---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/19/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:03 AM - Re: pics (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 2. 09:00 AM - power for models 5, 6, 7 (Rueb, Duane) 3. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: pics (Clem Nichols) 4. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: pics (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 5. 01:06 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Jeremy Casey) 6. 02:03 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Paul Wilson) 7. 03:42 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Randy Daughenbaugh) 8. 03:46 PM - Re: weight and balance (Randy Daughenbaugh) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Fox5flyer) 10. 04:04 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (Fox5flyer) 11. 04:23 PM - Re Static RPM (Rex & Jan Shaw) 12. 05:02 PM - Left flaperon (Eric) 13. 06:01 PM - Rotax 912 Carb Venting (jablackwell) 14. 06:47 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting (Randy Daughenbaugh) 15. 07:28 PM - Re: Cold weather (John King) 16. 08:12 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting (Mike Ford) 17. 10:16 PM - Re: power for models 5, 6, 7 (kurt schrader) 18. 11:41 PM - NSI CAP system (Graeme Toft) 19. 11:50 PM - Re: Pre-sewn wing envelopes (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:01 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Cc: kitfox-list@matronics.com (Kitfox) Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the original items. The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? thanks KFD Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the original items. The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? thanksKFD ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:09 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 From: "Rueb, Duane" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider what power to use in your project, and are looking for a good buy on the Rotax 912 series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion about the problems associated with it's liquid cooling system, and other issues. Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is available at a price that is hard to believe, because of it's modest level, comparatively ($6,900). They even are aware of our Kitfoxes according to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. Duane Rueb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:47 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than sportpilot.com as I found out by looking. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: Cc: "Kitfox" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I > did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds > the original items. > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? > > > thanks KFD > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did > all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the > original items. > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? > > > thanksKFD > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:16 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: pics --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net thanks, at least I got them posted, which is pretty amazing for someone as ham fisted as I am. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than > sportpilot.com as I found out by looking. > > Clem Nichols > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "Kitfox" > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the > > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held > > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the > > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I > > did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds > > the original items. > > > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at > > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. > > > > John Kerr > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" > > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? > > > > > > thanks KFD > > > > Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the > > replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held > > in place by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the > > moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did > > all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the > > original items. > > > > The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at > > the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. > > > > John Kerr > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com > > Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? > > > > > > thanksKFD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, at least I got them posted, which is pretty amazing for someone as ham fisted as I am. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Not to be picky, but the pics are in www.sportflight.com rather than sportpilot.com as I found out by looking. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Kitfox" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: pics -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held in p lace by a delta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the original items. The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? thanks KFD Okay guys, the side window pictures are loaded on Sportpilot.com in the replacement category. They were dead simple to install. The plex is held in place by a de lta shaped ring screwed to joggle clips that capture the moly tubing. My recollection is that the package came from Blue Sky. I did all of the painting prior to installation. The clarity far exceeds the original items. The failure of the sewn-in windows was incramental: fuel leak, fracture at the stitch points, followed by total blow when flying with the doors open. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jboatm16@netzero.com" jboatm16@netzero.com Hey John, id look at the pics of the side window replacement? thanksKFD
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:23 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. Duane Rueb Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!! Probably the same on most engines out there... Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you pay for... Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series 5,6,7's??? Will need one before too long. Jeremy Casey Vixen builder... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:55 PM PST US From: Paul Wilson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont. Paul ============== At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > > > >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about >on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. > >Duane Rueb > > > >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!! Probably the same on most engines out >there... > >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you >pay for... > >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series >5,6,7's??? > >Will need one before too long. > >Jeremy Casey > Vixen builder... > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:15 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Duane, I seriously considered the 125 hp Franklin. In fact that is the way I would have gone if I had chosen to go with the heavy engine. But I finally decided to go light and it came down to the 3300 Jabiru or the 912S. At that time the Jab didn't have a very long history, so I went 912S. Now I am very happy with the 912S. It make the 5/6/7 a Light Sport Aircraft. Couldn't do that with the Franklin. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider what power to use in your project, and are looking for a good buy on the Rotax 912 series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion about the problems associated with it's liquid cooling system, and other issues. Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is available at a price that is hard to believe, because of it's modest level, comparatively ($6,900). They even are aware of our Kitfoxes according to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. Duane Rueb ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:18 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and balance --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Opps. I can't help with the KF 2. Hopefully somebody here can. Randy Do not archive. . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark.Summers@lwbref.com Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weight and balance --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark.Summers@lwbref.com Its a KF 2. I am actually doing some fuselage splicing and will need to do W&B as if I were building it. The splices are at the rear and will need to re-weigh the plane . The sheets I have start with step #2 With the aircraft and all fixed equipment installed, record the scale readings. I want to be sure I don't mget the aft CG out of whack Thanks Mark ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:21 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Good question Paul. Here's a great source for engine info whether auto conversion or aircraft. I have no idea how accurate it is, but it gives you some idea. Have fun. Deke http://www.aviator.cc/engines.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson > > Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont. > Paul > ============== > At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > > > > > > > > >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about > >on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't > >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now > >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. > > > >Duane Rueb > > > > > > > >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe > >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore > >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!! Probably the same on most engines out > >there... > > > >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you > >pay for... > > > >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series > >5,6,7's??? > > > >Will need one before too long. > > > >Jeremy Casey > > Vixen builder... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:32 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Here's some more good stuff. http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/Franklin1.html http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/Contents.html Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson > > Weight?? Do you have an engine weight comparison chart. I dont. > Paul > ============== > At 01:05 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > > > > > > > > >so why aren't we seeing these installations talked about > >on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must confess, I don't > >understand why this engine isn't the main one guys are talking about now > >for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. > > > >Duane Rueb > > > > > > > >Just a general comment about the Franklin engines...seems of the maybe > >half dozen folks I've talked to that flew/owned one...they either swore > >BY THEM or swore AT THEM!!! Probably the same on most engines out > >there... > > > >Hard to beat the 912 series though...pricey but definitely get what you > >pay for... > > > >Is anyone aware of anyone making motor mounts for the 912/series > >5,6,7's??? > > > >Will need one before too long. > > > >Jeremy Casey > > Vixen builder... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:42 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Static RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Hello List, > > I have the 3-Blade GSC Wood Prop coupled to a C-Box (3.47:1) and 582. GSC > states that static RPM should be about 6200...the previous owner had > static > RPM way up at about 6500. I'm awfully tired of fine-tuning this thing - > whats the best static RPM in your opinions? BTW, right now I'm lucky to > push > 6200 in climb-out. > > Thanks! > > Andrew > KF3 Hi ! Andrew, I 'm not sure I am qualified to comment but I thought mentioning my figures won't hurt. I have a MKIV 1200. It has a 582 blue head, an "E" box 3:1 ratio. The prop is a 3 blade ground adjustable IVO. I live in Australia in an area called the Riverland in South Australia. We have a mild winter and fairly hot summers like currently we are have having days around 40 to 45 degrees Celsius. I can get 6,200 static where my prop is adjusted and I never change that although the previous owner changed between summmer and winter. He was probably right and I'm probably wrong. Now I haven't actually checked my static on these very hot days. I suspect it would be down though. We are at 115 ft AMSL. When temperatures were around the mid 20's C with 2 x 90Kg pilots on board I checked maximum straight and level at about 1,500 ft and it wound out to 7,000 RPM and 108 knots Vne before I throttled back. I'd say it was not going to do much more anyway but as it was already slightly over RPM and at Vne I figured that was enough. Now on the other end of the scale in 40 deg C with 2 x 90 Kg pilots the other day on rough grass about 12" high I could not lift off first attempt. There was a very light cross wind. Normaly it lifts off just fine with us 2 x 90 pilots even on the grass and this was my only experience to the contrary. Solo it lifts off like a rocket at any time. After the above aborted take-off I thought about reducing the pitch and this might be the correct way to go in the hot weather but if I don't have to I don't want to chop and change as the weather changes. Also due to normally getting 6,200 static. [ In fact it always is although I don't even try when it's very hot.] and 7,000 S&L as stated I am not inclined to reduce pitch. My take-off is not really a problem Strangely I may only see 5,800 in climb out despite 6,200 static. I'm guessing but I figure static the prop is slipping but with some speed in climb out it is efficient and not slipping. I relate this to my experiences racing on water with a propeller in a 5 litre hydroplane. I would pull 6 to 7,000 until the prop grabbed at about 45 mph then it would drop to 4 to 4,500 and from there the revs and speed very quickly built up again. So Andrew I just think no matter what you do unless you change pitch for every occassion there is always a compromise. I would suggest if you are normally getting 6,200 static and you are not having other problems then accept that. Perhaps consider changing your setting summer and winter if you must. My fuel burn is between 15 and 18 litres per hour in cruise. By the way I use Mogass. Sometimes Regular and others Premium. I do notice a difference in EGT's and feel their is a slight change in power. My water temp always seems to sit on 170 no matter what basically except going down a little on a long descent perhaps. When I first got the plane we were doing a lot of fast taxi-ing and did tend to go over 180 then in the heat of the summer. I hope all this is of interest and/or help, Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:34 PM PST US From: "Eric" Subject: Kitfox-List: Left flaperon --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" Hey all you wonderful Kitfox flyers out there, does anyone have an extra left flaperon for a mod. IV or newer, or know where I can find one? Eric ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:08 PM PST US From: " jablackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the old timers will forgive me. It occured to me that the vent tube on the bing carbs present a fire hazard. Should the float stick on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the exhaust pipes and muffler. I would not want to be in my Kitfox if this happened. Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking floats? More importantly, does anyone know of a solution? Not flying is not an option. Jimmie Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:04 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Jimmie, Do you have trays under your carbs? I was provided two little catch trays that fit close up under the carbs and are fitted with hose fittings to carry overflow down and out the cowl. They are kind of a nuisance at times, but should do the job. Randy = Series 5/7 - 912S . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jablackwell Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the old timers will forgive me. It occured to me that the vent tube on the bing carbs present a fire hazard. Should the float stick on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the exhaust pipes and muffler. I would not want to be in my Kitfox if this happened. Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking floats? More importantly, does anyone know of a solution? Not flying is not an option. Jimmie Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:06 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cold weather --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Kirk, I fly in the winter, but the temperatures in Northern Virginia are not that cold. I have a cockpit controlled cowl flap on my radiator and sliding shutters on my oil cooler so I can keep the engine and oil temperatures where I want to maintain them. While hangared in the winter I keep a 40 watt bulb under the cowl and a blanket over the cowl. I have no problems starting the 912/ULS engine. -- John King Warrenton, VA Kirk Martenson wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" > >For those of you who fly with a Rotax 912 in cold weather (20 to -20 degrees F), what are your cylinder head temps, and oil temps? Do you use a radiator flap? Does anyone use a cowling blanket between flights? > >Thanks, > >Kirk Martenson >Classic IV Rotax 912 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:42 PM PST US From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford Hi Jimmie, If you don't have trays and you want to re-route the vent lines so the a fuel overflow won't spill onto something hot, you can. However, these lines are sensative to pressure changes, so you won't want to extend the lines too much. I think the biggest mistake some poeple have made is to extend the vent lines so that they reach the outside of the cowl. from: http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/rotaxtr/trrtx1.htm "There are two vent tubes located on the side of the Bing carb. Do not connect any additional hoses to these vents, or vent them outside an enclosed engine installation. By venting outside the engine cowling you create two different air pressure areas, that of the outside air, and that of the air inside the engine cowling, which can effect you fuel mixture." Mike jablackwell wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " jablackwell" This has probably been addressed on the list before, so hope the old timers will forgive me. It occured to me that the vent tube on the bing carbs present a fire hazard. Should the float stick on either carb, then gasoline would be flowing out of the vent tube and on the Kitfox would likely come in contact with the exhaust pipes and muffler. I would not want to be in my Kitfox if this happened. Has there been any instances of a fire because of sticking floats? More importantly, does anyone know of a solution? Not flying is not an option. Jimmie Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --------------------------------- Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:39 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: power for models 5, 6, 7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I looked at Franklins back when I was trying to decide about my engine. They haven't gotten over the reputation of being 300 hr TBO engines, I guess. I thought someone on this list had one though. Any current experience out there? Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- "Rueb, Duane" wrote: > > Some of you are at the stage of needing to consider > what power > to use in your project, and are looking for a good > buy on the Rotax 912 > series, but I have notice quite a lot of discussion > about the problems > associated with it's liquid cooling system, and > other issues. > Why not use the Franklin 125hp engine, which is > available at a > price that is hard to believe, because of it's > modest level, > comparatively ($6,900). They even are aware of our > Kitfoxes according > to their ads, so why aren't we seeing these > installations talked about > on our list, and articles in the magazines? I must > confess, I don't > understand why this engine isn't the main one guys > are talking about now > for airplanes in the class of the 5 thru 7 Kitfoxes. > > > Duane Rueb ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:15 PM PST US From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI CAP system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" Im going to put my CAP system on the market and go with a fixed pitch. It is in perfect condition after being stripped down and checked by a LAME. Colin , who is also on the list is an electronics guy in Sydney and has given the computer and digital readout the OK as well. The whole system has 168 hours on it so its like new. I dont want to go done this road because I love the CAP systems but I'll have to fly with a cheaper system for a while and direct funds into the rebuild. Thought the list might like first option before I advertised in on Ebay. Please reply off list. Graeme Toft ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:24 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-sewn wing envelopes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Graeme, I covered my plane with the rolled fabric and my friend covered his with envelopes. It turned out that mine was easier because he had a hard time keeping the seems lined up where I could just cut mine to fit. His was harder to shrink evenly too because the fabric would pucker or bunch when lining up the seems. Like you, I thought the envelopes would have been easier, but it didn't turn out that way. Kurt S. S-5 --- Graeme Toft wrote: > Hi Guys, has anyone had experience with the ceconite > 102 pre-sewn envelopes and if so what are your > thoughts. Just thinking they might be a simple way > to re-cover the wings and they appear to be > reasonably priced. > > Cheers > Graeme Toft