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Tue 01/31/06


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 02:37 AM - Rebuild progress. (Graeme Toft)
     2. 04:56 AM - Re: Foam Gap Seal (DC91840@aol.com)
     3. 07:00 AM - SV: Rebuild progress. (Michel Verheughe)
     4. 07:00 AM - SV: Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
     5. 11:04 AM - Pimer tap point 582 (Dill Family)
     6. 11:55 AM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (kurt schrader)
     7. 01:29 PM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
     8. 02:22 PM - Tow Bar (Donald STEVENSON)
     9. 02:22 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (AMuller589@aol.com)
    10. 02:38 PM - Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE (AMuller589@AOL.COM)
    11. 02:47 PM - Re: Pimer tap point 582 (Marco Menezes)
    12. 03:17 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (Ben Baltrusaitis)
    13. 03:18 PM - Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE (wingsdown)
    14. 05:58 PM - Kitfox on ski technique (Larry Martin)
    15. 06:23 PM - Jabiru Engines anyone? (michael burkhardt)
    16. 07:00 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Lynn Matteson)
    17. 07:54 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (QSS)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:37:23 AM PST US
    From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
    Subject: Rebuild progress.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im at with the rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this weekend after having a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former appearance and apart from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered today, the other instruments are either installed or ready to go in. The wing rebuild will be the last issue to deal with and parts are slowly being secured so Im happy to say that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege. Its just not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the computer I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate some feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub for a really good price. Cheers Graeme Toft


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    Time: 04:56:03 AM PST US
    From: DC91840@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Foam Gap Seal
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com Will try to e-mail the instructions to you for doing the vert. stab foam trailing edge. MEK will not harm it as it is eurethane.


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    Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Rebuild progress.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > From: Graeme Toft [msm@byterocky.net] > Sent: 2006-01-31 11:33:33 CET > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress. > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> >You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes a part of who you are until you > are deprived of the privilege. I try to imagine while hoping it never happens to me, Graeme. Good to hear that the rebuilding is under way. Flying again is only a matter of time, now. Good luck, Michel


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    Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Kitfox on ski technique
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > From: Herbert R Gottelt [gofalke@sbcglobal.net] > I had a similar experience with home-made wheel penetrating skis. Thank you Jim and Herb. The reason I am afraid to dig my tail in the snow when landing is that I am afraid it would sink so much in the snow that, the often frozen crust, would rip the fabric off the fuselage's end, lock the rudder and even damage the elevators. What do you think? Cheers, Michel


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    Time: 11:04:04 AM PST US
    From: "Dill Family" <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Pimer tap point 582
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net> I am plumbing the fuel system on my model 2 with 582. Is there any important reason why the primer line should tap off downstream of the console shutoff valve? Jeffrey R. Dill 767JD, M2 (860) 295-8372 home (860) 985-4315 cell I ______(_)______ O O


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    Time: 11:55:03 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox on ski technique
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Michel, I was given a picture last fall of a tail wheel ski made out of an aluminum dish pan. Your wheel sticks thru like the main wheels, but the dish pan keeps it from sinking into the snow. Brackets were made and riveted to the pan to attach it to the tail wheel assembly. The only problem I saw with the system is that you would not have help steering on the snow since the pan was a round dish shape. Only the rudder would be effective. Anyway, a very inexpensive tail wheel sky that worked for a Rans S-7 and might work for a Fox too. Unfortunately I am in Equador and not at my home computer to send the pic. Be back next week if you are interested in it, but I bet you could figure one out yourself by then. Just have to wait until your wife is out of the kitchen to grab a pan.... Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote: > Hello guys, > ............... > I did four such bad snow landings then gave up. I > can't find the proper technique. Should I do a > three-points landing? Do you, guys, have a ski on > your tailwheel? How do you attach it? > > Thanks in advance, > Michel


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    Time: 01:29:11 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox on ski technique
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Hello Kurt, On Jan 31, 2006, at 8:52 PM, kurt schrader wrote: > Brackets were made and riveted to the pan to attach it to the tail > wheel > assembly. I have seen something similar on a EuroCub but my worry is that, if the snow is soft enough, it would dig like a plough. I understand that, in the snow, the tailwheel won't steer at all. It's not a problem, to taxi, I have to give so much throttle that I usually do it on the main gear, tail up, using the rudder only. I was thinking of making something that would be ahead of the tailwheel, something I could attach to the cross pipe that is used to attach a dorsal fin, on seaplanes. That ski, or aluminium plate would then make sure that the snow won't reach up to the fuselage AND that no snow can accumulate on the top of that "ski." Any thoughts, anyone? > Unfortunately I am in Equador Entonces, que aprovechas tu viaje y hasta pronto! :-) Michel


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    Time: 02:22:54 PM PST US
    From: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
    Subject: Tow Bar
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source for one or have one made, I would also like some information on the proper towing brace for the wings etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much appreciated, Don Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada Model 4/1200-912 Speedster


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    Time: 02:22:54 PM PST US
    From: AMuller589@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rebuild progress.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com we used a IVO ground adjustable on our Subaru 3.2 liter and it is ok at cruise but NDG at climb .Our best climb rate after using many different prop pitches is about 45 fpm. Best fix we made on the Eggenfellner fuel injected non turbocharged was to punch a hole in the diaghragm of the original fuel pressure regulator to make it inop and install a ground adjustable fuel pressure regulator from Eggenfellner and set it accordingly. cruises like a scalded duck at 140mph (redline ) and about 25 inch manifold pressure and less than 7gph.. Still climbs like a dog no matter what prop pitch. I have no experience with your warp drive prop however for what it is worth Eggenfellner recommends Subaru engines use only in flight adjustable prop. In his RV kits I have been told by RV builders that he recommends setting full throttle for takeoff and reducing rpm with pitch changes leaving full throttle for cruise..


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    Time: 02:38:46 PM PST US
    From: AMuller589@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com regards subaru engine in kitfox V the climb rate should have beenstated as 450 fpm not 45 fpm


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    Time: 02:47:15 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Pimer tap point 582
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> IMHO You want your main fuel shut-off valve to do just that. If primer line branches off upstream of shutoff there will be, in theory, a full time 'wet' line to your engine. Admittedly it's a small diameter line and has to pass thru the primer pump but if pump failed, fuel could possibly drain into carbs with no way of shutting it off. Dill Family <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" I am plumbing the fuel system on my model 2 with 582. Is there any important reason why the primer line should tap off downstream of the console shutoff valve? Jeffrey R. Dill 767JD, M2 (860) 295-8372 home (860) 985-4315 cell I ______(_)______ O O Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with


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    Time: 03:17:32 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
    Subject: Re: Rebuild progress.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> Graeme, I have a three blade Warp Drive counter clockwise rotation on my Model 5 with EJ-22 and Ross Redrive. I am still experimenting with the cruise, but one morning at full gross, 480' field elevation, & 9 F. OAT, I was seeing 1900 fpm. In the summer, with two aboard, 85 degrees, and more of a cruise pitch, we were still seeing 1000 fpm. I haven't been impressed with cruise, but I still need to do some experimenting with pitch. I hope to get some cruise statistics by mid Feb. HTH Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Toft To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im at with the rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this weekend after having a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former appearance and apart from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered today, the other instruments are either installed or ready to go in. The wing rebuild will be the last issue to deal with and parts are slowly being secured so Im happy to say that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege. Its just not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the computer I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate some feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub for a really good price. Cheers Graeme Toft


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    Time: 03:18:46 PM PST US
    From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
    Subject: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net> I missed the thread, but add another 1000 if it's a turbo :) Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMuller589@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com regards subaru engine in kitfox V the climb rate should have beenstated as 450 fpm not 45 fpm


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    Time: 05:58:33 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
    Subject: Kitfox on ski technique
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> Michel, I have an Avid on ski's and I use the following method. I always take off and land with full flaperons. I also put a 5lb lead weight on the tail to offset the weight of the skis. I approach as per a normal 3 point landing, but just hold the tail off from touching and allow the mains to touch. I am usually adding power at this point. (about 3500 rpm Rotax 3:1) Snow does produce a fair amount of drag and it will want to tail up. Just hold the nose where you want it. If you lift off again, I would suggest that you may be too fast on touch down, and too brisk on the stick. I normally touch down at 40ish mph ias. It indicates a stall at 38ish. I would highly encourage the use of full flapperon to get the attitude more shallow. Some will say that you will lack aileron control, but I do not find this to be the case, but more rudder is needed to stay coordinated. The Avid flapperons are limited to 15 degrees ref a level wing. Hope this help. I have to run to pick up the kids. Larry


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    Time: 06:23:53 PM PST US
    From: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Jabiru Engines anyone?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com> Does anyone on the list have any experience with Jabiru engines, good bad or otherwise? Regards, Mike


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    Time: 07:00:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tow Bar
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> Hi Don- I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email. Lynn On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > <shericom@rogers.com> > > To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar > for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think > that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source > for one or have one made, I would also like some > information on the proper towing brace for the wings > etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much > appreciated, Don > > Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada > > Model 4/1200-912 Speedster > >


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    Time: 07:54:55 PM PST US
    From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
    Subject: Rebuild progress.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net> There great figures Ben and I'd be happy with that kind of performance in climb. It sounds like you're not entirely happy with cruise though. What do you feel you'll be able to get after some tweeking? My engine is the NSI EA81 which doesnt have the grunt you have but Im not as heavy either being a model 1V. Regards Graeme Toft -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> Graeme, I have a three blade Warp Drive counter clockwise rotation on my Model 5 with EJ-22 and Ross Redrive. I am still experimenting with the cruise, but one morning at full gross, 480' field elevation, & 9 F. OAT, I was seeing 1900 fpm. In the summer, with two aboard, 85 degrees, and more of a cruise pitch, we were still seeing 1000 fpm. I haven't been impressed with cruise, but I still need to do some experimenting with pitch. I hope to get some cruise statistics by mid Feb. HTH Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Toft To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im at with the rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this weekend after having a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former appearance and apart from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered today, the other instruments are either installed or ready to go in. The wing rebuild will be the last issue to deal with and parts are slowly being secured so Im happy to say that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege. Its just not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the computer I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate some feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub for a really good price. Cheers Graeme Toft -- 23/01/2006 -- 23/01/2006




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