Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:29 AM - Re: Flying Kitfoxes (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Static electricity (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: Static electricity (Brett Walmsley)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: New feature for the Kitfox Pin Map (Clifford Begnaud)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: New feature for the Kitfox Pin Map (Ben Baltrusaitis)
6. 06:23 AM - Kitfox Builder - Milton Merideth of Ogden Utah (harry tucker)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: Static electricity (Ceashman@aol.com)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging (Al Thomason)
9. 11:07 AM - test (mscotter)
10. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging (Ted Palamarek)
11. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging (Al Thomason)
12. 07:06 PM - gutless (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Kitfoxes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:42 PM, D& D Syverson wrote:
> It's not the destination, It's the journey...
Well said, Dave. Mind you, I see the same in the yachting world. A
friend of mine had a sailboat and I asked once if we should sail
together to Denmark. It's so far away, it would take a long time, he
answered. Not if you start early in the morning and sail to sunset, I
said. What? I don't get up early when I am on holiday! was his final
objection.
... Well, I love to get up early and come to the yacht harbour or
airfield at dawn, there is something magical about it.
My friend now has a speed boat that does 40 knots. He can come in the
Norwegian archipelago in ... five or ten minutes. Then he can stop
there and ... wait for the evening.
I sailed alone from Norway to Spain, and back. I had a great time. Last
summer, I flew my Kitfox from Norway to Belgium and back and had a
terrific time. Each time I landed, I felt sorry that, that leg had
already come to an end. There is nothing like being up there, why make
it short?
Cheers,
Michel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Static electricity |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Scary tale, Brett! When I was working on my IV, I felt the static when
wiping down the wing with a tack rag, so I ended up attaching a braided
copper ground strap to the spars, and letting it dangle on the
wetted-down shop floor. I also used a braided copper strap (1/4" wide)
stuck down inside my sock (and shoe) and trailing along the floor when
painting. I made sure that whenever I rotated the wing, that the strap
would remain in contact with the floor.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 14, 2006, at 07:44 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
>
> There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the
> dangers of static electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to
> share. Some of you know me and know I have been working on this model
> IV for two years now. Seems like I started it yesterday. It has been
> the most rewarding project I have ever been involved with. I am
> finished covering and I am in the painting stage now. I must confess
> it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like the poly-fiber
> book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are
> silver the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I
> had one wing on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was
> wiping it down with C-2210 to prep for the first spray coat of
> poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity popping as I wiped
> the wing as I had felt it numerous times before in the painting
> process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had a nice
> fire on my hands. The wing was burning and !
> so was the rag. Luckily, I blew the fire on the wing out almost
> instantly (no damage other than some soot and pride), but the rag was
> saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor it flared up
> pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and stomped it
> out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my life with
> static electricity. Y'all be careful out there.
> Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am
> not done painting yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down
> with C-2210. I was using painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type
> material).
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static electricity |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Thanks Kevin,
I will attempt to locate that product or one like it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cozik" <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static electricity
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kevin Cozik" <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
>
> Hi Brent, I have seen this first hand. I'm in the body shop business and
> have heard of this several times. The paint manufacturer we use at our
> shop
> (Akzo Nobel) sells a product called anti-stat prep solvent. It is used in
> the shop for paint prep on misc. plastic and rubber parts which are prone
> to
> static build-up. Let me know if you need any help finding it.
> Kevin
> S6 in Michigan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Static electricity
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
>>
>> There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers
>> of static electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some
>> of you know me and know I have been working on this model IV for two
>> years
>> now. Seems like I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding
>> project I have ever been involved with. I am finished covering and I am
>> in
>> the painting stage now. I must confess it is much easier than I thought
>> it
>> would be. Just like the poly-fiber book says, "poly-tone is dead easy".
>> Well, the tail feathers are silver the fuse is white and today I started
>> painting on the wings. I had one wing on the rotating fixture in the
>> booth
>> (garage) and was wiping it down with C-2210 to prep for the first spray
>> coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity popping as I
>> wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before in the painting
>> process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had a nice
>> fire on my hands. The wing was burning and !
>> so was the rag. Luckily, I blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly
>> (no damage other than some soot and pride), but the rag was saturated
>> with
>> C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor it flared up pretty good. I kicked
>> it to the door, got the door open and stomped it out, but, WOW what a
>> scare. This is my third incident in my life with static electricity.
>> Y'all
>> be careful out there.
>> Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not
>> done painting yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with
>> C-2210. I was using painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type
>> material).
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New feature for the Kitfox Pin Map |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Hi Ben,
This is a nice site, the only thing I would change is the color for the
model 6 and group it with the model 5. The models 5&6 are essentially the
same except for the 6 being convertible to trigear. The model 7 has a few
more changes that distinguish it like the asymmetrical flaperons and the new
firewall forward for the Rotax 91x series of engines, as well as the manual
elevator trim. On the other hand, maybe people see the 6&7 as more alike
simply because they can both be trigear. Just a thought....
Cliff
The Frappr team just added new colors to use on the pins of the maps. Please
go to the Kitfox Map and see how I applied this to the site. I used the
colors to identify the Model of Kitfox we each fly. There aren't enough
colors for all seven models so I combined the first two on a color and last
two on a color. Please go to the Map
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
(Note the legend under the Map. Scroll down the page to make your choice).
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| Subject: | Re: New feature for the Kitfox Pin Map |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Done, thanks Cliff.
----- Original Message -----
From: Clifford Begnaud
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New feature for the Kitfox Pin Map
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Hi Ben,
This is a nice site, the only thing I would change is the color for the
model 6 and group it with the model 5. The models 5&6 are essentially the
same except for the 6 being convertible to trigear. The model 7 has a few
more changes that distinguish it like the asymmetrical flaperons and the new
firewall forward for the Rotax 91x series of engines, as well as the manual
elevator trim. On the other hand, maybe people see the 6&7 as more alike
simply because they can both be trigear. Just a thought....
Cliff
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| Subject: | Kitfox Builder - Milton Merideth of Ogden Utah |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "harry tucker" <harry@htucker.com>
Does anyone know of this chap as I bought a Kitfox off him and he only part
shipped the goods I paid for and now he will not return my calls?
Any info on him might help
Reply off list
Harry Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Static electricity |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Kevin and Brett.
I am very familiar with Anti Static Degreaser, used for plastic and
fiberglass parts, that kind of stuff. I have worked for Akzo Nobel for 27 years.
DO NOT USE THE NORMAL SOLVENT DEGREASERS WHEN WIPING DOWN ANYTHING THAT IS
NYLON, POLYESTER OR FIBERGLASS.
Brett.
Go to the local drug counter and purchase a bottle of rubbing alcohol, a
gallon of distilled water and also one of those trigger sprayers.
Mix the alcohol 50 / 50 with distilled water and now you have a very good
static free cleaner.
It is easy to spray on with the pump sprayer and you wipe off/dry off with
some cotton towels (old T shirts). You can use this on plexiglass or anything
you want to clean down. It is not a very good wax remover Kevin, that is why we
have the Anti Static Degreaser for car repair.
This in fact will be superior to a solvent degreaser to remove the dried out
traces of the wet sanding sludge of the silver Polyspray.
So using the alcohol wipe will not build up electricity = SAFER, and because
you do not charge the surface with static electricity you should have a much
cleaner paint job because the trash will not be attracted by the static charge.
All the best, Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Al Thomason" <alt@rockwall.net>
I'am looking for a wooden flaperon fixture for a Classic IV used to
position the flaperon horn that is 1 1/2" thick on the bottom. I would like
buy or rent one . Email me off line alt@rockwall.net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mscotter" <mscotter@comcast.net>
Test.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Al
These flaperon jigs are made up simply by using the dwg in the book as a
pattern and cutting it out with a jigsaw or band saw. Just make sure that
you have the correct 1-1/2 inch distance from the middle of the leading and
trailing edge of flaperon to the bottom of the jig. Then use either bolts
or screws to hold the two halves together. Make sure that nothing interferes
with the bottom surface of the jig.
Ted Palamarek
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Thomason
Sent: January 15, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Al Thomason" <alt@rockwall.net>
I'am looking for a wooden flaperon fixture for a Classic IV used to
position the flaperon horn that is 1 1/2" thick on the bottom. I would like
buy or rent one . Email me off line alt@rockwall.net
---
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Al Thomason" <alt@rockwall.net>
Thinks Ted I just though their would was several of these laying around.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Al
>
> These flaperon jigs are made up simply by using the dwg in the book as a
> pattern and cutting it out with a jigsaw or band saw. Just make sure that
> you have the correct 1-1/2 inch distance from the middle of the leading
> and
> trailing edge of flaperon to the bottom of the jig. Then use either bolts
> or screws to hold the two halves together. Make sure that nothing
> interferes
> with the bottom surface of the jig.
>
> Ted Palamarek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Thomason
> Sent: January 15, 2006 9:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Classic IV Flaperon Rigging
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Al Thomason" <alt@rockwall.net>
>
>
> I'am looking for a wooden flaperon fixture for a Classic IV used to
> position the flaperon horn that is 1 1/2" thick on the bottom. I would
> like
> buy or rent one . Email me off line alt@rockwall.net
>
> ---
>
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
He soundes like a gutles wondre who shuld have a gadrenhose stufed up his
backside followed by a pice of barbed wire then pulled out agin the hose
first do not archive
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