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1. 01:23 AM - Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:37 AM - Tow bar vs trailer (Larry Martin)
3. 06:53 AM - Foam Gap Seal (Kathy & Dick Toomey)
4. 09:49 AM - S7 oil cooler mounting instructions (kitfoxpilot)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: Foam Gap Seal (Lynn Matteson)
6. 12:07 PM - Re: S7 oil cooler mounting instructions (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 05:27 PM - Re: Tow Bar (James Shumaker)
8. 06:38 PM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (Jim Corner)
9. 06:44 PM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (Herbert R Gottelt)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Kitfox on ski technique |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
Yesterday was the first nice day this year and I went flying. I used the opportunity
to do some touch and go, with my skis, on the snow, on the shoulders of
the runway. It didn't go very well.
There was about a good foot of powdery snow with a thin crust of ice on the top.
Because I don't have a ski on the tailwheel, I try to land on two wheels, tail
up. But then, the drag (wheel penetration skis) in the snow is such as the
nose tend to go down. Normal reaction is to pull the stick. But then the AoA increases
and the plane is airborne again, to fall back in the snow a few yards
away. It felt like the bad landings I did when I learnt to fly my tailwheel Kitfox.
I did four such bad snow landings then gave up. I can't find the proper technique.
Should I do a three-points landing? Do you, guys, have a ski on your tailwheel?
How do you attach it?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tow bar vs trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Hi,
I got a tow bar with my airplane and live only one country mile from the field.
I used the tow bar a couple times and I did not like the stress that it appeared
to put on the tail post area of the airplane,especially in a turn, nor
did I enjoy the stress that it put on me. Though I keep the airplane at the field,
I bought a boat trailer and did a real rudimentary modification and only
have about $100. in the whole thing. It is easier and less stressful on me and
the airplane with it on the trailer. You still have to observe the normal
towing limitations with regard to fuel in wing, control surfaces, etc. I use
it to bring the plane home for extended maintenance and it is made in such a manner
that other airplanes would easily be accommodated on it, so other can use
it.
Larry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kathy & Dick Toomey" <llltoome@gvtel.com>
Has anyone ever installed the foam gap seals on a Kitfox Classic IV that come with
the kit? If so do you have instructions for installation, also will MEK destroy
them in the covering process?
Dick Toomey
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| Subject: | S7 oil cooler mounting instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" <kitfoxpilot@comcast.net>
Does anyone have a copy of the oil cooler installation instructions for the Series
7? I have a Kitfox Sport (aka Series 7) and the engine installation instructions
for the Rotax 912S don't include the oil cooler installation instructions.
Scott Miller
Kitfox Sport (S7)
Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Foam Gap Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I didn't use that material for the gap seal, because I made an
airfoiled vertical stab. and rudder, so the gap seal wasn't necessary.
But I did use the material for the top of the rudder and vertical
stab., however. I epoxied it in place, laminating it to the width that
I needed, then used Hysol to smooth out the surface, and covered with
Polyfiber cloth and the usual products. So in that application, the
MEK did not get a chance to attack the gap seal material. To be safe,
do a test of MEK on a hidden area to be sure.
Lynn
On Monday, January 30, 2006, at 09:53 AM, Kathy & Dick Toomey wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kathy & Dick Toomey"
> <llltoome@gvtel.com>
>
> Has anyone ever installed the foam gap seals on a Kitfox Classic IV
> that come with the kit? If so do you have instructions for
> installation, also will MEK destroy them in the covering process?
>
> Dick Toomey
>
>
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| Subject: | S7 oil cooler mounting instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Scott,
I bought the oil cooler later, but assume that it is the same as what you
have.
I got no instructions with it, but I looked at pictures to decide what to
do. I think one of those pictures was on Skystar's online catalog. Check
Lazair site or John McBean's site. Otherwise Google "kitfox" images.
Randy Series 5/7 912S
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Subject: Kitfox-List: S7 oil cooler mounting instructions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" <kitfoxpilot@comcast.net>
Does anyone have a copy of the oil cooler installation instructions for the
Series 7? I have a Kitfox Sport (aka Series 7) and the engine installation
instructions for the Rotax 912S don't include the oil cooler installation
instructions.
Scott Miller
Kitfox Sport (S7)
Seattle
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
One more thing about towing Don,
I towed so much that the towbar began to bend on me and had to have plates welded
on to beef it up.
Jim shumaker
James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker
Don
I towed my Model III to the airport every time I flew for about 4 years. I used
up a few pairs of tires, but I thought that was cheaper than a trailer. And they
were the cheap atv tires that were only designed for about half the load.
When I got a set of cheap golf cart tires the load rating was much higher, the
rubber thicker and they lasted a couple of years or more. Hitching and unhitching
did not take long. Maybe 15 or 20 mintes at each end. Not much longer than
pulling it out of a hanger, or so I thought. But when I finally got a hanger
I discovered it up it really does add about an hour to each flight.
I also got a bit of hanger rash from storing it at home. Mostly nicks and scraps.
But there really is an added risk for damage every time you fold the wings
out and fold them in. When there is wind, the whole operation gets even dicier.
The day I lost the turtle deck over the top of the wing ( it missed the wing
but hit the engine cowl) was the day I decided that a hanger was not that expensive
after all.
Oh, and don't tow with the tanks full of fuel. and make absolutely sure that that
you use the braces. The welded tabs can snap off so make sure that you have
a back up to the wing tip braces. Also, strap the elevator up (stick back with
the seat belts). That will help keep the wings from swinging open while towing.
Which leads to great damage.
Jim Shumaker
Donald STEVENSON wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
Hi again Everyone, Once I get my M4 Speedster finished
in late spring (I hope) I will be keeping it in my
garage at home as I live less then three miles from
our local airport and flying club, I was looking for
information an using the KitFox type tow bar that
attaches to the rear of the a/c. I would love to hear
from anyone who has used one, either good or bad. I'm
not sure if I should go this route of should consider
a modified boat trailer. Maybe your comments will help
make up my mind. Thanks, Don.
M4/1200-912 Speedster
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on ski technique |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
Michel
Many long years ago when I flew ski equipped Aeroncas, (no tail ski)
I was taught to land as if on wheels.
When you think about it, it will help to keep the aircraft straighter
on roll out and shorten landing distance.
Jim
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Yesterday was the first nice day this year and I went flying. I
> used the opportunity to do some touch and go, with my skis, on the
> snow, on the shoulders of the runway. It didn't go very well.
> There was about a good foot of powdery snow with a thin crust of
> ice on the top. Because I don't have a ski on the tailwheel, I try
> to land on two wheels, tail up. But then, the drag (wheel
> penetration skis) in the snow is such as the nose tend to go down.
> Normal reaction is to pull the stick. But then the AoA increases
> and the plane is airborne again, to fall back in the snow a few
> yards away. It felt like the bad landings I did when I learnt to
> fly my tailwheel Kitfox.
> I did four such bad snow landings then gave up. I can't find the
> proper technique. Should I do a three-points landing? Do you, guys,
> have a ski on your tailwheel? How do you attach it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on ski technique |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
I had a similar experience with home-made wheel penetrating skis.
The snow was very deep. Upon trying to land, the Fox decellerated very fast,
in fact so fast that I was afraid to get airborn again. I had to use full power
to get off again before I stopped. The lack of a tail ski should not effect
the performance that much.
I think my problem was the wheels penetrated to far down, about 1-1/2" below
the skis, and the gap between the tires front and back were too large for snow
to accumulate. I took the skis off, waiting for modification, if I ever feel
like it.
Herb Gottelt, M4-1200,912UL,
Mt. Prospect, IL
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Hello guys,
Yesterday was the first nice day this year and I went flying. I used the opportunity
to do some touch and go, with my skis, on the snow, on the shoulders of
the runway. It didn't go very well.
There was about a good foot of powdery snow with a thin crust of ice on the top.
Because I don't have a ski on the tailwheel, I try to land on two wheels, tail
up. But then, the drag (wheel penetration skis) in the snow is such as the
nose tend to go down. Normal reaction is to pull the stick. But then the AoA increases
and the plane is airborne again, to fall back in the snow a few yards
away. It felt like the bad landings I did when I learnt to fly my tailwheel Kitfox.
I did four such bad snow landings then gave up. I can't find the proper technique.
Should I do a three-points landing? Do you, guys, have a ski on your tailwheel?
How do you attach it?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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