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1. 03:52 AM - Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 (michael burkhardt)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 (Lowell Fitt)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Tinne maha)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Elevator Trim systems (Joel Mapes)
5. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Paul)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 (Jim Gilliatt)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Clifford Begnaud)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Algate)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: NSI CAP Control Unit Circuits (Steve Zakreski)
10. 09:48 AM - Re: Elevator Trim systems (kurt schrader)
11. 11:23 AM - Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER (W Duke)
12. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Fox5flyer)
13. 01:34 PM - Re: Elevator Trim systems cables (Cudnohufsky's)
14. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight (Cudnohufsky's)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 (Rueb, Duane)
16. 04:03 PM - M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts (Donald STEVENSON)
17. 04:20 PM - kitfox 5 for sale on barnstormers (Fox5flyer)
18. 05:51 PM - Fw: Rotax 912 Ignition (Kirk Martenson)
19. 06:02 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts (flier)
20. 06:25 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts (Clint Bazzill)
21. 06:30 PM - wheel pants (Gerald Jantzi)
22. 06:54 PM - Re: wheel pants (wingsdown)
23. 07:00 PM - All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Matt Dralle)
24. 10:49 PM - Re: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts (RAY Gignac)
25. 10:50 PM - Re: wheel pants (RAY Gignac)
26. 11:51 PM - Re: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Lowell, I am in Valley Springs, close to Jackson. Mike
do not archive
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Hi Mike, Where in Central Calif are you? I am in
> Cameron Park, East of
> Sacramento. I have been flying a Model IV since
> 1998. I think there are
> builders in the area, one in Eldorado Hills comes to
> mind. I think he is
> building a Series 5.
>
> There are a number in the area that can be a
> resource for you.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael
> burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello, I am new to the group, will be starting a
> > Kitfox 7 very soon. Any Kitfox builders in the
> central
> > California area? And, what engine does the Kitfox
> > builders recommend for the Kitfox 7? Thanks, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Mike,
Larry Rhoades is in Jackson. He flys a Model IV-1200 with the R-912UL. He
keeps his KF on a trailer at home. He wood be a good one to get together
with as he has a lot of savvy re engines and mechanics. I'm sure he would
like to hear f rom you.
He has been in our cross country group and I have flown on his wing fr many
many hours- 200 or more.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>
> Lowell, I am in Valley Springs, close to Jackson. Mike
> do not archive
> --- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Hi Mike, Where in Central Calif are you? I am in
>> Cameron Park, East of
>> Sacramento. I have been flying a Model IV since
>> 1998. I think there are
>> builders in the area, one in Eldorado Hills comes to
>> mind. I think he is
>> building a Series 5.
>>
>> There are a number in the area that can be a
>> resource for you.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael
>> burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Hello, I am new to the group, will be starting a
>> > Kitfox 7 very soon. Any Kitfox builders in the
>> central
>> > California area? And, what engine does the Kitfox
>> > builders recommend for the Kitfox 7? Thanks, Mike
>> > do not archive
>> >
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>> >
>> > Just $16.99/mo. or less.
>> > dsl.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Thanks for all the replies, listers!
I forgot the mention that my battery & ELT are already as far aft as I can
get them. The battery is relatively light at 12.0 lbs, so I'll probably go
to a heavier battery and/or tailwheel after painting (assuming similar W&B
results). Thanks especially the Cliff for mentioning that your craft is not
powdercoated.........mine is & I can see it was put on heavy in many areas
so I'll attribute at least some of the difference in weight to that. My
second best guess is that my factory quick build wings were also not done
with light weight in mind. Lots of adhesive, it seems to me, & I ordered
all the false ribs too. I am using the Polyfiber finishing system, but,
given the chance to do it again, I would use the Airtech system for the
lighter weight. I hear nothing but good things about that system & every
plane painted with it looks fabulous.
Thanks for helping get over my disappointment. I'm thankful it wasn't any
worse.
One last question: Did you all put varnish or some other kind of sealant on
your wood ribs? I did & am thinking that may also be some of the heavy
weight. Just a thought. Interested in your replies.
Thanks again,
Grant
Time: 11:52:41 AM PST US
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
One of the biggest weight savers on my plane was the use of ASF finish. But
there were lots of little items that all add up. Lightweight alternator off
of a kubota tractor, custom aluminum pulley on alternator, tiny aluminum
skull cap spinner, lightweight starter, 2 electronic ignitions (no mags), no
mechanical fuel pump, minimalist panel, lightweight seat cushions, absence
of fancy interior, lightweight Odyssey battery in the tail, lightweight ELT,
fuselage is painted instead of powdercoated.
There are probably numerous other things that Vic did that I don't know
about.
Don't sweat it, at 914 lbs you still have the "second lightest" kitfox with
an 0-235
;-)
Cliff
Kitfox 5, 870 lbs
Grant, where is the battery located? For the heavy engines, most people put
it in the tail area. I would hate to see you add ballast too. On my KF 5
with Subaru I made a battery box and hung it just forward of the rear
stabilizer.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tinne maha
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Hello List,
Having calculated/estimated weights & CGs for paint & fuselage fabric/paint,
I did a preliminary weight & balance on my Series 5 taildragger w/ Lyc O-235
recently. My thinking was to find the ideal location for the ELT (before
covering the fuselage......everything else is done) so as to avoid carrying
balast. I'm very disappointed in the results.
Having been conscious of the heavy engine for quite a while, I feel like
I've gone to great lengths & expense to reduce weight everywhere, especially
in the nose. Alternator driven off the vacuum pump pad, belt groove removed
from flywheel, shortened prop extension 5/8", one electronic ignition, light
weight fuel & oil lines, copper clad aluminum battery cables & numerous
smaller measures. I was so much looking forward to coming in close to Cliff
Begnaud's/Vic Jackson's 870 lbs empty weight for what I believe to be
virtually the same aircraft. My results (w/ELT in the very back):
Rt Main: 436 lbs
Lt Main: 436 lbs
Tail: 42 lbs
Total: 914 lbs
I realize the airplane will still fly fine, but it will not perform like one
that is 50 lbs lighter. I can only take poor & accusing guesses as to where
the extra weight came from (heavy spring aluminum landing gear?, factory
quick build wings?, powdercoating?, varnish on wood ribs? I've really got
no idea!) Any suggestions? I have the medium weight fabric on the wings &
tail surfaces with one coat of pink on. Fabric on the fuselage as well as
silver & paint everywhere was calculated/estimated & simulated with weights
hanging on strings.
More importantly, any suggestions on what I can do now to further reduce
weight in the nose or add functional weight in the tail? Does anyone know
of a 9 or 10 pound tailwheel? God, I hate to add weight at all, especially
to an already heavy airplane! I have a strong aversion to carrying around
balast just for the sake of balast.
I took the measurements with analog bathroom scales & multiplier
arms.......As they got my body weight correct, I have no reason to believe
the scales are inaccurate. I took the measurements 3 times with small
variations in results.
Any suggestions on how to improve my situation (or why I got into it) will
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim systems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
I have added a photo to the sportflight.com photo share under damage/incidents
of a failed Pittman style electric trim actuator. This failure occurred during
the installation process when I tried to nudge the actuator into position. I
have since obtained a Warner actuator (the type with a reported in-flight failure)
and have added a reinforcing bracket at the failure point. Failure analysis
indicates that a lateral load of only a few degrees can cause either of these
actuators to fail this way. Lesson learned: Make sure things line up before
installing the actuator and remember this isn't plumbing your doing.
Joel
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" <pliedl@earthlink.net>
Hi Grant:
I have never understood some of the extremes that builders have gone to for
the sake of a few lbs. I have a Kitfox V with an IO-240 which weights in
at about 955 lbs. on wheels. I also fly it with a set of amphibious floats.
I had a problem initially with the "most adverse forward CG" being to far
forward and, like you, I was opposed to adding ballast to the tail. What I
did was replace the original tailwheel with a larger Scott tailwheel and
mounted a fire extinguish and emergency survival kit in the rear of the
baggage compartment. These changes brought the CG into an acceptable
range. The fire extinguisher and survival kit are now "required equipment".
I have been flying N444PL for five years now and have never wished that it
was 20 lbs. lighter - what real difference would it make anyway. Stop
fretting over the weight and go out a enjoy your airplane.
Have fun,
Paul Liedl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks for all the replies, listers!
>
> I forgot the mention that my battery & ELT are already as far aft as I can
> get them. The battery is relatively light at 12.0 lbs, so I'll probably
> go
> to a heavier battery and/or tailwheel after painting (assuming similar W&B
> results). Thanks especially the Cliff for mentioning that your craft is
> not
> powdercoated.........mine is & I can see it was put on heavy in many areas
> so I'll attribute at least some of the difference in weight to that. My
> second best guess is that my factory quick build wings were also not done
> with light weight in mind. Lots of adhesive, it seems to me, & I ordered
> all the false ribs too. I am using the Polyfiber finishing system, but,
> given the chance to do it again, I would use the Airtech system for the
> lighter weight. I hear nothing but good things about that system & every
> plane painted with it looks fabulous.
>
> Thanks for helping get over my disappointment. I'm thankful it wasn't any
> worse.
>
> One last question: Did you all put varnish or some other kind of sealant
> on
> your wood ribs? I did & am thinking that may also be some of the heavy
> weight. Just a thought. Interested in your replies.
>
> Thanks again,
> Grant
>
>
> Time: 11:52:41 AM PST US
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> One of the biggest weight savers on my plane was the use of ASF finish.
> But
> there were lots of little items that all add up. Lightweight alternator
> off
> of a kubota tractor, custom aluminum pulley on alternator, tiny aluminum
> skull cap spinner, lightweight starter, 2 electronic ignitions (no mags),
> no
> mechanical fuel pump, minimalist panel, lightweight seat cushions, absence
> of fancy interior, lightweight Odyssey battery in the tail, lightweight
> ELT,
> fuselage is painted instead of powdercoated.
> There are probably numerous other things that Vic did that I don't know
> about.
> Don't sweat it, at 914 lbs you still have the "second lightest" kitfox
> with
> an 0-235
> ;-)
> Cliff
> Kitfox 5, 870 lbs
>
> Grant, where is the battery located? For the heavy engines, most people
> put
> it in the tail area. I would hate to see you add ballast too. On my KF 5
> with Subaru I made a battery box and hung it just forward of the rear
> stabilizer.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tinne maha
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello List,
>
> Having calculated/estimated weights & CGs for paint & fuselage
> fabric/paint,
>
> I did a preliminary weight & balance on my Series 5 taildragger w/ Lyc
> O-235
>
> recently. My thinking was to find the ideal location for the ELT (before
> covering the fuselage......everything else is done) so as to avoid
> carrying
> balast. I'm very disappointed in the results.
>
> Having been conscious of the heavy engine for quite a while, I feel like
> I've gone to great lengths & expense to reduce weight everywhere,
> especially
>
> in the nose. Alternator driven off the vacuum pump pad, belt groove
> removed
>
> from flywheel, shortened prop extension 5/8", one electronic ignition,
> light
>
> weight fuel & oil lines, copper clad aluminum battery cables & numerous
> smaller measures. I was so much looking forward to coming in close to
> Cliff
>
> Begnaud's/Vic Jackson's 870 lbs empty weight for what I believe to be
> virtually the same aircraft. My results (w/ELT in the very back):
>
> Rt Main: 436 lbs
>
> Lt Main: 436 lbs
>
> Tail: 42 lbs
>
> Total: 914 lbs
>
> I realize the airplane will still fly fine, but it will not perform like
> one
>
> that is 50 lbs lighter. I can only take poor & accusing guesses as to
> where
>
> the extra weight came from (heavy spring aluminum landing gear?, factory
> quick build wings?, powdercoating?, varnish on wood ribs? I've really got
> no idea!) Any suggestions? I have the medium weight fabric on the wings
> &
> tail surfaces with one coat of pink on. Fabric on the fuselage as well as
> silver & paint everywhere was calculated/estimated & simulated with
> weights
> hanging on strings.
> More importantly, any suggestions on what I can do now to further reduce
> weight in the nose or add functional weight in the tail? Does anyone know
> of a 9 or 10 pound tailwheel? God, I hate to add weight at all,
> especially
> to an already heavy airplane! I have a strong aversion to carrying around
> balast just for the sake of balast.
>
> I took the measurements with analog bathroom scales & multiplier
> arms.......As they got my body weight correct, I have no reason to believe
> the scales are inaccurate. I took the measurements 3 times with small
> variations in results.
>
> Any suggestions on how to improve my situation (or why I got into it) will
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Kitfox 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>Larry Rhoades is in Jackson. He flys a Model IV-1200 with the R-912UL. He
>keeps his KF on a trailer at home. He wood be a good one to get together
>with as he has a lot of savvy re engines and mechanics. I'm sure he would
>like to hear f rom you.
>
>He has been in our cross country group and I have flown on his wing fr many
>many hours- 200 or more.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Lowell, I am in Valley Springs, close to Jackson. Mike
>>do not archive
>>--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>>><lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>Hi Mike, Where in Central Calif are you? I am in
>>>Cameron Park, East of
>>>Sacramento. I have been flying a Model IV since
>>>1998. I think there are
>>>builders in the area, one in Eldorado Hills comes to
>>>mind. I think he is
>>>building a Series 5.
>>>
>>>There are a number in the area that can be a
>>>resource for you.
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello, I am new to the group, will be starting a
>>>>Kitfox 7 very soon. Any Kitfox builders in the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>central
>>>
>>>
>>>>California area? And, what engine does the Kitfox
>>>>builders recommend for the Kitfox 7? Thanks, Mike
>>>>do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just $16.99/mo. or less.
>>>>dsl.yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>browse
>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>FAQ,
>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>>
>>>Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Just $16.99/mo. or less.
>>dsl.yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi Mike,
I am a Series 7 builder, and if there is one thing that I might add to
all the good advice you will get is this. Don't cover your fuselage
until you have everything in the fuselage that you will need. I'm still
building, and I am having a whale of a time getting stuff into the rear
of the fuselage that I should have put there before I covered it. I got
into a covering mode, and I was enjoying it so much that I was covering
everything in site. It's a wonder my dog didn't get covered. Good
luck, it's a lot of fun.
Jim Gilliatt - RI Series 7 IO240
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
It's true that even a heavy Model 5 can perform well, but there are degrees
of how well it can perform.
If you are not doing hard core bush flying, a little extra weight won't
matter except to reduce your useful load.
But I can tell you from personal experience of owning 2 model 5's that if
you really want extreme short field performance, every extra pound matters.
Just my humble opinion.
Cliff
Hi Grant:
I have never understood some of the extremes that builders have gone to for
the sake of a few lbs. I have a Kitfox V with an IO-240 which weights in
at about 955 lbs. on wheels. I also fly it with a set of amphibious floats.
I had a problem initially with the "most adverse forward CG" being to far
forward and, like you, I was opposed to adding ballast to the tail. What I
did was replace the original tailwheel with a larger Scott tailwheel and
mounted a fire extinguish and emergency survival kit in the rear of the
baggage compartment. These changes brought the CG into an acceptable
range. The fire extinguisher and survival kit are now "required equipment".
I have been flying N444PL for five years now and have never wished that it
was 20 lbs. lighter - what real difference would it make anyway. Stop
fretting over the weight and go out a enjoy your airplane.
Have fun,
Paul Liedl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I agree Cliff - if you are flying out of GA airports it probably doesn't
matter but I do most of my flying out of small lakes and grass strips and I
certainly notice 20+ pounds. I think I read somewhere that each lb equals 4
ft/min?
GaryA
Lite2/582
But I can tell you from personal experience of owning 2 model 5's that if
you really want extreme short field performance, every extra pound matters.
Just my humble opinion.
Cliff
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| Subject: | NSI CAP Control Unit Circuits |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Colin
I have the external wiring diagram. Is that what you want?
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP Control Unit Circuits
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Colin, my control unit filled with water when my airplane sat out in a heavy
thunderstorm. This was before I came up with a good seal and drain trough
for the windshield. The only reason I found that it had water in it was
because the pitch control became erratic. After removal, a good clean with
soap and water, and thoroughly dried, it's worked fine ever since.
I doubt there'll be anything wrong with it once it's cleaned up nicely.
As for schematics, none that I know of outside of the factory. However, if
you find that it isn't working properly you might try Mykal Templeman from
Stratus Subaru. I think he might have access to CAP parts.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP Control Unit Circuits
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am presently looking over the NSI prop control unit out of Graeme Tofts'
> ditched Kitfox. After a thorough cleanup it looks pretty good, especially
> considering that if forgot it was out of an aircraft and tried to be a
> submarine controller for a few hours. There are no fried tracks and
> components, so I am quite hopefull that it can be resurrected.
>
> Before I launch into the unknown, I thought I would ask if anyone on the
> list has a copy of the circuit schematics for this unit, or at least, a
> connection diagram. This will make my job a lot easier, otherwise, I'll
> just have to do it the hard way and trace everything out first.
>
> Any help that you can give will be greatly apreciated.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
> Sydney
> +61-418-677073 (M)
> +61-2-945466162 (F)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim systems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the heads up Joel,
I think you learned this lesson the cheap way, even
though it cost you $, only the actuator broke and not
you and your plane. :-)
I wonder if this lateral loading was the real problem
in previous failures?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Joel Mapes <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have added a photo to the sportflight.com photo
> share under damage/incidents of a failed Pittman
> style electric trim actuator. This failure occurred
> during the installation process when I tried to
> nudge the actuator into position. I have since
> obtained a Warner actuator (the type with a reported
> in-flight failure) and have added a reinforcing
> bracket at the failure point. Failure analysis
> indicates that a lateral load of only a few degrees
> can cause either of these actuators to fail this
> way. Lesson learned: Make sure things line up before
> installing the actuator and remember this isn't
> plumbing your doing.
>
> Joel
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Thanks,
do not archive
Maxwell
jboatm16 <jboatm16@netzero.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16"
Hey Mr Duke, found Dana Simmins email he sould know about the ga sport
pilots dalsimmo@southernco.com hope this leads you there, good bunch of
fellows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NEW BERN N.C. NEW KITFOX IV PLAY SPEEDSTER
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
>
> I am in Dublin, GA if that is close enough for you.
>
> Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240
>
> jboatm16 wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16"
>
> Hello my name is Kem Dunnebacke iam living in new bern nc looking to get a
> little air time as iam getting ready to test fly my new kitfox.I would be
> glad to drive,pay fuel ,work, to get a little air time in the same type
> plane befor test flights.i should be ready no later then early spring
> perhaps befor if weather and all permits.my last build was a rv4 needed to
> get married, a home all the life stuff,but now i live .2mls from EWN so
> the
> folding wing beats the rent!thanks have a good new yr. 252-638-5828
> c252-229-8200
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Grant, being weight concious while building is something I wouldn't argue
with. There are lots of places on my V that I could have done better and if
I could go back I'd probably do it slightly different. However, I wouldn't
recommend NOT varnishing the ribs. I used epoxy varnish and doubt that
there was a pound added to the weight of the aircraft after the outgassing
was finished. Failure to seal them would lead to all sorts of problems, the
most common being warped ribs from absorbing moisture in humid climates.
Deke
...snip...
>
> One last question: Did you all put varnish or some other kind of sealant
on
> your wood ribs? I did & am thinking that may also be some of the heavy
> weight. Just a thought. Interested in your replies.
>
> Thanks again,
> Grant
>
>
> Time: 11:52:41 AM PST US
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> One of the biggest weight savers on my plane was the use of ASF finish.
But
> there were lots of little items that all add up. Lightweight alternator
off
> of a kubota tractor, custom aluminum pulley on alternator, tiny aluminum
> skull cap spinner, lightweight starter, 2 electronic ignitions (no mags),
no
> mechanical fuel pump, minimalist panel, lightweight seat cushions, absence
> of fancy interior, lightweight Odyssey battery in the tail, lightweight
ELT,
> fuselage is painted instead of powdercoated.
> There are probably numerous other things that Vic did that I don't know
> about.
> Don't sweat it, at 914 lbs you still have the "second lightest" kitfox
with
> an 0-235
> ;-)
> Cliff
> Kitfox 5, 870 lbs
>
> Grant, where is the battery located? For the heavy engines, most people
put
> it in the tail area. I would hate to see you add ballast too. On my KF 5
> with Subaru I made a battery box and hung it just forward of the rear
> stabilizer.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tinne maha
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello List,
>
> Having calculated/estimated weights & CGs for paint & fuselage
fabric/paint,
>
> I did a preliminary weight & balance on my Series 5 taildragger w/ Lyc
O-235
>
> recently. My thinking was to find the ideal location for the ELT (before
> covering the fuselage......everything else is done) so as to avoid
carrying
> balast. I'm very disappointed in the results.
>
> Having been conscious of the heavy engine for quite a while, I feel like
> I've gone to great lengths & expense to reduce weight everywhere,
especially
>
> in the nose. Alternator driven off the vacuum pump pad, belt groove
removed
>
> from flywheel, shortened prop extension 5/8", one electronic ignition,
light
>
> weight fuel & oil lines, copper clad aluminum battery cables & numerous
> smaller measures. I was so much looking forward to coming in close to
Cliff
>
> Begnaud's/Vic Jackson's 870 lbs empty weight for what I believe to be
> virtually the same aircraft. My results (w/ELT in the very back):
>
> Rt Main: 436 lbs
>
> Lt Main: 436 lbs
>
> Tail: 42 lbs
>
> Total: 914 lbs
>
> I realize the airplane will still fly fine, but it will not perform like
one
>
> that is 50 lbs lighter. I can only take poor & accusing guesses as to
where
>
> the extra weight came from (heavy spring aluminum landing gear?, factory
> quick build wings?, powdercoating?, varnish on wood ribs? I've really got
> no idea!) Any suggestions? I have the medium weight fabric on the wings
&
> tail surfaces with one coat of pink on. Fabric on the fuselage as well as
> silver & paint everywhere was calculated/estimated & simulated with
weights
> hanging on strings.
> More importantly, any suggestions on what I can do now to further reduce
> weight in the nose or add functional weight in the tail? Does anyone know
> of a 9 or 10 pound tailwheel? God, I hate to add weight at all,
especially
> to an already heavy airplane! I have a strong aversion to carrying around
> balast just for the sake of balast.
>
> I took the measurements with analog bathroom scales & multiplier
> arms.......As they got my body weight correct, I have no reason to believe
> the scales are inaccurate. I took the measurements 3 times with small
> variations in results.
>
> Any suggestions on how to improve my situation (or why I got into it) will
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim systems cables |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Great resource, you got me thinking and looking around, another resource is
boat supply houses for boats throttle and shift cables. They currently have
some nice cables on E-Bay with lengths up to 40'
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Trim systems cables
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> For the control cable look at www.jegs.com They have shifter cables
> which are much better and up to 12 feet long with 3 inch stroke. Look at
> part number 130-80836 That may not be what you want but it will get you
> in the right area. They have all sorts of neat stuff for hot rods and
> race cars that work great for airplanes.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Paul,
Just a question that popped into my head when reading the below, can you
reach your fire extinguisher from the pilots seat without unstrapping?
Heaven forbid anyone would have an in-flight fire, it would be double tragic
to have one and not be able to reach the fire extinguisher, just a thought.
My extinguisher is also mounted in the luggage area but behind the passenger
seat and reachable with my right hand, but then it is not required for
ballast either.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <pliedl@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" <pliedl@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Grant:
> I have never understood some of the extremes that builders have gone to
> for
> the sake of a few lbs. I have a Kitfox V with an IO-240 which weights in
> at about 955 lbs. on wheels. I also fly it with a set of amphibious
> floats.
>
> I had a problem initially with the "most adverse forward CG" being to far
> forward and, like you, I was opposed to adding ballast to the tail. What
> I
> did was replace the original tailwheel with a larger Scott tailwheel and
> mounted a fire extinguish and emergency survival kit in the rear of the
> baggage compartment. These changes brought the CG into an acceptable
> range. The fire extinguisher and survival kit are now "required
> equipment".
>
> I have been flying N444PL for five years now and have never wished that it
> was 20 lbs. lighter - what real difference would it make anyway. Stop
> fretting over the weight and go out a enjoy your airplane.
>
> Have fun,
> Paul Liedl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies, listers!
>>
>> I forgot the mention that my battery & ELT are already as far aft as I
>> can
>> get them. The battery is relatively light at 12.0 lbs, so I'll probably
>> go
>> to a heavier battery and/or tailwheel after painting (assuming similar
>> W&B
>> results). Thanks especially the Cliff for mentioning that your craft is
>> not
>> powdercoated.........mine is & I can see it was put on heavy in many
>> areas
>> so I'll attribute at least some of the difference in weight to that. My
>> second best guess is that my factory quick build wings were also not done
>> with light weight in mind. Lots of adhesive, it seems to me, & I ordered
>> all the false ribs too. I am using the Polyfiber finishing system, but,
>> given the chance to do it again, I would use the Airtech system for the
>> lighter weight. I hear nothing but good things about that system & every
>> plane painted with it looks fabulous.
>>
>> Thanks for helping get over my disappointment. I'm thankful it wasn't
>> any
>> worse.
>>
>> One last question: Did you all put varnish or some other kind of sealant
>> on
>> your wood ribs? I did & am thinking that may also be some of the heavy
>> weight. Just a thought. Interested in your replies.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Grant
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:52:41 AM PST US
>> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
>> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>>
>>
>> One of the biggest weight savers on my plane was the use of ASF finish.
>> But
>> there were lots of little items that all add up. Lightweight alternator
>> off
>> of a kubota tractor, custom aluminum pulley on alternator, tiny aluminum
>> skull cap spinner, lightweight starter, 2 electronic ignitions (no mags),
>> no
>> mechanical fuel pump, minimalist panel, lightweight seat cushions,
>> absence
>> of fancy interior, lightweight Odyssey battery in the tail, lightweight
>> ELT,
>> fuselage is painted instead of powdercoated.
>> There are probably numerous other things that Vic did that I don't know
>> about.
>> Don't sweat it, at 914 lbs you still have the "second lightest" kitfox
>> with
>> an 0-235
>> ;-)
>> Cliff
>> Kitfox 5, 870 lbs
>>
>> Grant, where is the battery located? For the heavy engines, most people
>> put
>> it in the tail area. I would hate to see you add ballast too. On my KF 5
>> with Subaru I made a battery box and hung it just forward of the rear
>> stabilizer.
>>
>> Don Pearsall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tinne maha
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bummin' on Empty Weight
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Having calculated/estimated weights & CGs for paint & fuselage
>> fabric/paint,
>>
>> I did a preliminary weight & balance on my Series 5 taildragger w/ Lyc
>> O-235
>>
>> recently. My thinking was to find the ideal location for the ELT (before
>> covering the fuselage......everything else is done) so as to avoid
>> carrying
>> balast. I'm very disappointed in the results.
>>
>> Having been conscious of the heavy engine for quite a while, I feel like
>> I've gone to great lengths & expense to reduce weight everywhere,
>> especially
>>
>> in the nose. Alternator driven off the vacuum pump pad, belt groove
>> removed
>>
>> from flywheel, shortened prop extension 5/8", one electronic ignition,
>> light
>>
>> weight fuel & oil lines, copper clad aluminum battery cables & numerous
>> smaller measures. I was so much looking forward to coming in close to
>> Cliff
>>
>> Begnaud's/Vic Jackson's 870 lbs empty weight for what I believe to be
>> virtually the same aircraft. My results (w/ELT in the very back):
>>
>> Rt Main: 436 lbs
>>
>> Lt Main: 436 lbs
>>
>> Tail: 42 lbs
>>
>> Total: 914 lbs
>>
>> I realize the airplane will still fly fine, but it will not perform like
>> one
>>
>> that is 50 lbs lighter. I can only take poor & accusing guesses as to
>> where
>>
>> the extra weight came from (heavy spring aluminum landing gear?, factory
>> quick build wings?, powdercoating?, varnish on wood ribs? I've really
>> got
>> no idea!) Any suggestions? I have the medium weight fabric on the wings
>> &
>> tail surfaces with one coat of pink on. Fabric on the fuselage as well
>> as
>> silver & paint everywhere was calculated/estimated & simulated with
>> weights
>> hanging on strings.
>> More importantly, any suggestions on what I can do now to further reduce
>> weight in the nose or add functional weight in the tail? Does anyone
>> know
>> of a 9 or 10 pound tailwheel? God, I hate to add weight at all,
>> especially
>> to an already heavy airplane! I have a strong aversion to carrying
>> around
>> balast just for the sake of balast.
>>
>> I took the measurements with analog bathroom scales & multiplier
>> arms.......As they got my body weight correct, I have no reason to
>> believe
>> the scales are inaccurate. I took the measurements 3 times with small
>> variations in results.
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to improve my situation (or why I got into it)
>> will
>> be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Grant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Builder Kitfox 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Hi, Mike, there is a 7 being built at Lincoln airport by Don Rhyne,
(916) 645-5517. I am not sure if he is a member of this list, but I
know he would be interested in talking to you about your project.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
burkhardt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7(916) 645-5517
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Lowell, I am in Valley Springs, close to Jackson. Mike
do not archive
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi Mike, Where in Central Calif are you? I am in
> Cameron Park, East of
> Sacramento. I have been flying a Model IV since
> 1998. I think there are
> builders in the area, one in Eldorado Hills comes to
> mind. I think he is
> building a Series 5.
>
> There are a number in the area that can be a
> resource for you.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Builder Kitfox 7
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael
> burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello, I am new to the group, will be starting a
> > Kitfox 7 very soon. Any Kitfox builders in the
> central
> > California area? And, what engine does the Kitfox
> > builders recommend for the Kitfox 7? Thanks, Mike
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a model 4 speedster (1992)
and I've seen the odd item stating a failure of the
3/16 threaded stud at the rod end of the horz. stab.
struts. My kit has these 3/16 studs, and I would be
interested in hearing from anyone that is flying with
these or has a fix for them, I understand S.S. had a
retro kit using 1/4 studs, any comments appreciated,
Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200-912
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| Subject: | kitfox 5 for sale on barnstormers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Found on Barnstormers. Pricewise, this is a steal if you're looking. No, it's
not mine and I don't know any more than what you see below.
Deke
KITFOX SERIES 5 SPEEDSTER READY 2 COVER FWF LYC235 . $18,000 . AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE
SALE . 1200HR APTIME+$38K INVESTED FWF4 LYC235,INSTRUMENTS&COVERG+MORE
INCLd . Contact Phil J. Cowley - COWLEY ENGINEERING located Santa Cruz, CA USA
. Telephone: 8315887596 . Posted January 3, 2006 . Show all Ads posted by this
Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Send a Message
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| Subject: | Fw: Rotax 912 Ignition |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
I forgot to ask the question....does anybody have any ideas for this problem?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Martenson
Subject: Rotax 912 Ignition
I have an ignition problem with my Rotax 912 UL. I saw an old post of a gentleman
with a Rotax 912 that had a mag drop out of spec on one side. I can't remember
what the fix was.
The 2004 post said that the coil was changed and one of the ignition modules. I
had heard that the ignition modules either work or they do not. No intermittent
operation. Is that true? Or are there some people that have experienced a partially
working ignition module (i.e. a significant drop in rpm during a mag
check).
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV 912
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| Subject: | M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Flown now for 10 yrs with 3/16" ends and so have most of my friends.
No plans to replace them.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Subject: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a model 4 speedster (1992)
and I've seen the odd item stating a failure of the
3/16 threaded stud at the rod end of the horz. stab.
struts. My kit has these 3/16 studs, and I would be
interested in hearing from anyone that is flying with
these or has a fix for them, I understand S.S. had a
retro kit using 1/4 studs, any comments appreciated,
Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200-912
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| Subject: | M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I have a Model IV-1200 with 1100 hours, same rod ends no problems. I think
the people that had the problems were the 2 cycle engines and the vibrations
they cause. Clint
From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Flown now for 10 yrs with 3/16" ends and so have most of my friends.
No plans to replace them.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Subject: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a model 4 speedster (1992)
and I've seen the odd item stating a failure of the
3/16 threaded stud at the rod end of the horz. stab.
struts. My kit has these 3/16 studs, and I would be
interested in hearing from anyone that is flying with
these or has a fix for them, I understand S.S. had a
retro kit using 1/4 studs, any comments appreciated,
Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200-912
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerald Jantzi <gvjantzi@yahoo.com>
has somebody got Manuel's for installing wheel pants on alum.landing gear for kit
fox 5?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Yes. Where are you located?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
Jantzi
Subject: Kitfox-List: wheel pants
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerald Jantzi <gvjantzi@yahoo.com>
has somebody got Manuel's for installing wheel pants on alum.landing
gear for kit fox 5?
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| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Before Skystar went under, I spoke with the fellas there about the rod ends, they
told me that most of the problems happened because folks would lift the sabilizer
to move the fox around, not a good idea. I have not had any problems with
mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: flier<mailto:flier@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net<mailto:flier@sbcglobal.net>>
Flown now for 10 yrs with 3/16" ends and so have most of my friends.
No plans to replace them.
Regards,
Teds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: M4/1200 Speedster Horz. Stab. Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com<mailto:shericom@rogers.com>>
Hi everyone, I'm building a model 4 speedster (1992)
and I've seen the odd item stating a failure of the
3/16 threaded stud at the rod end of the horz. stab.
struts. My kit has these 3/16 studs, and I would be
interested in hearing from anyone that is flying with
these or has a fix for them, I understand S.S. had a
retro kit using 1/4 studs, any comments appreciated,
Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200-912
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I have them for the IV
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Jantzi<mailto:gvjantzi@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wheel pants
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerald Jantzi <gvjantzi@yahoo.com<mailto:gvjantzi@yahoo.com>>
has somebody got Manuel's for installing wheel pants on alum.landing gear for
kit fox 5?
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| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Very cool Matt! You should be proud of that. I checked it out and it is
great. Thank you for installing the BBS.
You can have a profile, send private messages to members search for messages
etc. I encourage all to sign up and post your location. That way if another
member is looking for someone near him to help out with a problem or even
just ask for a KF ride, it will be easy to locate them.
Everyone should sign up
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kitfox-List: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available
for all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system
that allows for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the
existing email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at
the most basic level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in
the traditional way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed
to everyone currently subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if
you are on the BBS and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message
will not only show up on the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the
Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its
operation. All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List
Search Engine and List Browse and Download will still be available and
contain all of the latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just
another method of accessing the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do
anything except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and
look at all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message
or reply to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on
the BBS. This is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of
minutes. There is a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS
page labeled "Register" to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are
subscribed to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while
not an absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would
use their full name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example
"Matt Dralle"). This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's
posting. Also, I have enabled the ability to upload a small user picture
with your profile called an "avatar". Please use a *real* picture of
yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank you! Maximum size of the bitmap is
120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or
both. Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the
various Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be
*subscribed* to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here
in operation. I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email
List subscription page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already
loaded up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other
documents directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List
Email distributions. Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed
in the List Email distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of
the message pointing back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new
Matronics Email List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be
the dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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