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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Fabric Hole (D& D Syverson)
2. 04:19 AM - GEMS Flow sensors in gasoline (Colin Durey)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained (Bradley M Webb)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: Fabric Hole (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: Fabric Hole (Guy Buchanan)
6. 09:22 AM - SkyStar Aircraft (Lou Landucci)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (Michael Gibbs)
8. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (flier)
9. 10:53 AM - Re: SkyStar Aircraft (Rob Orsolits)
10. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (Paul Seehafer)
11. 12:23 PM - telephone number-fire ()
12. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: telephone number-fire (Don Pearsall)
14. 12:55 PM - The return of Skystar? (Jose M. Toro)
15. 01:57 PM - Re: The return of Skystar? (jdmcbean)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Fabric Hole (Ceashman@aol.com)
17. 02:33 PM - Re: SkyStar Aircraft (Marco Menezes)
18. 03:39 PM - Which Sensor (Rex & Jan Shaw)
19. 03:55 PM - Re: telephone number-fire (John Perry)
20. 04:17 PM - Re: The return of Skystar? (Lowell Fitt)
21. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained (AMuller589@aol.com)
22. 05:57 PM - Re: SkyStar Aircraft (Mo)
23. 07:29 PM - Re: telephone number-fire (kurt schrader)
24. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor (kurt schrader)
25. 09:40 PM - Re: Fabric Hole (Guy Buchanan)
26. 11:04 PM - Bowed Birch False Ribs (Don & Chris (new))
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Guy,
For correct repair procedures, your best source of information is the Poly
Fiber manual titled "How to cover an Aircraft using the Poly Fiber System".
This manual includes fabric repair procedures for both poly tone final finish
(easier to do) and Aerothane top coats (a bit more of a challenge). The only
recommendations I would make include: 1) don't use any solvent other than
what Poly Fiber says to use for the repair (most paint strippers use
methylene chloride which will make lutefisk out of a lot of things you don't
want to) 2) Stick with the Poly Fiber repair procedures for the particular
top coat. The Poly Fiber boys know their product well and you can make a good
repair using their procedures.
Since the hole is on the bottom - you have the advantage of getting to both
sides of the fabric which helps a lot in making the repair.
Sincerely,
Dave
M-7 Trigear (Also Piper Tripacer experience with repaired hole in the bottom
due to a cold chisel dropped from a significant height - chisels work real
well for making holes too)
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:25 pm, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> Well I finally did it. I was working with the seat out, and without
> protection and dropped a block of wood, putting a 1" hole in the bottom
> fabric. I've read AC 43-13 and the Poly-Fiber manual which say I should,
> for this size, remove the finish from the outside and bond my patch
> straight to the fabric. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time getting
> the LP top coat and its associated primer off. Does anyone have a
> recommendation? I've tried Acetone and brush cleaner so far. Would MEK or
> perhaps paint stripper do it without damaging the fabric? Any other
> recommendations on fixing fabric holes?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | GEMS Flow sensors in gasoline |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Rex,
Sorry Rex, that should have been ELS 1100, however, the ELS 900 is the one
you want.
I dug through my files, and spoke to a few of my colleagues, re the issue
of polysulphone (ELS 1100 series) versus polyethersulphone (ELS 900
series). I got some divergent responses, so I asked them to check their
files too. It was funny to listen to the change in confidence in their
voice when I challenged their initial responses, anyway... the quote below
from BASF sums up the situation:
"Polyethersulphone is more stable to aliphatic hydrocarbons, e.g. gasoline
and kerosene, petroleum, alcohol, amines, most cleaners and sterilizing
agents, oils and grease, e.g. engine and transmission oils than
Polysulphone. In addition, Polyethersulphone is stable to oxidants such as
hydrogen proxide or fluorine. Polyethersulphone moldings also withstand
brief exposure to aromatic solvents, e.g. benzene, xylene and toluene. The
same applies to esters, ketones and certain halocarbons, which may,
however, initiate environmental stress cracking, and some of them dissolve
Polyethersulphone on prolonged contact."
The BASF and other literature also states categorically that
Polyethersulphone is suitable for use with Premium grade gasoline, whereas
Polysulphone is definitely not. As implied in the above quote, and from
other sources, the use of ethanol is not a problem.
As with many thermoplastics, a couple of the key issues relating to their
use in applications involving immersion in gasoline are; a) induction of
brittleness, and ; b) dis-colouration. Polysulphone handles both these
well, and, even though glass-reinforced Polysulphone would be better,
there is little mechanical stress on the sensors, so there is reduced
concern about structural failure of the sensor body. Polysulphone handles
high temperatures better than many other plastics, hence its use in many
medical applications which require high temp sterilisation (>135c).
What does all this rambling mean?.. The ELS 900 sensor should be fine for
the header tank.
Regards
Colin Durey
Sydney
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
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| Subject: | Re: CO Exposure - finally explained |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Michel,
No one anywhere can definitively answer your question, mainly because
everyone reacts differently.
What you're dealing with is hypoxia. Quoted from my USAF manual:
"Hypoxia is a state of oxygen deficiency in the body which is sufficient to
cause an impairment of function. In brief, being drunk is kind of the same
as being exposed to high altitude. In both cases, oxygen to your brain and
muscles is reduced."
There are generally 4 types of hypoxia. Hypoxic, Hypemic, Stagnant, and
Histotoxic. You need to worry about 2 of these.
Hypoxic is the classic altitude problem. The air is simply too thin.
Stagnant and Histotoxic are more physical issues, i.e. not related to the
environment outside your body.
You question is related to Hypemic hypoxia. This is defined as a reduction
in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. This is what CO does to you.
The CO attaches readily to your blood cells, thereby preventing the O2 from
doing the same thing. Hence your blood cells are basically carrying the
wrong thing your body needs to survive.
Everyone's symptoms are different. For example, I lose my color vision as my
first symptom, but I don't know it. In the altitude chamber, I had no idea a
problem existed until the chamber was brought back down from 28,000 feet.
The sectional chart I was looking at simply exploded with color. My next
indication was euphoria, or "everything's fine, I don't feel a thing". I
thought I could function, and as a matter of fact, I could do the puzzles
they gave me, but I could not read my own writing later. Some students
simply blacked out. I was fully conscious, but with the above symptoms.
Basically, this scenario is the most insidious thing you will ever encounter
in flight. It will sneak up on you, and you'll never know it. The media may
guess at what killed Payne Stewart, but I know exactly what happened. They
got euphoric from Hypoxic hypoxia, and didn't react to the situation. They
didn't even know there WAS a situation to deal with.
Best I can give you is education. Hit the library or the web, and study up
on Hypoxia. While you're there, get smart on fatigue, alcohol, caffeine,
Sudafed, and 50 other health things that could contribute to you creating
your own accident.
No substitute for smarts,
Bradley
KF2 N1836
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CO Exposure
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Dec 10, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> Inexpensive CO detectors can be had for less than US$5
Mike and Bradley, as I wrote in another email, I already have a CO
detector (Quantum Eye), one that my wife insisted I should have, long
before I installed the cabin heater.
But some people insist that, even with the detector, some long lasting
small dose of CO may put me off before the detector reacts. So I was
wondering what was the first symptoms so that I could be warned before
it gets worse.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Guy,
For my money, If the hole is accessable from the inside, that is where I
would put the patch. My guess is the reason you can't remove the finish
with MEK is that it is a urethane finish. I have a hole in my airplane -
Aerothane - that is accessable from the inside and I will use the inside
patch treatment when I fix it. Right now I have it closed with tape.
What I plan to do is put a ring of polytak around the hole, glue the patch
to that, shrink it then flow on the polybrush. Inside - outside, I don't
see any practical difference. If it was the wing, and no inside access,
then yes, the hard way is the only way.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> Well I finally did it. I was working with the seat out, and without
> protection and dropped a block of wood, putting a 1" hole in the bottom
> fabric. I've read AC 43-13 and the Poly-Fiber manual which say I should,
> for this size, remove the finish from the outside and bond my patch
> straight to the fabric. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time getting
> the LP top coat and its associated primer off. Does anyone have a
> recommendation? I've tried Acetone and brush cleaner so far. Would MEK or
> perhaps paint stripper do it without damaging the fabric? Any other
> recommendations on fixing fabric holes?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:43 AM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
>For correct repair procedures, your best source of information is the Poly
>Fiber manual titled "How to cover an Aircraft using the Poly Fiber System".
Thanks guys. I went back to the manual and, sure enough, it does say that I
have to sand through the LP surface finish before cleaning the Poly-Brush
down to fabric. More elbow grease.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | SkyStar Aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" <lou@rkraney.com>
Good day:
Who would one talk to regarding the procurement of the Skystar
company? Any ideas; please advise?
Regards,
Lou Landucci
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
I was heading over to a nearby airport to get some fuel after several
local flights on the previous tank full. I knew the fuel was low but
I also knew it was sufficient for the flight of about 30 minutes (the
fuel totalizer was very accurate).
Half way to my destination the low fuel light came on from the sensor
in my header tank. I looked at the sight gauges in each wing and
there was still fuel visible in each. I put the airplane into a very
slight slip to one side so the fuel in the higher tank would slosh
towards the inboard end. The low fuel light extinguished and I flew
another 10 minutes before it happened again. This time a slight slip
the other way caused some of the remaining fuel in the other tank to
replenish the header. Again the light went out and I made an
uneventful, powered landing at my destination.
Without the low fuel light I would not have realized that the header
tank was draining and I might have even experienced an engine failure
when, in fact, there was plenty of fuel still in the wing tanks.
Without the low fuel sensor I'd probably not take off with less than
about 1/4 tanks just to be sure that the header remained full for
pattern maneuvering at my destination.
My 2 cents worth.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I'm with you on this one Michael. I've had a similar event!
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>I was heading over to a nearby airport to get some fuel after several
>local flights on the previous tank full. I knew the fuel was low but
>I also knew it was sufficient for the flight of about 30 minutes (the
>fuel totalizer was very accurate).
>
>Half way to my destination the low fuel light came on from the sensor
>in my header tank. I looked at the sight gauges in each wing and
>there was still fuel visible in each. I put the airplane into a very
>slight slip to one side so the fuel in the higher tank would slosh
>towards the inboard end. The low fuel light extinguished and I flew
>another 10 minutes before it happened again. This time a slight slip
>the other way caused some of the remaining fuel in the other tank to
>replenish the header. Again the light went out and I made an
>uneventful, powered landing at my destination.
>
>Without the low fuel light I would not have realized that the header
>tank was draining and I might have even experienced an engine failure
>when, in fact, there was plenty of fuel still in the wing tanks.
>
>Without the low fuel sensor I'd probably not take off with less than
>about 1/4 tanks just to be sure that the header remained full for
>pattern maneuvering at my destination.
>
>My 2 cents worth.
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF
>
>
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| Subject: | SkyStar Aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Orsolits" <rorsolits@bankownedservices.com>
Bankruptcy court. Bk case number is in this months magazine I just received
and ....right now the name escapes me (guess I get to many)! I will think
of it
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lou Landucci
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar Aircraft
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" <lou@rkraney.com>
Good day:
Who would one talk to regarding the procurement of the Skystar
company? Any ideas; please advise?
Regards,
Lou Landucci
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I agree the fuel level sensor is a good idea. But I am beginning to wonder
if these header tanks are such a good idea? I had a similar problem when
ground running my engine. Couldn't keep the header tank full unless the
airplane was at just the right attitude and jostled back and forth a bit.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> I was heading over to a nearby airport to get some fuel after several
> local flights on the previous tank full. I knew the fuel was low but
> I also knew it was sufficient for the flight of about 30 minutes (the
> fuel totalizer was very accurate).
>
> Half way to my destination the low fuel light came on from the sensor
> in my header tank. I looked at the sight gauges in each wing and
> there was still fuel visible in each. I put the airplane into a very
> slight slip to one side so the fuel in the higher tank would slosh
> towards the inboard end. The low fuel light extinguished and I flew
> another 10 minutes before it happened again. This time a slight slip
> the other way caused some of the remaining fuel in the other tank to
> replenish the header. Again the light went out and I made an
> uneventful, powered landing at my destination.
>
> Without the low fuel light I would not have realized that the header
> tank was draining and I might have even experienced an engine failure
> when, in fact, there was plenty of fuel still in the wing tanks.
>
> Without the low fuel sensor I'd probably not take off with less than
> about 1/4 tanks just to be sure that the header remained full for
> pattern maneuvering at my destination.
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | telephone number-fire |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <pgow@chartermi.net>
Does anyone on the list know the phone number of NSI? I can't find it on the web
site,and the old toll-free number is out of service. I just had an engine fire
and I need a lower rear cowling.The carb back fired and the engine and cowling
caught on fire.VERY SCARY!!! Flames about 2ft high for about 2-3 mins. I
put out the fire with snow. Got a few blisters on both hands.I'll be needing more
parts but I don't know what all I need yet. For right I need to get a hold
of NSI. Pete Gow
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| Subject: | Re: CO Exposure - finally explained |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
> What you're dealing with is hypoxia. Quoted from my USAF manual:
Thank you, Brad, now I know what to watch for ... about anything,
really. By the way, right now, we have a kind of adventure reality TV
going on, where the participants, from different European countries,
try to be the first one on the top of Mount Everest. They also suffer
from hypoxia and are not really ... friendly with each other!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | telephone number-fire |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Peter,
I am so sorry about your engine and of course your burnt hands. I hope you
can get both fixed quickly.
I got these numbers from Kitplanes, but have not verified them. Since NSI is
also undergoing new ownership you may run into supply problems.
360/435-1055 360/435-4554
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pgow@Chartermi.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: telephone number-fire
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <pgow@chartermi.net>
Does anyone on the list know the phone number of NSI? I can't find it on
the web site,and the old toll-free number is out of service. I just had an
engine fire and I need a lower rear cowling.The carb back fired and the
engine and cowling caught on fire.VERY SCARY!!! Flames about 2ft high for
about 2-3 mins. I put out the fire with snow. Got a few blisters on both
hands.I'll be needing more parts but I don't know what all I need yet. For
right I need to get a hold of NSI. Pete Gow
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| Subject: | The return of Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Listers:
I found this message sent by Steve Winder from Airdale
on the Avid list.
> Hi guys,
> Things must be really moving at the old Skystar
plant.
> This last couple of weeks Phil Reid's Blue 'vette
has been outside for
> several hours most days and weekends! with other
cars.
> On Friday a large Box trailer, which maybe on the
"Asset list" and has
> been parked outside on the grass for several months,
was taken away--so
> something must be happening in there...selling off /
claiming of
> assets?.
> RUMOR has it that "they", whoever, are somewhere
down the line to
> reopening and possibly Frank Miller and Chrystal
beingtaken on
> as "employees"
> Sheeeeshhh!
> Regards,
> Steve at Airdale
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | The return of Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Here is the current deal....
The Trailer that was outside belonged to Scott Crandlemire.. He has parked
it there for several years.. He apparently sold it... The Skystar trailer..
last I saw was physically in the hangar. Don't know if it is still there
but that's where it was..
I understand that Phil Reed and Mimi Plumb (Previous Owners and owners of
the building) Have been doing house cleaning. Not sure of all the details
but we certainly shouldn't speculate on anything..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: Kitfox-List: The return of Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Listers:
I found this message sent by Steve Winder from Airdale
on the Avid list.
> Hi guys,
> Things must be really moving at the old Skystar
plant.
> This last couple of weeks Phil Reid's Blue 'vette
has been outside for
> several hours most days and weekends! with other
cars.
> On Friday a large Box trailer, which maybe on the
"Asset list" and has
> been parked outside on the grass for several months,
was taken away--so
> something must be happening in there...selling off /
claiming of
> assets?.
> RUMOR has it that "they", whoever, are somewhere
down the line to
> reopening and possibly Frank Miller and Chrystal
beingtaken on
> as "employees"
> Sheeeeshhh!
> Regards,
> Steve at Airdale
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Guy
I hate it when a poke a hole through the bottom of my plane with a 2X4!! :)
I was thinking, could this be a place for a "inspection ring and cover" ?
All depends on the size of the hole and if you can work an inspection cover
into the area.
Only a thought!
I painted my IV with a urethane and then discovered I needed a static vent.
Long story, but I needed to cut a hole in the bottom also to feed the static
tube and connect the vent.
Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: SkyStar Aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Lou. With Skystar in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, there really isn't any "company"
to buy. The trade names (Kitfox, Skystar, etc) and the rights to the designs might
be purchased along with the rest of the former company's assets. I haven't
looked at the bankruptcy filings but I suspect these assets will likely go to
secured creditors who may then be interested in selling them.
You should contact the trustee in bankruptcy. There's a link somewhere in the
archives. Good luck. It would be great if someone could resurrect the enterprise.
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Lou Landucci <lou@rkraney.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci"
Good day:
Who would one talk to regarding the procurement of the Skystar
company? Any ideas; please advise?
Regards,
Lou Landucci
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Which sensor (part #--supplier, etc) did you finally end up with Rex?
Deke
Hi ! Deke,
I can't actually say yet but am just double checking Colins
thoughts before ordering. Colin put me on to www.gemsensors.com and he
says, and it looks like, they will supply one only over the nett. The cost
is $52US plus $5 handling according to their site. Colin mentioned ELS-900
then said ELS-1000 might be better if ethanol is involved. Trouble is I
can't find ELS-1000. However I don't expect to ever use a fuel with ethanol
in it. Ethanol absobs moisture and that in a two stroke with needle rollers
is real bad news. So I am really pretty happy with ELS-900 but just thought
I'd recheck with Colin. Unfortunately Colin has been off colour for a while
and is only expecting to come good this week and I imagine will be busy
catching up on things. Anyway ELS-900 comes in 4 versions. 205300 is 12
volts, sinks current in air and is 1/4" NPT so that is the one I want.
ELS-900 is made from Polyethersulfone and that's the bit that is beyond me.
I have tried checking this out myself but I am not 100% sure I have it right
but it does appear to be OK. I suggest you go to the site and have a look it
is very small dimensions which is good. If anyone else on list understands
about the Polyethersulfone bit it would be helpfull.
Thanks Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: telephone number-fire |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
the new number is 360-474-8118 . I just called and it did ring but no
answering machine .
Will try again tomorrow.
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: telephone number-fire
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Peter,
> I am so sorry about your engine and of course your burnt hands. I hope you
> can get both fixed quickly.
>
> I got these numbers from Kitplanes, but have not verified them. Since NSI
> is
> also undergoing new ownership you may run into supply problems.
>
> 360/435-1055 360/435-4554
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> pgow@Chartermi.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: telephone number-fire
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <pgow@chartermi.net>
>
> Does anyone on the list know the phone number of NSI? I can't find it on
> the web site,and the old toll-free number is out of service. I just had an
> engine fire and I need a lower rear cowling.The carb back fired and the
> engine and cowling caught on fire.VERY SCARY!!! Flames about 2ft high for
> about 2-3 mins. I put out the fire with snow. Got a few blisters on both
> hands.I'll be needing more parts but I don't know what all I need yet. For
> right I need to get a hold of NSI. Pete Gow
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The return of Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jose and all,
Phil has been working with the referee to make the Skystar facility
available to anyone interested in the assets. My undrstanding is that there
are several groups that are interested. A lot of Phil's effort was to make
the faciliity look good and he succeeded.
I guess this is how rumors get started.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: The return of Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Listers:
>
> I found this message sent by Steve Winder from Airdale
> on the Avid list.
>
>> Hi guys,
>> Things must be really moving at the old Skystar
> plant.
>> This last couple of weeks Phil Reid's Blue 'vette
> has been outside for
>> several hours most days and weekends! with other
> cars.
>
>
>> On Friday a large Box trailer, which maybe on the
> "Asset list" and has
>> been parked outside on the grass for several months,
> was taken away--so
>> something must be happening in there...selling off /
> claiming of
>> assets?.
>> RUMOR has it that "they", whoever, are somewhere
> down the line to
>> reopening and possibly Frank Miller and Chrystal
> beingtaken on
>> as "employees"
>> Sheeeeshhh!
>> Regards,
>> Steve at Airdale
>>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CO Exposure - finally explained |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
I believe there is a major difference between carbon monoxide (a colorless
poisonous gas) poisoning and hypoxia (a lack of oxygen).
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| Subject: | Re: SkyStar Aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
The best person to contact is the US Chapter 7 Trustee who is: Richard
Crawforth
410 South Orchard Street, Suite 172
Boise, Idaho 83705-1293
Facsimile (208) 344-0785
They are actively trying to sell ETG Corporation d/b/a Skystar Aircraft
Corp., d/b/a Westwind
The case no. is 05-05344
Good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Landucci" <lou@rkraney.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar Aircraft
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lou Landucci" <lou@rkraney.com>
>
> Good day:
>
> Who would one talk to regarding the procurement of the Skystar
> company? Any ideas; please advise?
>
> Regards,
>
> Lou Landucci
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: telephone number-fire |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Pete,
Sorry about your fire and hands. Sometimes a little
snow is a good thing.
When you get a chance to sum up the damage, we other
NIS owners would like to know what burned for so long.
I have had several back fires of my own when I
overprimed, but none burned anything. I just get some
oil splatter out the filter. I am wondering what you
had that would burn for 2 minutes and light off the
cowl. I might face the same problem in the future?
Kurt S. S-5/NIS turbo
--- pgow@chartermi.net wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list know the phone number of
> NSI? I can't find it on the web site,and the old
> toll-free number is out of service. I just had an
> engine fire and I need a lower rear cowling.The carb
> back fired and the engine and cowling caught on
> fire.VERY SCARY!!! Flames about 2ft high for about
> 2-3 mins. I put out the fire with snow. Got a few
> blisters on both hands.I'll be needing more parts
> but I don't know what all I need yet. For right I
> need to get a hold of NSI. Pete Gow
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| Subject: | Re: Low Level Fuel Sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey paul,
Sorry I missed your recent "first flight" experience.
Late Congrats on the "one last good day to fly" flight
off the water.
On the header tank, without it you would have a
problem keeping the carb filled, if the flow from the
wings is the problem. Without the warning, you might
takeoff not knowing your about to empty the header
tank. Without the header tank, you wouldnt have a
warning until the engine quit from bad fuel flow.
Struggleing to keep the header full is better than
struggling to keep the engine running.
As I said, I didnt like that little header tank and
made a bigger one so that the warning light became a
caution light.
"Warning, you have 10 minutes of fuel left. Think
fast or land somewhere ASAP"
Or now
"Caution, you have 20-30 minutes of fuel left. Wiggle
the plane and change attitude until you refill the
header, or land at the nearest nice suitable
field/airport.
I suppose I just like making my plane smarter than me.
;-)
Sometimes I wonder if it wouldnt be good to have 2 2"
pipes at each corner of the baggage area to form tall
header tanks. A short hose to each from the wing
tank, verticle tanks tied together at the top for
venting and at the bottom to go to the engine.
Everything hard except the short hoses. Just
thinking... Dont know how much they would hold, but
they might relieve some problems.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Paul Seehafer <av8rps@tznet.com> wrote:
> I agree the fuel level sensor is a good idea. But I
> am beginning to wonder if these header tanks are
such a good
> idea? I had a similar problem when ground running
my engine.
> Couldn't keep the header tank full unless the
> airplane was at just the right attitude and jostled
> back and forth a bit.
>
> Paul Seehafer
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:14 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>Hello Guy
>
>I hate it when a poke a hole through the bottom of my plane with a 2X4!! :)
>
>I was thinking, could this be a place for a "inspection ring and cover" ?
>All depends on the size of the hole and if you can work an inspection cover
>into the area.
>Only a thought!
Nah, I've got an inspection cover a foot away. It's also my ground plane
for my transponder antenna. Nice idea, though!
>I painted my IV with a urethane and then discovered I needed a static vent.
>Long story, but I needed to cut a hole in the bottom also to feed the static
>tube and connect the vent.
>
>Eric.
>
>
Guy
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| Subject: | Bowed Birch False Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don & Chris (new)" <dcradish@povn.com>
I am new to this list "thing" and it looks quite interesting and helpful. I am
working on the first wing of my S7 and just figured out that I want the bottom
false ribs so I am having to make them from a pattern obtained from John McBean.
(Thanks, John) My problem is that the 2.5 mm plywood available seems to
all have a good bow to it. After having trouble with the semi-straight top false
ribs that came with the kit, is there a way to straighten the plywood before
cutting it, or are there suggestions on how else to get these things straight?
Don McIntosh
Sandpoint, ID
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