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1. 04:19 AM - Re: Damage to 4473 (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER (W Duke)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Sportflight.com Photo Files (Ben Baltrusaitis)
4. 07:18 AM - 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (scooby harrington)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (Howard Firm)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (kitfoxpilot)
7. 08:47 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (Vic Baker)
9. 09:16 AM - Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER (jboatm16)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: KF2 Geo conversion request (kitfoxjunky)
11. 10:13 AM - Re: KF2 Geo conversion request (Bradley M Webb)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (scooby harrington)
13. 10:43 AM - Re: Damage to 4473 (jdmcbean)
14. 11:42 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (D& D Syverson)
15. 11:42 AM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (D& D Syverson)
16. 12:02 PM - Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option (jdmcbean)
17. 06:06 PM - Float installation (Kevin Cozik)
18. 07:29 PM - Re: Float installation (Paul Seehafer)
19. 07:50 PM - Kitfox History, Service letters & Service Bulletins (jdmcbean)
20. 11:04 PM - Re: Damage to 4473 (Graeme Toft)
21. 11:12 PM - Re: Damage to 4473 (Graeme Toft)
22. 11:51 PM - Re: Damage to 4473 (jdmcbean)
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| Subject: | Re: Damage to 4473 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
In a message dated 12/30/2005 1:09:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
msm@byterocky.net writes:
Graeme,
I'm glad to hear your aircraft has faired so well, as apparently you have
to.
You asked about rib repairs and as far as I remember, many repairs are
allowed for certified aircraft so by extension, I think repairs to Kitfox ribs
should be okay. I believe FAA Advisory Circular (AC), 43.15 Aircraft Repair and
Alteration (I may have the number wrong, but if you search the FAA web site,
the correct AC will be obvious.) should help in identifying and explaining
what, where, and how these repairs should be accomplished. Just be sure to
examine each rib very carefully to be sure there is no 'hidden' damage.
Sometimes the obvious damage makes us complacent to doing an extensive review
of
each part.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Regards,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I am in Dublin, GA if that is close enough for you.
Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240
jboatm16 <jboatm16@netzero.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16"
Hello my name is Kem Dunnebacke iam living in new bern nc looking to get a
little air time as iam getting ready to test fly my new kitfox.I would be
glad to drive,pay fuel ,work, to get a little air time in the same type
plane befor test flights.i should be ready no later then early spring
perhaps befor if weather and all permits.my last build was a rv4 needed to
get married, a home all the life stuff,but now i live .2mls from EWN so the
folding wing beats the rent!thanks have a good new yr. 252-638-5828
c252-229-8200
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| Subject: | Re: Sportflight.com Photo Files |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Don,
Here is an archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050301153050/www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?actionmain
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Pearsall
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:37 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight.com Photo Files
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sorry about the problem with Sportflight photos. The database got corrupted
and the web hosts say they don't have a backup for it. So I will be trying
to fix the problem in the next few days. Stay tuned.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight.com Photo Files
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I just checked it and you are right. Can't view
files. Someone must be off for the holidays?
Kurt S.
--- David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com> wrote:
> For the past few days I have tried to access the
> photo files at
> Sportflight.com. I get an "Internal Server Error".
> Is anyone else getting this message or is it just
me?
>
> C. David Estapa
> Woodstock, GA
> S5TD N97DE
__________________________________
http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
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| Subject: | 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
are for????
Thanks,
Scooby
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| Subject: | Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Those same stringers go along the sides of the fuselage...have you put those
on?
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
> <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
> The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
> and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
> any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
> what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
> wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
> are for????
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scooby
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" <kitfoxpilot@comcast.net>
Hi Scooby,
do you have the bottom false rib option for the lower surface of the wings?
On my series 7 there are two 14 foot bottom stringers (P/N 24011.000) and a
set of bottom false ribs (P/N 24022.000).
Scott Miller
Kitfox Sport (S7)
Seattle, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
<scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
> The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
> and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
> any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
> what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
> wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
> are for????
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scooby
>
>
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| Subject: | 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Scooby,
They aren't for the sides of the fuselage are they? I haven't dug out the
instructions to research it, so I could easily be wrong.
There is also one on the bottom of the fuselage.
??
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scooby
harrington
Subject: Kitfox-List: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
<scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
are for????
Thanks,
Scooby
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| Subject: | Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Scooby,
Stringers are used for the upper and lower wing false rib option. I
purchased the wing "quick build" option and these stringers along with most
of the false ribs were installed at the factory.
Hope this helps,
Vic Baker
S7 In progress
----- Original Message -----
From: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
<scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
> The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
> and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
> any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
> what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
> wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
> are for????
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scooby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16" <jboatm16@netzero.net>
heyt thanks i lived in ga a couple of yrs ago and was part of ga sport
flyers you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke" <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in Dublin, GA if that is close enough for you.
>
> Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240
>
> jboatm16 <jboatm16@netzero.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16"
>
> Hello my name is Kem Dunnebacke iam living in new bern nc looking to get a
> little air time as iam getting ready to test fly my new kitfox.I would be
> glad to drive,pay fuel ,work, to get a little air time in the same type
> plane befor test flights.i should be ready no later then early spring
> perhaps befor if weather and all permits.my last build was a rv4 needed to
> get married, a home all the life stuff,but now i live .2mls from EWN so
> the
> folding wing beats the rent!thanks have a good new yr. 252-638-5828
> c252-229-8200
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Geo conversion request |
Serialize complete at 12/30/2005 12:35:38 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
A fellow here in Ontario has used a Geo conversion in his Zenith 701 for
years. He is very knowledgeable. His name is Tom Mills. Here is his email
address.
"Millfly" <millfly@sentex.net>
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
"Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/29/2005 11:42 PM
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF2 Geo conversion request
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Does anyone here fly a Geo conversion? I'm looking at them pretty hard,
but
I'd like to talk to someone who could steer me in the right direction for
mounting it to my model 2.
Thanks,
Bradley
KF2 N1836
Middle GA
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| Subject: | KF2 Geo conversion request |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Thanks, Ron.
The gearbox you're referring to is the Suzuki Power Group -2 (SPG2). I like
that one, but it would be too long to fit aesthetically. Sold by Airtrikes,
run by Vissili Tarakanov.
I am planning on the Raven, but alas, I'll have to a)move the distributor to
the other side, or b)go DIS.
Someone once said that airplanes are simply a bunch of compromises flying in
formation.
Since I bought the plane, I've come to the conclusion that the Rotax 582 is
poorly suited to aircraft use. I want reliability (over power), and I've
heard much about the Geo "...just turn the key and fly...". This is what I'm
looking for.
I looked at everything else, and only the Geo conversion fits my airframe
and meets my cost goals. Weight is more than the 582, but less than Subaru.
Fuel injection (TBI or MPFI), four-strokes, Turbo ability in un-modded form,
and readily available parts and props all add up to the winning combo for
me.
My motor should arrive next week, and first on the list is a complete
teardown and re-build. Then I'll start sourcing parts for the conversion. I
plan on documenting everything, and providing that to the web for those that
are interested.
Bradley
KF2 N1836
Middle GA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF2 Geo conversion request
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Go Bradley! I almost went the geo as they have hp to weight, run forever on
no gas, low maintenance, and even less dirty words. There are now gear
redrives available and often advertised on barnstormers or ebayy. There is
some trike maker in canada which uses them I think. I have VW parts and
machine tools or that would have been my choice. Ron NB Or
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: KF2 Geo conversion request
>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:42:48 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
>Does anyone here fly a Geo conversion? I'm looking at them pretty hard, but
>I'd like to talk to someone who could steer me in the right direction for
>mounting it to my model 2.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bradley
>
>KF2 N1836
>
>Middle GA
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
Thanks everybody, I think the mystery is solved. I think what happened is
that
when Skystar added the false ribs to the 'quick build wing' option, they
didnt take
the stringers off the partslist so I got the stringers pre-built into the
wing and
duplicate stringers in addition. My fuselage does have the wood stringer
along the
bottom and the aluminum tubing stringer rugging down each side so its not
for that purpose.
Thanks again,
Scooby
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Scooby,
Stringers are used for the upper and lower wing false rib option. I
purchased the wing "quick build" option and these stringers along with most
of the false ribs were installed at the factory.
Hope this helps,
Vic Baker
S7 In progress
----- Original Message -----
From: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
Subject: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
<scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
>OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
>covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
>beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
>two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
>The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
>and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
>any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
>what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
>wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
>are for????
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scooby
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Graeme,
Review AC 43.13-1b and 43.13-2a.. Covers a lot of things....
Specifically has a section on splicing...
Have a Safe New Year !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Guys, now that Ive licked my wounds for a few days its time to face
reality and look at the damage objectively. Considering she was rolling
around in the surf for around an hour, 4473 in largely in tact with damage
primarily sustained by the wings. Surprisingly the spares are fine.
Certainly a testament to the strength of these wonderful aircraft. The
airframe is straight and nothing popped. All welds appear to be intact but
without stripping off the cloth and carrying out and NDT its hard to know
exactly. I have had many offers of help with parts and I believe I will be
knocking on Johns door for those hard to get items. Obviously without any
support services here in Oz much will have to be manufactured or purchased
from the USA. I am happy to pay for any parts that may be available and
would appreciate an email from those of you that have spare instruments,
wing ribs or any item that will assist in the rebuild. Both bump cowls have
also been destroyed. One question I do!
have is, is it OK to splice broken ribs? Its just a thought but looking at
them I feel that the breaks are so clean that a splice plate on each side
might be OK.
Cheers and thanks
Graeme
Kitfox 1V 1200 (temporarily suspended from flight).
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| Subject: | Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Scooby,
Jeeze I hate it when I forget to put in those large parts! Either that, or,
Skystar was just trying to test our deductive reasoning skills!
There are three places the stringers go - A) Throught the top of the wing
ribs to support the upper false ribs (one stringer for each wing); B) Through
the bottom of the wing ribs if you got the lower false rib option (one
stringer for each wing - if you got the lower false rib option you should
also have gotten a bunch of lower false ribs which have less of a crown than
the uppers and are longer than the uppers); and C) a single stringer for the
bottom of the fuselage (this one is a different length that the others).
That's a total of either three, or five stringers depending on what you
ordered - they all have the same cross section. They are not for the sides of
the fuselage - that is what the aluminum tubes are for.
A word to the wise - don't always assume Skystar shipped things the way a sane
and reasonable person might expect. I had several interesting muck-ups in my
order. A) Two left wing tips (I finally gave up trying to make two left wings
and went ahead and got a right wing tip!); B) Some incorrect parts which were
cleverly disguised under the correct part number; but, where an obviously
different part was substituted (ostensibly to test my abilities in spatial
orientation); C) A few cases where half as many, one fourth as many; or twice
as many parts were included for a purpose (I counted my fingers and that came
out right - so I figure the parts count must have been wrong) . (And we're
not even talking about the $18,000 worth of parts I am currently purchasing
for a second time!)
If you didn't order the fairing option and didn't get the lower false ribs;
the fact that you have two extra stringers may simply be a muck-up on
Skystars part - you might not be going nuts after all.
If you go over your original order and your inventory checkoff when you got
your kit the situatiion should be apparent.
I have a couple pals back in MN with model 6s; one flying and one being
constructed. They both love 'em.
Happy New Years,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Friday 30 December 2005 9:18 am, scooby harrington wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
> <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
On Friday 30 December 2005 9:18 am, scooby harrington wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
> <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
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| Subject: | Re: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Scooby,
Jeeze I hate it when I forget to put in those large parts! Either that, or,
Skystar was just trying to test our deductive reasoning skills!
There are three places the stringers go - A) Throught the top of the wing
ribs to support the upper false ribs (one stringer for each wing); B) Through
the bottom of the wing ribs if you got the lower false rib option (one
stringer for each wing - if you got the lower false rib option you should
also have gotten a bunch of lower false ribs which have less of a crown than
the uppers and are longer than the uppers); and C) a single stringer for the
bottom of the fuselage (this one is a different length that the others).
That's a total of either three, or five stringers depending on what you
ordered - they all have the same cross section. They are not for the sides of
the fuselage - that is what the aluminum tubes are for.
A word to the wise - don't always assume Skystar shipped things the way a sane
and reasonable person might expect. I had several interesting muck-ups in my
order. A) Two left wing tips (I finally gave up trying to make two left wings
and went ahead and got a right wing tip!); B) Some incorrect parts which were
cleverly disguised under the correct part number; but, where an obviously
different part was substituted (ostensibly to test my abilities in spatial
orientation); C) A few cases where half as many, one fourth as many; or twice
as many parts were included for a purpose (I counted my fingers and that came
out right - so I figure the parts count must have been wrong) . (And we're
not even talking about the $18,000 worth of parts I am currently purchasing
for a second time!)
If you didn't order the fairing option and didn't get the lower false ribs;
the fact that you have two extra stringers may simply be a muck-up on
Skystars part - you might not be going nuts after all.
If you go over your original order and your inventory checkoff when you got
your kit the situatiion should be apparent.
I have a couple pals back in MN with model 6s; one flying and one being
constructed. They both love 'em.
Happy New Years,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Friday 30 December 2005 9:18 am, scooby harrington wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
> <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
On Friday 30 December 2005 9:18 am, scooby harrington wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
> <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
> covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
> beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
> two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
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| Subject: | 14' wood stringers in fairing package option |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Scooby,
Was wondering how you were getting along.. been awhile. Anyway, the
stringers are for the bottom false rib option which I believe you had
installed with the quick build wings.... You received the stringers
anyway... Hope things are going well.
Have a Safe New Year !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of scooby
harrington
Subject: Kitfox-List: 14' wood stringers in fairing package option
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
<scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
OK, this is somewhat disconcerting. I'm almost ready to start
covering my Series 6 and I'm making a checklist of things to do
beforehand and going thru the manual again when I come upon
two 14' wood stringers - kind of large parts to have forgotten.
The sticker claims that they are for the "fairing package option"
and the partslist bears this out but for the life of me I cant find
any reference in the manual to these 24011.000 stringers and
what to do with them. They are identical to the stringers in the
wings - 3/8" by 5/8" with a rounded top. Any idea what they
are for????
Thanks,
Scooby
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| Subject: | Float installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kevin Cozik" <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
Hello everyone
I'm just getting ready to start my float installation on a series 6. John Mcbean
has been very helpful with misc. drawings and such for general float installation
but I have nothing specific for czech amphibs on a 5, 6,7 kitfox. What
I'm looking for is the rules of thumb concerning step location relative to the
center of gravity, float angle relative to the wing and so on. I'm also looing
for other sources of float strut material.
This list has had answers for everything else over the past couple years, I
hope you can help solve this one too. (and maybe someday I'll be a helper too!)
Happy New Year
Kevin Cozik (Michigan)
Series 6-7 914 turbo czech amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: Float installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hey Kevin, looks like the new fox is moving right along. Should be a
screamer for an amphib! Maybe we will see it at the seaplane base at
oshkosh this year? (hint hint...)
Here's something out of my files that might help you. I have some more info
I will forward separately once I lay my hands on it that I received from Jay
Frey (EDO) and Matt Sigfried (Aerocet). But essentially the setup should be
similar to your old model IV with the Aerocets. You might also want to talk
to Paul Liedl over in Minnesota as he set up a Model 5 on Murphy amphibs a
few years ago and had to figure it all out on his own. But I think he had
it done right now. His e-mail is liedlp@infi.net
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
Installation
Two critical factors determine float installation: 1) step location in
relation to center of gravity and 2) angle of incidence of float to wing
chord. The builder should consult with the aircraft manufacturer or designer
in this regard.
In the limited experience of the author, the following information is
offered.
Step Location
Direction on float step location in relation to c of g varies in the
reference literature. Some sources indicate the float step should be located
directly under the c of g, others suggest the float step should be some
moderate distance behind the c of g. Two methods for locating the step in
relation to the c of g have been found. One is to locate the step behind the
aircraft c of g a distance equal to 1/3 times the width of the float at the
step (e.g. With an 18" wide float, the step would be located 6" behind the c
of g). The second is locate the step 5 degrees behind the c of g (e.g. The
step should be located on a line 5 degrees aft of a vertical line extending
down from the c of g point on the wing).
The closer the step to the c of g the less stable the float/aircraft,
though the nose of the aircraft can be drawn higher giving better prop
clearance on tractor aircraft. If the c of g is too far forward, the
aircraft tends to plow nose down when power is initially applied and resist
planing.
Angle of incidence and stance
The angle of incidence is the angle of attack of the wing in relation to
the float's longitudinal axis. In the authors limited reading on the
subject, this varies from 3 degrees to approximately 12 degrees. The greater
angle of incidence results in greater parasitic drag from the floats but
faster takeoffs. The aircraft manufacturer may be able to provide some
direction on this subject as well. Floats should be 4 ? to 6 feet apart
depending on wing span.
General
Other elements of float attachment such as determining attachment points
on your aircraft need to be determined by the builder as dictated by the
requirements of the aircraft. Again, consult your aircraft manufacturer in
this regard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cozik" <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Float installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kevin Cozik" <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
>
> Hello everyone
> I'm just getting ready to start my float installation on a series 6. John
> Mcbean has been very helpful with misc. drawings and such for general
> float installation but I have nothing specific for czech amphibs on a 5,
> 6,7 kitfox. What I'm looking for is the rules of thumb concerning step
> location relative to the center of gravity, float angle relative to the
> wing and so on. I'm also looing for other sources of float strut
> material.
> This list has had answers for everything else over the past couple
> years, I hope you can help solve this one too. (and maybe someday I'll be
> a helper too!)
>
> Happy New Year
> Kevin Cozik (Michigan)
> Series 6-7 914 turbo czech amphibs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox History, Service letters & Service Bulletins |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Just wanted everyone to know that we have updated our web
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/> and now includes a
brief Kitfox history and the Kitfox Service Bulletins and Letters.
As always.. we are adding items all the time.. and of course, if you dont
see it give a shout we probably have it.. or know where to get it.
Hope everyone has a Safe and Wonderful New Year !!! Its going to be a
great one !
Have a Safe New Year !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Damage to 4473 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks John but in Oz we are governed by a different set of rules to
yourselves. Recreational Aviation Australia provides blanket regulations for
both ultralight and the light sports category. My aircraft was registered in
the 19 cat which means it is experimental and can be worked on by the owner
and to a non specific set of standards. The only condition is that as the
build or in this case repair is being undertaken, a licensed aircraft
maintenance engineer (LAME) provides guidance and approves the method of
work on a periodic basis. It really is at the end of the day at the
discretion of the owner as to how the work is undertaken. Its a blessing in
disguise and provides an enormous amount of flexibility. Im not sure about
the sections of your regulation that you refer to but it appears by your
email that splicing is acceptable in certain cases. Is that a correct
assumption? Thanks John.
regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Graeme,
> Review AC 43.13-1b and 43.13-2a.. Covers a lot of things....
> Specifically has a section on splicing...
>
> Have a Safe New Year !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi Guys, now that Ive licked my wounds for a few days its time to face
> reality and look at the damage objectively. Considering she was rolling
> around in the surf for around an hour, 4473 in largely in tact with damage
> primarily sustained by the wings. Surprisingly the spares are fine.
> Certainly a testament to the strength of these wonderful aircraft. The
> airframe is straight and nothing popped. All welds appear to be intact but
> without stripping off the cloth and carrying out and NDT its hard to know
> exactly. I have had many offers of help with parts and I believe I will be
> knocking on Johns door for those hard to get items. Obviously without any
> support services here in Oz much will have to be manufactured or purchased
> from the USA. I am happy to pay for any parts that may be available and
> would appreciate an email from those of you that have spare instruments,
> wing ribs or any item that will assist in the rebuild. Both bump cowls
> have
> also been destroyed. One question I do!
> have is, is it OK to splice broken ribs? Its just a thought but looking
> at
> them I feel that the breaks are so clean that a splice plate on each side
> might be OK.
>
> Cheers and thanks
> Graeme
> Kitfox 1V 1200 (temporarily suspended from flight).
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Damage to 4473 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Rick, I'll do a search of the FAA website as you suggest. John Mc has
also suggested similar advice.
Thanks
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mdkitfox@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2005 1:09:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> msm@byterocky.net writes:
>
> Graeme,
>
>
> I'm glad to hear your aircraft has faired so well, as apparently you have
> to.
>
> You asked about rib repairs and as far as I remember, many repairs are
> allowed for certified aircraft so by extension, I think repairs to Kitfox
> ribs
> should be okay. I believe FAA Advisory Circular (AC), 43.15 Aircraft
> Repair and
> Alteration (I may have the number wrong, but if you search the FAA web
> site,
> the correct AC will be obvious.) should help in identifying and
> explaining
> what, where, and how these repairs should be accomplished. Just be sure
> to
> examine each rib very carefully to be sure there is no 'hidden' damage.
> Sometimes the obvious damage makes us complacent to doing an extensive
> review of
> each part.
>
> Keep us posted on your progress.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Weiss
> Series V Speedster N39RW, 912S
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
That is a correct assumption.. BUT.. AC 43.13 will show how the splice is to
be done to be "In Accordance With" (IAC) or "as Acceptable by the
Administrator" to be approved for airworthiness.. I realize that you fall
under another set of rules but the guidelines in AC 43.13 will show an
"Approved" method for the repair. Which is another way of saying.. It's a
good guideline to start with....
Have a Safe New Year !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks John but in Oz we are governed by a different set of rules to
yourselves. Recreational Aviation Australia provides blanket regulations for
both ultralight and the light sports category. My aircraft was registered in
the 19 cat which means it is experimental and can be worked on by the owner
and to a non specific set of standards. The only condition is that as the
build or in this case repair is being undertaken, a licensed aircraft
maintenance engineer (LAME) provides guidance and approves the method of
work on a periodic basis. It really is at the end of the day at the
discretion of the owner as to how the work is undertaken. Its a blessing in
disguise and provides an enormous amount of flexibility. Im not sure about
the sections of your regulation that you refer to but it appears by your
email that splicing is acceptable in certain cases. Is that a correct
assumption? Thanks John.
regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Graeme,
> Review AC 43.13-1b and 43.13-2a.. Covers a lot of things....
> Specifically has a section on splicing...
>
> Have a Safe New Year !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Damage to 4473
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi Guys, now that Ive licked my wounds for a few days its time to face
> reality and look at the damage objectively. Considering she was rolling
> around in the surf for around an hour, 4473 in largely in tact with damage
> primarily sustained by the wings. Surprisingly the spares are fine.
> Certainly a testament to the strength of these wonderful aircraft. The
> airframe is straight and nothing popped. All welds appear to be intact but
> without stripping off the cloth and carrying out and NDT its hard to know
> exactly. I have had many offers of help with parts and I believe I will be
> knocking on Johns door for those hard to get items. Obviously without any
> support services here in Oz much will have to be manufactured or purchased
> from the USA. I am happy to pay for any parts that may be available and
> would appreciate an email from those of you that have spare instruments,
> wing ribs or any item that will assist in the rebuild. Both bump cowls
> have
> also been destroyed. One question I do!
> have is, is it OK to splice broken ribs? Its just a thought but looking
> at
> them I feel that the breaks are so clean that a splice plate on each side
> might be OK.
>
> Cheers and thanks
> Graeme
> Kitfox 1V 1200 (temporarily suspended from flight).
>
>
> --
>
>
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