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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:37 AM - Lousy IFR platform? (Michael Logan)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Engine Mounts (jablackwell)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Engine Mounts (jablackwell)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Wing Tips (Donna and Roger McConnell)
6. 08:57 AM - Re: Engine Mounts (RAY Gignac)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: Static source location (Clint Bazzill)
8. 10:18 AM - Fuel injected 912 and 914 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 11:02 AM - Heat resistant gasket (Michel Verheughe)
10. 02:25 PM - oil tank (DeWayne Clifford)
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber DVD Worthwhile? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Bingo, Kurt! I learned this trick from Jim Miller, the Poly-Fiber rep
from Columbus, Ohio (Aircraft Technical Support). I had called him a
day after he had given a weekend workshop at Oshkosh, and I thought he
was back home when he was explaining this trick to me....he was
negotiating traffic through Chicago while he taught me how to negotiate
around obstacles inside a wing...now that's dedication!
Lynn
On Friday, December 2, 2005, at 05:50 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn,
>
> Shoes? That would explain the bent needles! Now I
> can buy straight needles and sell curved ones. :-)
>
> Another trick I learned that works really well is when
> you have an obsticle in the way that keeps you from
> passing the needle directly from one skin to the
> other. Several times braces or other itmes got in my
> way. What I learned to do was run the needle in the
> proper hole and out the next hole on the same side.
> Pull a loop thru and turn the needle around. Next go
> from that same advanced hole back diagonally to the
> proper hole on the other side that you were
> origionally aiming for. When you pull the string, the
> loop will pop back into the advanced hole and wrap
> around the obsticle. You can't tell from the outside
> that there was any problem and it gives the same
> strength to the stitch you needed.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI
>
> --- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Hope you took the shoes out first. : )
>>
>> Lynn do not archive
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2005, at 08:35 PM, kurt
>> schrader wrote:
>>
>>> Another helpful tip is to rib stitch a shoebox
> first.
>>> Someone showed me that trick and I saved all those
>>> steps. Sure made a mess of one shoebox though.
>>>
>>> Kurt S.
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Lousy IFR platform? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
I would rather be sliding down the ILS slow and bumpy over fast and bumpy
any day. Just because it is a light airplane doesn't mean it is a lousy IFR
platform, you just get a few more vibrations in your backside. You have a
lot more time to make corrections.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static Port
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
My point exactly. Unless of course you mean ILS - I Land Short. The
kitfox is a great plane, but a lousy IFR platform. It is, however,
without a doubt the greatest toy in the world.
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>Come on Alan.. you don't shoot ILS to minimums in your Kitfox...
>
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static Port
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
<aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>Nothing at all wrong with taking static air from inside. I have found in
>all the Kifox's that I have flow or test flown the biggest errors in
>airspeed have come from outside static sources. All the ones that I am
>aware of from the build group caused huge error - like 15 mph- and had
>to be disconnected. You will get a small change in altitude and airspeed
>with slips or skids or with doors open, but it is usually within a
>couple mph and a few feet. It is totally irrelevant unless you are
>shooting a ILS to minimums. In all three I have built I have static just
>open behind the instrument panel and am happy with that. On a fast IFR
>plane it is a different story but just look out the window on these
>great little planes. IMHO
>
>Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>>
>>I have heard from a couple of different people that they have had a
problem
>>getting
>>accurate readings from their instruments because of the location of the
>>static
>>port. Is there anything wrong with taking the static pressures from within
>>the cockpit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Thanks for the infor Brian. I am starting to dread this already.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Leach"
<leach@infogen.net.nz>
>
>Hi Jimmie
>If you have got the same engine mounts as an Avid you are in for
a major
>job. When I built my Avid I was supplied with the wrong rubbers
(the ones I
>got were too thin and did not hold the engine firm enough and
after 60 hours
>two of the engine rails BROKE OFF just in front of the big mount
washers.)
>I have just got back in the air after a complete engine rail and
rubber
>replacement. If your mount is the same (and I think it is ) you
have to
>remove the engine complete with the ring mount and bolt it on a
bench on the
>propeller flange, then remove the entire ring mount from the
engine . Then
>replace the rubbers and fit the ring mount down on to the
vertical engine.
>You may have to remove all the manifolds and muffler etc etc and
take the
>front bolts out of the bottom engine rails so you can swing the
front of the
>rails away from the engine which makes getting the rubbers into
the ring
>mount much easier. Then fit the completely assembled enging and
ring mount
>back on the fuselage. If you have the same Dynafocal ring mount
as me it is
>impossible to replace the rubbers with the engine hanging on a
hoist or with
>the ring mount still attached to the fuselage. I found it easier
to take
>the carbs off the manifold sockets and leave all the choke and
throttle
>cables attached. But if your rubbers are getting cracked and
soft don't
>delay the agony! If the engine moves too much it puts radial
twist on the
>mount rails and they WILL break. If I can be of any more help
dont't
>hesitate to ask.
>
>Brian Leach
>New Zealand.
>
>
> Original Message -----
>From: jablackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>>
>> I am needing to change the rubber pads where my 912UL connects
to
>> the engine mount,(not sure what the proper name for the pads
>> are). Anyway, they are showing signs of age (1994 vintage) such
>> as cracks and an A&P told me that I should change them.
>>
>> Sure looks like a very involved task. I am not seeing a way to
do
>> this without taking the engine off the mounts, which means
>> disconnecting throtle and choke cables, exhaust and several
other
>> connections. Am I making this to hard or is this the only way
to
>> do this right?
>>
>> Sure would like to hear from someone who has changed these pads.
>>
>>
>> Jimmie
>> Kitfox Model IV Speedster
>>
>> Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>>
>>
>
>
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Jim
Looks like my bottom ones will be easy, but the top ones are such
that the engine mount bolt cannot be removed completely, which
prevents replacing both pads.
This is also the best flying wx of the year here in Texas, so I
really hate taking the plane out of service for a couple of
weeks. Oh well, gotta keep it safe.
Jimmie
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Jimmie
>
> I just replaced the bottom two mounts on my 912ul Model III. I
was surprized how easy it was. I had to take the muffler off.
Then just remove the bolts and twist the support out of the hole.
I did support the engine with a hoist. The top two will require
removing the water hoses on the top. I have not done them yet
because the weather is always so nice I wind up flying instead of
working on the plane.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>jablackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell"
>
>I am needing to change the rubber pads where my 912UL connects to
>the engine mount,(not sure what the proper name for the pads
>are). Anyway, they are showing signs of age (1994 vintage) such
>as cracks and an A&P told me that I should change them.
>
>Sure looks like a very involved task. I am not seeing a way to do
>this without taking the engine off the mounts, which means
>disconnecting throtle and choke cables, exhaust and several other
>connections. Am I making this to hard or is this the only way to
>do this right?
>
>Sure would like to hear from someone who has changed these pads.
>
>
>Jimmie
>Kitfox Model IV Speedster
>
>Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>
>
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
I would really be interested in the Clear Wing Tips. Could you then install
landing lights in the leading edge?
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
You mean something like these..... http://www.sportplanellc.com/Wing.htm
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey John,
Could you come up with some lighter tips? Those are
pretty heavy and maybe some different materials like
carbon fiber and S glass would do better. Save a few
lbs for those of us who care.
Maybe the same with wheel pants too? Cowls?
Just thinking.... All those little pounds add up.
Kurt S.
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> I may be able to help with tips...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
The reason I asked you about the UL or ULS was, if you had the ULS then you would
have to shorten the steel inserts that are in the middle of each mount, this
was a vibration issues with the uls.
----- Original Message -----
From: jablackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
I have the UL
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:21:09 -0500
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
<KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
>
>I have been told that you can replace them without removing the
engine, but I don't see how! I supported my engine with a hoist,
then installed the new "donuts" anyways, they went on fine. Do
you have the UL or ULS?
>
>Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jablackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
>
> I am needing to change the rubber pads where my 912UL connects
to
> the engine mount,(not sure what the proper name for the pads
> are). Anyway, they are showing signs of age (1994 vintage) such
> as cracks and an A&P told me that I should change them.
>
> Sure looks like a very involved task. I am not seeing a way to
do
> this without taking the engine off the mounts, which means
> disconnecting throtle and choke cables, exhaust and several
other
> connections. Am I making this to hard or is this the only way
to
> do this right?
>
> Sure would like to hear from someone who has changed these pads.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV Speedster
>
> Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>
>
>
>
>
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
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| Subject: | Static source location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Have to put my 2 cents in. I put static ports on my Kitfox IV-1200. 2 ,
one on each side. The location where Skystar said. I do a lot of steep
slips, left and right and wanted the same readings on both. With the
aircraft slipping (very steep) at 60 indicated airspeed is 65. The aircraft
is almost flying sideways. I have flow with aircraft gauges with out the
external port and the gauges jump around a lot. Clilnt
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static source location
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Been watching this thread.. for the record.. the static location for the
Series 5 was flight tested with a calibration boom... and I believe it was
tuft in that area as well.
Having the static on one side will be effected during slips..typically in
that direction..
As for static port in the cockpit.. the A/S will typically read slightly
higher... Lets see... how about another topic just to get juices flowing...
Non-pressurized aircraft, Instrument conditions... Icing.. (YUK, hate this
already) Lets assume the static source if iced over.. time for alternate
static source (which is typically in the cockpit on non-pressurized
aircraft) PULL... what changes should we expect ??
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Fuel injected 912 and 914 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I stumbled on to an interesting website researching the latest predator
success in Pakistan.
http://www.rotaxking.com/default.html
They offer a fuel injected 912 for $10,000. They offer a fuel injection
kit for $2200.
I suspect that their history is limited, but has anyone heard of them?
Bought an engine from them? Flying with one of their engines?
Randy - Flying behind a plain old 912S
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| Subject: | Heat resistant gasket |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
I am installing a cabin heater on my Jabiru 2200 and I wanted to have
the heat box as much airtight as possible, on the exhaust muffler. So,
I was looking for a gasket that would withstand the heat.
A few days ago, I passed in front of a fireplace and oven store. I went
in and asked if they had some type of gasket (I was thinking, for the
pipe system). They had something for the doors of closed
fireplaces/ovens. But it was thick and round. I was about to give up
when I saw something: flat wicks by the meter. Hum, that could do the
trick. But how to fix it in place? Glue it! answered the shopkeeper.
Glue? Impossible, it will be very hot. Well this glue withstand 1,100
degrees C (2,012 F)
I left the shop USD 10,- poorer but today I went flying, trying the new
cabin heater and it works very well!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
Would any body have an oil tank , for the rotary valve gear , for a 532/582 for
sale ?
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