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     1. 08:03 AM - Re: pics (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
     2. 09:00 AM - power for models 5, 6, 7 (Rueb, Duane)
     3. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: pics (Clem Nichols)
     4. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: pics (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
     5. 01:06 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Jeremy Casey)
     6. 02:03 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Paul Wilson)
     7. 03:42 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
     8. 03:46 PM - Re: weight and balance (Randy Daughenbaugh)
     9. 04:01 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Fox5flyer)
    10. 04:04 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Fox5flyer)
    11. 04:23 PM - Re Static RPM (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    12. 05:02 PM - Left flaperon (Eric)
    13. 06:01 PM - Rotax 912 Carb Venting (jablackwell)
    14. 06:47 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    15. 07:28 PM - Re: Cold weather (John King)
    16. 08:12 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting (Mike Ford)
    17. 10:16 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (kurt schrader)
    18. 11:41 PM - NSI CAP system (Graeme Toft)
    19. 11:50 PM - Re: Pre-sewn wing envelopes (kurt schrader)
 
 
 
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      Cc: kitfox-list@matronics.com (Kitfox)
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      
      Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement
      category. They were dead simple to install.  The plex is held in place by
      a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing.  My
      recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting
      prior to installation.  The clarity far exceeds the original items.
      
      The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the
      stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" <jboatm16@netzero.com> 
      Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
      
      
      thanks KFD 
      
      Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement
      category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held in place by
      a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing. My recollection
      is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting
      prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the original items.
      
      The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the
      stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com 
      Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
      
      
      thanksKFD 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
      
      	Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider what power
      to use in your project, and are looking for a good buy on the Rotax 912
      series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion about the problems
      associated with it's liquid cooling system, and other issues.  
      	Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is available at a
      price that is hard to believe, because of it's modest level,
      comparatively ($6,900).  They even are aware of our Kitfoxes according
      to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.  
      
      Duane Rueb   
      	
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
      
      Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than 
      sportpilot.com as I found out by looking.
      
      Clem Nichols
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
      Cc: "Kitfox" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      >
      > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
      > replacement category. They were dead simple to install.  The plex is held 
      > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
      > moly tubing.  My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I 
      > did all of the painting prior to installation.  The clarity far exceeds 
      > the original items.
      >
      > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at 
      > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      >
      > John Kerr
      >
      > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" <jboatm16@netzero.com>
      > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement?
      >
      >
      > thanks KFD
      >
      > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
      > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held 
      > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
      > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did 
      > all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the 
      > original items.
      >
      > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at 
      > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      >
      > John Kerr
      >
      > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com
      > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement?
      >
      >
      > thanksKFD
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      
      thanks, at least I got them posted, which is pretty amazing for someone as ham
      fisted as I am.
      
      John
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> 
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" 
      > 
      > Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than 
      > sportpilot.com as I found out by looking. 
      > 
      > Clem Nichols 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: 
      > To: 
      > Cc: "Kitfox" 
      > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM 
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics 
      > 
      > 
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
      > > 
      > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
      > > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held 
      > > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
      > > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I 
      > > did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds 
      > > the original items. 
      > > 
      > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at
      
      > > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      
      > > 
      > > John Kerr 
      > > 
      > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" 
      > > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > thanks KFD 
      > > 
      > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
      > > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held 
      > > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
      > > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did
      
      > > all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the 
      > > original items. 
      > > 
      > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at
      
      > > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open.
      
      > > 
      > > John Kerr 
      > > 
      > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com 
      > > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > thanksKFD 
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      thanks, at least I got them posted, which is pretty amazing for someone as ham
      fisted as I am.
      
      John
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com 
      
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
       
       Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than 
       sportpilot.com as I found out by looking. 
       
       Clem Nichols 
       ----- Original Message ----- 
       From: <KERRJOHNA@COMCAST.NET>
       To: <JBOATM16@NETZERO.COM>
       Cc: "Kitfox" <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
       Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM 
       Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics 
       
       
        -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
        
        Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
        replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held 
        in p
       lace by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
        moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I 
        did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds 
        the original items. 
        
        The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at 
        the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. 
        
        John Kerr 
        
        -------------- Original message -------------- 
        From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" <JBOATM16@NETZERO.COM>
        Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
        
        
        thanks KFD 
        
        Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the 
        replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held 
        in place by a de
       lta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the 
        moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did 
        all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the 
        original items. 
        
        The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at 
        the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. 
        
        John Kerr 
        
        -------------- Original message -------------- 
        From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com 
        Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? 
        
        
        thanksKFD 
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
       
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| Subject:  | power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      
      
      <snip>
      
      so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.  
      
      Duane Rueb   
      
      <snip>
      
      Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe
      half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore
      BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!!  Probably the same on most engines out
      there...
      
      Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you
      pay for...
      
      Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series
      5,6,7's???
      
      Will need one before too long.
      
      Jeremy Casey
       Vixen builder...
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
      
      Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont.
        Paul
      ==============
      At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      >
      >
      ><snip>
      >
      >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      >on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.
      >
      >Duane Rueb
      >
      ><snip>
      >
      >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe
      >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore
      >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!!  Probably the same on most engines out
      >there...
      >
      >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you
      >pay for...
      >
      >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series
      >5,6,7's???
      >
      >Will need one before too long.
      >
      >Jeremy Casey
      >  Vixen builder...
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Duane,
      I seriously considered the 125 hp Franklin.  In fact that is the way I would
      have gone if I had chosen to go with the heavy engine.
      
      But I finally decided to go light and it came down to the 3300 Jabiru or the
      912S.  At that time the Jab didn't have a very long history, so I went 912S.
      Now I am very happy with the 912S.  It make the 5/6/7 a Light Sport
      Aircraft.  Couldn't do that with the Franklin.
      
      Randy
      
      
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane
      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:59 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
      
      	Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider what power
      to use in your project, and are looking for a good buy on the Rotax 912
      series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion about the problems
      associated with it's liquid cooling system, and other issues.  
      	Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is available at a
      price that is hard to believe, because of it's modest level,
      comparatively ($6,900).  They even are aware of our Kitfoxes according
      to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.  
      
      Duane Rueb   
      	
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | weight and balance | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Opps.  I can't help with the KF 2.  
      
      Hopefully somebody here can.
      
      Randy
      
      Do not archive.
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      Mark.Summers@lwbref.com
      Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:09 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and balance
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark.Summers@lwbref.com
      
      
      Its a KF 2.  I am actually doing some fuselage splicing and will need to do
      W&B as if I were building it. The splices are at the rear and will need to
      re-weigh the plane . The sheets I have start with step #2 With the aircraft
      and all fixed equipment installed, record the scale readings. I want to be
      sure I don't mget the aft CG out of whack Thanks Mark
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Good question Paul.  Here's a great source for engine info whether auto
      conversion or aircraft.  I have no idea how accurate it is, but it gives you
      some idea.  Have fun.
      Deke
      http://www.aviator.cc/engines.html
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Wilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:02 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
      >
      > Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont.
      >   Paul
      > ==============
      > At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
      > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      > >
      > >
      > ><snip>
      > >
      > >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      > >on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      > >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      > >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.
      > >
      > >Duane Rueb
      > >
      > ><snip>
      > >
      > >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe
      > >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore
      > >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!!  Probably the same on most engines out
      > >there...
      > >
      > >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you
      > >pay for...
      > >
      > >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series
      > >5,6,7's???
      > >
      > >Will need one before too long.
      > >
      > >Jeremy Casey
      > >  Vixen builder...
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| Subject:  | Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Here's some more good stuff.
      http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/Franklin1.html
      http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/Contents.html
      Deke
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Wilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:02 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
      > 
      > Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont.
      >   Paul
      > ==============
      > At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
      > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      > >
      > >
      > ><snip>
      > >
      > >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about
      > >on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must confess, I don't
      > >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now
      > >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.
      > >
      > >Duane Rueb
      > >
      > ><snip>
      > >
      > >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe
      > >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore
      > >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!!  Probably the same on most engines out
      > >there...
      > >
      > >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you
      > >pay for...
      > >
      > >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series
      > >5,6,7's???
      > >
      > >Will need one before too long.
      > >
      > >Jeremy Casey
      > >  Vixen builder...
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      
      Hello List,
      >
      > I have the 3-Blade GSC Wood Prop coupled to a C-Box (3.47:1) and 582. GSC
      > states that static RPM should be about 6200...the previous owner had
      > static
      > RPM way up at about 6500. I'm awfully tired of fine-tuning this thing -
      > whats the best static RPM in your opinions? BTW, right now I'm lucky to
      > push
      > 6200 in climb-out.
      >
      > Thanks!
      >
      > Andrew
      > KF3
      
      Hi ! Andrew,
                           I 'm not sure I am qualified to comment but I thought
      mentioning my figures won't hurt. I have a MKIV 1200. It has a 582 blue
      head, an "E" box 3:1 ratio. The prop is a 3 blade ground adjustable IVO. I
      live in Australia in an area called the Riverland in South Australia. We
      have a mild winter and fairly hot summers like currently we are have having
      days around 40 to 45 degrees Celsius. I can get 6,200 static where my prop
      is adjusted and I never change that although the previous owner changed
      between summmer and winter. He was probably right and I'm probably wrong.
         Now I haven't actually checked my static on these very hot days. I
      suspect it would be down though. We are at 115 ft AMSL. When temperatures
      were around the mid 20's C with 2 x 90Kg pilots on board I checked maximum
      straight and level at about 1,500 ft and it wound out to 7,000 RPM and 108
      knots Vne before I throttled back. I'd say it was not going to do much more
      anyway but as it was already slightly over RPM and at Vne I figured that was
      enough.
        Now on the other end of the scale in 40 deg C with 2 x 90 Kg pilots the
      other day on rough grass about 12" high I could not lift off first attempt.
      There was a very light cross wind. Normaly it lifts off just fine with us 2
      x 90 pilots even on the grass and this was my only experience to the
      contrary. Solo it lifts off like a rocket at any time.
        After the above aborted take-off I thought about reducing the pitch and
      this might be the correct way to go in the hot weather but if I don't have
      to I don't want to chop and change as the weather changes. Also due to
      normally getting 6,200 static. [ In fact it always is although I don't even
      try when it's very hot.] and 7,000 S&L as stated I am not inclined to reduce
      pitch. My take-off is not really a problem
        Strangely I may only see 5,800 in climb out despite 6,200 static. I'm
      guessing but I figure static the prop is slipping but with some speed in
      climb out it is efficient and not slipping. I relate this to my experiences
      racing on water with a propeller in a 5 litre hydroplane. I would pull 6 to
      7,000 until the prop grabbed at about 45 mph then it would drop to 4 to
      4,500 and from there the revs and speed very quickly built up again.
       So Andrew I just think no matter what you do unless you change pitch for
      every occassion there is always a compromise. I would suggest if you are
      normally getting 6,200 static and you are not having other problems then
      accept that. Perhaps consider changing your setting summer and winter if you
      must. My fuel burn is between 15 and 18 litres per hour in cruise.
        By the way I use Mogass. Sometimes Regular and others Premium. I do notice
      a difference in EGT's and feel their is a slight change in power. My water
      temp always seems to sit on 170 no matter what basically except going down a
      little on a long descent perhaps. When I first got the plane we were doing a
      lot of fast taxi-ing and did tend to go over 180 then in the heat of the
      summer.
        I hope all this is of interest and/or help,
                                                                   Rex.
      rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
      
      Hey all you wonderful Kitfox flyers out there, does anyone have an extra left flaperon
      for a mod. IV or newer, or know where I can find one?
      Eric
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 912 Carb Venting | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
      
      
      
      This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the 
      old timers will forgive me.  It occured to me that the vent tube 
      on the bing carbs present a fire hazard.  Should the float stick 
      on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent 
      tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the 
      exhaust pipes and muffler.  I would not want to be in my Kitfox if 
      this happened.
      
      Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking 
      floats?  More importantly, does anyone know of a solution?  Not 
      flying is not an option.
      
      Jimmie 
      
      Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
      
      
       
                         
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 912 Carb Venting | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Jimmie,
      Do you have trays under your carbs?  I was provided two little catch trays
      that fit close up under the carbs and are fitted with hose fittings to carry
      overflow down and out the cowl.  They are kind of a nuisance at times, but
      should do the job.
      
      Randy = Series 5/7  - 912S
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jablackwell
      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:58 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
      
      
      
      This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the 
      old timers will forgive me.  It occured to me that the vent tube 
      on the bing carbs present a fire hazard.  Should the float stick 
      on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent 
      tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the 
      exhaust pipes and muffler.  I would not want to be in my Kitfox if 
      this happened.
      
      Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking 
      floats?  More importantly, does anyone know of a solution?  Not 
      flying is not an option.
      
      Jimmie 
      
      Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
      
      
       
                         
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Cold weather | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
      
      Kirk,
      
      I fly in the winter, but the temperatures in Northern Virginia are not 
      that cold.  I have a cockpit controlled cowl flap on my radiator and 
      sliding shutters on my oil cooler so I can keep the engine and oil 
      temperatures where I want to maintain them.  While hangared in the 
      winter I keep a 40 watt bulb under the cowl and a blanket over the 
      cowl.  I have no problems starting the 912/ULS engine.
      
      -- 
      John King 
      Warrenton, VA
      
      
      Kirk Martenson wrote:
      
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
      >
      >For those of you who fly with a Rotax 912 in cold weather (20 to -20 degrees F),
      what are your cylinder head temps, and oil temps? Do you use a radiator flap?
      Does anyone use a cowling blanket between flights?
      >
      >Thanks,
      >
      >Kirk Martenson
      >Classic IV Rotax 912
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Jimmie,
      
      If you don't have trays and you want to re-route the vent lines so the a fuel overflow
      won't spill onto something hot, you can.  However, these lines are sensative
      to pressure changes, so you won't want to extend the lines too much.
      
      I think the biggest mistake some poeple have made is to extend the vent lines so
      that they reach the outside of the cowl.
      
      from: http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/rotaxtr/trrtx1.htm
      "There are two vent tubes located on the side of the Bing         carb. Do not
      connect any additional hoses to these vents, or vent them outside an enclosed
             engine installation. By venting outside the engine cowling you create
      two different air         pressure areas, that of the outside air, and that of
      the air inside the engine cowling,         which can effect you fuel mixture."
      
      Mike
      
       jablackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "
      jablackwell" 
      
      
      
      This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the 
      old timers will forgive me.  It occured to me that the vent tube 
      on the bing carbs present a fire hazard.  Should the float stick 
      on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent 
      tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the 
      exhaust pipes and muffler.  I would not want to be in my Kitfox if 
      this happened.
      
      Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking 
      floats?  More importantly, does anyone know of a solution?  Not 
      flying is not an option.
      
      Jimmie 
      
      Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
      
      
       
                         
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      		
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| Subject:  | Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      I looked at Franklins back when I was trying to decide
      about my engine.  They haven't gotten over the
      reputation of being 300 hr TBO engines, I guess.  I
      thought someone on this list had one though.  Any
      current experience out there?
      
      Kurt S.  S-5/NSI turbo
      
      --- "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu> wrote:
      > 
      > 	Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider
      > what power
      > to use in your project, and are looking for a good
      > buy on the Rotax 912
      > series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion
      > about the problems
      > associated with it's liquid cooling system, and
      > other issues.  
      > 	Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is
      > available at a
      > price that is hard to believe, because of it's
      > modest level,
      > comparatively ($6,900).  They even are aware of our
      > Kitfoxes according
      > to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these
      > installations talked about
      > on our list, and articles in the magazines?  I must
      > confess, I don't
      > understand why this engine isn't the main one guys
      > are talking about now
      > for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes.
      >  
      > 
      > Duane Rueb
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
      Im going to put my CAP system on the market and go with a fixed pitch. It is in
      perfect condition after being stripped down and checked by a LAME. Colin , who
      is also on the list is an electronics guy in Sydney and has given the computer
      and digital readout the OK as well. The whole system has 168 hours on it so
      its like new. I dont want to go done this road because I love the CAP systems
      but I'll have to fly with a cheaper system for a while and direct funds into
      the rebuild. Thought the list might like first option before I advertised in on
      Ebay. Please reply off list.
      
      
      Graeme Toft
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pre-sewn wing envelopes | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Graeme,
      
      I covered my plane with the rolled fabric and my
      friend covered his with envelopes.  It turned out that
      mine was easier because he had a hard time keeping the
      seems lined up where I could just cut mine to fit. 
      His was harder to shrink evenly too because the fabric
      would pucker or bunch when lining up the seems.
      
      Like you, I thought the envelopes would have been
      easier, but it didn't turn out that way.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5
      
      --- Graeme Toft <msm@byterocky.net> wrote:
      
      > Hi Guys, has anyone had experience with the ceconite
      > 102 pre-sewn envelopes and if so what are your
      > thoughts. Just thinking they might be a simple way
      > to re-cover the wings and they appear to be
      > reasonably priced.
      > 
      > Cheers
      > Graeme Toft
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
 
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