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     1. 02:37 AM - Rebuild progress. (Graeme Toft)
     2. 04:56 AM - Re: Foam Gap Seal (DC91840@aol.com)
     3. 07:00 AM - SV: Rebuild progress. (Michel Verheughe)
     4. 07:00 AM - SV: Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
     5. 11:04 AM - Pimer tap point 582 (Dill Family)
     6. 11:55 AM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (kurt schrader)
     7. 01:29 PM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
     8. 02:22 PM - Tow Bar (Donald STEVENSON)
     9. 02:22 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (AMuller589@aol.com)
    10. 02:38 PM - Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE (AMuller589@AOL.COM)
    11. 02:47 PM - Re: Pimer tap point 582 (Marco Menezes)
    12. 03:17 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (Ben Baltrusaitis)
    13. 03:18 PM - Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE (wingsdown)
    14. 05:58 PM - Kitfox on ski technique (Larry Martin)
    15. 06:23 PM - Jabiru Engines anyone? (michael burkhardt)
    16. 07:00 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Lynn Matteson)
    17. 07:54 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (QSS)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Rebuild progress. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
      Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im at with the
      rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this weekend after having
      a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former appearance and apart
      from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered today, the other instruments are
      either installed or ready to go in. The wing rebuild will be the last issue to
      deal with and parts are slowly being secured so Im happy to say that the light
      at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate how
      much flying becomes a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege.
      Its just not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the computer
      I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground
      adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate some
      feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub for a really
      good price.
      
      Cheers 
      Graeme Toft
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Foam Gap Seal | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
      
      Will try to e-mail the instructions to you for
      doing the vert. stab foam trailing
      edge. MEK will not harm it as it is
      eurethane.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rebuild progress. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      > From: Graeme Toft [msm@byterocky.net]
      > Sent: 2006-01-31 11:33:33 CET
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
      > 
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      >You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes a part of who you are until
      you
      > are deprived of the privilege.
      
      I try to imagine while hoping it never happens to me, Graeme. Good to hear that
      the rebuilding is under way. Flying again is only a matter of time, now. Good
      luck,
      
      Michel
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Kitfox on ski technique | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      > From: Herbert R Gottelt [gofalke@sbcglobal.net]
      >   I had a similar experience with home-made wheel penetrating skis.
      
      Thank you Jim and Herb. The reason I am afraid to dig my tail in the snow when
      landing is that I am afraid it would sink so much in the snow that, the often
      frozen crust, would rip the fabric off the fuselage's end, lock the rudder and
      even damage the elevators. What do you think?
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pimer tap point 582 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net>
      
       I am plumbing the fuel system on my model 2 with 582. Is there any important reason
      why the primer line should tap off downstream of the console shutoff valve?
      
      Jeffrey R. Dill
      
      767JD, M2
      (860) 295-8372 home
      (860) 985-4315 cell
      
                  I
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            O        O
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox on ski technique | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Michel,
      
      I was given a picture last fall of a tail wheel ski
      made out of an aluminum dish pan.  Your wheel sticks
      thru like the main wheels, but the dish pan keeps it
      from sinking into the snow.  Brackets were made and
      riveted to the pan to attach it to the tail wheel
      assembly.  The only problem I saw with the system is
      that you would not have help steering on the snow
      since the pan was a round dish shape.  Only the rudder
      would be effective.
      
      Anyway, a very inexpensive tail wheel sky that worked
      for a Rans S-7 and might work for a Fox too. 
      Unfortunately I am in Equador and not at my home
      computer to send the pic.  Be back next week if you
      are interested in it, but I bet you could figure one
      out yourself by then.  Just have to wait until your
      wife is out of the kitchen to grab a pan....
      
      Kurt S.
      
      --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
      
      > Hello guys,
      > 
      ...............
      > I did four such bad snow landings then gave up. I
      > can't find the proper technique. Should I do a
      > three-points landing? Do you, guys, have a ski on
      > your tailwheel? How do you attach it?
      > 
      > Thanks in advance,
      > Michel
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox on ski technique | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Hello Kurt,
      
      On Jan 31, 2006, at 8:52 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
      > Brackets were made and riveted to the pan to attach it to the tail 
      > wheel
      > assembly.
      
      I have seen something similar on a EuroCub but my worry is that, if the 
      snow is soft enough, it would dig like a plough. I understand that, in 
      the snow, the tailwheel won't steer at all. It's not a problem, to 
      taxi, I have to give so much throttle that I usually do it on the main 
      gear, tail up, using the rudder only.
      I was thinking of making something that would be ahead of the 
      tailwheel, something I could attach to the cross pipe that is used to 
      attach a dorsal fin, on seaplanes. That ski, or aluminium plate would 
      then make sure that the snow won't reach up to the fuselage AND that no 
      snow can accumulate on the top of that "ski."
      Any thoughts, anyone?
      
      > Unfortunately I am in Equador
      
      Entonces, que aprovechas tu viaje y hasta pronto! :-)
      
      Michel
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
      
      To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
      for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you.         I think
      that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
      for one or have one made, I would also like some
      information on the  proper towing brace for the wings
      etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
      appreciated, Don
      
      Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
      
      Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rebuild progress. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
      
      we used a IVO ground adjustable on our Subaru 3.2 liter and it is ok at  
      cruise but NDG at climb .Our best climb rate after using many different prop  
      pitches is about 45 fpm. Best fix we made on the Eggenfellner fuel injected non
      
      turbocharged was to punch a hole in the diaghragm of the original fuel pressure
      
       regulator to make it inop and install a ground adjustable fuel pressure  
      regulator from Eggenfellner and set it accordingly. cruises like a scalded duck
      
      at 140mph (redline ) and about 25 inch manifold pressure and less than  7gph..
      
       Still climbs like a dog no matter what prop pitch. I have no  experience 
      with your warp drive prop however for what it is worth Eggenfellner  recommends
      
      Subaru engines use only in flight adjustable prop. In his RV kits I  have been
      
      told by RV builders that he recommends setting full throttle for  takeoff and 
      reducing rpm with pitch changes leaving full throttle for  cruise..
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
      
      regards subaru engine in kitfox V the climb rate should have beenstated as  
      450 fpm not 45 fpm
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pimer tap point 582 | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
      
      IMHO You want your main fuel shut-off valve to do just that. If primer line branches
      off upstream of shutoff there will be, in theory, a full time 'wet' line
      to your engine. Admittedly it's a small diameter line and has to pass thru the
      primer pump but if pump failed, fuel could possibly drain into carbs with no
      way of shutting it off.
         
        
      
      Dill Family <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" 
      
      I am plumbing the fuel system on my model 2 with 582. Is there any important reason
      why the primer line should tap off downstream of the console shutoff valve?
      
      Jeffrey R. Dill
      
      767JD, M2
      (860) 295-8372 home
      (860) 985-4315 cell
      
      I
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      O O
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
        
      
      
      
      Marco Menezes
      Model 2 582 N99KX
      		
      ---------------------------------
      Bring words and photos together (easily) with
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rebuild progress. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      Graeme,
      I have a three blade Warp Drive counter clockwise rotation on my Model 5 with EJ-22
      and Ross Redrive. I am still experimenting with the cruise, but one morning
      at full gross, 480' field elevation, & 9 F. OAT, I was seeing 1900 fpm.
      In the summer, with two aboard, 85 degrees, and more of a cruise pitch, we were
      still seeing 1000 fpm.
      I haven't been impressed with cruise, but I still need to do some experimenting
      with pitch.
      I hope to get some cruise statistics by mid Feb.
      HTH
      Ben
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Graeme Toft
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 AM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
        Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im at with
      the rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this weekend after
      having a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former appearance and apart
      from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered today, the other instruments are
      either installed or ready to go in. The wing rebuild will be the last issue
      to deal with and parts are slowly being secured so Im happy to say that the light
      at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate
      how much flying becomes a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege.
      Its just not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the
      computer I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground
      adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate some
      feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub for a really
      good price.
      
        Cheers
        Graeme Toft
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
      
      I missed the thread, but add another 1000 if it's a turbo :)
      
      Rick
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      AMuller589@aol.com
      Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:37 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.CORRECTION ON CLIMB RATE
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
      
      regards subaru engine in kitfox V the climb rate should have beenstated
      as  
      450 fpm not 45 fpm
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Kitfox on ski technique | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
      
      
      
      Michel,
      
        I have an Avid on ski's and I use the following method.  I always take off and
      land with full flaperons.  I also put a 5lb lead weight on the tail to offset
      the weight of the skis.  I approach as per a normal 3 point landing, but just
      hold the tail off from touching and allow the mains to touch. I am usually adding
      power at this point. (about 3500 rpm Rotax 3:1)  Snow does produce a fair
      amount of drag and it will want to tail up.  Just hold the nose where you want
      it.  If you lift off again, I would suggest that you may be too fast on touch
      down, and too brisk on the stick.  I normally touch down at 40ish mph ias.
      It indicates a stall at 38ish.  I would highly encourage the use of full flapperon
      to get the attitude more  shallow.  Some will say that you will lack aileron
      control, but I do not find this to be the case, but more rudder is needed
      to stay coordinated.  The Avid flapperons are limited to 15 degrees ref a level
      wing.
      
      Hope this help.  I have to run to pick up the kids.
      Larry
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Jabiru Engines anyone? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
      
      Does anyone on the list have any experience with
      Jabiru engines, good bad or otherwise?  Regards, Mike
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      
      Hi Don-
      I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
      
      Lynn
      On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20  PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON 
      > <shericom@rogers.com>
      >
      > To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
      > for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you.         I think
      > that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
      > for one or have one made, I would also like some
      > information on the  proper towing brace for the wings
      > etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
      > appreciated, Don
      >
      > Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
      >
      > Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rebuild progress. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
      There great figures Ben and I'd be happy with that kind of performance
      in climb. It sounds like you're not entirely happy with cruise though.
      What do you feel you'll be able to get after some tweeking? My engine is
      the NSI EA81 which doesnt have the grunt you have but Im not as heavy
      either being a model 1V.
      
      Regards
      Graeme Toft
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Baltrusaitis
      Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 9:15 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis"
      <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      Graeme,
      I have a three blade Warp Drive counter clockwise rotation on my Model 5
      with EJ-22 and Ross Redrive. I am still experimenting with the cruise,
      but one morning at full gross, 480' field elevation, & 9 F. OAT, I was
      seeing 1900 fpm.
      In the summer, with two aboard, 85 degrees, and more of a cruise pitch,
      we were still seeing 1000 fpm.
      I haven't been impressed with cruise, but I still need to do some
      experimenting with pitch.
      I hope to get some cruise statistics by mid Feb.
      HTH
      Ben
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Graeme Toft
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 AM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
        Hi Guys, for those who asked me to keep them up to speed on where Im
      at with the rebuild I am happy to say that the engine goes back in this
      weekend after having a rebuild. The panel is slowly regaining its former
      appearance and apart from a tacho and altimeter which were ordered
      today, the other instruments are either installed or ready to go in. The
      wing rebuild will be the last issue to deal with and parts are slowly
      being secured so Im happy to say that the light at the end of the tunnel
      is getting brighter. You really dont appreciate how much flying becomes
      a part of who you are until you are deprived of the privilege. Its just
      not the same being a passenger. While Im tapping away on the computer
      I'd like to ask the Subaru drivers that are using the Warpdrive ground
      adjustable what their impressions of the prop are. Id really appreciate
      some feedback on performance as I have been offered a 3 blade with hub
      for a really good price.
      
        Cheers
        Graeme Toft
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      23/01/2006
       
      
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