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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Aerocet floats INSTALLATION AND ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS (kitfoxjunky)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: CAP 140 spares (kitfoxjunky)
3. 03:41 AM - Re: Low level fuel sensor (Lynn Matteson)
4. 04:30 AM - Low Level Fuel Sensor (RV73HL@aol.com)
5. 04:38 AM - Low Level Fuel Sensor (RV73HL@aol.com)
6. 05:01 AM - Re: Re Fuel Level sensors (Fox5flyer)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Gyros (Michel Verheughe)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: CAP 140 spares (Richard Chandler)
9. 06:53 AM - Re: Re Fuel Level sensors (Richard Chandler)
10. 07:39 AM - Avid/Kitfox prototype video now on the web! (Paul Seehafer)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (John King)
12. 08:10 AM - Received Your Payment for the Kitfox Videos - Thank You! (Grant Fluent)
13. 08:11 AM - Low Level Fuel Sensor (RV73HL@aol.com)
14. 09:15 AM - Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (Lowell Fitt)
15. 09:27 AM - Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (kurt schrader)
16. 10:57 AM - Re: Avid/Kitfox prototype video now on the web! (ron schick)
17. 11:27 AM - Cabin heater (Michel Verheughe)
18. 11:36 AM - Re: Part-Out or Sell Kit? (Rod Ewing)
19. 12:14 PM - Winter Storage (Jim Gilliatt)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: Winter Storage (Glenn Horne)
21. 01:41 PM - Re: Winter Storage (John Perry)
22. 03:58 PM - Re: CAP 140 spares (Paul Wilson)
23. 04:28 PM - STABIL? (RAY Gignac)
24. 04:51 PM - Re: Winter Storage (Rex Hefferan)
25. 04:57 PM - HORIZONTAL STAB? (RAY Gignac)
26. 06:15 PM - Re: STABIL? (John Perry)
27. 06:18 PM - Re: Winter Storage (John Perry)
28. 07:00 PM - Re: STABIL? (RAY Gignac)
29. 07:48 PM - Re: Float mounts and materials (Richard Rabbers)
30. 08:58 PM - Radiators - hot, cold and more (Richard Rabbers)
31. 09:26 PM - Fabric Hole (Guy Buchanan)
32. 11:13 PM - Re: Fabric Hole (ron schick)
33. 11:47 PM - Re: 582 power and cowling (Andrea Cambiaghi)
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocet floats INSTALLATION AND ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS |
Serialize complete at 12/11/2005 06:14:54 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Yes...I have the installation instructions for the Aerocet 1100 floats.
Flip me your snail mail address offline and I will send you a copy.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
"Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
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12/09/2005 08:47 PM
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Aerocet floats
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Amphib pilots:
I just bought a set of Aerocet 1100 amphibs for my Kitfox IV. They have
never been used, and the hardware is still in the box. I think I have
everything but the installation instructions.
Does anybody ( maybe Gary W.) still have their installation/ assembly
instructions?
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: CAP 140 spares |
Serialize complete at 12/11/2005 06:20:14 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Sorry, I cannot help you with the screws. I know which ones you are
talking about. Mine came loose and I had to put them back in with loc
tite.
I assume you are aware of the AD on the CAP 140 when used on a 912? Did
you have the cuffs replaced? My understanding is that a third version of
the cuffs was made available, but I have not heard of anyone running them
yet.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
"Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
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Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP 140 spares
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
I am having trouble with the four itty, bitty screws in the CAP 140's
pitch adjustment gear reduction unit.
They are probably 1-64 countersunk machine screws; d*mn tiny!
The threads are worn off due to looseness, but they are definitely smaller
than the 2-56 screws on the other side of the internally splined, brass
tube on the gear reduction unit (420:1?).
Anyway, I am looking for spare parts / ideas as I'm not getting anywhere
on the NSI website.
Has anyone messed with this gear reduction unit or know of its origin?
I'd like something slight more durable and the current plan is to have the
holes remachined to 2-56 (and the hole pattern rotated 90 degrees) in the
brass splined tube.
Brian
IV w/ currently inoperable CAP140/912
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| Subject: | Re: Low level fuel sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
It seems like I thought about a reversing gizmo (note the
electronics-savvy language), and when consulting my electronics
engineer friend, was told this would be a bit of a problem...for me, a
non-electronics person. I don't recall just what we discussed, but I
remember going to Sportflight and seeing John King's (I think) set-up
and went in that direction. I do recall calling the supplier of the
switch (after it arrived) and he said they only sell the one type of
switch, that is, the one that opens when the float rises above the
switch level. In any case, I now have the "extra little can" and that
gives me a few more minutes of flying if I should ever be so lax as to
get into that situation in the first place....and I probably will,
given my past history in ground vehicles, and my penchant for squeezing
out the last drop before filling up again. : )
Lynn
On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 10:07 AM, flier wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Good point Lynn although there are a couple of quick
> and simple ways to get around that. A little 12V
> SPDT relay from Radio Shack or just a small switching
> transistor could be used to 'invert' the switching
> for the lamp or LED.
>
> When I had header tanks built I simply moved the
> mounting boss down another inch or so to accomodate
> the switch. The Compac switch does come self-sealing
> so you really don't even have to have a threaded boss.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low level fuel sensor
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> The 15-650-AC switch is a "float-to-open" type
> switch, which means that
>> to open the circuit and turn off the low fuel
> warning light, the float
>> must rise in the fuel. This switch won't work in the
> header tank that
>> has the opening at the very top (on the side),
> because there isn't room
>> for the float to rise and open the circuit. I ended
> up getting a tank
>> from Murle Williams, mounting it where convenient
> above the header
>> tank, and it works just fine. Had I not already
> purchased the switch, I
>> would have bought the whole low fuel system from
> Murle.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 08:24 AM,
> Fox5flyer wrote:
>
>
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| Subject: | Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
I am new to the Kitfox List, and I am reading alot about this subject.
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| Subject: | Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
Sorry I didn't finish my question..that is , do we really need this item?
This is an honest question, I'm not trying to be a sa__...
Thanks
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Re Fuel Level sensors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Which sensor (part #--supplier, etc) did you finally end up with Rex?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Fuel Level sensors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi ! Guys,
> Wow ! this list has to be the most helpfull thing in the
> whole universe. With Colin's help it looks like I have access to the opto
> sensor I wanted. There is also a lot of other comments that are
interesting
> and helpfull. I totally agree a gauge in the header tank is pointless. By
> the time that would start dropping I'm sure I for one would be looking
> elsewhere.
> Re Lyn's comment about the float switch needing to float to turn off the
> light and there not being enough room in the top of the tank. My
> understanding of this problem is that these switches come in 2 different
> versions. Either open or closed circuit when the float drops. However that
> function is reversed if the switch is turned over but in Lyn's case to get
> the switch function right he had the float going higher than level with a
> full tank [ except it was hitting the roof ] because he had the wrong
> version. Hope that helps anyone buying one of these to get it right.
Anyway
> he has solved his problem.
> My preference is for the optical sensor. Being an electronics guy that
side
> is fine by me and I don't need to fit it in the tank but as I said just in
> the end of a small bit of say !" tube mounted horizontal above the tank
> with the breather pipe going in the bottom and out the top.
> I am just a little concerned in case the optical switch is not reliable
and
> also that it is OK in fuel. However I have had a comment back from one
> supplier that it is OK in fuel and also that it is reliable. They said "In
> clean petrol" so I do wonder though what that comment meant. Do I take it
> that if in a Petroil mixture it might be a problem. That's OK for me as I
> use an injection pump. OR are they saying "Clean" to cover their backside
as
> an excuse for unreliable results ?
> I hope Colin is soon feeling better again and I look forward to any
> further input. Thanks Colin.
>
> Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kitfoxers,
Last September, Clif wrote the following:
On Sep 21, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Clifford Begnaud wrote:
> Have you seen this:
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsinstruments.html
Yes Clif, I saw it, I bought it and I love it! Actually it was supposed
to be my Christmas present but ... as a spoiled kid, I had to try it
now! So, I installed it in five minutes and went flying today. It works
super-duper, it's cheap, very light and does a splendid job at showing
my bank and turn rate. Here is a photo taken today:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/bank.jpg
Note that the only moving part is the blue (sky) half-circle.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Chandler" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Please send me a pic of the screws and where they go. I may have them.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP 140 spares
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
--> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Sorry, I cannot help you with the screws. I know which ones you are
talking about. Mine came loose and I had to put them back in with loc
tite.
I assume you are aware of the AD on the CAP 140 when used on a 912?
Did
you have the cuffs replaced? My understanding is that a third version
of
the cuffs was made available, but I have not heard of anyone running
them
yet.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
"Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
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12/10/2005 11:29 AM
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To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
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Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP 140 spares
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
I am having trouble with the four itty, bitty screws in the CAP 140's
pitch adjustment gear reduction unit.
They are probably 1-64 countersunk machine screws; d*mn tiny! The
threads are worn off due to looseness, but they are definitely smaller
than the 2-56 screws on the other side of the internally splined, brass
tube on the gear reduction unit (420:1?).
Anyway, I am looking for spare parts / ideas as I'm not getting anywhere
on the NSI website.
Has anyone messed with this gear reduction unit or know of its origin?
I'd like something slight more durable and the current plan is to have
the
holes remachined to 2-56 (and the hole pattern rotated 90 degrees) in
the
brass splined tube.
Brian
IV w/ currently inoperable CAP140/912
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| Subject: | Re Fuel Level sensors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Chandler" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I am a little late on the thread. IMHO optical is best and in the
header tank. How long you can fly is a function of how big the header
and how far you need to go. It is an emergency device. If you are
perfect and never have low fuel for any reason know or unknown then you
don't need one. Cant show the expression on my face to make my point.
You know, that kind of DUH look. There are other means to calculate and
show fuel on board and remaining, the low fuel light is not one of them.
Do you need one, yep.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Fuel Level sensors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
--> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Which sensor (part #--supplier, etc) did you finally end up with Rex?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Fuel Level sensors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> --> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi ! Guys,
> Wow ! this list has to be the most helpfull thing in
> the whole universe. With Colin's help it looks like I have access to
> the opto sensor I wanted. There is also a lot of other comments that
> are
interesting
> and helpfull. I totally agree a gauge in the header tank is pointless.
> By the time that would start dropping I'm sure I for one would be
> looking elsewhere. Re Lyn's comment about the float switch needing to
> float to turn off the light and there not being enough room in the top
> of the tank. My understanding of this problem is that these switches
> come in 2 different versions. Either open or closed circuit when the
> float drops. However that function is reversed if the switch is turned
> over but in Lyn's case to get the switch function right he had the
> float going higher than level with a full tank [ except it was hitting
> the roof ] because he had the wrong version. Hope that helps anyone
> buying one of these to get it right.
Anyway
> he has solved his problem.
> My preference is for the optical sensor. Being an electronics guy
> that
side
> is fine by me and I don't need to fit it in the tank but as I said
> just in the end of a small bit of say !" tube mounted horizontal
> above the tank with the breather pipe going in the bottom and out the
> top. I am just a little concerned in case the optical switch is not
> reliable
and
> also that it is OK in fuel. However I have had a comment back from one
> supplier that it is OK in fuel and also that it is reliable. They said
> "In clean petrol" so I do wonder though what that comment meant. Do I
> take it that if in a Petroil mixture it might be a problem. That's OK
> for me as I use an injection pump. OR are they saying "Clean" to cover
> their backside
as
> an excuse for unreliable results ?
> I hope Colin is soon feeling better again and I look forward to any
> further input. Thanks Colin.
>
> Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Avid/Kitfox prototype video now on the web! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hey guys and gals,
I've posted a short (1 minute) video of the Avid Flyer/Kitfox prototype on
the Kitfox Lazair web site in the movies section. Or you can direct link it
by using this http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=109
Thought you might get a kick out of what a 40 hp lightweight Avid could do
(especially when one considers it had to haul around the additional weight
and bulk/drag of those floats). Oh yeah, there are all kinds of other cool
videos on the site, as well as good conversation.
Enjoy....
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Howard,
I asked myself the same question back in 1992 when I was building my
Model IV. My thinking was that I had two fuel gauges that were reliable
and a clock on the panel. Knowing my fuel burn and time in route was a
good backup. It wasn't really necessary. In 2002 when I was building my
Series 6 I installed a early fuel warning system just to make me feel
more relaxed on long flights. I remembered that one of our pilots on
the Eastern Canada flight in 1999 ran out of fuel over Quebec and
luckily made a safe landing on a busy highway. He was what I considered
an alert, good pilot, but he allowed himself to make some poor judgments.
One thing I have learned over the years is never assume that you will do
the things you are supposed to do all of the time. Distractions and
poor assumptions can allow us to get into some very uncomfortable
positions. That red light on my panel came on unexpectedly once when
flying back from Oshkosh. I was both pleased and horrified. Pleased,
that I had sufficient fuel to make the nearest airport and horrified
that I allowed that to happen. I couldn't believe that I actually did
that.
Remember "Murphy's Law" and that he is always on duty. That's why we
have erasers on pencils, spare tires on cars, lift jackets on boats,
ELT's on aircraft, etc., etc. Sh-- Happens !!!
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
RV73HL@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
>
>Sorry I didn't finish my question..that is , do we really need this item?
>This is an honest question, I'm not trying to be a sa__...
>
>Thanks
>
>Howard
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Received Your Payment for the Kitfox Videos - Thank You! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hi Lowell,
I received your cash for the videos this week. Thank
You! Best of luck with your Lite 2!
Happy Holidays,
Grant Fluent
--- Kfyellowbird@cs.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> Kfyellowbird@cs.com
>
> Hi Grant,
> I would love to have a copy of the DVDs. I'm
> nearing completion of a Lite 2,
> 912S, with all the options.
>
> Lowell Schaper
> 6530 County Road 26
> Minnetrista, MN 55364
>
> 763.479.2630
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
Many thanks John...I read you loud and clear.
Fly Safe..
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I agree with John on this one. On our way back from Phoenix and the Desert
Fox fly-in we stopped for fuel at Perkins to top off the tanks. With full
tanks and less than three hours to Ely, close monitoring of the fuel was not
an essential part of the trip, so I thought. Into the trip, I did check the
sight gauges and saw no fuel in the right tank and none in the glass fuel
filter. Mark did a fly by and the cap was there. But on the ground we
found that the line boy had only engaged one of the tangs on the cap and the
slipstream over the wing drained that tank dry. I failed to check the fuel
caps before departing. I didn't drain to the header tank as I had plenty of
fuel in the other tank, but surprises are possible.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John King" <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Level Fuel Sensor
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
> Howard,
>
> I asked myself the same question back in 1992 when I was building my
> Model IV. My thinking was that I had two fuel gauges that were reliable
> and a clock on the panel. Knowing my fuel burn and time in route was a
> good backup. It wasn't really necessary. In 2002 when I was building my
> Series 6 I installed a early fuel warning system just to make me feel
> more relaxed on long flights. I remembered that one of our pilots on
> the Eastern Canada flight in 1999 ran out of fuel over Quebec and
> luckily made a safe landing on a busy highway. He was what I considered
> an alert, good pilot, but he allowed himself to make some poor judgments.
>
> One thing I have learned over the years is never assume that you will do
> the things you are supposed to do all of the time. Distractions and
> poor assumptions can allow us to get into some very uncomfortable
> positions. That red light on my panel came on unexpectedly once when
> flying back from Oshkosh. I was both pleased and horrified. Pleased,
> that I had sufficient fuel to make the nearest airport and horrified
> that I allowed that to happen. I couldn't believe that I actually did
> that.
>
> Remember "Murphy's Law" and that he is always on duty. That's why we
> have erasers on pencils, spare tires on cars, lift jackets on boats,
> ELT's on aircraft, etc., etc. Sh-- Happens !!!
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> RV73HL@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RV73HL@aol.com
>>
>>Sorry I didn't finish my question..that is , do we really need this item?
>>This is an honest question, I'm not trying to be a sa__...
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
My opinion is yes, you need it.
That sensor will not only tell you when you are
running out of fuel, but also when you have blocked
fuel lines or filters, and when you have unported your
fuel lines in a descent, even though you have fuel.
We have already had one great builder/pilot here have
a surprised engine failure with fuel on board due to
unporting. And we have had plenty of fuel line clogs
due to tank coating coming off and plugging lines, or
fuel lines swelling shut. Then there can be clogged
tank vents, pinching your lines with shifting cargo,
and on and on.....
The warning light will tell you the header is getting
low on fuel and will starve the engine no matter what
the reason.
I put one in my S-5 and built a larger header tank so
I would have 20-30 minutes to find a nice place to
land after the light went on. If I am going to fly in
mountains, the little gallon tank won't get me far.
No warning won't get me anywhere but down.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- RV73HL@aol.com wrote:
> Sorry I didn't finish my question..that is , do we
> really need this item?
> This is an honest question, I'm not trying to be a
> sa__...
>
> Thanks
>
> Howard
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| Subject: | Avid/Kitfox prototype video now on the web! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Paul that was exceptional! I recommend ths site to anyone who can stream
videos. I downloaded and saved to disk the aerobatics performed by Jimmy
Franklin and others. The aerobatics were done in N91KS the Skystar built
speedster I believe. I had previously saved that same opening photo as my
desktop from the skystar site. Awsome! Ron NB Ore.
>From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid/Kitfox prototype video now on the web!
>Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:38:34 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
>Hey guys and gals,
>
>I've posted a short (1 minute) video of the Avid Flyer/Kitfox prototype on
>the Kitfox Lazair web site in the movies section. Or you can direct link
>it
>by using this http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=109
>
>Thought you might get a kick out of what a 40 hp lightweight Avid could do
>(especially when one considers it had to haul around the additional weight
>and bulk/drag of those floats). Oh yeah, there are all kinds of other cool
>videos on the site, as well as good conversation.
>
>Enjoy....
>
>Paul Seehafer
>Central Wisconsin
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I was asked to post a photo of my cabin heater, earlier.
Today, I went flying and took some pictures. Here is one of the heater
installation:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Heater.jpg
It is basically this: The air is coming in from the center hose, warms
up, and go to a) the carb heater, on the left, and b) the cabin, on the
right. The wick and glue I mentioned was to glue a sealing between the
aluminium box you can see, and the exhaust muffler.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Part-Out or Sell Kit? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
I've thanked John and Tom off-list for their comments. I am going to offer the
complete Classic IV for sale. The kit is in Wasilla, Alaska. I will gather
up some pictures and place an ad on Barnstormers and in the Anchorage paper.
Wish me luck!
P.S. This past summer, I succombed to my own impatience and purchased an old
100 hpT-Craft on floats and skis...its not a Kitfox but....it is a blast to fly!!!
Happy Holidays!
Rod in Alaska
rode@alaska.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Hi everyone,
I'm posting this for a friend of mine that has a Rotax engine, but does
not have access to the internet. He is interested in what procedures
other people take to treat the fuel in the engine and tanks over the
winter when not in use. My approach would be to simply drain it, but he
wanted to know what others have done.
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt S7 IO240 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
If he uses 100ll nothing.
Glenn Horne 582ul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gilliatt" <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Winter Storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm posting this for a friend of mine that has a Rotax engine, but does
> not have access to the internet. He is interested in what procedures
> other people take to treat the fuel in the engine and tanks over the
> winter when not in use. My approach would be to simply drain it, but he
> wanted to know what others have done.
> Thanks,
> Jim Gilliatt S7 IO240 in progress
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
STA BIL works great but after putting in plane and running for at least 10
minutes to get into system then i would drain all the fuel one could get out
. Auto fuel tends to varnish up and cause all sorts of problems when left
for long . Why would one stop flying just because its winter I fly all year
long . In fact just got back from a awsome 3 1/2 hour flight today
Landed at several friends houses. Was going to head for colorado but am on
call this weekend again and had to be close incase had to work and I did
have to . When i left this mornign it was 28 degrees out and when landed to
put her away it was 54 degrees out no wind to speek of .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gilliatt" <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Winter Storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm posting this for a friend of mine that has a Rotax engine, but does
> not have access to the internet. He is interested in what procedures
> other people take to treat the fuel in the engine and tanks over the
> winter when not in use. My approach would be to simply drain it, but he
> wanted to know what others have done.
> Thanks,
> Jim Gilliatt S7 IO240 in progress
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CAP 140 spares |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
You might ask a watch repair person. They use small screws.
Paul
===========
At 08:29 AM 12/10/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
>
>I am having trouble with the four itty, bitty screws in the CAP 140's
>pitch adjustment gear reduction unit.
>They are probably 1-64 countersunk machine screws; d*mn tiny!
>The threads are worn off due to looseness, but they are definitely smaller
>than the 2-56 screws on the other side of the internally splined, brass
>tube on the gear reduction unit (420:1?).
>Anyway, I am looking for spare parts / ideas as I'm not getting anywhere
>on the NSI website.
>Has anyone messed with this gear reduction unit or know of its origin?
>I'd like something slight more durable and the current plan is to have the
>holes remachined to 2-56 (and the hole pattern rotated 90 degrees) in the
>brass splined tube.
>Brian
>IV w/ currently inoperable CAP140/912
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Can anyone tell me if stabil will harm the fiberglass tanks such as dissolve maybe
the krem! does anyone realy know.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Too bad. :-(
Rex in Colorado
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John Perry wrote:
><SNIP>
>.... In fact just got back from a awsome 3 1/2 hour flight today
>Landed at several friends houses. Was going to head for colorado but am on
>call this weekend again and had to be close incase had to work and I did
>have to . When i left this mornign it was 28 degrees out and when landed to
>put her away it was 54 degrees out no wind to speek of .
>
>Fly safe fly low fly slow
>John Perry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HORIZONTAL STAB? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I have a Model IV 1200 with the streamline V shaped horizontal stabalizer. Question
is this, the tab that protrudes on each side of the fuselage were the stab
attaches to, do you attach it to the top or bottom of the tab? right now,
mine is attached to the bottom! the builders manual does not go into detail about
this procedure. I have flown 70hrs with it attached in this manner. Can
anyone advise.
Ray
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
I use it in mine and have never had any problems at all . Tes i did a check
first with a homemade tank and used several types of tank sealer and stabil
did not disolve any of it .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: STABIL?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
> Can anyone tell me if stabil will harm the fiberglass tanks such as
> dissolve maybe the krem! does anyone realy know.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Hey Rex How it going guy . I need to take my kiddo to the dentist in Pueblo
so well holler at ya befroe we leave here and hopefully get to meet up and
check out your plane . Yes ill fly up there also . Life has been crazy with
the wife not doing well at all . Got her home fro the Hospital for now, time
will tell what happens .
Take care ill try and call you tomorrow
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hefferan" <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Winter Storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
>
> Too bad. :-(
> Rex in Colorado
>
> do not archive
>
> John Perry wrote:
>
>><SNIP>
>>.... In fact just got back from a awsome 3 1/2 hour flight today
>>Landed at several friends houses. Was going to head for colorado but am on
>>call this weekend again and had to be close incase had to work and I did
>>have to . When i left this mornign it was 28 degrees out and when landed
>>to
>>put her away it was 54 degrees out no wind to speek of .
>>
>>Fly safe fly low fly slow
>>John Perry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Thanks John, sometimes I just don't get to the airport enough to fly, and after
leaving gas in my snow blower too long and turning to varnish, I just did not
want this to happen to my plane.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: John Perry<mailto:eskflyer@pld.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: STABIL?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com<mailto:eskflyer@pld.com>>
I use it in mine and have never had any problems at all . Tes i did a check
first with a homemade tank and used several types of tank sealer and stabil
did not disolve any of it .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
To: "kitfox-list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Kitfox-List: STABIL?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
>
> Can anyone tell me if stabil will harm the fiberglass tanks such as
> dissolve maybe the krem! does anyone realy know.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Float mounts and materials |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Hello all,
My question is a variation on the subject below.
> 'Re: Kitfox-List: Aerocet floats INSTALLATION AND ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS'
I purchased a model one last summer and am working on restoration. The plane
was on Full Lotus floats when I purchased it and I intend to stay on floats but
would like to trim off some weight with new float mounts.
Currently the forward float spreaders are clamped to the axles on the main gear.
The rear mounts were fabricated from steel tubing. I hope to eliminate some
weight by using aluminum and traditional float mounting and welcome any input
on sourcing and sizing materials. I'd like to find foil shape (teardrop) aluminum
extrusion and welcome any other parts or materials.
A model IV owner with the same floats as I have was very pleased with mounts
he purchased from Skystar. Does anyone know if Skystar outsourced and if so from
whom. I'm sending another question that follows relates to radiator size, location
and windage.
I'd welcome any guidance on a source for materials.Thanks.
Richard Rabbers
Model 1 on Full Lotus floats
SW Michigan
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| Subject: | Radiators - hot, cold and more |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Radiators and cooling topic has come up many times since I've joined this list......
> RE: Appraisal (Radiator topic raised)
> From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb(at)cox.net>
> Subject: Appraisal
> Date: Dec 02, 2005
> Hey Jeff,
> ........... This one needed rescuing from its previous owner(s). Meaning replacing
the
Wal-Mart wiring, re-locating the radiator airbrake, new floors, and general.......
......though I still have some questions.
Rotax supplies a (split) two piece radiator which I've been very interested in.
Recent postings related to engine RPM with and without cowling has peaked my
curiousity and interest in input on these radiators (which may or may not be appropriate
or able to fit inside my cowling?
No matter what there's got to be a way to improve on the set up on my plane 'as
purchased' The radiator mounted on my model 1 is/was a huge air brake. (22x12.5x1.75
inches) I'd welcome comments based on experience.
A Rotax 618 (and the current radiator) were installed when floats were mounted
on the plane in 1999. The previous owner says the power is great, apparently
enough HP to overcome the huge radiator that was attached in front of the forward
gear which become the forward float mounts. I hope to remount my floats
using traditional mounting struts to reduce some weight. Along with that plan
comes a review of radiator location as well as size, weight, etc. My location
is SW Michigan. Someday I'll try out my Full Lotus Floats as skiis. Shock cooling
topic has come up on this list before.
I'd say my goal, which would be similar for all of us, would be to have sufficient
cooling at the lowest possible weight. I like the potential clean lines
that might be possible with the two piece radiator offered by Lockwood and other
Rotax dealers, link #3.
My plane is in a restoration phase. I'll hope to complete the project by spring.
I knew I wanted to go over things thorougly, though was also eager to get
in the air. What started with a windshield replacement and check out had become
as much as I can do without removal of fabric.
Two Piece Radiator For 582 & 618 Engines
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/radiators/dualrads1.htm
Economical, light weight aluminum, fairly large, requires header
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/coolers_uslk/
Thanks for any info or leads......
Richard Rabbers
Model 1 on Full Lotus floats
SW Michigan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Well I finally did it. I was working with the seat out, and without
protection and dropped a block of wood, putting a 1" hole in the bottom
fabric. I've read AC 43-13 and the Poly-Fiber manual which say I should,
for this size, remove the finish from the outside and bond my patch
straight to the fabric. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time getting
the LP top coat and its associated primer off. Does anyone have a
recommendation? I've tried Acetone and brush cleaner so far. Would MEK or
perhaps paint stripper do it without damaging the fabric? Any other
recommendations on fixing fabric holes?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Guy MEK washes it down to bare fabric unless an Aerothane or auto paint is
on top. If it won't wash off with MEK then you have to carefully sand
through the topcoat to silver then wash. I just started my fabric today and
Mek is the thinner I am using in the poly-tack glue. Poly-brush is the glue
for tapes and patches. Good luck Ron NB Or.
do not archive
>From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
>Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:25:07 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>Well I finally did it. I was working with the seat out, and without
>protection and dropped a block of wood, putting a 1" hole in the bottom
>fabric. I've read AC 43-13 and the Poly-Fiber manual which say I should,
>for this size, remove the finish from the outside and bond my patch
>straight to the fabric. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time getting
>the LP top coat and its associated primer off. Does anyone have a
>recommendation? I've tried Acetone and brush cleaner so far. Would MEK or
>perhaps paint stripper do it without damaging the fabric? Any other
>recommendations on fixing fabric holes?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 power and cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi <andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
Good morning,
I finally got rid of the problem by opening a wider air outlet area.
Thank you for your suggestions.
Andrea
At 18.28 29/11/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andrea Cambiaghi
><andrea.cambiaghi@tiscali.it>
>
>Good morning,
>I have a problem of loss of power when I install the cowling, does anyone
>had the same problem ?
>
>This is the full story.
>I bought my second hand kitfox 3 two years ago.
>The exhaust system consisted of just two part, the muffler and the
>manifold. The manifold had a very sharp elbow welded on it.
>I have had a lot of cracks on both the manifold and the muffler.
>This year I have finally decided to change the whole system and to make it
>more similar to the standard exhaust from rotax with the elbow connected by
>ball joints.
>With my great surprise and pleasure when I started the engine with the new
>exhaust system the engine gained 1000 rev/min.
>Now I have discovered that when I install the cowlings the engine loses 200
>rev/min.
>If I just remove the first cowling these 200 rev/min came back.
>
>Does anyone can give me an advise on how to modify the cowlings ?
>
>Thank you
>Andrea
>P.S. In Italy, where I live, this is a male name.
>
>
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