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1. 02:47 AM - Kitfox 4473 (Graeme Toft)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Kitfox Mk7 Spinner (W Duke)
3. 05:41 AM - SV: Kitfox 4473 (Michel Verheughe)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Kitfox 4473 (Eric)
5. 06:58 AM - Flap use and VW engines (Paul Seehafer)
6. 07:17 AM - Great Video clip Re: Flap use and VW engines (Harris, Robert)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: VW engines (ron schick)
8. 10:34 AM - Re: Kitfox 4473 (Alan Daniels)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Kitfox 4473 (Graeme Toft)
10. 11:16 AM - Missing Fuel Cap (Steve Zakreski)
11. 11:29 AM - Missing Fuel Cap (Steve Zakreski)
12. 11:51 AM - Re: Missing Fuel Cap (ron schick)
13. 01:20 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/27/05 (EMAproducts@aol.com)
14. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/27/05 (Clifford Begnaud)
15. 04:25 PM - Kitfox IV left flaperon (Eric)
16. 05:49 PM - Re: Missing Fuel Cap (Steve Zakreski)
17. 07:21 PM - Re: VW engines (Paul Seehafer)
18. 07:51 PM - Plastic panel tank (Jim Burke)
19. 08:11 PM - Re: Kitfox IV left flaperon (wingsdown)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
I cant begin to tell you how much both Desma, myself and our families value the
wonderful comments, both on and off the list, from foxers in various parts of
the world. Speaking for myself, I feel privileged to be included in a resource
that has the participation of so many good people. In a world full of bad news
you are all the slender threads that remind us of the importance of being kind
to each other. Michael has asked me to translate the experience into words
which I am happy to do but not quite yet because to be quite honest I still haven't
come to terms with it myself. I can however tell you that Im bloody sore
all over and that Desma has a perfect harness impression on both chest and waist.
4473 is largely in tact but both wings will need rebuilding. Avionics and
instrumentation was all submerged for approx 1 hour as was the engine and NSI
prop which destroyed itself on impact. Thank you all again so much and I will
put something of substance up in the next few days.
Kind regards
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Mk7 Spinner |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I needed a replacement back plate for mine about a year ago and Frank Miller at
the time said they were no longer offering a spinner. (Incidentally mine new
cost $300 uncut and undrilled.) Fortunately, Frank had a used one already drilled
appropriately for my purposes sitting in a corner. I think John McBean
offers a spinner currently at almost 11 inches.
Maxwell
David Steade <steade@btinternet.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Steade"
Hi
I'm Building a Mk7 here in the United Kingdom and now need a spinner to suit the
912S. Does anyone know who supplied Skystar of their aluminium 11" version.
This info would be very helpful now that Skystar are no longer around.
Regards
David Steade
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Graeme Toft [msm@byterocky.net]
> Thank you all again so much and I will put something of substance
> up in the next few days.
Take your time, Graeme. For some, talking about it is good therapy. For others,
it isn't. Yet for some it is good, but only after a while. Follow you hearth,
we are here for you when you are ready.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Graemy,
when I started reading your description of the incident and got to the part
when you first mentioned your passenger, I hesitated before reading on,
fearing the outcome.
I am glad to see the outcome was a happy one. Any landing that you can walk
or swim away from is a good one. Bent steel, torn fabric, wet
instruments.......all irrelevant.
A few years ago I sold a Rans S-12 to a gentleman in Texas. Later I found
out that he had a somewhat similar incident. The outcome was a sad one. Here
is a link if you care to read about it. Don't know that your sister in law
should see it, might disturb her.
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001211X09538&ntsbno=FTW98FA127&akey=1
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4473
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> I cant begin to tell you how much both Desma, myself and our families
> value the wonderful comments, both on and off the list, from foxers in
> various parts of the world. Speaking for myself, I feel privileged to be
> included in a resource that has the participation of so many good people.
> In a world full of bad news you are all the slender threads that remind us
> of the importance of being kind to each other. Michael has asked me to
> translate the experience into words which I am happy to do but not quite
> yet because to be quite honest I still haven't come to terms with it
> myself. I can however tell you that Im bloody sore all over and that Desma
> has a perfect harness impression on both chest and waist. 4473 is largely
> in tact but both wings will need rebuilding. Avionics and instrumentation
> was all submerged for approx 1 hour as was the engine and NSI prop which
> destroyed itself on impact. Thank you all again so much and I will put
> something of substance up in the next few days.
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flap use and VW engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
To use or not to use flapperons has been a pretty lively conversation in the
past. I personally am a proponent of "the more the better, especially for
takeoff" (on model IV and up versions), probably because I fly floats mostly
and need every advantage I can get at times to get it off the water. But
for those that still think our flapperons aren't worth using, check out the
use of flapperons in this video
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=124. Pretty impressive (I'm
thinking I need to find a way to increase my flap throw right now)
Granted, I doubt the subject aircraft is using a Kitfox wing, but it sure
does have flapperons.
Note also the engine on the subject aircraft. Appears to be a VW. I've
always thought a VW engine would be a good engine for STOL type aircraft if
they would just slow the prop down with a reduction unit. Well, it looks
like this aircraft has a belt drive prop reduction with a VW engine. See
what it does for yourself.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
ps - there are more new videos on the site as well. Check them out.
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| Subject: | Flap use and VW engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
That's a great video clip. I just watched it a dozen times in a row. Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap use and VW engines
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
To use or not to use flapperons has been a pretty lively conversation in the
past. I personally am a proponent of "the more the better, especially for
takeoff" (on model IV and up versions), probably because I fly floats mostly
and need every advantage I can get at times to get it off the water. But
for those that still think our flapperons aren't worth using, check out the
use of flapperons in this video
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=124. Pretty impressive (I'm
thinking I need to find a way to increase my flap throw right now)
Granted, I doubt the subject aircraft is using a Kitfox wing, but it sure
does have flapperons.
Note also the engine on the subject aircraft. Appears to be a VW. I've
always thought a VW engine would be a good engine for STOL type aircraft if
they would just slow the prop down with a reduction unit. Well, it looks
like this aircraft has a belt drive prop reduction with a VW engine. See
what it does for yourself.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
ps - there are more new videos on the site as well. Check them out.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Paul N541KF my speedster is almost done and has the same valley engineering
redrive. (Great Plains)
I Hope to have Numbers this summer. Currently bolted to a 1915cc and
electric Ivo, but have a 2332cc on my sandrail that might be fun. Ron NB Or
N117Af N541KF
>From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap use and VW engines
>Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:58:00 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
>To use or not to use flapperons has been a pretty lively conversation in
>the
>past. I personally am a proponent of "the more the better, especially for
>takeoff" (on model IV and up versions), probably because I fly floats
>mostly
>and need every advantage I can get at times to get it off the water. But
>for those that still think our flapperons aren't worth using, check out the
>use of flapperons in this video
>http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=124. Pretty impressive (I'm
>thinking I need to find a way to increase my flap throw right now)
>Granted, I doubt the subject aircraft is using a Kitfox wing, but it sure
>does have flapperons.
>
>Note also the engine on the subject aircraft. Appears to be a VW. I've
>always thought a VW engine would be a good engine for STOL type aircraft if
>they would just slow the prop down with a reduction unit. Well, it looks
>like this aircraft has a belt drive prop reduction with a VW engine. See
>what it does for yourself.
>
>Paul Seehafer
>Central Wisconsin
>
>ps - there are more new videos on the site as well. Check them out.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alan Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
To save the radios.
First take the top and bottom off and shake out the excess water. Next
pour alcohol over the top and bottom and shake off the excess, do this
about three times. Set it were there is air blowing over it like over a
heater duct of in front of a fan. Don't try it for at least three
days.This works with most electronics and will almost always save an
aircraft radio.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> I cant begin to tell you how much both Desma, myself and our families
> value the wonderful comments, both on and off the list, from foxers in
> various parts of the world. Speaking for myself, I feel privileged to be
> included in a resource that has the participation of so many good
> people. In a world full of bad news you are all the slender threads that
> remind us of the importance of being kind to each other. Michael has
> asked me to translate the experience into words which I am happy to do
> but not quite yet because to be quite honest I still haven't come to
> terms with it myself. I can however tell you that Im bloody sore all
> over and that Desma has a perfect harness impression on both chest and
> waist. 4473 is largely in tact but both wings will need rebuilding.
> Avionics and instrumentation was all submerged for approx 1 hour as was
> the engine and NSI prop which destroyed itself on impact. Thank you all
> again so much and I will put something of substance up in the next few
> days.
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Alan, that exactly the type of information that I need right now. I
have stipped the radio and washed it in fresh water and soaked it in INOX
but I will wash the INOX off and use your method first thing this morning.
Thanks
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4473
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alan Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>
> To save the radios.
> First take the top and bottom off and shake out the excess water. Next
> pour alcohol over the top and bottom and shake off the excess, do this
> about three times. Set it were there is air blowing over it like over a
> heater duct of in front of a fan. Don't try it for at least three
> days.This works with most electronics and will almost always save an
> aircraft radio.
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>
>> I cant begin to tell you how much both Desma, myself and our families
>> value the wonderful comments, both on and off the list, from foxers in
>> various parts of the world. Speaking for myself, I feel privileged to be
>> included in a resource that has the participation of so many good
>> people. In a world full of bad news you are all the slender threads that
>> remind us of the importance of being kind to each other. Michael has
>> asked me to translate the experience into words which I am happy to do
>> but not quite yet because to be quite honest I still haven't come to
>> terms with it myself. I can however tell you that Im bloody sore all
>> over and that Desma has a perfect harness impression on both chest and
>> waist. 4473 is largely in tact but both wings will need rebuilding.
>> Avionics and instrumentation was all submerged for approx 1 hour as was
>> the engine and NSI prop which destroyed itself on impact. Thank you all
>> again so much and I will put something of substance up in the next few
>> days.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Graeme Toft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Missing Fuel Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Regarding the recent threads about missing fuel caps, it was a few similar
events posted on the list while I was building that prompted me to install
the low fuel sensor in the header tank. That sensor provides protection
from many modes of failure, including:
- missing or leaking fuel cap
- fuel cap installed backwards
- plugged fuel strainer
- plugged fuel filter
- running out of fuel
- pinched fuel line
- air locked fuel line
- Kreem peeling from the tanks
- probably a few I can't think of right now.
We have had posts about kitfoxes coming down due to every one of these
reasons at one time or another. For about $150 and a day's work, I can't
think of a cheaper and more effective safety item.
These accidents are happening to people on this list that appear to me by
their posts to be at least as smart and cautious as me if not more so. So
it can happen to any of us.
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/NSI/CAP
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| Subject: | Missing Fuel Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Oops...I think you know what I was trying to say. ;-)
"These accidents are happening to people on this list that appear to me by
their posts to be at least as smart and cautious as me if not more so. So
it can happen to any of us."
SteveZ
Calgary
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| Subject: | Missing Fuel Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Steve It's not the size of the post. Ron NB Or
do not archive
>From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Missing Fuel Cap
>Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:26:48 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>Oops...I think you know what I was trying to say. ;-)
>
>"These accidents are happening to people on this list that appear to me by
>their posts to be at least as smart and cautious as me if not more so. So
>it can happen to any of us."
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/27/05 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Kitfoxers
As everyone who was at OSH in '05 knows Monday night we had a big blow.
Unfortunately, my album of photos was nearly totally destroyed by moisture when
our tents blew down. Many of the photographs were originals and sadly I had
no duplicates. Between this and a computer hard drive failure I have lost a
large number of photos from my customers.
I am unable to contact many due to e-mail address changes, moving etc. If
you have the RiteAngle installed on your aircraft please send me either via
e-mail or postal a copy if you would. I lost many photos going back over 10
years from our R&D days. Thanks in advance!
Sincerely,
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
360-260-0772
_www.riteangle.com_ (http://www.riteangle.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/27/05 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Elbie,
There are services that can recover data off of your failed hard drive. Just
google "hard drive recovery".
Cliff
do not archive
Kitfoxers
As everyone who was at OSH in '05 knows Monday night we had a big blow.
Unfortunately, my album of photos was nearly totally destroyed by moisture
when
our tents blew down. Many of the photographs were originals and sadly I
had
no duplicates. Between this and a computer hard drive failure I have lost
a
large number of photos from my customers.
I am unable to contact many due to e-mail address changes, moving etc. If
you have the RiteAngle installed on your aircraft please send me either via
e-mail or postal a copy if you would. I lost many photos going back over
10
years from our R&D days. Thanks in advance!
Sincerely,
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
360-260-0772
_www.riteangle.com_ (http://www.riteangle.com/)
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV left flaperon |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Hi Folks,
I am looking for a Kitfox IV left flaperon.
Eric
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| Subject: | Missing Fuel Cap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Missing Fuel Cap
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Steve It's not the size of the post. Ron NB Or
do not archive
>From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Missing Fuel Cap
>Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:26:48 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>Oops...I think you know what I was trying to say. ;-)
>
>"These accidents are happening to people on this list that appear to me by
>their posts to be at least as smart and cautious as me if not more so. So
>it can happen to any of us."
>
>SteveZ
>Calgary
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Ron,
Your results should be very interesting. Keep us all posted.
Paul S
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Paul N541KF my speedster is almost done and has the same valley
> engineering
> redrive. (Great Plains)
> I Hope to have Numbers this summer. Currently bolted to a 1915cc and
> electric Ivo, but have a 2332cc on my sandrail that might be fun. Ron NB
> Or
> N117Af N541KF
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| Subject: | Plastic panel tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I'm in need of a plastic behind the seat panel tank. If someone has one for
sale I would be interested in buying it.
Thanks, Jim N94JE
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV left flaperon |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Is a model 5 the same, if so I have one, well actually two.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV left flaperon
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Hi Folks,
I am looking for a Kitfox IV left flaperon.
Eric
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