Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:51 AM - Re: Bowed Birch False Ribs (kurt schrader)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: sight gauges (Fox5flyer)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Need email address for Murle Williams Aviation (Michael Gibbs)
4. 09:24 AM - Re: Fabric Hole (Steve Zakreski)
5. 10:02 AM - Re: sight gauges (Tim Vader)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: Fabric Hole (Alan & Linda Daniels)
7. 11:33 AM - Re: sight gauges (Donald STEVENSON)
8. 12:54 PM - Re: sight gauges (Alan & Linda Daniels)
9. 01:05 PM - Re: sight gauges (Tim Vader)
10. 01:37 PM - Series 5 for sale (Alan & Linda Daniels)
11. 01:55 PM - Re: NSI Ignition Problems (Michael Logan)
12. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained (Bradley M Webb)
13. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained (olson gary)
14. 08:04 PM - Re: Fabric Hole (ron schick)
15. 09:06 PM - Spare GSC prop? (ron schick)
16. 10:20 PM - Re: Fabric Hole (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Bowed Birch False Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I have to say that Ron has the best idea I have heard
of. Cap the ribs, even on the tail to keep them
straight.
He also beat me to the 55KF N number, darn it. ;-)
Kurt S. S-5/N210F
--- Ron Liebmann <rliebmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Don,
>
> I solved the problem even before I installed the
> false ribs by cutting 1/4"
> wide strips of 1/32" plywood and glued to to the top
> edge at full length.
> This not only keeps the false rib straight and gives
> it needed strength but
> it gives the fabric a wider, better looking gluing
> surface.
>
> Ron N55KF
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| Subject: | Re: sight gauges |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I'm starting to get the impression that the M4 used a different type of
sight gauge setup. Mine (S5) uses 1/8"npt X 3/8"compression o-rings. I
wouldn't think this would work with tygon. Or is there something I'm
missing here?
Tnx,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Deke,
>
> I went back to tygon. I found that the old barb fittings were fine and I
> heated and bent it to get the indicator part vertical. I got tired of the
> nylon fittings loosening and leaking.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > I'm preparing to replace my S5 original acrylic tubing sight gauges.
> > They've been in service for 5 years now and have become somewhat
> > discolored, but no other problems. Looking at ACS catalog I find two
> > types of clear rigid tubing. One is "clear extruded acrylic tubing" and
> > the other is "clear PVC rigid schedule 40". Does anyone know which one
is
> > the correct one to order?
> > Also, is there a better way than using the clear rigid stuff and having
to
> > bend it? I seem to remember a thread where clear Tygon was used with
> > inserts to keep it from leaking. Any input before I order would be
muchly
> > appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Deke
> > 25f, calm, clear in NE Michigan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need email address for Murle Williams Aviation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Don,
As someone already mentioned, you can reach Murle at:
Murle.Williams@gmail.com
If you prefer to call him, his phone number is:
602-978-0553
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
It is sometimes a LOT easier to simply sandwich the hole with a pair of thin
gauge aluminum plates bolted together and painted to match the aircraft. I
would save doing any aircraft refinishing until you create a REAL hole, and
then go back and repair any little ones.
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/NSI/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:14 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>Hello Guy
>
>I hate it when a poke a hole through the bottom of my plane with a 2X4!! :)
>
>I was thinking, could this be a place for a "inspection ring and cover" ?
>All depends on the size of the hole and if you can work an inspection cover
>into the area.
>Only a thought!
Nah, I've got an inspection cover a foot away. It's also my ground plane
for my transponder antenna. Nice idea, though!
>I painted my IV with a urethane and then discovered I needed a static vent.
>Long story, but I needed to cut a hole in the bottom also to feed the
static
>tube and connect the vent.
>
>Eric.
>
>
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: sight gauges |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
Deke
In John McBean's kit the copression fittings are replaced with hose
barbs and
Breeze mini hose clamps to secure the tygon/ urethane tubing.
Tim Vader
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I'm starting to get the impression that the M4 used a different type of
> sight gauge setup. Mine (S5) uses 1/8"npt X 3/8"compression o-rings. I
> wouldn't think this would work with tygon. Or is there something I'm
> missing here?
> Tnx,
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Deke,
>>
>> I went back to tygon. I found that the old barb fittings were fine and I
>> heated and bent it to get the indicator part vertical. I got tired of
>> the
>> nylon fittings loosening and leaking.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> >
>> > I'm preparing to replace my S5 original acrylic tubing sight gauges.
>> > They've been in service for 5 years now and have become somewhat
>> > discolored, but no other problems. Looking at ACS catalog I find two
>> > types of clear rigid tubing. One is "clear extruded acrylic tubing"
>> > and
>> > the other is "clear PVC rigid schedule 40". Does anyone know which one
> is
>> > the correct one to order?
>> > Also, is there a better way than using the clear rigid stuff and having
> to
>> > bend it? I seem to remember a thread where clear Tygon was used with
>> > inserts to keep it from leaking. Any input before I order would be
> muchly
>> > appreciated.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Deke
>> > 25f, calm, clear in NE Michigan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
If it is not in a structural area, like on the bottom there is a simple
way to fix it. Cut your patch, clean and scuff the area with scotch
bright. Be careful not to cut all the way through the paint coat. If you
do as soon as anything with MEK touches it the paint will blister off.
Glue the patch right to the paint. This works well in a no or low load
area. I have never had one come off yet. You can scour the paint with a
razor and peal the entire paint film off, but it stretches the fabric so
bad you can never get a good looking patch. I have also used MEK on a Q
tip on the back side. This blows the paint right off, but you are stuck
with a rough edge to feather in.
Steve Zakreski wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>It is sometimes a LOT easier to simply sandwich the hole with a pair of thin
>gauge aluminum plates bolted together and painted to match the aircraft. I
>would save doing any aircraft refinishing until you create a REAL hole, and
>then go back and repair any little ones.
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary
>IV/NSI/CAP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>At 02:14 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>>
>>Hello Guy
>>
>>I hate it when a poke a hole through the bottom of my plane with a 2X4!! :)
>>
>>I was thinking, could this be a place for a "inspection ring and cover" ?
>>All depends on the size of the hole and if you can work an inspection cover
>>into the area.
>>Only a thought!
>>
>>
>
>Nah, I've got an inspection cover a foot away. It's also my ground plane
>for my transponder antenna. Nice idea, though!
>
>
>
>
>>I painted my IV with a urethane and then discovered I needed a static vent.
>>Long story, but I needed to cut a hole in the bottom also to feed the
>>
>>
>static
>
>
>>tube and connect the vent.
>>
>>Eric.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Guy
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sight gauges |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi Tim, The picture on John's web site looks like the
tubes or pre-bent hard plastic or glass, I have barbed
fittings with tygon tubing as original equipment in my
1992 M4 speedster, and I was looking for a better way
but I don't think the ones John has will fit the
existing hole centres, Don
--- Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader"
> <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>
> Deke
>
> In John McBean's kit the copression fittings
> are replaced with hose
> barbs and
> Breeze mini hose clamps to secure the tygon/
> urethane tubing.
>
> Tim Vader
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > I'm starting to get the impression that the M4
> used a different type of
> > sight gauge setup. Mine (S5) uses 1/8"npt X
> 3/8"compression o-rings. I
> > wouldn't think this would work with tygon. Or is
> there something I'm
> > missing here?
> > Tnx,
> > Deke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >>
> >> Deke,
> >>
> >> I went back to tygon. I found that the old barb
> fittings were fine and I
> >> heated and bent it to get the indicator part
> vertical. I got tired of
> >> the
> >> nylon fittings loosening and leaking.
> >>
> >> Lowell
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >> >
> >> > I'm preparing to replace my S5 original acrylic
> tubing sight gauges.
> >> > They've been in service for 5 years now and
> have become somewhat
> >> > discolored, but no other problems. Looking at
> ACS catalog I find two
> >> > types of clear rigid tubing. One is "clear
> extruded acrylic tubing"
> >> > and
> >> > the other is "clear PVC rigid schedule 40".
> Does anyone know which one
> > is
> >> > the correct one to order?
> >> > Also, is there a better way than using the
> clear rigid stuff and having
> > to
> >> > bend it? I seem to remember a thread where
> clear Tygon was used with
> >> > inserts to keep it from leaking. Any input
> before I order would be
> > muchly
> >> > appreciated.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Deke
> >> > 25f, calm, clear in NE Michigan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sight gauges |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
John's site tubes are not hard, they just look good because of the brass
rod holding them in shape. Can be adjusted to any hole centers.
Alan
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>Hi Tim, The picture on John's web site looks like the
>tubes or pre-bent hard plastic or glass, I have barbed
>fittings with tygon tubing as original equipment in my
>1992 M4 speedster, and I was looking for a better way
>but I don't think the ones John has will fit the
>existing hole centres, Don
>
>
>--- Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader"
>><vadert@telusplanet.net>
>>
>>Deke
>>
>> In John McBean's kit the copression fittings
>>are replaced with hose
>>barbs and
>>Breeze mini hose clamps to secure the tygon/
>>urethane tubing.
>>
>>Tim Vader
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>>>
>>>
>><morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>>
>>>I'm starting to get the impression that the M4
>>>
>>>
>>used a different type of
>>
>>
>>>sight gauge setup. Mine (S5) uses 1/8"npt X
>>>
>>>
>>3/8"compression o-rings. I
>>
>>
>>>wouldn't think this would work with tygon. Or is
>>>
>>>
>>there something I'm
>>
>>
>>>missing here?
>>>Tnx,
>>>Deke
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>>>>
>>>>
>><lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>>>>Deke,
>>>>
>>>>I went back to tygon. I found that the old barb
>>>>
>>>>
>>fittings were fine and I
>>
>>
>>>>heated and bent it to get the indicator part
>>>>
>>>>
>>vertical. I got tired of
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>nylon fittings loosening and leaking.
>>>>
>>>>Lowell
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>>To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>><morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm preparing to replace my S5 original acrylic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>tubing sight gauges.
>>
>>
>>>>>They've been in service for 5 years now and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>have become somewhat
>>
>>
>>>>>discolored, but no other problems. Looking at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>ACS catalog I find two
>>
>>
>>>>>types of clear rigid tubing. One is "clear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>extruded acrylic tubing"
>>
>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>the other is "clear PVC rigid schedule 40".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Does anyone know which one
>>
>>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the correct one to order?
>>>>>Also, is there a better way than using the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>clear rigid stuff and having
>>
>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>bend it? I seem to remember a thread where
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>clear Tygon was used with
>>
>>
>>>>>inserts to keep it from leaking. Any input
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>before I order would be
>>
>>
>>>muchly
>>>
>>>
>>>>>appreciated.
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Deke
>>>>>25f, calm, clear in NE Michigan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Click on
>>about
>>provided
>>www.buildersbooks.com,
>>Admin.
>>_->
>>browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sight gauges |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
Don
John's kit uses a brass wire inside the sight tube to hold the tubing in
the shape you desire. It should be universal for the fittings and tubing.
The placards may not fit your configuration but I thought they were all
pretty much the same
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald STEVENSON" <shericom@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> Hi Tim, The picture on John's web site looks like the
> tubes or pre-bent hard plastic or glass, I have barbed
> fittings with tygon tubing as original equipment in my
> 1992 M4 speedster, and I was looking for a better way
> but I don't think the ones John has will fit the
> existing hole centres, Don
>
>
> --- Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader"
>> <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>>
>> Deke
>>
>> In John McBean's kit the copression fittings
>> are replaced with hose
>> barbs and
>> Breeze mini hose clamps to secure the tygon/
>> urethane tubing.
>>
>> Tim Vader
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> >
>> > I'm starting to get the impression that the M4
>> used a different type of
>> > sight gauge setup. Mine (S5) uses 1/8"npt X
>> 3/8"compression o-rings. I
>> > wouldn't think this would work with tygon. Or is
>> there something I'm
>> > missing here?
>> > Tnx,
>> > Deke
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>> >
>> >
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> >>
>> >> Deke,
>> >>
>> >> I went back to tygon. I found that the old barb
>> fittings were fine and I
>> >> heated and bent it to get the indicator part
>> vertical. I got tired of
>> >> the
>> >> nylon fittings loosening and leaking.
>> >>
>> >> Lowell
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> >> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: sight gauges
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm preparing to replace my S5 original acrylic
>> tubing sight gauges.
>> >> > They've been in service for 5 years now and
>> have become somewhat
>> >> > discolored, but no other problems. Looking at
>> ACS catalog I find two
>> >> > types of clear rigid tubing. One is "clear
>> extruded acrylic tubing"
>> >> > and
>> >> > the other is "clear PVC rigid schedule 40".
>> Does anyone know which one
>> > is
>> >> > the correct one to order?
>> >> > Also, is there a better way than using the
>> clear rigid stuff and having
>> > to
>> >> > bend it? I seem to remember a thread where
>> clear Tygon was used with
>> >> > inserts to keep it from leaking. Any input
>> before I order would be
>> > muchly
>> >> > appreciated.
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Deke
>> >> > 25f, calm, clear in NE Michigan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Series 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
The series 5 with a series 7 firewall forward that one of my son's and I
built has the time flown off and is for sale. He decided to get married
instead of keeping the plane. It was built to meet the Light Sport
requirements and has a max. gross of 1320 pounds as required. Very nice
plane. Please contact me off list for details. I would consider some
trades of unfinished 5,6,7, kits or 4 place airplane or Vans RV up or down.
Thank you
Alan
DNA
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI Ignition Problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Thanks John, let me know. I am not sure what has gone bad in the unit. I
have not looked at the schematics very thoroughly and it has been so long
since I did any electronics repair, I doubt if I could figure it out.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Perry
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Problems
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Michael is it the diodes that you think died in them . if so we are in the
process of rebuilding some and will in the next several days if it works .
if it does then will everyone know where the proper diodes can be bought
from .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Problems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
> I have the NSI SHO engine with the dual Electromotive HPV-1 ignition and
> one
> of them has gone bad. I have isolated the problem down to the module
> itself
> and discussed this with the technical help at Electromotive. He said it
> is
> not worth tearing it apart to fix it but the replacement part would be
> $695
> and would require me to redesign the whole mounting system for the
> ignition
> since it is different than the old one.
>
>
> Does anyone have a spare HPV-1 ignition module they would like to sell me?
> The guy at Electromotive said I should look on Ebay, but that could take
> months for one to show up with no guarantee that I would get it.
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is an email list for people with the NSI setup?
>
>
> I have the full schematics for the unit, anyone out there that can help me
> repair it?
>
> My plane is grounded until I can get this fixed.
>
>
> Mike Logan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CO Exposure - finally explained |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
In all due respect,
I suggest you do one of two things: a) actually read the message, and/or b)
go ask any medical professional anywhere about it.
How do you suppose the colorless poisonous gas gets into your body to affect
you? You don't drink it...
In all fairness, you are correct in a roundabout sort of way. You are
thinking of Hypoxic Hypoxia, defined as the lack of available oxygen in the
environment to sustain a useful supply to the bloodstream. But that is not
the only type of hypoxia. CO ingestion is known as Hypemic Hypoxia, or the
lack of ability of the blood to carry the oxygen to the cells. It can't
carry oxygen because the Carbon Monoxide beats it to the punch and attaches
first, before the oxygen has a chance. The full 21% O2 is still present in
the atmosphere, you just can't use it. CO attaches about 200 times more
readily than oxygen to the red blood cells.
I thought I already explained this?
BTW, one of the best ways to recover from CO poisoning is to breathe 100%
oxygen for some undetermined time. I would think that maybe a small,
handheld O2 cylinder might be a useful precaution in the flight bag, if CO
presence is of concern to you.
Still, an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure...
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
I believe there is a major difference between carbon monoxide (a colorless
poisonous gas) poisoning and hypoxia (a lack of oxygen).
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| Subject: | Re: CO Exposure - finally explained |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "olson gary" <olsontreeserv@hotmail.com>
Just remember that CO and altitude do not get along!! By the time that you
feel the effects of CO in flight, the only thing that supplimental oxygen
will do for you is maybe buy you a little time to get on the ground. Brad is
correct in his statement that CO binds to the red blood cells 200X more
rapidly than oxygen. Keep in mind that by being at altitude, the oxygen
levels as well as the pressure drops, compounding the problem. Breathing
100% O2 is primarily effective only in mild cases. If you are to the point
where headaches, confusion and nausea have set in, the only way to
effectively force the oxygen into the red blood cells is to increase the
partial wedge pressure of the oxygen in your system. This is accomplished
thru a hyperbaric chamber. The CO must forcibly be removed from your system.
But anyway, I agree that the only treatment for CO poisoning at altitude (or
anywhere else) is prevention.
Gary
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
In all due respect,
I suggest you do one of two things: a) actually read the message, and/or b)
go ask any medical professional anywhere about it.
How do you suppose the colorless poisonous gas gets into your body to affect
you? You don't drink it...
In all fairness, you are correct in a roundabout sort of way. You are
thinking of Hypoxic Hypoxia, defined as the lack of available oxygen in the
environment to sustain a useful supply to the bloodstream. But that is not
the only type of hypoxia. CO ingestion is known as Hypemic Hypoxia, or the
lack of ability of the blood to carry the oxygen to the cells. It can't
carry oxygen because the Carbon Monoxide beats it to the punch and attaches
first, before the oxygen has a chance. The full 21% O2 is still present in
the atmosphere, you just can't use it. CO attaches about 200 times more
readily than oxygen to the red blood cells.
I thought I already explained this?
BTW, one of the best ways to recover from CO poisoning is to breathe 100%
oxygen for some undetermined time. I would think that maybe a small,
handheld O2 cylinder might be a useful precaution in the flight bag, if CO
presence is of concern to you.
Still, an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure...
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CO Exposure - finally explained
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
I believe there is a major difference between carbon monoxide (a colorless
poisonous gas) poisoning and hypoxia (a lack of oxygen).
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Thats thinking outside of the box Steve. Maybe he could make use of it, say
a relief tube?
Ron NB Ore
>From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:23:54 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>It is sometimes a LOT easier to simply sandwich the hole with a pair of
>thin
>gauge aluminum plates bolted together and painted to match the aircraft. I
>would save doing any aircraft refinishing until you create a REAL hole, and
>then go back and repair any little ones.
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary
>IV/NSI/CAP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric Hole
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>At 02:14 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
> >
> >Hello Guy
> >
> >I hate it when a poke a hole through the bottom of my plane with a 2X4!!
>:)
> >
> >I was thinking, could this be a place for a "inspection ring and cover" ?
> >All depends on the size of the hole and if you can work an inspection
>cover
> >into the area.
> >Only a thought!
>
>Nah, I've got an inspection cover a foot away. It's also my ground plane
>for my transponder antenna. Nice idea, though!
>
>
> >I painted my IV with a urethane and then discovered I needed a static
>vent.
> >Long story, but I needed to cut a hole in the bottom also to feed the
>static
> >tube and connect the vent.
> >
> >Eric.
> >
> >
>
>Guy
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I destroyed the 68" GSC today on my Avid. I was sitting there minding my
own business, warming up the motor, when the nosegear broke off. Hate it
when that happens. It seems that someone had a spare a while back and if
they would like to sell it please let me know before I order my nice new
blades.
On a happier note I started covering the Kitfox. I have the bottom and
two sides of the fuselage done. What a learning curve, but it's looking
good. Ron NB Ore
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:09 AM 12/14/2005, you wrote:
>If it is not in a structural area, like on the bottom there is a simple
>way to fix it. Cut your patch, clean and scuff the area with scotch
>bright. Be careful not to cut all the way through the paint coat. If you
>do as soon as anything with MEK touches it the paint will blister off.
>Glue the patch right to the paint. This works well in a no or low load
>area. I have never had one come off yet.
Yes, I'm wondering if this might be cleaner in the long run.
Guy
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