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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS (Brett Walmsley)
2. 04:40 AM - Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? (Donald STEVENSON)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? (Lyle Persels)
4. 07:42 AM - Fabric on flaperons? (John Disher)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS (John Disher)
6. 09:21 AM - Re: Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? (Roger Standley)
7. 11:04 AM - Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS (ron schick)
8. 11:12 AM - Re: SB on SLITS? (ron schick)
9. 01:47 PM - Skis (Alan & Linda Daniels)
10. 01:49 PM - Panel Upgrade (Jim Burke)
11. 06:15 PM - Re Skis (Lmar)
12. 07:24 PM - Tail Wheel Springs (Tc9008@aol.com)
13. 08:44 PM - Re: Tail Wheel Springs (Clint Bazzill)
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
I think that procedure was deleted in the 2003 manual release for the Model
IV including the Speedster.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald STEVENSON" <shericom@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> Alan, The cuts in the aluminium skin at the hinge
> locations are standard for the SPEEDSTER flaperon to
> allow for flexing due the the heaver loading on the
> Speedster model per the construction manual, Don
>
>
> --- Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda
>> Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>>
>> Consider the structural component of the aluminum on
>> the flaperons. If
>> they have be degraded structurally with improper
>> cuts you may have a
>> safety of flight issue. The ribs are just foam. Scab
>> patching may not
>> look as good, but you may have to for strength. Find
>> someone local that
>> is has built a nice aluminum airplane, it would be a
>> piece of cake for
>> them. IMHO
>>
>> Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>> <shericom@rogers.com>
>> >
>> >Hi Ron, Because the flaperons are cut all around as
>> >you have said, and are to be covered with tape at
>> the
>> >cuts, is why I was thinking about fabric over the
>> >whole surface, I think it would look better, but
>> might
>> >have some other negative result, I'm not sure what
>> >I'll do, maybe I'll get some other comments from
>> >someone who has done it, Regards, Don
>> >
>> >
>> >--- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>> >><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>Don I got a speedster from a tweaker that had done
>> >>everything wrong that he
>> >>touched. One of the things was the flapperons had
>> >>been cut all of the way
>> >>around at the hinges. These had aluminum strips
>> >>riveted over them as scabs.
>> >> I read the manual and found specifications to
>> make
>> >>the cuts on the
>> >>SPEEDSTER model, then cover the slits with fabric.
>>
>> >>I have not decided what
>> >>to do to mine yet, but covering them is possible.
>> >>Maybe a little extra drag
>> >>from the surface. Ron NB Oregon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>From: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>> >>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >>>To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> >>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?
>> >>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:25:09 -0500 (EST)
>> >>>
>> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald
>> STEVENSON
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >><shericom@rogers.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all, I will soon be ready to cover my M4/1200
>> >>>Speedster and I was thinking it may be a good
>> idea
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>to
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>cover the flaperons with fabric to match the
>> wings,
>> >>>Has anyone done this, and is it a good idea or
>> not?
>> >>>Any comments would be a help. Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>> >>>M4/1200/912 Speedster
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>browse
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>> >>FAQ,
>> >>
>> >>Admin.
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| Subject: | Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
I would like to hear from anyone flying an early model
4 Speedster with the aluminium skin cut around the
three middle hinge areas of the flaperons (as per the
construction manual) Mine are cut, but the plane is
still in construction, and I'm hearing that these cuts
were discontinued at some point in time. The question
is, ARE THEY A PROBLEM, AND WHAT IS THE FIX? ! Thanks
for any comments, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Model 4/1200/912 Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I'm just speculating but perhaps the cuts in the flaperons may have
been discontinued because the added flexibility may have proven
unnecessary. I flew off the 40 hours in my friend's speedster with
"sectioned" flaperons. I'm not aware of any difficulties that may
have resulted in the requirement to cut the flaperons. Neither do I
recall the topic having been previously discussed on this list.
Lyle Persels
KF-IV/912UL
On 12 18, 05, at 6:40 AM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
> <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> I would like to hear from anyone flying an early model
> 4 Speedster with the aluminium skin cut around the
> three middle hinge areas of the flaperons (as per the
> construction manual) Mine are cut, but the plane is
> still in construction, and I'm hearing that these cuts
> were discontinued at some point in time. The question
> is, ARE THEY A PROBLEM, AND WHAT IS THE FIX? ! Thanks
> for any comments, Don
>
> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
> Model 4/1200/912 Speedster
>
>
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| Subject: | Fabric on flaperons? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
When I built my Speedster the official line was to cut the aluminum and cover it
with fabric because their ace aerobatic pilot had said that the controls would
get too stiff during heavy maneuvers. Unfortuneately in use the fabric strips
worked loose and it left unsightly edges. When I contacted Skystar they said
that was no longer being suggested and they sent me a new flaperon for the cone
that was coming loose and said they would sell me another one at a double
cousin price.
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
If you decide to patch, you might consider structural adhesive rather than
pop-rivets. Fusor makes a variety top knotch adhesives.
-------Original Message-------
From: Alan & Linda Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Consider the structural component of the aluminum on the flaperons. If
they have be degraded structurally with improper cuts you may have a
safety of flight issue. The ribs are just foam. Scab patching may not
look as good, but you may have to for strength. Find someone local that
is has built a nice aluminum airplane, it would be a piece of cake for
them. IMHO
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>Hi Ron, Because the flaperons are cut all around as
>you have said, and are to be covered with tape at the
>cuts, is why I was thinking about fabric over the
>whole surface, I think it would look better, but might
>have some other negative result, I'm not sure what
>I'll do, maybe I'll get some other comments from
>someone who has done it, Regards, Don
>
>
>--- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Don I got a speedster from a tweaker that had done
>>everything wrong that he
>>touched. One of the things was the flapperons had
>>been cut all of the way
>>around at the hinges. These had aluminum strips
>>riveted over them as scabs.
>> I read the manual and found specifications to make
>>the cuts on the
>>SPEEDSTER model, then cover the slits with fabric.
>>I have not decided what
>>to do to mine yet, but covering them is possible.
>>Maybe a little extra drag
>>from the surface. Ron NB Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?
>>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:25:09 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>>>
>>>
>><shericom@rogers.com>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all, I will soon be ready to cover my M4/1200
>>>Speedster and I was thinking it may be a good idea
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>cover the flaperons with fabric to match the wings,
>>>Has anyone done this, and is it a good idea or not?
>>>Any comments would be a help. Thanks,
>>>
>>>Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>>>M4/1200/912 Speedster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>FAQ,
>>
>>Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cuts in Speedster Flaperons? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Hi Don,
I built a IV-1200 with Speedster wing. Back in '93 - '94, Skystar was recommending
to cut the aluminum and cover it with fabric if you planned on doing aerobatics
because the controls could get stiff during heavy maneuvers. They even sent
me the tabs and rivets for the trailing edge. So I cut the skins, installed
the tabs and covered the cuts with fabric. I have been doing lite aerobatics
since 2001 and with almost 400 hours, all has worked well and still looks good.
Roger Standley
IV-1200 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald STEVENSON<mailto:shericom@rogers.com>
To: Kitfox List<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:40 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cuts in Speedster Flaperons?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com<mailto:shericom@rogers.com>>
I would like to hear from anyone flying an early model
4 Speedster with the aluminium skin cut around the
three middle hinge areas of the flaperons (as per the
construction manual) Mine are cut, but the plane is
still in construction, and I'm hearing that these cuts
were discontinued at some point in time. The question
is, ARE THEY A PROBLEM, AND WHAT IS THE FIX? ! Thanks
for any comments, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Model 4/1200/912 Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
John and all, thanks for the info as I will soon be working on the wings.
Ron NB Ore
do not archive
>From: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS
>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:52:29 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
>Ron,
>
>Making the cuts on the flaperons at the hinges is no longer recommended,
>or necessary. That was recommended when the Model IV-1200 Speedster
>first came out.
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>ron schick wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Don I got a speedster from a tweaker that had done everything wrong that
>he
> >touched. One of the things was the flapperons had been cut all of the way
> >around at the hinges. These had aluminum strips riveted over them as
>scabs.
> > I read the manual and found specifications to make the cuts on the
> >SPEEDSTER model, then cover the slits with fabric. I have not decided
>what
> >to do to mine yet, but covering them is possible. Maybe a little extra
>drag
> >from the surface. Ron NB Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB on SLITS? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Don my 92 speedster is vague on the fabric over the slits, and searching for
applicable sb ad on Skystars site I saw no referance to it. Could have
missed something, look on Sportflight or Mcbeans' site. Ron NB Ore
>From: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric on Flaperons?-SLITS
>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:11:55 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
>Ron, My Speedster (1992) is in the construction stage,
>I purchased it from a gentlemen in California a year
>age and I'm just about ready to cover it, The fellow
>in California had already made the cuts in the
>flaperons, was there any kind of a service bulletin to
>alter these in any way?Don Stevenson
>
>
>--- John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
> > <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Making the cuts on the flaperons at the hinges is no
> > longer recommended,
> > or necessary. That was recommended when the Model
> > IV-1200 Speedster
> > first came out.
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
> >
> >
> > ron schick wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> > <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >Don I got a speedster from a tweaker that had done
> > everything wrong that he
> > >touched. One of the things was the flapperons had
> > been cut all of the way
> > >around at the hinges. These had aluminum strips
> > riveted over them as scabs.
> > > I read the manual and found specifications to
> > make the cuts on the
> > >SPEEDSTER model, then cover the slits with fabric.
> > I have not decided what
> > >to do to mine yet, but covering them is possible.
> > Maybe a little extra drag
> > >from the surface. Ron NB Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> > Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Is anyone have luck with skis with the tires sticking through. A friend
wants skis on his 7, but has to land at his home airport that is plowed.
I can't find out much about what is out there and how well they work.
Merry Christmas .
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I'd like to thank Don STEVENSON for all the great pictures he sent to assets
me in upgrading my panel. I also want to thank all the Kitfoxer that
supported me in a time of need. I will be posting my progress on sportflight
in the near future.
Again thanks to all.
Jim N94JE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
Allan,
I have wheel penetrating skis on my Avid made by Avid.
I live in Northern Illinois, where we get snow one day, then 45f the next.
I've used them for 3 seasons now and think that they are great!
Mind you, I haven't been in real deep snow, but I am told they are good there
too.
You may want to check out "treetopflyers.org" or "Supercub.org"
Merry Christmas,
Larry
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Is anyone have luck with skis with the tires sticking through. A friend wants
skis on his 7, but has to land at his home airport that is plowed. I can't
find out much about what is out there and how well they work. Merry Christmas
. Alan
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
How tight should the tail wheel springs be on my Kitfox IV. They appear to
be loose but won't come off when flying. I tightened them up one notch and had
to pry them on with a screwdriver. They now appear too tight. What is next?
Travis
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Springs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
They should be tight. How much play would you want in the steering wheel of
your car? I think they should be hard to remove. My opinions Clint Model
IV 1100 hours
From: Tc9008@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Springs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
How tight should the tail wheel springs be on my Kitfox IV. They appear to
be loose but won't come off when flying. I tightened them up one notch and
had
to pry them on with a screwdriver. They now appear too tight. What is next?
Travis
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