---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/06/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: CO2 Exposure (Fox5flyer) 2. 06:43 AM - CO exposure WAS: CO2 Exposure (Michel Verheughe) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: CO Exposure (Paul Wilson) 4. 10:08 AM - Low fuel alarm for header tank (Donald STEVENSON) 5. 10:58 AM - 7 door latches (cirrus10) 6. 12:30 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (Marco Menezes) 7. 01:16 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (Lou Landucci) 8. 01:17 PM - Engine Mounts (Lou Landucci) 9. 03:13 PM - Re: Engine Mounts (jdmcbean) 10. 03:39 PM - Rudder Adjustment lever attach points (D& D Syverson) 11. 04:09 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (Richard Chandler) 12. 05:37 PM - Re: Engine Mounts (Brian Leach) 13. 06:45 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (Alan & Linda Daniels) 14. 07:11 PM - Re: CO2 Exposure (John King) 15. 07:59 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (flier) 16. 08:10 PM - 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... (Matt Dralle) 17. 09:56 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm for header tank (Mo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:58 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CO2 Exposure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks for the good explanation John. I've heard that very small amounts of CO over a long period of time can be cumulative, such as a very small leak in a furnace heat exchanger or exhaust manifold. I was told that it can continue to accumulate and reach a threshold where it suddenly can create incapacitation. Is this true or does the fresh air received when not exposed tend to clear the blood of the CO content. For example, a very small leak in an airplane exhaust heater when the airplane is only flown once or twice a week for an hour or so each time. Could this be a problem? What are typical symptoms of mild CO poisoning? Deke > You are a very lucky person after that carbon monoxide (CO) exposure. Red > blood cell hemoglobin and tissue cell cytochromes have a greater affinity > (binding power) for CO than oxygen, so the CO not only blocks any oxygen from the > cells it also prevents the cell oxygen carrier (hemoglobin) and the tissue > cell metabolism from working. All this adds up to CO even in small > concentrations selectively poisoning your cells. It takes high oxygen concentrations to > slowly reverse the effects of CO. > > Glad you got out of that garage in time and were taken care of quickly. > > John Greaves, M.D. > VariEze N81JG > Redding, CA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:39 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: CO exposure WAS: CO2 Exposure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Fox5flyer [morid@northland.lib.mi.us] > I've heard that very small amounts of > CO over a long period of time can be cumulative I am also looking forward to that answer from John, Deke, because, from what I understand, my detector will change colour when a) a large amount of CO escapes or b) a small amount over a long time. The latter could be dangerous as I also understand that the main problem with CO is that it takes such a long time to get out of your body. In any case, with a Kitfox, if I get a headache, or any other sign that I am in trouble, I would open both doors and seek the closest landing place with them open - something that can't be done with many aircraft. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:44 AM PST US From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CO Exposure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson A smart thing I did was put a CO detector in my garage. There have been times when a test start was required with the door closed due to bad weather. The alarm (Nighthawk) went off on the third restart and I just left and came back when the weather got reasonable and aired out the building. The alarm goes off at a part per million that is still safe and it has a readout to tell me what the level is. It would be a wise addition to a hanger as well because one can never tell when a breeze would cause CO from an engine warm up to fill the hanger. Never heard of a CO2 detector. Maybe I just have not paid attention. BTW, The Nighthawk has a 9v backup battery and could be used in your plane is the airplane installed one is suspect. Like if you have symptoms and it indicated no CO. The direct readout would give some degree of comfort. Its to darn heavy to leave in the plane for long as its designed for household use. Paul ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:44 AM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have been told that this is available, but have not been able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:21 AM PST US From: "cirrus10" Subject: Kitfox-List: 7 door latches --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" Does anyone have access to the double pin door latches used on the later 7's? Thanks, Ed ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:46 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes Hi Don. ACS has 2 varieties, optical and mechanical. Since your tank is opaque, either type should work but the mechanical one (float-type) is less expensive. I wired mine up with a orange, panel mounted LED I got at AutoZone. It's easy. Donald STEVENSON wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have been told that this is available, but have not been able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:42 PM PST US From: "Lou Landucci" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" My name is Lou Landucci and I have a Kitfox Classic IV Speedster with a 912S-UL (100HP) Rotax engine. I need new motor mounts and have no idea where to get them. Any suggestions? I was able to remove the old ones, which were compromised by a small oil leak. I need the (4) engine mount rubber donut washer assemblies. Each mount consists of two large rubber donut washers, one small rubber donut washer and a metal spacer. I can reuse the metal spacers (these were the updated ones that Skystar put out a while back), but all of the rubber will get replaced. Can you direct me to a source or a direct replacement as Skystar is no more? They were skystar items; the skystar part numbers are as follows: (8) 44023.000 Rubber washer 2.35" D912INSTL (4) 44024.000 Rubber washer 1.44D R912dvxn I appreciate any help from you or anyone on the group. Regards, Also, the small peg, which protrudes off of the upper right engine mount, which is used to secure the CDI box broke off. I am taking the engine mount off of the plane to get that welded. My question is; do I have to strip all of the powder coating off and have the engine mount analyzed for additional cracks? Any advice? Lou Landucci 713 206 9991 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes Hi Don. ACS has 2 varieties, optical and mechanical. Since your tank is opaque, either type should work but the mechanical one (float-type) is less expensive. I wired mine up with a orange, panel mounted LED I got at AutoZone. It's easy. Donald STEVENSON wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have been told that this is available, but have not been able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:22 PM PST US From: "Lou Landucci" Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" My name is Lou Landucci and I have a Kitfox Classic IV Speedster with a 912S-UL (100HP) Rotax engine. I need new motor mounts and have no idea where to get them. Any suggestions? I was able to remove the old ones, which were compromised by a small oil leak. I need the (4) engine mount rubber donut washer assemblies. Each mount consists of two large rubber donut washers, one small rubber donut washer and a metal spacer. I can reuse the metal spacers (these were the updated ones that Skystar put out a while back), but all of the rubber will get replaced. Can you direct me to a source or a direct replacement as Skystar is no more? They were skystar items; the skystar part numbers are as follows: (8) 44023.000 Rubber washer 2.35" D912INSTL (4) 44024.000 Rubber washer 1.44D R912dvxn I appreciate any help from you or anyone on the group. Regards, Also, the small peg, which protrudes off of the upper right engine mount, which is used to secure the CDI box broke off. I am taking the engine mount off of the plane to get that welded. My question is; do I have to strip all of the powder coating off and have the engine mount analyzed for additional cracks? Any advice? Lou Landucci 713 206 9991 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:28 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" We are working on getting these.. Should know more shortly. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lou Landucci Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" My name is Lou Landucci and I have a Kitfox Classic IV Speedster with a 912S-UL (100HP) Rotax engine. I need new motor mounts and have no idea where to get them. Any suggestions? I was able to remove the old ones, which were compromised by a small oil leak. I need the (4) engine mount rubber donut washer assemblies. Each mount consists of two large rubber donut washers, one small rubber donut washer and a metal spacer. I can reuse the metal spacers (these were the updated ones that Skystar put out a while back), but all of the rubber will get replaced. Can you direct me to a source or a direct replacement as Skystar is no more? They were skystar items; the skystar part numbers are as follows: (8) 44023.000 Rubber washer 2.35" D912INSTL (4) 44024.000 Rubber washer 1.44D R912dvxn I appreciate any help from you or anyone on the group. Regards, Also, the small peg, which protrudes off of the upper right engine mount, which is used to secure the CDI box broke off. I am taking the engine mount off of the plane to get that welded. My question is; do I have to strip all of the powder coating off and have the engine mount analyzed for additional cracks? Any advice? Lou Landucci 713 206 9991 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:01 PM PST US From: D& D Syverson Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder Adjustment lever attach points --> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson Good afternoon, I felt I should share this information in case someone else may have a similar situation. I ordered the adjustable rudder pedal option for my model 7. I also skipped the powder coating since I wanted to be real sure that I could inspect the welds. Here is what happened. The fuselage has two U shaped brackets welded to the fuselage tubes for attaching the rudder adjustment levers. One of them cracked off at the bend with less than 5 pounds of pressure. There appears to be two problems which caused this. 1) The bends appeared to be rather sharp, with very little radius so the metal was cracked with less than 20% of the thickness remaining. 2) The welding had eroded a significant amount of the metal on the outside angle of the bend. At any rate, I thought about how exciting this might be on a first flight (or any subsequent flight) if it were not discovered. The obvious fix was to check both sides of both brackets and re-weld the brackets. Better to get it resolved before the fabric is on! I am not sure if all kitfoxes are built with the U-shaped brackets for the rudder adjustment pivot points. I may have the only kit with this problem, but I don't know. I shared this with Skystar's MGMT, but I never saw any service reports issued. I felt I needed to share this with other builders in case it might be a problem for others. Sincerely, Dave St Paul, MN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:40 PM PST US From: "Richard Chandler" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Chandler" Don, I have the optical one supplied by Skystar, with panel light and test button. Make me a reasonable offer off line and its yours. Things have been a little crazy so may not be able to get it right out. Still trying to get out to the airport for another fellow. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes Hi Don. ACS has 2 varieties, optical and mechanical. Since your tank is opaque, either type should work but the mechanical one (float-type) is less expensive. I wired mine up with a orange, panel mounted LED I got at AutoZone. It's easy. Donald STEVENSON wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have been told that this is available, but have not been able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:56 PM PST US From: "Brian Leach" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Leach" Steve Winder at Airdale has them in stock. Brian Leach New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou Landucci Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" > > My name is Lou Landucci and I have a Kitfox Classic IV Speedster with a > 912S-UL (100HP) Rotax engine. I need new motor mounts and have no idea > where to get them. Any suggestions? I was able to remove the old ones, > which were compromised by a small oil leak. > I need the (4) engine mount rubber donut washer assemblies. Each > mount consists of two large rubber donut washers, one small rubber donut > washer and a metal spacer. I can reuse the metal spacers (these were the > updated ones that Skystar put out a while back), but all of the rubber will > get replaced. Can you direct me to a source or a direct replacement as > Skystar is no more? They were skystar items; the skystar part numbers are > as follows: > > (8) 44023.000 Rubber washer 2.35" D912INSTL > (4) 44024.000 Rubber washer 1.44D R912dvxn > > I appreciate any help from you or anyone on the group. > Regards, > Also, the small peg, which protrudes off of the upper right engine > mount, which is used to secure the CDI box broke off. I am taking the > engine mount off of the plane to get that welded. My question is; do I have > to strip all of the powder coating off and have the engine mount analyzed > for additional cracks? Any advice? > > > Lou Landucci > 713 206 9991 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:25 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels There is also a float type that works also, and is inexpensive. This was discussed before and someone or the archives have the part numbers and where to order. I can hunt it up for you if you need. Alan > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:46 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CO2 Exposure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Deke, I don't know about a mild case of CO2 poisoning, but the doctor told me in my case that the headache was the first symptom. -- John King Warrenton, VA Fox5flyer wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > >What are typical symptoms of mild CO poisoning? >Deke > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:17 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Float switch from Compac Engineering at (916) 872-2042. It's part number 15-650-AC and it runs ~$35. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Chandler Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Chandler" Don, I have the optical one supplied by Skystar, with panel light and test button. Make me a reasonable offer off line and its yours. Things have been a little crazy so may not be able to get it right out. Still trying to get out to the airport for another fellow. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes Hi Don. ACS has 2 varieties, optical and mechanical. Since your tank is opaque, either type should work but the mechanical one (float-type) is less expensive. I wired mine up with a orange, panel mounted LED I got at AutoZone. It's easy. Donald STEVENSON wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have been told that this is available, but have not been able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:49 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, There seemed to a number of members that were having a problem viewing the List of Contributors this year, particularly for those using some versions of Outlook and some web-based email clients. Just to make sure that everyone is properly acknowledged for their generous support of the Lists this year, I have made a simple web page with the current contributees as of 12/06/05. This can viewed here: http://www.matronics.com/ListOfContributors2005.html Thank you to everyone that made a contribution this year. The Contribution web site with all of this year's great gifts is still open for those of you that would like to show your last minute support! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thanks again to everyone that supported the Lists this year! Matt Dralle Matronics Email Lists Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:53 PM PST US From: "Mo" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" Murle Williams sells a 1.9 gallon aluminum header tank with a built in low fuel alarm for $225.00. http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/headertank.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald STEVENSON" Subject: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm for header tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Can anyone give me information on some kind of alarm > to indicate low fuel in an alum. header tank. I have > been told that this is available, but have not been > able to find anything on it, Thanks, Don > Stevenson,Ontario Canada, M4/1200/912 > >