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1. 01:03 AM - SV: CO Exposure (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Low level fuel sensor (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:33 AM - Optical Low Fuel Sensor (Colin Durey)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: Low level fuel sensor (flier)
5. 01:45 PM - Part-Out or Sell Kit? (Rod Ewing)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: Part-Out or Sell Kit? (John Perry)
7. 05:58 PM - Aerocet floats (Kirk Martenson)
8. 05:59 PM - Re: CO Exposure (Bradley M Webb)
9. 07:32 PM - Re: Aerocet floats (Paul Seehafer)
10. 08:16 PM - Re: Aerocet floats (Kirk Martenson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: John King [kingjohne@adelphia.net]
> You asked a question earlier on symptoms of long time carbon monoxide
> exposure. There is a website (www.webdr.com) that answers lots of
> medical questions.
Thank you, John. My idea was this: What would be the fist symptom? If it is headache,
it can be easily detected and measures (closing the heater, opening the
doors) can be taken at once. If it is loss of concentration (as for altitude
symdrom) then it may even be difficult to think what to do. Am I right to think
that, if exhaust gets in the cabin, it will contain CO but also CO2 and that
headache is a sure early sign of contamination?
I also read about CO on a Norwegian forum and, after many posting of how important
it was to have a CO detector on a certain club plane, one poster wrote this
(loosely translated):
"Guys, statistics shows that there is one aviation fatality due to CO, per year,
in the US. Scaled to the Norwegian population, that would be one fatality every
60 years!"
If this is the case, I agree that CO poisoning is not a major problem.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Low level fuel sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The 15-650-AC switch is a "float-to-open" type switch, which means that
to open the circuit and turn off the low fuel warning light, the float
must rise in the fuel. This switch won't work in the header tank that
has the opening at the very top (on the side), because there isn't room
for the float to rise and open the circuit. I ended up getting a tank
from Murle Williams, mounting it where convenient above the header
tank, and it works just fine. Had I not already purchased the switch, I
would have bought the whole low fuel system from Murle.
Lynn
On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 08:24 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> This low level fuel sensor issue has been around a long time. Lots of
> archive stuff on it. For you considering the optical units, below is
> a quoted Kitfox List post from the "late" Ray Volk about his
> experience with the factory optical unit. He switched to the
> mechanical lever-arm reed switch.
> Below his message are some sources for various switches. The reed
> switch ES15-650-AC
> available from several sources like Wicks seems to have a pretty good
> record.
> Hope this helps
> Deke
>
> In a message dated 1/26/00 Ray writes:
>
> "I assume from your comment "installing gas gauge with float type
> sensor in header tank", you are referring to a low level fuel sensor,
> and not actual float type gas gauge. I think an actual gauge in the
> header tank is a little too little, a little too late.
>
> If you are using car gas, at least the car gas I've used so far, the
> factory sensor will not work, the gas will soften the optical sensor,
> it will cold flow and suddenly it is not an optical sensor anymore.
>
> I am now using a magnetic reed sensor with a float. It is made by a
> company in California, Compac Engineering Inc. Paradise, CA. Part
> number is1 5-650-AC. It connects up to the factory wiring the same
> way the original sensor does.
>
> In a Series 5 header tank, you simply unscrew the lower of the two
> brass fitting in the side of the header tank, and screw the new
> plastic sensor right into the same hole. The sensor is a red plastic,
> supposedly made for car gas. They also have a white plastic sensor
> but I am told, not good for car gas. I have been using this system
> for about 6 months now and no problems yet. I test it by turning both
> wing tank fuel valves off after I am in the air and make sure that
> the low fuel warning light & sounder go off after a couple of
> minuets. Pushing the test button on the panel only shows that the
> light and sounder are functional, not the low level sensor itself.
> Hope this helps
> Ray Volk"
>
>
> McMaster-Carr.com pg 470
>
> Compac Engineering http://www.iprocessmart.com/erecta/erecta.htm
>
> Wicks Acft
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/
> searchRldTLTE
>
> Their part # is FWS-1 - it's $29.59
> You'll need the indicator light - # GW-326 is $6.87
>
> Erecta Switch
> http://www.iprocessmart.com/Merchant2/
> merchant.mv?ScreenPROD&Store_CodeSEC01&Product_CodeES15-650-AC
>
> Durable controls http://www.durablecontrols.com/plastic.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Optical Low Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Rex/Don,
Re my previous email on the optical sensors from GEMS...
I got it slightly wrong last time... the ELS-1000 series if made from
Polysuphone, but the ELS-900 series is made from Polyethersulphone. Both
should be OK however for fuel, although the ELS-1000 series is probably
better for fuels that may contain ethanol.
There are a range of quite small float type switches that could also be
usefull in this application, but I'll check my dtabase and catalogues when
I get back into the office next week. I've been laid low for the last ten
days by some sort of bug, but should be right next week.
I've been looking at this subject of accurately sensing the level of
liquid in a vibrating container, for some time now. I need to do the very
same thing in certain equipment that I work with. I think I have a
solution that could be made into a cheap module which can give you either
a continuous readout (ie: present level, in either depth or volume terms)
or, in a much simpler form, just tell you when you reach a certain levelor
levels. The problem is not just an irregular shaped tank, but the way in
which the tank pitches and rolls, both instantaneously, and over time (ie:
in a sustained descent/climb).
Anyway, let me know if the GEMS sensors are what you were originally
thinking of. They look to me to be an exact replacement for the ones used
by Skystar.
Regards
Colin Durey
Sydney
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| Subject: | Re: Low level fuel sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Good point Lynn although there are a couple of quick
and simple ways to get around that. A little 12V
SPDT relay from Radio Shack or just a small switching
transistor could be used to 'invert' the switching
for the lamp or LED.
When I had header tanks built I simply moved the
mounting boss down another inch or so to accomodate
the switch. The Compac switch does come self-sealing
so you really don't even have to have a threaded boss.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low level fuel sensor
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>The 15-650-AC switch is a "float-to-open" type
switch, which means that
>to open the circuit and turn off the low fuel
warning light, the float
>must rise in the fuel. This switch won't work in the
header tank that
>has the opening at the very top (on the side),
because there isn't room
>for the float to rise and open the circuit. I ended
up getting a tank
>from Murle Williams, mounting it where convenient
above the header
>tank, and it works just fine. Had I not already
purchased the switch, I
>would have bought the whole low fuel system from
Murle.
>
>Lynn
>On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 08:24 AM,
Fox5flyer wrote:
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| Subject: | Part-Out or Sell Kit? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
Time constraints have brought about the need to sell my Classic IV 582 project.
Given the current status of SkyStar, do you think it may be better to part the
kit out or offer the kit for sale?
Rod in Alaska
rode@alaska.com
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| Subject: | Re: Part-Out or Sell Kit? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
If you want to sell the whole kit i have a guy who will probably be
interested . Where in AK is the kit . My buddy is in Soldotna.
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Part-Out or Sell Kit?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
>
> Time constraints have brought about the need to sell my Classic IV 582
> project. Given the current status of SkyStar, do you think it may be
> better to part the kit out or offer the kit for sale?
>
> Rod in Alaska
> rode@alaska.com
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Amphib pilots:
I just bought a set of Aerocet 1100 amphibs for my Kitfox IV. They have never been
used, and the hardware is still in the box. I think I have everything but
the installation instructions.
Does anybody ( maybe Gary W.) still have their installation/ assembly instructions?
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Along these lines...
Rather than worry too much about how to react to the problem, which is
hit-or-miss at best, put your energy into preventing the problem altogether,
by using a sound and thorough inspection ritual, and know your airplane, and
it's weak points.
For example, if your exhaust is even questionable, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! It
doesn't have to cost a ton of money, but at least solve the problem. DO NOT
think for a second that "good enough" is good enough. If it's worth doing,
it's doing right.
Bradley
Mid GA
KF2 N1836
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: CO Exposure
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: John King [kingjohne@adelphia.net]
> You asked a question earlier on symptoms of long time carbon monoxide
> exposure. There is a website (www.webdr.com) that answers lots of
> medical questions.
Thank you, John. My idea was this: What would be the fist symptom? If it is
headache, it can be easily detected and measures (closing the heater,
opening the doors) can be taken at once. If it is loss of concentration (as
for altitude symdrom) then it may even be difficult to think what to do. Am
I right to think that, if exhaust gets in the cabin, it will contain CO but
also CO2 and that headache is a sure early sign of contamination?
I also read about CO on a Norwegian forum and, after many posting of how
important it was to have a CO detector on a certain club plane, one poster
wrote this (loosely translated):
"Guys, statistics shows that there is one aviation fatality due to CO, per
year, in the US. Scaled to the Norwegian population, that would be one
fatality every 60 years!"
If this is the case, I agree that CO poisoning is not a major problem.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocet floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Kirk,
I have the instructions in a book. I will start scanning pages and get them
over to you in a series of e-mails (I am on a dial up that has everything
but a crank...) sometime next week.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aerocet floats
> Amphib pilots:
>
> I just bought a set of Aerocet 1100 amphibs for my Kitfox IV. They have
> never been used, and the hardware is still in the box. I think I have
> everything but the installation instructions.
> Does anybody ( maybe Gary W.) still have their installation/ assembly
> instructions?
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocet floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Paul:
Thanks for doing that for me.
How do your floats perform for you when water taxiing? Do you sit really
low in the water?
Kirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aerocet floats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I have the instructions in a book. I will start scanning pages and get
> them
> over to you in a series of e-mails (I am on a dial up that has everything
> but a crank...) sometime next week.
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aerocet floats
>
>> Amphib pilots:
>>
>> I just bought a set of Aerocet 1100 amphibs for my Kitfox IV. They have
>> never been used, and the hardware is still in the box. I think I have
>> everything but the installation instructions.
>
>> Does anybody ( maybe Gary W.) still have their installation/ assembly
>> instructions?
>
>
>
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