connected
> by
> ball joints.
> With my great surprise and pleasure when I started the engine with the new
> exhaust system the engine gained 1000 rev/min.
> Now I have discovered that when I install the cowlings the engine loses
> 200
> rev/min.
> If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
>
> Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify the cowlings ?
>
> Thank you
> Andrea
> P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Andrea,
That is a name to be proud of anywhere. Works here in
Brazil too. :-)
Could it be that you are blocking some of the air to
your intake? Might a vent in your cowl near your
intake help?
That is my best guess.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
--- Andrea Cambiaghi <andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
wrote:
> Good morning,
> I have a problem of loss of power when I install the
> cowling, does anyone had the same problem ?
>
>...................
> Now I have discovered that when I install the
> cowlings the engine loses 200 rev/min.
> If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min
> came back.
>
> Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify
> the cowlings ?
>
> Thank you
> Andrea
> P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
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| Subject: | 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Andrea,
I might guess that the loss of rpm might be caused by the airflow from the
propeller. Without the cowl, the airflow from the inner portion of the prop
is free flowing, but blocked with the cowl on. In other words, the cowling
is forcing the air to take a different route than it does sans cowl. I
suppose it depends on what prop you have, amid a million other details...
I thought of this after I read again how much you lose. If it were more than
a couple of hundred rpm, I'd think differently.
Of course, it might be that the cowling is restricting the carb flow.
Just a thought,
Bradley Mid GA
KF2 N1836
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrea
Cambiaghi
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 power and cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi
<andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
Good morning,
I have a problem of loss of power when I install the cowling, does anyone
had the same problem ?
This is the full story.
I bought my second hand kitfox 3 two years ago.
The exhaust system consisted of just two part, the muffler and the
manifold. The manifold had a very sharp elbow welded on it.
I have had a lot of cracks on both the manifold and the muffler.
This year I have finally decided to change the whole system and to make it
more similar to the standard exhaust from rotax with the elbow connected by
ball joints.
With my great surprise and pleasure when I started the engine with the new
exhaust system the engine gained 1000 rev/min.
Now I have discovered that when I install the cowlings the engine loses 200
rev/min.
If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify the cowlings ?
Thank you
Andrea
P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
You didn't look very closely.. clear tips coming... They are more difficult
to do and will cost more...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great John,
Arent they pretty?
That reminds me. Someone had tinted lexan tips that
allowed you to install the tip lights inside for less
drag. Nice to preflight too. Look right into the
wing.
Any source for lexan tips? Same size as the
origional, or shorter speedster tips?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> You mean something like these.....
> http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John
Will these tips fit the undercambered (model II) wing?
Jose
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> You mean something like these.....
> http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of kurt schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Could you come up with some lighter tips? Those are
> pretty heavy and maybe some different materials like
> carbon fiber and S glass would do better. Save a
> few
> lbs for those of us who care.
>
> Maybe the same with wheel pants too? Cowls?
>
> Just thinking.... All those little pounds add up.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> >
> > I may be able to help with tips...
> >
> > Fly Safe !!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > www.sportplanellc.com
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'll second the motion for getting the tape JUST for tying that
knot....I almost wore out my walkway between the house and workshop
trying to learn how to tie that knot.
Lynn
On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>
> The instuctions on tieing the seine knot are almost worth the price if
> you
> don't know how. The book is very hard to follow.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
They were not set up for that.... But I have never tried either...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John
Will these tips fit the undercambered (model II) wing?
Jose
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> You mean something like these.....
> http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of kurt schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Could you come up with some lighter tips? Those are
> pretty heavy and maybe some different materials like
> carbon fiber and S glass would do better. Save a
> few
> lbs for those of us who care.
>
> Maybe the same with wheel pants too? Cowls?
>
> Just thinking.... All those little pounds add up.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> >
> > I may be able to help with tips...
> >
> > Fly Safe !!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > www.sportplanellc.com
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Button head rivets work great. Rib stitching is great for that old time
look, but it is state of the art 1915. The build group that built 13
planes decided that the risk of fabric damage and bad knots along with
the time required to rib stitch made it not a viable option. We tested
different rivets into a spare rib and found that the capstrip holds the
aluminum rivet just fine. We alternated side to side and put a rivet
every 3 inches. This requires two 1/2 inch reinforcing tapes be used on
each capstrip. The holes were pre drilled using a jig we built - we were
doing a bunch of wings. After the reinforcing tape was put on you could
see where the holes were and they were melted out with a soldering iron.
One caution is not to put all the rivets in first and then start
pulling them. We did this on the first few and several of the
mandrills fell into the wing. We had to put the wing up on end and shake
the loose pieces out. A drop of glue in each mandrel hole after it is
pulled helps prevent a dry spot on the finish tape. I am not sure this
is a problem but we did it anyway. ( the first coat of pink is the key
to a good finish IMHO ) I know, stop preaching, but just a reminder,
this stuff we use to cover the planes is very good and it is safe if
used properly. If you do not take the proper safety measures is can
really mess up your health. A lot of the old times call it methyl ethyl
death.
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>I'll second the motion for getting the tape JUST for tying that
>knot....I almost wore out my walkway between the house and workshop
>trying to learn how to tie that knot.
>
>Lynn
>On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>
>>The instuctions on tieing the seine knot are almost worth the price if
>>you
>>don't know how. The book is very hard to follow.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:28 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>Now I have discovered that when I install the cowlings the engine loses 200
>rev/min.
>If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
>
>Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify the cowlings ?
I can see some possibilities:
1. Warm air inside the cowl will decrease RPM. However, the only way to get
warm air inside the cowl is:
2. Inadequate exhaust. Theoretically you need 60%+ more exhaust area than
intake area. However the round cowl Kitfoxes have way too much intake area
so you only need "sufficient" exhaust area. What that is I don't know.
Perhaps the flying 582 owners will have a better answer.
3. You have a massive exhaust leak which is dumping exhaust gas into the
cowl. This seems the most likely culprit. Did you use anti-seize in the
ball joints? Are they aligned well? Can you hear a spitting sound around
the exhaust? Maybe you can place a CO detector inside the cowl and see if
it registers.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Hello all,
Airflow is a very interesting thought. It might be interesting to try with and
without a spinner just as a variation on the theme.
I am very eager to begin my live lessons... but still too many pieces so...
I'm happy to flying in my chair every day.
Richard - KF1 on FLF - someday.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley M Webb
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 power and cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Andrea,
I might guess that the loss of rpm might be caused by the airflow from the
propeller. Without the cowl, the airflow from the inner portion of the prop
is free flowing, but blocked with the cowl on. In other words, the cowling
is forcing the air to take a different route than it does sans cowl. I
suppose it depends on what prop you have, amid a million other details...
I thought of this after I read again how much you lose. If it were more than
a couple of hundred rpm, I'd think differently.
Of course, it might be that the cowling is restricting the carb flow.
Just a thought,
Bradley Mid GA
KF2 N1836
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrea
Cambiaghi
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 power and cowling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi
<andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
Good morning,
I have a problem of loss of power when I install the cowling, does anyone
had the same problem ?
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| Subject: | Door Gas Strut Ends |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Hi all,
Does anyone have the Skystar door gas strut attachments they'd
like to sell? I bought some with my gas struts, but would prefer the
tab--on-saddle unit for the aluminum door frame. (Mine load the fasteners
excessively and would eventually work loose.)
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Don,
If you are concerned with the "problem" of uneven fuel flow, it is only
cosmetic. No one has ever drained a tank and had the engine quit under a
full other tank.
I had an experience on the way back from the Desert Fox Fly-in last month
because the line boy didn't put the cap on straight. The slip stream sucked
the tank dry and I mean dry - no fuel in the glass filter above the window
and I continued my flight to Ely without incident. My experience is that
the uneven fuel flow is largely due to flying slightly uncoordinated - one
wing low.
My opinion is that if you put pumps in there somewere, you are just
unnecessarily adding complexity to an already pretty "fuel proof" system.
I also have 750 hours on my ca. 1992 tanks - factory sloshed. I did reslosh
last year as I found them leaking on the tops during a cross country using
100LL. No leaks now.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald STEVENSON" <shericom@rogers.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> Hi everyone, Because of the problems with fuel flow
> from the wing tanks to the header tank under some
> conditions, I was thinking an electric aux fuel pump
> might help. Any thoughts on this would be a help as I
> will soon be ready to cover and would like to make any
> changes before then, Thanks Don.
>
> PS. I have 2 fiberglass 13 gal wing tanks in the kit I
> am building (Manufactured Mid 1992) and I don't have a
> lot of faith in them, anything I can or should do ???
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
They were not set up for that.... But I have never tried either...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John
Will these tips fit the undercambered (model II) wing?
Jose
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> You mean something like these.....
> http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of kurt schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Could you come up with some lighter tips? Those are
> pretty heavy and maybe some different materials like
> carbon fiber and S glass would do better. Save a
> few
> lbs for those of us who care.
>
> Maybe the same with wheel pants too? Cowls?
>
> Just thinking.... All those little pounds add up.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> >
> > I may be able to help with tips...
> >
> > Fly Safe !!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > www.sportplanellc.com
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
I have one good right and one possibly repariable left wing tip. Contact
off list. FYI all landing gear and brake syatems are sold.
Rick
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| Subject: | M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
I also have 750 hours on my ca. 1992 tanks - factory sloshed. I did
reslosh
last year as I found them leaking on the tops during a cross country
using
100LL. No leaks now.
Lowell
<snip>
Since you brought that up let me ask a big question. Have
never-installed '94 tanks about to go into never-completed '94
quickbuild wings. Am new to Kitfox and have tried to read as much from
the archives as possible (to find out the things to ask that I didn't
know to ask?!?! Got my meaning? ;-)
Anyway I read something in the archives to the effect of get the "KREEM"
out and reslosh...
My tanks have a sticker on them from the factory that says they were
sealed with KREEM at the factory. From what I gather this "KREEM"
wasn't really intended to seal fiberglass tanks and doesn't hold up too
well. SOOOO what gets the KREEM out and what should I reslosh with? Am
familiar with Randolph tank sealers...one of those work? Which one?
Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Another helpful tip is to rib stitch a shoebox first.
Someone showed me that trick and I saved all those
steps. Sure made a mess of one shoebox though.
Kurt S.
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> I'll second the motion for getting the tape JUST >
for tying that knot....I almost wore out my
> walkway between the house and workshop trying to
> learn how to tie that knot.
>
> Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I must have gotten the subliminal message though.
Thanks John. I think the clear ones are a good idea,
even given the cost. Just getting the lights inside
will take a good bit of the tip drag away. The lights
might require some cooling vents though, if you dont
have the new LEDs.
Kurt S.
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--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> You didn't look very closely.. clear tips coming...
> They are more difficult to do and will cost more...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
My tanks were from '94, sloshed, and have been perfect ever since. Check
the inside of the tanks with a light and a mirror. If the Kreem looks OK,
fill'em up with gas and let'em set for a couple of weeks to verify they're
not leaking. If not then I'd use'em. I've never had a problem with mine.
My S/N is ADU-149, a Model IV-1200.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Casey
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
I also have 750 hours on my ca. 1992 tanks - factory sloshed. I did
reslosh
last year as I found them leaking on the tops during a cross country
using
100LL. No leaks now.
Lowell
<snip>
Since you brought that up let me ask a big question. Have
never-installed '94 tanks about to go into never-completed '94
quickbuild wings. Am new to Kitfox and have tried to read as much from
the archives as possible (to find out the things to ask that I didn't
know to ask?!?! Got my meaning? ;-)
Anyway I read something in the archives to the effect of get the "KREEM"
out and reslosh...
My tanks have a sticker on them from the factory that says they were
sealed with KREEM at the factory. From what I gather this "KREEM"
wasn't really intended to seal fiberglass tanks and doesn't hold up too
well. SOOOO what gets the KREEM out and what should I reslosh with? Am
familiar with Randolph tank sealers...one of those work? Which one?
Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Jeremy, in actuality, there's nothing wrong with the Kreem itself. It's
good stuff. The problem was that the mold release inside the tanks--which
is a waxy product--was not properly cleaned from the tanks prior to Kreem
sloshing. This caused the slosh to eventually lift off the surface of the
tanks, often in large sheets. An easy way to check is to look inside while
shining a flashlight up from the bottom outside. If you see a spidery
webbing of random cracking, then the Kreem is beginning to let loose.
My recommendation would be to clean with MEK or Acetone and reslosh with the
brand of your choice. If you use Kreem ensure you cut it 50/50 with MEK.
It's not really a big job, just messy. Lots of stuff in the archives about
it. Good luck.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system
>
> Anyway I read something in the archives to the effect of get the "KREEM"
> out and reslosh...
>
> My tanks have a sticker on them from the factory that says they were
> sealed with KREEM at the factory. From what I gather this "KREEM"
> wasn't really intended to seal fiberglass tanks and doesn't hold up too
> well. SOOOO what gets the KREEM out and what should I reslosh with? Am
> familiar with Randolph tank sealers...one of those work? Which one?
>
> Jeremy Casey
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Matt,
Thanks for all you do here. I want to contribute, but
dont trust these hotel computers. Hopefully Ill be
home in time Friday to make a contribution before you
close this year out. (Besides, I want the CD archive)
:-)
thanks,
Kurt S.
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--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys, wow, I can't believe all the really nice
> comments I've been getting about how much you
> appreciate and enjoy the Lists. I really appreciate
> your positive feedback and support. I've included
> below a bunch more of the awesome feedback I've
> received in the last week or so. Please read over
> some of these great comments. It is really quite
> amazing...
>
> There are just a couple more days left during this
> year's Fund Raiser and your chance to get one of the
> really great gifts. If you been putting off making
> a Contribution, now's your chance to support these
> Lists *and* pinch an awesome free gift too!
>
> Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution
> already. It is much appreciated!
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admininstrator
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| Subject: | Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
The tanks on my 1995 kit were factory sloshed. We found that it was
coming off after the tank was installed but not covered. Fishing line
was used to cut the silicon sealer and remove the tank. The way to get
it out is to pour in clean acetone and shake it up to remove the Kreem.
This causes lots of expansion so if you put a sealed cap on it will blow
your tank up. Reduced Kreem has worked fine with all sorts of fuel for
the last almost 9 years.
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Jeremy, in actuality, there's nothing wrong with the Kreem itself. It's
>good stuff. The problem was that the mold release inside the tanks--which
>is a waxy product--was not properly cleaned from the tanks prior to Kreem
>sloshing. This caused the slosh to eventually lift off the surface of the
>tanks, often in large sheets. An easy way to check is to look inside while
>shining a flashlight up from the bottom outside. If you see a spidery
>webbing of random cracking, then the Kreem is beginning to let loose.
>My recommendation would be to clean with MEK or Acetone and reslosh with the
>brand of your choice. If you use Kreem ensure you cut it 50/50 with MEK.
>It's not really a big job, just messy. Lots of stuff in the archives about
>it. Good luck.
>Deke
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system
>
>
>>Anyway I read something in the archives to the effect of get the "KREEM"
>>out and reslosh...
>>
>>My tanks have a sticker on them from the factory that says they were
>>sealed with KREEM at the factory. From what I gather this "KREEM"
>>wasn't really intended to seal fiberglass tanks and doesn't hold up too
>>well. SOOOO what gets the KREEM out and what should I reslosh with? Am
>>familiar with Randolph tank sealers...one of those work? Which one?
>>
>>Jeremy Casey
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>does anybody know where I can get such a tank given current vendor status?
Murle Williams supplied my aluminum header tank. Contact him at
<http://MurleWilliamsAviation.com> or (602) 978-0553.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Kurt, This was one of my mods while building. I thought about the cooling
venting but for some reason didn't do it. A nice little NACA vent would
look cool. Check:
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1133325160
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
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> I must have gotten the subliminal message though.
>
> Thanks John. I think the clear ones are a good idea,
> even given the cost. Just getting the lights inside
> will take a good bit of the tip drag away. The lights
> might require some cooling vents though, if you dont
> have the new LEDs.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
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>> You didn't look very closely.. clear tips coming...
>> They are more difficult to do and will cost more...
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>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> www.sportplanellc.com
>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jeremy,
This has been hashed over a lot in the past. There have been some rather
hard opinions regarding the Kreem, like the one quoted in your post. I can
see I am late responding to this and the others already posting responses
pretty much reflect my feelings.
The problem or should I say the event that triggered the discussion was
during the first Alaska group flight when one of the guys suffered some fuel
flow problems and it was traced to a large sheet of the Kreem that had
separated from the tank and clogged the finger strainer.
When I recieved my kit and I peeked into the tanks, I was disappointed to
see that the Kreem was a very thin whitish coating over the fiberglass
fabric. I anticipated it to be a coating that would give a smooth inner
surface to the tanks. (this is how the Lancair tanks look - 100LL) Anyway I
was wrong in my expectation because the Kreem is supposed to be a thin
coat - just like I had - that is designed to fill the pinholes in the
fiberglass tanks and in fiberglass there will be pinholes - guaranteed.
The following is my opinion - others may vary. I think that the Kreem was
applied too thick and it bubbled and peeled off the tank surface. Maybe
there was also a contaminant on the surface.
When I resloshed, I chose Kreem because it is the only sloshing compound I
am aware of that has a history on the fiberglass Kitfox tanks. A lot of guys
don't like the history, but I think the actual failures were in a narrow
time frame suggesting a manufacturing problem at the time. I could be a
beta tester with another sloshing compound, but resloshing flying tanks is a
royal pain and once is enough.
Actually I did reslosh twice. I let a little logic get in the way of the
instructions. When removing the old Kreem there seems to be some gas of
some sort produced as most that have done it mention that they release
pressure from time to time during the rinse process. My brain told me that
the pressure would force the softened Kreem into the leaking pores and I
would be home free. I did some cursory sloshing with new Kreem and
reassembed everything, waited the appropriate time, filled the tanks and
proceeded to watch the fuel dripping from the trailing edge - much much
worse than before. The earlier leaks were pretty much fumes that eminated
from the leading edge third on the top of the right tank.
After resloshing - by the directions this time - no problems. I do get a
fuel smell from time to time, but I have traced it to the new float needle I
put in when doing the ill advised carburetor rebuild. I already changed out
the other one to the original needle because the leak was intollerable. The
pilot side float will leak during taxi after a flight.
I have 750 hours now and the reslosh was probably at 600 hours or so. I fly
with two guys with 1993 or so vintage Kitfoxes - Model IVs. One sold his
original and finished a Speedster - same vintage - no fuel tank issues -
factory slosh.
If you have any misgivings, rinse with acetone to remove the old Kreem and
prep the surface and reslosh with Kreem according to their directions. That
is my advice. If you want to try something different, do some research, give
it a try and keep us (me) posted. I am definitely not adverse to learning
something new as long as it based on some experience.
I tend to be of the mind that if there are issues that arise, become aware
of them, learn what you can, put them into perspective, and how to fix it
if it actually surfaces, but don't panic. I am one of the guys that put a
lot of things into my airplane when building because others on the list
talked about it and it sounded like a good thing to do. I ended up with a
700 lb. Model IV. Then I hooked up with some other guys and flew along side
their 600 lb Kitfoxes - this over some of the most rugged terrain there is.
Among us we have had some issues - an ignition module that went
intermittent, a stuck valve or valves, tires losing air, my mis-fit fuel cap
that caused the siphoning dry of the left tank, but none of these issues
have resulted in any one of us having what is commonly referred to as the
pucker factor. (Mark flew through a dust devel once - not on purpose -
MAJOR Pucker). But with as many as eight airplanes in loose formation, we
probably have a combined total of well over 1000 hours flying together from
the California to the Canadian border above Idaho, to Oshkosh, to the
Arizona fly-in and we have had no Kitfox design issues - not a one - and
most of the guys built according to the plans. No special glues, no braided
hose, no aux fuel pumps (except me). This isn't to say that a lot of this
stuff is wrong or bad, it's just that most if it is really not necessary -
by experience. (again my opinion)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Fule system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
>
> I also have 750 hours on my ca. 1992 tanks - factory sloshed. I did
> reslosh
> last year as I found them leaking on the tops during a cross country
> using
> 100LL. No leaks now.
>
> Lowell
>
>
> <snip>
>
> Since you brought that up let me ask a big question. Have
> never-installed '94 tanks about to go into never-completed '94
> quickbuild wings. Am new to Kitfox and have tried to read as much from
> the archives as possible (to find out the things to ask that I didn't
> know to ask?!?! Got my meaning? ;-)
>
> Anyway I read something in the archives to the effect of get the "KREEM"
> out and reslosh...
>
> My tanks have a sticker on them from the factory that says they were
> sealed with KREEM at the factory. From what I gather this "KREEM"
> wasn't really intended to seal fiberglass tanks and doesn't hold up too
> well. SOOOO what gets the KREEM out and what should I reslosh with? Am
> familiar with Randolph tank sealers...one of those work? Which one?
>
> Jeremy Casey
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Richard,
So far you have received several good responses to your question. How
close to the prop blades to the leading edge of the front cowl?
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Richard Rabbers wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>
>Airflow is a very interesting thought. It might be interesting to try with and
without a spinner just as a variation on the theme.
>
>
>I am very eager to begin my live lessons... but still too many pieces so...
>
>
>I'm happy to flying in my chair every day.
>
>Richard - KF1 on FLF - someday.
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>Do not archive
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