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1. 06:19 AM - Re: High EGT on a 582 (D& D Syverson)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: High EGT on a 582 (Marco Menezes)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: High EGT on a 582 (Gary Algate)
4. 08:15 AM - Is this right? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: Is this right? (ron schick)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Is this right? (Don Pearsall)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Is this right? (D& D Syverson)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Is this right? (flier)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Is this right? (Tom Jones)
10. 09:53 AM - Aircraft registration (D& D Syverson)
11. 10:06 AM - Re: Is this right? (Tom Jones)
12. 03:11 PM - Brake Pedal adjustment (Rex & Jan Shaw)
13. 03:30 PM - EGT high on one cylinder on part throttle. (Rex & Jan Shaw)
14. 05:15 PM - Re: Brake Pedal adjustment (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
15. 05:18 PM - Re: Is this right? (Herbert R Gottelt)
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Travis,
I first must conditionalize any advice I give because I have never operated a
582; however, given the nature of the EGT system, the first thing I would do
(unless the engine had obvious indications of something going on like an
intermittent ignition miss or power change - which means fix the problem
with the engine) is to try to figure out if the gauge is telling the truth.
Realize 1) The indicated temperature may not be the true egt - there are
calibration errors in these systems - think of the calibration errors in an
ASI - indicated and true airspeed are not the same number either -
instruments like EGTs have errors related to their construction. 2) Different
indications between two EGT probes can be the result of a change in
electrical characteristics for the specific probe/indicator or something as
stupid as crud accumulations on the probe, a poor ground, a cold junction
which got too close to something warm/hot, or a wire which is loostening or
breaking. If (emphasis on IF) you can swap probes or wires between cylinders,
and the problem goes with the move - that is one really low tech way of
getting some insight on the calibration or condition of the EGT system. I
can't say that EGT calibration or condition is what you are dealing with, but
I think it is something we usually take for granted and should not be ignored
if nothing else appears to be the problem. Us humans have a tendency to think
numbers mean what they say, but often they just don't.
Now - what can affect EGT? 1) Fuel mixture can have a really large influence
on the temperature - If there have been recent adjustments to the carburetors
I would seriously revisit the mixture settings or anything else which might
affect air/fuel mixture for one cylinder compared to the other (this can be a
pretty long list from floats to chokes to vacuum leaks to exhaust restriction
to crapped up air filters and a ton of other stuff). 2) Condition of the
ignition system - crudded up spark plug, ignition timing. 3) Mechanical
condition of the engine - how many hours on the engine? how's the
compression? In my own little world - if an engine is mucking up - I always
assure that the ignition system is perfect first because a problem with the
ignition can often look like a problem with carburetion of engine mechanical
condition. Some folks like to start with a compression check or leakdown
check.
Again - I haven't operated or worked on a 582, but my inner motorhead tells
me that this is some of the things I would consider on any engine.
Item, BIG - for all of us - whenever an engine does not seem right - don't be
afraid of cracking open the owner's manual and maintenance manual - most of
the time it isn't a big mystery - it is just a matter of following the
manufacturer's procedures for the CORRECT settings and for the listed
troubleshooting information.
Dave S
St Paul
On Thursday 22 December 2005 9:38 pm, Tc9008@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> When I throttle back to the mid 50's my egt goes to 1250-1275 on one
> cylinder but the other is 1150. what should I do first?
> Travis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Travis.
After you check for instrumentation error, if there's still a problem, you might
try replacing the mid-range jet needle on the "hot" cylinder's carb with the
next richer size. Incidently, the aft cylinder on my 582 gray head tends to
run 50 degrees hotter no matter what I do.
Tc9008@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
When I throttle back to the mid 50's my egt goes to 1250-1275 on one
cylinder but the other is 1150. what should I do first?
Travis
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | High EGT on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Marco
EGT's on 2 strokes are notoriously inaccurate however if in the past you
didn't have this issue something must have changes.
I'm not sure where you are located but in N.Canada I have to do quite a bit
of juggling with jets and needle settings each season change due to temps
and air density. Prop pitch also has a dramatic effect on EGT's especially
when you unload the engine.
Throughout the rev range my EGT's vary pretty widely - WOT my front cylinder
is around 1000 and my rear cylinder is closer to 1100. At cruise both are
even at 1150 at and 3,000 rpm the variance is wider. I'm not overly
concerned as I spend most of the time around the cruise setting.
A consistent difference in EGT's between the 2 cylinders can also be caused
by having set the EGT probes at different depths into the exhaust flow.
I know that it is not unusual for people to compensate for different EGT's
by running different needle settings on each cylinder.
I would be concerned if I was seeing 1275 at any time as this is starting to
get a bit close to meltdown.. and if this change in temps is a new event I
would also be concerned as something has probably changed in the engine?
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: High EGT on a 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Travis.
After you check for instrumentation error, if there's still a problem, you
might try replacing the mid-range jet needle on the "hot" cylinder's carb
with the next richer size. Incidently, the aft cylinder on my 582 gray head
tends to run 50 degrees hotter no matter what I do.
Tc9008@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
When I throttle back to the mid 50's my egt goes to 1250-1275 on one
cylinder but the other is 1150. what should I do first?
Travis
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
registrations.
Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers will
be canceled.
Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Randy I missed something!!! What is incorrect and how do we check ours?
Google N numbers? N541KF Ron NB Or
>From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
>Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:14:37 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
><rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
>their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
>I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
>registrations.
>
>Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
>
>The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers
>will
>be canceled.
>
>Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
It looks like if the FAA tried to send the owner something and it was
returned, the owner was flagged as having an undeliverable address. Just
about all of the entries say "undeliverable triennial." What's a triennial?
N-number renewal?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
registrations.
Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers will
be canceled.
Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
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| Subject: | Re: Is this right? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good morning,
Being an employee of the Government (be real clear - I DON'T work for the
FAA), and also a Child of the 60's (OK - that's a strange combo !) , I know
there are good reasons we should not trust anything.
My plane is not registered yet, but if it were, I would make no assumptions
that the registration had been correctly entered in the FAA's database, I
would check it out - period. A data entry person, a computer programmer,
someone loose in the system who is either stupid, nuts, drunk or crooked
could bite you where the moon don't shine on this one through no fault of
your own. Don't assume the database query works either - seen that before.
Dave
St Paul
On Friday 23 December 2005 10:14 am, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
> their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
> I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
> registrations.
>
> Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
>
> The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers
> will be canceled.
>
> Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Right. Everyone should have recd a card in the mail
concerning ownership confirmation.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>It looks like if the FAA tried to send the owner
something and it was
>returned, the owner was flagged as having an
undeliverable address. Just
>about all of the entries say "undeliverable
triennial." What's a triennial?
>N-number renewal?
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Randy
>Daughenbaugh
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy
Daughenbaugh"
><rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the
incorrect address in
>their registration.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
>I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327
kitfoxes with incorrect
>registrations.
>
>Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes?
Are you on this list?
>
>The FAA says that if the registrations are not
corrected, the N-numbers will
>be canceled.
>
>Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is this right? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
It could be right. go to
http://www.iflyamerica.org/registration_maintenance.asp for a
deffinition of triennial. here's one paragraph from that website page...
For many years we have annually sent more than 6,000 mailings to
aircraft owners whose aircraft had experienced no registration activity
during the previous three years. These mailings are the Triennial
Aircraft Registration Reports of which most of you should be familiar.
They are sent to verify the status of aircraft. The report is
configured, so the aircraft owner can certify that the aircraft is still
properly registered or provide notification of an aircrafts sale,
destruction, or change of address. Among the slightly more than 334,000
registered aircraft, over 30,000 are flagged because the Triennial
report was returned as undeliverable. Surprisingly, more than 8,000 of
these aircraft have been flagged just since the year 2000.
Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg WA
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
>their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
>I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
>registrations.
>
>Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
>
>The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers will
>be canceled.
>
>Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft registration |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good morning,
The following web site of the FAA allows a person to look up a specific N
number (or look up by some other parameter) It should display the aircraft
information and the registered owner information.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Is this right? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
I just looked at the listed Kitfoxes...I must be bored..and decided it
is not 1327 airplanes. I counted 67 airplanes on the 27 pages of
records. I would guess that the term "Record" means something like
spaces or fields on the FAA's report of those 67 planes.
That system does something strange with experimentals too. It lists 946
lancair records, and 3155 Rv's, but only 21 172's and 27 cherokees.
Tom Jones
Tom Jones wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>It could be right. go to
>http://www.iflyamerica.org/registration_maintenance.asp for a
>deffinition of triennial. here's one paragraph from that website page...
>
>For many years we have annually sent more than 6,000 mailings to
>aircraft owners whose aircraft had experienced no registration activity
>during the previous three years. These mailings are the Triennial
>Aircraft Registration Reports of which most of you should be familiar.
>They are sent to verify the status of aircraft. The report is
>configured, so the aircraft owner can certify that the aircraft is still
>properly registered or provide notification of an aircrafts sale,
>destruction, or change of address. Among the slightly more than 334,000
>registered aircraft, over 30,000 are flagged because the Triennial
>report was returned as undeliverable. Surprisingly, more than 8,000 of
>these aircraft have been flagged just since the year 2000.
>
>Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg WA
>
>Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>
>>
>>I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the incorrect address in
>>their registration. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
>>I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327 kitfoxes with incorrect
>>registrations.
>>
>>Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes? Are you on this list?
>>
>>The FAA says that if the registrations are not corrected, the N-numbers will
>>be canceled.
>>
>>Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Brake Pedal adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am refurbishing a model 2. One question I have been meaning to ask is
>about the adjustment of the brake pedals. Although I have not flown it, I
>have taxied it a bit and find that actuating the rudders without dragging a
>little brake requires me to bend my foot backwards, if you can picture it.
>To me, common sense would have these adjusted a little more forward so that
>the toe of my foot was not working the brake in a relaxed position. I have
>not seen any guidance on the proper adjustment of these, maybe there is
>some reason that I am not aware of that I should leave them as they are.
>Any thoughts?
>
>
>Jeff
Hi ! Jeff,
interesting you should make this comment and a number agree
with you. I have a MKIV but both my mate that flies with me and myself had
the same problem. What I did was to cut a 3" length of 5/8" rubber heater
hose and place it over the horizontal bar where your foot rests on the
rudder. This is just the right amount, looks and feels good. You certainly
don't want to inadvertently touch the brake on take-off or roll out. Have a
good Christmas everyone !
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | EGT high on one cylinder on part throttle. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
When I throttle back to the mid 50's my egt goes to 1250-1275 on one
cylinder but the other is 1150. what should I do first?
Travis
Hi ! Travis,
I can't gaurantee from here this is the right answer but
there is a good chance it is the case. First it appears your EGT's are OK on
full throttle but not on part throttle. A lean mixture causes high EGT. At
full throttle the mixture is controlled by the main jet. At part throttle
the mixture is controlled by the needle in the needle jet. The needle is
tapered and the higher the needle is lifted the more fuel gets past ie:-
richer mixture. Therefore lifting the needle one notch on the carby for the
cylinder that gets hot [ 1250-1275 ] should cure your problem. Be aware that
any air leak be it seals or gaskets, rubber carby couplings etc, will lean
the mixture and cause higher temps. However as both your cylinders are OK
and basically equal at full throttle this would not appear to be the cause,
but it is a little strange why you seem to suddenly need to raise one
needle, so just check while you are doing this that things like needle
position fixing is in order and both throttles open together.
Two strokes rely heavilly on rich mixture to cool them at wide open
throttle [ WOT ] by the way. Any way good luck and have a good Christmas.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Pedal adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
you should always leave the needles at the same setting more fuel in one
sylinder is a bad idea un even preshur in the cylinders is bad for the crank
u should hire somewone to look at the moter or call a cervice center mal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, list,
triennial is something that repeats or happens every three years.
Herb Gottelt
Mt. Prospect, IL
flier <FLIER@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
Right. Everyone should have recd a card in the mail
concerning ownership confirmation.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Don Pearsall"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>
>It looks like if the FAA tried to send the owner
something and it was
>returned, the owner was flagged as having an
undeliverable address. Just
>about all of the entries say "undeliverable
triennial." What's a triennial?
>N-number renewal?
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Randy
>Daughenbaugh
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Is this right?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy
Daughenbaugh"
>
>
>I just checked on a FAA website for planes with the
incorrect address in
>their registration.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/defimgUN.asp
>I looked for "Kitfox". It came up with 1327
kitfoxes with incorrect
>registrations.
>
>Can there be this many deadbeats who own kitfoxes?
Are you on this list?
>
>The FAA says that if the registrations are not
corrected, the N-numbers will
>be canceled.
>
>Randy - My registration is correct. (I think!)
>
>
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