---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/21/06: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:45 AM - Re: Rotax 912 Carb Venting (Bob Robertson) 2. 09:12 AM - Re: Paint (Donald STEVENSON) 3. 09:37 AM - Re: Paint (Brett Walmsley) 4. 10:01 AM - Purolator fuel filters revisited (Lynn Matteson) 5. 10:16 AM - Drain valves (Clint Bazzill) 6. 10:27 AM - Rotax 912 & 914 (Clint Bazzill) 7. 11:04 AM - fabric temp/ paint (ron schick) 8. 11:26 AM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (James Shumaker) 9. 11:30 AM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (James Shumaker) 10. 12:13 PM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (Randy Daughenbaugh) 11. 12:49 PM - Re: Paint (Guy Buchanan) 12. 01:27 PM - Re: Paint (eccles) 13. 01:33 PM - paint hoses- water trap (ron schick) 14. 01:51 PM - Re: Paint (Donald STEVENSON) 15. 02:01 PM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (Alan & Linda Daniels) 16. 02:15 PM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (Alan & Linda Daniels) 17. 02:17 PM - Fw: Re: Aeroelectric Seminar at Prescott (Dan Billingsley) 18. 02:26 PM - Re: Paint (Alan & Linda Daniels) 19. 02:26 PM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (Lynn Matteson) 20. 02:29 PM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (Lynn Matteson) 21. 02:30 PM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (ron schick) 22. 02:37 PM - Kitfox 4-1200 For Sale (Jay Fabian) 23. 02:45 PM - Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video (ron schick) 24. 02:51 PM - Re: Paint (Lynn Matteson) 25. 03:02 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video (Ronald K. Stevens) 26. 03:10 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video (Howard Firm) 27. 03:10 PM - Re: Paint (Lynn Matteson) 28. 03:10 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video (jdmcbean) 29. 03:20 PM - Re: paint hoses- water trap (Lynn Matteson) 30. 04:13 PM - Who was looking for Purolator Fuel Filter?? (Rich Williamson) 31. 04:47 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video (ron schick) 32. 05:20 PM - Re: Who was looking for Purolator Fuel Filter?? (Lynn Matteson) 33. 05:31 PM - Re: fabric temp/ paint (Brett Walmsley) 34. 05:32 PM - Re: Paint (Brett Walmsley) 35. 06:39 PM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (Lowell Fitt) 36. 07:02 PM - Re: paint hoses- water trap (Alan & Linda Daniels) 37. 07:54 PM - Re: Drain valves (wingsdown) 38. 08:45 PM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (Lynn Matteson) 39. 08:51 PM - Re: paint hoses- water trap (Lynn Matteson) 40. 10:41 PM - Re: Purolator fuel filters revisited (James Shumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:22 AM PST US From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Rick, The lines as they are shipped from the factory are 120mm (a tad longer than 4 3/4"). Thats what I'd stay with. Differences in cowling pressures and temperatures between airplanes could make a difference in air pressure in the float bowl. Therefore any changes to where the float bowl chambers tubes are placed could result in a dramatic change. Hope this helps Bob R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Williamson" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 Carb Venting > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > > Bob, > Is there a "recommended" length for the vent tubes to extend? > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:20 AM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Hi Smokey, I've just read your post and since I will be ready to paint my M4 Speedster in the spring I have a question or two for you. What model is your kit, and what type of HLVP unit did you use, was it a complete system or just a gun using a standard air compressor. I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even exists) Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. --- Brett Walmsley wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" > > > I am almost done. > Going to be pretty close to: > 6 gal poly brush (1 brush 2 cross) > 6 gal poly spray (3 cross) > 6 gal ins. white poly tone (3 cross) > used 8500 reducer. HVLP gun. > very happy with results. > Easy. > Watch out for static electricity. > Regards > Smokey in Georgia > > First time for me covering and painting. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Olson" > To: "Builder Hotline" > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:30 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Paint > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson > > > > > I am starting to plan for the painting of my S7. I > have read the Polyfiber > > manual completely and am wondering what kind of > success everyone else has > > had using this method. What kind of process would > you guys recomend to > > paint the aluminum and fiberglass? I am going to > use a Polytone paint. How > > much is required to do the job? > > > > Thanks, > > Gary Olson > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get > quality prints in your hands > > ASAP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:18 AM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" My kit is a M4 long wing with all the speedster mods. The gun is a porter-cable PSH1 w/ standard nozzle (ebay $45) (I they are over a hundred new)(many companies have similar models) It is just a gun with the 20 oz. tank on top. Running a 22# +-. Works real nice for me. I am NOT a painter. One piece of advice I would give, would be to not over think the process. It's just not that complicated. The poly process is just like they say, "dead easy". p.s. Watch out for static electricity ;-) Regards, Brett (smokey or sparky, I've heard em all since I tried to burn my airplane up) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald STEVENSON" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Hi Smokey, I've just read your post and since I will > be ready to paint my M4 Speedster in the spring I have > a question or two for you. What model is your kit, and > what type of HLVP unit did you use, was it a complete > system or just a gun using a standard air compressor. > I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only > need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even > exists) > Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don > Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. > --- Brett Walmsley wrote: > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" >> >> >> I am almost done. >> Going to be pretty close to: >> 6 gal poly brush (1 brush 2 cross) >> 6 gal poly spray (3 cross) >> 6 gal ins. white poly tone (3 cross) >> used 8500 reducer. HVLP gun. >> very happy with results. >> Easy. >> Watch out for static electricity. >> Regards >> Smokey in Georgia >> >> First time for me covering and painting. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Olson" >> To: "Builder Hotline" >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:30 PM >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Paint >> >> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson >> >> > >> > I am starting to plan for the painting of my S7. I >> have read the Polyfiber >> > manual completely and am wondering what kind of >> success everyone else has >> > had using this method. What kind of process would >> you guys recomend to >> > paint the aluminum and fiberglass? I am going to >> use a Polytone paint. How >> > much is required to do the job? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Gary Olson >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get >> quality prints in your hands >> > ASAP. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >> >> Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:09 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap plastic automotive filters. Lynn ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:15 AM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Drain valves --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" Can someone tell me the number for the wing tank drain valves. Thanks ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:27 AM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Cc: davedent@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 & 914 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" I was in Livermore airport yesterday and met Dave Dent. He has a 914 and I believe 2 0r 3 912's for sale. You can contact him at davedent@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:51 AM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" What temps have been used to shrink the fabric? I could not bring myself to go 350 on the fuselage as it was starting to deform the longerons. now I am ready for final shrinking on the tail group and want it as tight as possible. I used almost one gallon of polybrush on fuselage, and almost as much polyspray. The white however covered well with the first coat and the second coat was a formality. barely over a half gallon. Is there any advantage to more color? I have HVLP but used my old bottom feeder for this as I have more experience with the older style. Not a technique for beginers, but on autos I pull the needle way back for lots of paint, stay close and move really fast. You can give another fast pass if needed or move away if it went on heavy. On single stage paints this allows completing the coat and tying in the wet edge at the starting point. May not be needed with polytone, but did it by habit. Perhaps this why it covered so well. Ron NB Or ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:26 AM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Hi Lynn After years of flying with the glass purolator just before the carbs, I got bored with seeing the same thing over and over. I considered the screwed together glass case to be a weak point and so now use a cheap STEEL automotive fuel filter. This filter is after the gascolator screen and is changed annually. Remember, the more devices you have in line the more flow restrictions. Jim Shumaker Lynn Matteson wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap plastic automotive filters. Lynn ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:34 AM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Ron 250 degrees F. More paint is more weight. Do you want to fly well or show well? One of the tricks that was employed with the early kitfoxes was a very thin paint coat to save weight. Jim Shumaker ron schick wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" What temps have been used to shrink the fabric? I could not bring myself to go 350 on the fuselage as it was starting to deform the longerons. now I am ready for final shrinking on the tail group and want it as tight as possible. I used almost one gallon of polybrush on fuselage, and almost as much polyspray. The white however covered well with the first coat and the second coat was a formality. barely over a half gallon. Is there any advantage to more color? I have HVLP but used my old bottom feeder for this as I have more experience with the older style. Not a technique for beginers, but on autos I pull the needle way back for lots of paint, stay close and move really fast. You can give another fast pass if needed or move away if it went on heavy. On single stage paints this allows completing the coat and tying in the wet edge at the starting point. May not be needed with polytone, but did it by habit. Perhaps this why it covered so well. Ron NB Or ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:40 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" 300F most places. 275 F in some places. 350F is too high for our foxes. And be sure your iron calibration is accurate. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Shumaker Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Ron 250 degrees F. More paint is more weight. Do you want to fly well or show well? One of the tricks that was employed with the early kitfoxes was a very thin paint coat to save weight. Jim Shumaker ron schick wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" What temps have been used to shrink the fabric? I could not bring myself to go 350 on the fuselage as it was starting to deform the longerons. now I am ready for final shrinking on the tail group and want it as tight as possible. I used almost one gallon of polybrush on fuselage, and almost as much polyspray. The white however covered well with the first coat and the second coat was a formality. barely over a half gallon. Is there any advantage to more color? I have HVLP but used my old bottom feeder for this as I have more experience with the older style. Not a technique for beginers, but on autos I pull the needle way back for lots of paint, stay close and move really fast. You can give another fast pass if needed or move away if it went on heavy. On single stage paints this allows completing the coat and tying in the wet edge at the starting point. May not be needed with polytone, but did it by habit. Perhaps this why it covered so well. Ron NB Or ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:40 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: >I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only >need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even >exists) >Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don >Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to do it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is a pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes more wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time. gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of paint without having to dry the agent. 2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses. Guy ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:50 PM PST US From: "eccles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" Hey guys jumping in with my two cents , what kind of paint are you spraying aerothane or polytone for the final coats? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: >I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only >need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even >exists) >Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don >Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to do it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is a pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes more wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time. gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of paint without having to dry the agent. 2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses. Guy ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:04 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Kitfox-List: paint hoses- water trap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have 50' hose to water trap which I leave barely hissing then 50' more to workshop then 25' to gun. The first 50' acts as a condensor for water separation. 50-60 psi at compressor gives good consistant gun pressure. HVLP may require a secondary tank near gun. Raining cats and dogs in Oregon, but painting anyway. Ron NB Or ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:47 PM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Polytone when I get to that point, Don --- eccles wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" > > > Hey guys > jumping in with my two cents , what kind of paint > are you spraying aerothane > or polytone for the final coats? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Guy Buchanan > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:48 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > > At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: > >I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only > >need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even > >exists) > >Any comments you may have would be a great help. > Don > >Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. > > I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. > However, if I had to do > it all over again I'd buy a more expensive > professional gun. The Husky is a > pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think > cleaning it causes more > wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild > the internals because > some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. > (In particular, the > air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air > gun.) I'd like to find a > gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a > long period of time. > > gun. I installed both a water separator and then a > dryer in line. I've > never seen water in the separator so I think that > was a waste of effort. > Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a > really large one, (the > bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be > able to do a lot of > paint without having to dry the agent. > > 2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi > to the gun and then > between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system > a lot better than > using the compressor's regulator since there are no > line losses. > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:03 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels I have been using the NAPA version of the same filter -glass with a nylon filter- just above the the header tank for 9 years with no problems. I have done it two ways, one is above the seat so I can see it, the other is just above the header tank and I cut 1 1/2 inch holes in the seat back so I could pull the seat cushion back forward and see them. I have see and heard of problems with using the paper inline type filter. For some reason there is not always enough head pressure to push the gas through them, especially at altitude. Lynn Matteson wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > >I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel >filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news >regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found >pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the >header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I >would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind >the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the >Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators >website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but >they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, >can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see >what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap >plastic automotive filters. > >Lynn > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:49 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels On the 5,6,7 I use 325/350 in most places. On cold days the fabric seems a little loose when I didn't fully shrink. The trailing edge of the wing seems to be the place you have to watch. The Poly system is dead simple, but there are a few tricks. Were in Oregon are you, I am in eastern Oregon. Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > >300F most places. 275 F in some places. > >350F is too high for our foxes. And be sure your iron calibration is >accurate. > >Randy > >. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Shumaker >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:30 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker > > >Ron > > 250 degrees F. > > More paint is more weight. Do you want to fly well or show well? One of >the tricks that was employed with the early kitfoxes was a very thin paint >coat to save weight. > > Jim Shumaker > >ron schick wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > >What temps have been used to shrink the fabric? I could not bring myself to >go 350 on the fuselage as it was starting to deform the longerons. now I am >ready for final shrinking on the tail group and want it as tight as >possible. >I used almost one gallon of polybrush on fuselage, and almost as much >polyspray. The white however covered well with the first coat and the >second coat was a formality. barely over a half gallon. Is there any >advantage to more color? I have HVLP but used my old bottom feeder for this >as I have more experience with the older style. Not a technique for >beginers, but on autos I pull the needle way back for lots of paint, stay >close and move really fast. You can give another fast pass if needed or >move away if it went on heavy. On single stage paints this allows >completing the coat and tying in the wet edge at the starting point. May >not be needed with polytone, but did it by habit. Perhaps this why it >covered so well. Ron NB Or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:03 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Re: Aeroelectric Seminar at Prescott --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley Note: forwarded message attached. X-Apparently-To: dan@azshowersolutions.com via 68.142.225.201; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:46:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.116.0.229] Authentication-Results: mta103.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=cableone.net; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 24.116.0.229 (EHLO S3.cableone.net) (24.116.0.229) by mta103.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:46:24 -0800 Received: from [24.119.18.113] (unverified [24.119.18.113]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 43860140 for multiple; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:11:57 -0700 References: From: John Ackerman Subject: Re: Aeroelectric Seminar at Prescott phantomphixer@adelphia.net, dave@davebarnhart.com, eaa228@yahoo.com, marleo@c2i2.com, jjones@uneedspeed.net, paysonairport@usa.net, Billingsley Dan , philcancook@cybertrails.com, paul.rachels@navy.mil, jack@lawless.cc, ronaero@citlink.net, dmvidrine@direcway.com, martinohomes@commspeed.net, mphpkns@tabletoptelephone.com, Parkes Tom , mbcastle@frontiernet.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 285, in=172, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.18.113 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net The Prescott Seminar is now on Bob's AeroElectric site. You can sign up very easily by going to: http://aeroelectric.com/seminars/Prescott.html No prepayment required - in fact you will only have to pay what you really feel the seminar was worth if you don't think it was worth the $150.00! On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:28 PM, John Ackerman wrote: > Hello! > > Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric Connection fame will be putting on a > two-day seminar/workshop at Prescott Airport (Love field, KPRC) on May > 20 and 21, sponsored by EAA chapter 658. Bob is arguably the foremost > authority on homebuilt aircraft electrical systems. His approach is > highly practical, and is based on sound engineering principles and a > scientific attitude. > > Seminar emphasis is on reliable and non-noisy systems. Details can be > found on Bob's web site: > http://www.aeroelectric.com/ > Just click on Weekend Seminars. Content will range from theory to > hands-on demonstrations. > > You can sign up on the web site. The Prescott event may not be up yet > when you get there, but I expect it will be soon. The web site is a > gold mine of useful information, but be warned -you can spend a lot of > time there! The seminar is based on the Aeroelectric Connection book. > Studying this resource in advance will multiply the benefit of the > seminar; there's a special price for seminar attendees . Just add a > request for immediate mailing in the comments box of the reservation > form. > > We will have AM coffee and a lunch on Saturday, Dutch treat. We will > arrange a place for all interested participants to dine on Saturday > night from among the many excellent restaurants in the area. We are > currently working on a spouses' program; there are a number of museums > and other attractions in the Prescott area. We hope to have a special > rate available at the motel across highway 89 from the airport. There > are a number of motels and hotels of varying degrees of luxury in the > area. > > The cost of the seminar is $150, but Bob's policy is "If you don't > think it was worth $150 after the seminar, just pay me what you think > it WAS worth". Chapter 658 will make nothing on the seminar, and will > stand for the Coffee and doughnuts. We will pass the hat for the > lunch. > > Will you kindly forward this message to your chapter members? > > Please don't hesitate to call if you have questions or suggestions - > home phone is 928-759-9279 and mobile is 928-308-0471. We're looking > forward to seeing you at the seminar! > > Best regards. > John Ackerman chapter 461 > Dan Billingsley chapter 228 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:26 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels If you are getting water when you spray, even using a water separator there is a trick. This usually happens when you spray a lot and the compressor and the air gets hot. The water does not come out of the air till it cools, like coming out of the gun. I got an extra hose and coiled most of it in a bucket of ice water, then put my water trap after that hose. This cools the air so the trap can take it out. I like the Sharp gun. Remember that the size of the tip is critical, so match it to what you are spraying. Any of the Poly stuff you can use a 1.5 or primer type gun, but urethane requires a smaller tip. Guy Buchanan wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > >At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: > > >>I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only >>need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even >>exists) >>Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don >>Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. >> >> > >I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to do >it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is a >pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes more >wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because >some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the >air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a >gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time. > >gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've >never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. >Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the >bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of >paint without having to dry the agent. > >2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then >between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than >using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses. > > >Guy > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Thanks, Jim- Maybe I'll remove the glass filters a little later on, too, but for now, after having re-Kreemed the tanks, I want to see what's flowing down to the header tank. Just for the history of it, my 1994 IV is just now coming together after being owned by three previous owners, and I'm the first to get it past the "bare bones" stage. Therefore, the tanks were virgins, and Frank Miller said last year that they should be re-Kreemed, so I did that. So when the time came for the first splash of gas, I really needed to satisfy myself that the system was clean, hence the glass filters. I've always had good luck with them on automotive installations in the past, then I began reading the archives which revealed some folks having problems with them. Also, I don't have a gascolator, using the header tank for that purpose, and taking my gas sample from the bottom of that header tank. I ran a flow test and that revealed 8.5 gals. per hour gravity at the fuel inlet to the Jabiru fuel pump, so I'm well within the parameters for flow...way more than that if I turn on the aux. pump. If I do install another filter (before the aux. pump) it would be to catch anything that got by the header tank. Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 02:25 PM, James Shumaker wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker > > > Hi Lynn > > After years of flying with the glass purolator just before the > carbs, I got bored with seeing the same thing over and over. I > considered the screwed together glass case to be a weak point and so > now use a cheap STEEL automotive fuel filter. This filter is after > the gascolator screen and is changed annually. > > Remember, the more devices you have in line the more flow > restrictions. > > Jim Shumaker > > > Lynn Matteson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel > filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news > regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found > pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the > header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I > would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind > the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the > Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators > website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but > they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, > can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see > what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap > plastic automotive filters. > > Lynn > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Did you reinforce the trailing edge of the wing with 3/8" aluminum tubing per the later Classic IV manual? I did and I used 310F for all my shrinking. Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 05:15 PM, Alan & Linda Daniels wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels > > > On the 5,6,7 I use 325/350 in most places. On cold days the fabric > seems > a little loose when I didn't fully shrink. The trailing edge of the > wing > seems to be the place you have to watch. The Poly system is dead > simple, > but there are a few tricks. Were in Oregon are you, I am in eastern > Oregon. > > Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:39 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Alan I am in North Bend (oth) next to Coos Bay. Ron NB Or do not archive >From: Alan & Linda Daniels >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:15:15 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels > > >On the 5,6,7 I use 325/350 in most places. On cold days the fabric seems >a little loose when I didn't fully shrink. The trailing edge of the wing >seems to be the place you have to watch. The Poly system is dead simple, >but there are a few tricks. Were in Oregon are you, I am in eastern Oregon > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:30 PM PST US From: "Jay Fabian" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4-1200 For Sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" Hi List, I just wanted to let everyone know that I am selling my 2001 Kitfox 4-1200 . Here are a few of the specs: I am in Mass. It is a Kitfox 4-1200, 912UL, 135 hours TT, 3 blade warp drive ground adj, BRS, oil cooler, baggage sack, Tundra tires, matco tail wheel, Microair radio, transponder,GPS,Intercom, ELT, blue and wht paint , Built in 2001, Bubble doors , windsheild, and turtledeck. Wheelan strobes and Nav lights, droop tips,Speed mods.... Asking $37,000. I have pics if needed. Any other questions just let me know, Thanks Jay Fabian ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:39 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have saved to my desktop the video of Jimmy Franklin doing aerobatics in the Skystar Speedster. It is on lazair.com under kitfox videos. If anyone has not seen this I think you will be amazed. I hope he is still doing these graceful moves. Can anyone remember who the pilots were that had the mishap up north last year? It seems that somewhere in Canada we lost a former Kifox aerobatic pilot while performing in another aircraft. I purchased the Kitfox vids that were available a while back and enjoy all I can see. Soon I hope to post some of our coast as seen through the eyes of a Kitfox. I hope it's not seen as heiracy, but lazair is the only place to post, and view, video I think. Ron North Bend Oregon ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I used the Polyfiber products throughout, with their enamel for the metal and f'glas parts. The enamel must be shot over their epoxy primer. In the case of my flaperon horn brackets, I got this advice: Shoot the brackets with epoxy primer, then while it is still wet, shoot with polybrush. Shooting into the wet primer makes a transition from the epoxy primer to the polybrush, and eventually the polyspray, and finally the polytone. I chose to do this because I wanted to rivet the brackets on before shooting anything on my wings, so that my brackets would be a matching color, and the rivet heads would be painted. I've seen too many that were riveted on after painting and they don't look so good. Lynn On Friday, January 20, 2006, at 05:30 PM, Gary Olson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gary Olson > > I am starting to plan for the painting of my S7. I have read the > Polyfiber manual completely and am wondering what kind of success > everyone else has had using this method. What kind of process would > you guys recomend to paint the aluminum and fiberglass? I am going to > use a Polytone paint. How much is required to do the job? > > Thanks, > Gary Olson > > > --------------------------------- > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your > hands ASAP. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:36 PM PST US From: "Ronald K. Stevens" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" Unfortunately, Jimmy Franklin was killed along with another pilot during an airshow performance this past year. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have saved to my desktop the video of Jimmy Franklin doing aerobatics in the Skystar Speedster. It is on lazair.com under kitfox videos. If anyone has not seen this I think you will be amazed. I hope he is still doing these graceful moves. Can anyone remember who the pilots were that had the mishap up north last year? It seems that somewhere in Canada we lost a former Kifox aerobatic pilot while performing in another aircraft. I purchased the Kitfox vids that were available a while back and enjoy all I can see. Soon I hope to post some of our coast as seen through the eyes of a Kitfox. I hope it's not seen as heiracy, but lazair is the only place to post, and view, video I think. Ron North Bend Oregon ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:45 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" That is a great video...I was at Osh when he did that show. Jimmy was killed last year at an airshow in a collision. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Don- I bought an HVLP conversion gun through F&M Enterprises, who were the Polyfiber people several years ago out in El Toro, CA. This gun uses a regular air compressor but you regulate it down to 10 psi. It worked beautifully for shooting my plane. It has a hopper/gravity feed and holds about 20 oz. I bought it when I was living in California back in about 2000. My gun is a model 38308 by Central Pneumatic, and was distributed by Harbor Freight Tools. Cost was about $70. There are probably others out there by now. The beauty of it is you use up every drop of paint in the hopper, and if you run short pour in another ounce and finish the job. Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > > Hi Smokey, I've just read your post and since I will > be ready to paint my M4 Speedster in the spring I have > a question or two for you. What model is your kit, and > what type of HLVP unit did you use, was it a complete > system or just a gun using a standard air compressor. > I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only > need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even > exists) > Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don > Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. > --- Brett Walmsley wrote: > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:46 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Ron, It was Jimmie doing the "Masters of Disasters" routine.. a simulation of a WWII dog fight... with another airshow legend Bobby Younkin.. and Jim LeRoy flying "Bulldog" Both Jimmie and Younkin died in a midair... Have a Safe New Year !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ron schick Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I have saved to my desktop the video of Jimmy Franklin doing aerobatics in the Skystar Speedster. It is on lazair.com under kitfox videos. If anyone has not seen this I think you will be amazed. I hope he is still doing these graceful moves. Can anyone remember who the pilots were that had the mishap up north last year? It seems that somewhere in Canada we lost a former Kifox aerobatic pilot while performing in another aircraft. I purchased the Kitfox vids that were available a while back and enjoy all I can see. Soon I hope to post some of our coast as seen through the eyes of a Kitfox. I hope it's not seen as heiracy, but lazair is the only place to post, and view, video I think. Ron North Bend Oregon ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: paint hoses- water trap From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Hi Ron- On my HVLP conversion gun, I used 25 feet of hose to lower temperature of compressed air, then through a regulator/filter set to 40 psi, then 15 feet of hose to gun which has an attached pressure regulator set to 10 psi...works great. Watch that humidity, Ron...Polyfiber tells me no higher than 70%. I can't imagine Oregon at less than that...is it? Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 04:32 PM, ron schick wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > I have 50' hose to water trap which I leave barely hissing then 50' > more to > workshop then 25' to gun. The first 50' acts as a condensor for water > separation. 50-60 psi at compressor gives good consistant gun > pressure. > HVLP may require a secondary tank near gun. Raining cats and dogs in > Oregon, but painting anyway. Ron NB Or > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:27 PM PST US From: "Rich Williamson" Subject: Kitfox-List: Who was looking for Purolator Fuel Filter?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" http://mikes.automated-shops.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=3D1456&p_catid=3D133 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:11 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" I was afraid to hear the replys. We have indeed lost one of the greats. When I pull the first loop in my speedster I will be poorly attempting his style. Thanks for the info. Ron NB Or do not archive >From: "jdmcbean" >To: >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:08:00 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > >Ron, > It was Jimmie doing the "Masters of Disasters" routine.. a simulation of a >WWII dog fight... with another airshow legend Bobby Younkin.. and Jim LeRoy >flying "Bulldog" Both Jimmie and Younkin died in a midair... > >Have a Safe New Year !! >John & Debra McBean >www.sportplanellc.com >"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ron schick >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin aerobatic video > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > I have saved to my desktop the video of Jimmy Franklin doing aerobatics >in >the Skystar Speedster. It is on lazair.com under kitfox videos. If anyone >has not seen this I think you will be amazed. I hope he is still doing >these >graceful moves. Can anyone remember who the pilots were that had the >mishap >up north last year? It seems that somewhere in Canada we lost a former >Kifox aerobatic pilot while performing in another aircraft. > I purchased the Kitfox vids that were available a while back and enjoy >all >I can see. Soon I hope to post some of our coast as seen through the eyes >of a Kitfox. I hope it's not seen as heiracy, but lazair is the only place >to post, and view, video I think. Ron North Bend Oregon > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Who was looking for Purolator Fuel Filter?? From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Thanks for the address, Rich. Lynn do not archive On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 07:12 PM, Rich Williamson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > > > http://mikes.automated-shops.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/ > st_prod.html?p_prodid=3D1456&p_catid=3D133 > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:22 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" I went to 350 everywhere. I also put stiffeners in trailing edge of wing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: fabric temp/ paint > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > What temps have been used to shrink the fabric? I could not bring myself > to > go 350 on the fuselage as it was starting to deform the longerons. now I > am > ready for final shrinking on the tail group and want it as tight as > possible. > I used almost one gallon of polybrush on fuselage, and almost as much > polyspray. The white however covered well with the first coat and the > second coat was a formality. barely over a half gallon. Is there any > advantage to more color? I have HVLP but used my old bottom feeder for > this > as I have more experience with the older style. Not a technique for > beginers, but on autos I pull the needle way back for lots of paint, stay > close and move really fast. You can give another fast pass if needed or > move away if it went on heavy. On single stage paints this allows > completing the coat and tying in the wet edge at the starting point. May > not be needed with polytone, but did it by habit. Perhaps this why it > covered so well. Ron NB Or > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:36 PM PST US From: "Brett Walmsley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" poly-tone ----- Original Message ----- From: "eccles" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" > > Hey guys > jumping in with my two cents , what kind of paint are you spraying > aerothane > or polytone for the final coats? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:48 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: >>I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only >>need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even >>exists) >>Any comments you may have would be a great help. Don >>Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada. > > I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to > do > it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is > a > pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes > more > wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because > some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the > air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a > gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time. > > gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've > never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. > Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the > bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of > paint without having to dry the agent. > > 2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then > between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than > using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses. > > > Guy > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:56 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi Lynn, I have been uing the Purolater type glass filters since 1998 and like them. It was by looking at the filter that I was able to confirm that the right tank was sucked dry after a mis tightened fuel cap. I am curious about the problems mentioned in the archives. Can you elaborate a bit on what was mentioned. I have been on the list since about 1995 and don't remember anything that discouraged my use of them. Thanks, Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Thanks, Jim- > Maybe I'll remove the glass filters a little later on, too, but for > now, after having re-Kreemed the tanks, I want to see what's flowing > down to the header tank. Just for the history of it, my 1994 IV is just > now coming together after being owned by three previous owners, and I'm > the first to get it past the "bare bones" stage. Therefore, the tanks > were virgins, and Frank Miller said last year that they should be > re-Kreemed, so I did that. So when the time came for the first splash > of gas, I really needed to satisfy myself that the system was clean, > hence the glass filters. I've always had good luck with them on > automotive installations in the past, then I began reading the archives > which revealed some folks having problems with them. Also, I don't have > a gascolator, using the header tank for that purpose, and taking my gas > sample from the bottom of that header tank. I ran a flow test and that > revealed 8.5 gals. per hour gravity at the fuel inlet to the Jabiru > fuel pump, so I'm well within the parameters for flow...way more than > that if I turn on the aux. pump. If I do install another filter (before > the aux. pump) it would be to catch anything that got by the header > tank. > > Lynn > > On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 02:25 PM, James Shumaker wrote: > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker >> >> >> Hi Lynn >> >> After years of flying with the glass purolator just before the >> carbs, I got bored with seeing the same thing over and over. I >> considered the screwed together glass case to be a weak point and so >> now use a cheap STEEL automotive fuel filter. This filter is after >> the gascolator screen and is changed annually. >> >> Remember, the more devices you have in line the more flow >> restrictions. >> >> Jim Shumaker >> >> >> >> Lynn Matteson wrote: >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson >> >> I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel >> filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news >> regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found >> pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the >> header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I >> would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind >> the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the >> Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators >> website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but >> they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, >> can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see >> what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap >> plastic automotive filters. >> >> Lynn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: paint hoses- water trap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels The Poly stuff is a little different than many paints in that humidity speeds the drying. I have seen people wet the floor of the paint area on a warm day and try and spray polytone with interesting results. It looked like there were spider webs everywhere. It was drying before it hit the plane and caused all sorts of a mess. Blush retarder can really help. Lynn Matteson wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > >Hi Ron- >On my HVLP conversion gun, I used 25 feet of hose to lower temperature >of compressed air, then through a regulator/filter set to 40 psi, then >15 feet of hose to gun which has an attached pressure regulator set to >10 psi...works great. Watch that humidity, Ron...Polyfiber tells me no >higher than 70%. I can't imagine Oregon at less than that...is it? > >Lynn > >On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 04:32 PM, ron schick wrote: > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" >> >> >>I have 50' hose to water trap which I leave barely hissing then 50' >>more to >>workshop then 25' to gun. The first 50' acts as a condensor for water >>separation. 50-60 psi at compressor gives good consistant gun >>pressure. >>HVLP may require a secondary tank near gun. Raining cats and dogs in >>Oregon, but painting anyway. Ron NB Or >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:53 PM PST US From: "wingsdown" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Drain valves --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" Yes. If you have a header tank there are called 1/8 pipe plugs. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Drain valves --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" --> Can someone tell me the number for the wing tank drain valves. Thanks ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Lowell- My original search today came up with a thread of about Oct 27, 2004, right about the time that I first came on board here. It was in relation to the glass fuel filters, and you were one of the participants. I just got done with another search, and came up with the possible reason that I haven't been able to find the Purolator fuel filters any more. I'll reprint what I found under the Zenith-list at matronics dated March 24, 2005: Start of quote: Very recently, I referred to a search for a Purolator "See Through" Fuel Filter in a posting. This filter was eventually located and found to be a *Purolator Pro-Fuel Filter*. In the Google perusal of articles on this filter, I found that *there is a recall of this filter series* because the polylmer used for the housing in the suspect fuel filters may not be compatible with ethanol and other chemicals sometimes found in fuel systems. If the housing leaks, you could have a fire. In another listed instance, an aircraft builder's filter leaked and it was on negative pressure, sucked air and his engine quit on takeoff due to fuel starvation. Subsequent replacement of this item was found to be difficult as the replacement product was re-marked as Made in USA and it was obviously made in Taiwan. The latter didn't even exhibit the necessary quality found on the failed original filter made in the US. So much for the Purolator Company and their filters. I didn't want to have misled anyone into using this filter on their plane just because the basic concept embodied what I'd like to have found in one.......... Pleased to have found this, but immensely disappointed that the trend of once good products are disappearing and being re-mfg as similiar, but inferior items from offshore that could get you killed. Please be aware and *do not use the Purolator Part Numbers 804, 805, 806 and NAPA 624804, 624805 and 624806 part numbers*. End of quote. So you see, Lowell, this is what got me to worrying again today, and also explains why I haven't been able to find the Purolator filters that I like so much. I bought a Mr. Gasket filter, and it was junk...very inferior glass tube body, with rough edges where it contacts the rubber seals, really poor imitation of the filter that Purolator made, and it incorporated plastic end-nipples that screwed into the end caps, rather than the one-piece, barbed end caps of the original design, and it was made in China...(not that there's anything wrong with that : ) ) Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 09:40 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Hi Lynn, > > I have been uing the Purolater type glass filters since 1998 and like > them. > It was by looking at the filter that I was able to confirm that the > right > tank was sucked dry after a mis tightened fuel cap. > > I am curious about the problems mentioned in the archives. Can you > elaborate a bit on what was mentioned. I have been on the list since > about > 1995 and don't remember anything that discouraged my use of them. > > Thanks, > > Lowell > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: paint hoses- water trap From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson That's probably why my Polyfiber rep told me to not spray at 70% humidity or over. I was lucky that most of my spraying was done at about 60%, and at less than about 70 degrees...and at one point at 2 am, just to get that last coat on and done with! Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Alan & Linda Daniels wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels > > > The Poly stuff is a little different than many paints in that humidity > speeds the drying. I have seen people wet the floor of the paint area > on > a warm day and try and spray polytone with interesting results. It > looked like there were spider webs everywhere. It was drying before it > hit the plane and caused all sorts of a mess. Blush retarder can really > help. > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:36 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purolator fuel filters revisited --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker Lynn I did it for the sames reasons. Now that I've washed all the Kream out a couple of times there is nothing left to look at...so they have been removed. Jim Shumaker Lynn Matteson wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Thanks, Jim- Maybe I'll remove the glass filters a little later on, too, but for now, after having re-Kreemed the tanks, I want to see what's flowing down to the header tank. Just for the history of it, my 1994 IV is just now coming together after being owned by three previous owners, and I'm the first to get it past the "bare bones" stage. Therefore, the tanks were virgins, and Frank Miller said last year that they should be re-Kreemed, so I did that. So when the time came for the first splash of gas, I really needed to satisfy myself that the system was clean, hence the glass filters. I've always had good luck with them on automotive installations in the past, then I began reading the archives which revealed some folks having problems with them. Also, I don't have a gascolator, using the header tank for that purpose, and taking my gas sample from the bottom of that header tank. I ran a flow test and that revealed 8.5 gals. per hour gravity at the fuel inlet to the Jabiru fuel pump, so I'm well within the parameters for flow...way more than that if I turn on the aux. pump. If I do install another filter (before the aux. pump) it would be to catch anything that got by the header tank. Lynn On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 02:25 PM, James Shumaker wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker > > > Hi Lynn > > After years of flying with the glass purolator just before the > carbs, I got bored with seeing the same thing over and over. I > considered the screwed together glass case to be a weak point and so > now use a cheap STEEL automotive fuel filter. This filter is after > the gascolator screen and is changed annually. > > Remember, the more devices you have in line the more flow > restrictions. > > Jim Shumaker > > > Lynn Matteson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > I just spent a few hours researching the Purolator glass in-line fuel > filter subject, and was wondering if there was any recent news > regarding this subject. I perused several Matronics lists and found > pros and cons on the subject. I have then in my fuel lines down to the > header tank, and have been taxiing my plane with no problems so far. I > would like to install another after the header tank, which is behind > the seat, but before the auxiliary fuel pump. It seems that locally the > Purolators are no longer available, nor do they show up on Purolators > website, and everyone tries to sell me a Mr. Gasket look-alike, but > they are of VERY poor quality compared to the Purolator product. So, > can anybody shed some new light on this subject? I'd really like to see > what the filter is trapping, and don't like the idea of those cheap > plastic automotive filters. > > Lynn > >