---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/16/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:41 AM - Re: Hey Lloyd, (Randy Daughenbaugh) 2. 10:56 AM - Re: Flying Kitfoxes (but somewhat off topic) (Kerry Skyring) 3. 11:20 AM - Fw: Kitfox (Fox5flyer) 4. 11:44 AM - Re: Flying Kitfoxes (but somewhat off topic) (Michel Verheughe) 5. 01:12 PM - Re: Fw: Kitfox (Clifford Begnaud) 6. 02:37 PM - Re: Fw: Kitfox (Fox5flyer) 7. 02:51 PM - Re: gutless (Rich Williamson) 8. 03:11 PM - Gas tank (Glenn Horne) 9. 03:28 PM - Re: Ducati E-Box (Jim Burke) 10. 04:14 PM - Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale (r-harness@comcast.net) 11. 04:19 PM - I caught my wing on FIRE! (Brett Walmsley) 12. 04:42 PM - Re: Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale (michael burkhardt) 13. 05:52 PM - Re: Ducati E-Box (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 14. 06:05 PM - Re: Ducati E-Box (Jim Burke) 15. 06:11 PM - Re: I caught my wing on FIRE! (Alan & Linda Daniels) 16. 06:15 PM - Re: Ducati E-Box (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 17. 06:18 PM - Re: Hey Lloyd, (Cudnohufsky's) 18. 07:02 PM - Re: Ducati E-Box (Jim Burke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:01 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Lloyd, It is an article by John Williamson with pictures of his Kolb Kolbra that he has landed in all of the lower 48 states. One picture is of Rick Nielson, John Hauck, Scott Trask, you, and John Williamson at the 2003 Oshkosh. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> Randy, Don't know, what is on page 41 of Sport Pilot? I am currently getting Sport Aviation. Do not know of any articles that I would be in. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > > Is that you on page 41 of the January EAA Sport Pilot? > > I figure it has to be. Your handle is almost a long as mine. Can't be > many > of you out there. > > Randy > > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:48 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Trim systems cables > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > > Great resource, you got me thinking and looking around, another resource > is > boat supply houses for boats throttle and shift cables. They currently > have > some nice cables on E-Bay with lengths up to 40' > Lloyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:58 AM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying Kitfoxes (but somewhat off topic) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Michel wrote... (still waiting for a break in the weather, haven't been flying for 4 weeks and feeling very sick! :-) And D& D Syverson wrote: > > > It's not the destination, It's the journey... And Richard Bach wrote beautifully about pilots who love to fly to get there and pilots who love to fly to, well, to fly. And if we get there it's a bonus. And both types are fine by me but I know which group I fall in to. Michel, I am barely sustained in these times of no flying by thoughts of previous flights. Back in December, one of my last flights in the Motorfalke, before the snow/freeze set in, was late afternoon, a fog along the Danube, but the airfield was clear, a high layer of cloud but clear in the West with the sun going down behind the Alps so they stood out in white and dark contrast between the layers of cloud. I just hung about up there soaking it all in until I really had to land. There was another Falke up there and later in the club someone started talking about this great sunset and we realised we had both been inspired by the beauty of it all and didn't want to come down. The circuit bashers in Cessnas and other types hadn't noticed a thing. So the intoxicants of that flight have kept me going but your comment about "feeling very sick" alerts me to the fact that if I don't get a fix pretty soon I will start to twitch. Yes a bit overdone but there's the Kitfox in the hangar ready to go and no sign of the "tauwetter." The Fox is a bit faster than the Falke (actually quite a bit) but it will one day take me on long, long cross country flights across Europe. Can't wait. Kerry. Kitfox builder's helper and soon to be KF pilot. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:53 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Does anybody know if this was one of ours? Deke > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051228X02019&key=1 > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:03 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying Kitfoxes (but somewhat off topic) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe On Jan 16, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Kerry Skyring wrote: > And Richard Bach wrote beautifully about pilots who love to fly to get > there > and pilots who love to fly to, well, to fly. Gosh! Whenever I have been travelling or sailing, Kerry, I had with me two small books: The Little Prince from St. Exupery (also a pilot) and Bach's Jonathan Livingstone Seagull. In fact, the company I am working for now, is called Seagull, in honour of the book. The company was founded by a friend who also loved the idea to "fly to reach beyond." > The Fox is a bit faster than the Falke (actually quite a bit) but it > will one day > take me on long, long cross country flights across Europe. Can't wait. If the wind brings you up north, friend, you know how to find me! Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:58 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Deke, The pilot was not on the list. The plane was owned by his father. His father was likely lurking here. This accident was reported here on the list by Bill Hammond with a follow up by me. We watched him take off from our home airport a few minutes before the accident, which happened about 5 miles north of here. (48v) Cliff Does anybody know if this was one of ours? Deke > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051228X02019&key=1 > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:01 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Oh, I remember now. Sorry for the excess post. Deke > > Deke, > The pilot was not on the list. The plane was owned by his father. His father > was likely lurking here. > This accident was reported here on the list by Bill Hammond with a follow up > by me. We watched him take off from our home airport a few minutes before > the accident, which happened about 5 miles north of here. (48v) > Cliff > > Does anybody know if this was one of ours? > Deke > > > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051228X02019&key=1 > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:03 PM PST US From: "Rich Williamson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gutless --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" Why don't you tell us exactly how you feel, and this time in English too !!! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:29 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Kitfox-List: Gas tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Hello, Glenn Horne here. Looking for a gas tank for the left wing of my Kitfox II. It is a 13 gal tank. Anyone out there that might have one and would like to get rid of it please let me know. Email me at glennflys@verizon.net. Thank you Glenn ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:03 PM PST US From: Jim Burke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke Hello, I'm Looking for a couple of good used Ducati E-boxes for a 582. I think all the E-boxes are the same for the Ducati system. So If some one would have a 503-582 setting around for parts I would like to puchase the E-boxes. Please contact me off list. Thanks in advance, Jim N94JE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:11 PM PST US From: r-harness@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r-harness@comcast.net Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale: Both partially finished. Powdercoated - Lt. Blue Paid $4,146 for fuselage and $3,864 for wing kit new from factory in 1996. Asking $2,750 for each or $5,000 for both. I'm in the Dallas, TX area. Call or email for more info. 972-681-8751 (H) Also can anybody recommend any other places where I might post this message and possibly get a response. Thanks, Russell r-harness@comcast.net Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale: Both partially finished. Powdercoated - Lt. Blue Paid $4,146 for fuselage and $3,864 for wing kit new from factory in 1996. Asking $2,750 for each or $5,000 for both. I'm in the Dallas, TX area. Call or email for more info. 972-681-8751 (H) Also can anybody recommend any other places where I might post this message and possibly get a response. Thanks, Russell r-harness@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:36 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Kitfox-List: I caught my wing on FIRE! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" I changed the subject so more people might read the message. Hoping I will to prevent a repeat for someone else. There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers of static electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some of you know me and know I have been working on this model IV for two years now. Seems like I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding project I have ever been involved with. I am finished covering and I am in the painting stage now. I must confess it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like the poly-fiber book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are silver the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I had one wing on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was wiping it down with C-2210 to prep for the first spray coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity popping as I wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before in the painting process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had a nice fire on my hands. The wing was burning and so was the rag. Luckily, I blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly (no damage other than some soot and pride), but the rag was saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor it flared up pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and stomped it out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my life with static electricity. Y'all be careful out there. Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not done painting yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with C-2210. I was using painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type material). ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:47 PM PST US From: michael burkhardt Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt Try Barnstormers.com. Mike do not archive --- r-harness@comcast.net wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > r-harness@comcast.net > > Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale: > Both partially finished. > Powdercoated - Lt. Blue > Paid $4,146 for fuselage and $3,864 for wing kit new > from factory in 1996. > Asking $2,750 for each or $5,000 for both. > I'm in the Dallas, TX area. Call or email for more > info. 972-681-8751 (H) > > Also can anybody recommend any other places where I > might post this > message and possibly get a response. > Thanks, > Russell > r-harness@comcast.net > > > Classic IV Fuselage and Wing Kits For Sale: > Both partially finished. > Powdercoated - Lt. Blue > Paid $4,146 for fuselage and $3,864 for wing kit new > from factory in 1996. > Asking $2,750 for each or $5,000 for both. > I'm in the Dallas, TX area. Call or email for more > info. 972-681-8751 (H) > > Also can anybody recommend any other places where I > might post this > message and possibly get a response. > Thanks, > Russell > r-harness@comcast.net > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:45 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com do U mean a cdi box for the egnition system or a E gear box? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:52 PM PST US From: Jim Burke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke Sorry,The CDI electronic boxes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com > > do U mean a cdi box for the egnition system or a E gear box? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:44 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I caught my wing on FIRE! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels I have been preaching a product called static guard for a lot of years now. It is a product that women use on dresses and the same stuff that you use around computes. It is at your grocery store. When painting spray it inside the wing or in whatever you are working on. A ground wire is also a good idea. It will really help in the painting as static will mess up the paint and pull everything into the wet paint, and it might help keep you from blowing it up. If you refuel yourself, spray it on the funnel, the wing and the gas can before you pour gas. Brett Walmsley wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" > >I changed the subject so more people might read the message. >Hoping I will to prevent a repeat for someone else. > >There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers of static >electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some of you know >me and know I have been working on this model IV for two years now. Seems like >I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding project I have ever been >involved with. I am finished covering and I am in the painting stage now. >I must confess it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like the poly-fiber >book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are silver >the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I had one wing >on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was wiping it down with C-2210 >to prep for the first spray coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity >popping as I wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before >in the painting process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had >a nice fire on my hands. The wing was burning and so was the rag. Luckily, I >blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly (no damage other than some soot >and pride), but the rag was saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor >it flared up pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and >stomped it out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my life with >static electricity. Y'all be careful out there. >Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not done painting >yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with C-2210. I was using >painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type material). > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:27 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com not easy to find they dont go bad very often how many do U need? mal ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:43 PM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> Randy, I haven't seen it but, Yes, that would be me, that is when I had my Kitfox model IV XL. I was the odd duck flying the Kitfox amongst all those Kolb's. It was a great fly in. We flew into the ultralite field, (A real hoot if you have never done it!!). Rick, John and John flew into Iron Mountain together the night before and landed at my friend Scott's field, (about 2 miles North of me) they spent the night there and then we all hooked up at IMT in the morning and flew formation to Oshkosh for the 2003 Airventure. John had reporters from an Ultralite Magazine waiting to interview him when he landed. He was also met by the folks from Kolb who slapped a free weeks pass for Airventure on each of our wrists, yes, even the odd duck, they are great folks. Looking forward to when I can do it again. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Lloyd, > It is an article by John Williamson with pictures of his Kolb Kolbra that > he > has landed in all of the lower 48 states. One picture is of Rick Nielson, > John Hauck, Scott Trask, you, and John Williamson at the 2003 Oshkosh. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:37 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > > Randy, > Don't know, what is on page 41 of Sport Pilot? I am currently getting > Sport > Aviation. Do not know of any articles that I would be in. > Lloyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:58 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Hey Lloyd, > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" >> >> >> >> Is that you on page 41 of the January EAA Sport Pilot? >> >> I figure it has to be. Your handle is almost a long as mine. Can't be >> many >> of you out there. >> >> Randy >> >> >> . >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Cudnohufsky's >> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:48 PM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Trim systems cables >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> >> >> Great resource, you got me thinking and looking around, another resource >> is >> boat supply houses for boats throttle and shift cables. They currently >> have >> some nice cables on E-Bay with lengths up to 40' >> Lloyd >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:14 PM PST US From: Jim Burke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke I could use two. I had a plug open up and caused one side of one of the E-boxes to go bad and I already had one side of the other E-box faulty from that same open plug when I housed the plane for the winter inspection and repairs. I'm changing out the panel fuel tank,and installing a full panel and header tank at this time. I'm trying to find and fix all the problems now while I have the time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ducati E-Box > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com > > not easy to find they dont go bad very often how many do U need? mal > > >