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1. 05:28 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (DC91840@aol.com)
2. 05:28 AM - SV: Kitfox on ski technique (Michel Verheughe)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:11 AM - Trouble cold starting a 912 (wingnut)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Floran Higgins)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (wingnut)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
8. 07:47 AM - weak compression (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 07:53 AM - Re: Kitfox on ski technique (Algate)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Roger Standley)
11. 08:54 AM - What has NSI become? (kitfoxjunky)
12. 09:27 AM - Re: Rebuild progress. (AMuller589@aol.com)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (michael burkhardt)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (wingnut)
16. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 01:29 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (QSS)
18. 01:53 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Jim Burke)
19. 01:59 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (DC91840@aol.com)
20. 02:27 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Donald STEVENSON)
21. 02:30 PM - Re: Tow Bar (QSS)
22. 03:48 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Jim Burke)
23. 03:48 PM - POH for a Kitfox IV 1050lbs MAUW (Matthew Shelton)
24. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Lowell Fitt)
25. 04:29 PM - Re: Rebuild progress. (Ben Baltrusaitis)
26. 04:35 PM - Re: weak compression (Lowell Fitt)
27. 04:42 PM - For sale: (Sid Hausding)
28. 04:54 PM - Re: For sale: (ron schick)
29. 05:17 PM - Re: For sale: (Don Pearsall)
30. 05:41 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (Brett Walmsley)
31. 05:47 PM - Re: What has NSI become? (wingsdown)
32. 06:10 PM - Re: Tow Bar (QSS)
33. 07:04 PM - Re: Wiring field (Cudnohufsky's)
34. 07:04 PM - Thanks for the Responses! (michael burkhardt)
35. 09:23 PM - Re: What has NSI become? (Lowell Fitt)
36. 10:01 PM - Re: What has NSI become? (wingsdown)
37. 11:55 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Mike:
I am flying a 3300 and love it. Almost 100 hrs. now and trouble free.
Don C.
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| Subject: | Kitfox on ski technique |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Larry Martin [CrownLJ@verizon.net]
> Hope this help. I have to run to pick up the kids.
Thanks, it does, Larry. I just have to pray for some good weather days and a lot
of training.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: What do you think of those guys?
http://www.gyrokopter.no/storsjoen.html
Brrr! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Other than the "growing pains" associated with getting the right parts
from the dealer, I'm happy so far with my engine. I'm at the taxiing
stage with my plane prior to having it inspected. The engine starts and
runs fine and smooth, and not a drop of leakage anywhere...oil or
coolant. : ) Oops, that was just a little "jab" at the water-cooled
guys.
Lynn
On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 09:21 PM, michael burkhardt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt
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> Does anyone on the list have any experience with
> Jabiru engines, good bad or otherwise? Regards, Mike
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| Subject: | Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting this thing
when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this morning and
I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I still find that this
thing requires a lot of cranking.
Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing but I'm
getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources. Some sources
say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others don't mention it.
From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to have any effect. Another
area of confusion is the throttle setting for starting. Some suggest setting
the throttle at idle and others say pull all the way back and then feed it
in as the engine fires.
One thing I suspect is the battery. It's currently fitted with a standard motorcycle
battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's failed attempt,
the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was reading between
150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912 series. Was
this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8644#8644
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will preheat
the engine.
Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the cowl
and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
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> I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
> this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
> morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
> still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
>
> Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
> but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
> Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
> don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
> have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
> starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
> all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
>
> One thing I suspect is the battery. It's currently fitted with a standard
> motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
> failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
> reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
>
> I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
> series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
>
> Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Luis Rodriguez
> N824KF
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8644#8644
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sounds like something to try. Unfortunately, the airplane is currently tied down
at the local airport (no hangar space available). I'd run an extension cord
but the FBO doesn't open till 9am. Things are warming up by then so it's not as
big an issue.
Looking through the rotax operators manual again, I found a note in the trouble
shooting section indicating that you need a minimum of 250 rpm at start to get
any spark. I don't think I was making 250 this morning. I had a feeling about
that a cheep motorcycle battery. Any suggestions for a proper battery.
Searching the internet, I found a note from some other forum regarding the gap
on the spark plugs. I'd like to check that but I can't find anything in the operators
manual about it. What is the suggested spark gap?
Any thoughts on the proper starting procedure? Does pumping the throttle really
do anything? What are other 912 owners out there doing?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8661#8661
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
The recommended starting procedure includes full out throttle and full fuel enrichener
(choke). I have found this to be very effective even to temperatures
below freezing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins"
>
> You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will preheat
> the engine.
> Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the cowl
> and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
> warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> >
> > I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
> > this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
> > morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
> > still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
> >
> > Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
> > but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
> > Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
> > don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
> > have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
> > starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
> > all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
> >
> > One thing I suspect is the battery. It's currently fitted with a standard
> > motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
> > failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
> > reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
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> > I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
> > series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
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The recommended starting procedure includes full out throttle and full fuel enrichener
(choke). I have found this to be very effective even to temperatures below
freezing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Floran Higgins" cliffh@outdrs.net
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CLIFFH@OUTDRS.NET>
You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will preheat
the engine.
Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the cowl
and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>
<B
R> I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
One thing I suspect is the batte
ry. It's currently fitted with a standard
motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8644#8644
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| Subject: | weak compression |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Bob Robertson....
When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke seems
to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a compression
check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to be. I'll remind
you that the rocker arm replacement has not been completed on this engine.
John Kerr
700 + hours
Bob Robertson....
When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke seems
to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a compression
check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to be. I'll remind
you that the rocker arm replacement has not been completed on this engine.
John Kerr
700 + hours
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| Subject: | Kitfox on ski technique |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I would be careful using full flapperon deflection on late model 4 or Lite2
Kitfoxes as this will basically make it very difficult to keep the tail
down. You will almost be guaranteed to land nose down and have an unpleasant
view of the runway. I'm sure this is different for the Avid.
GaryA
I have an Avid on ski's and I use the following method. I always take off
and land with full flaperons
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
The Bing constant depression carburetors incorporate the use of a choke that require
the throttle to be "closed" to work. That is, if the throttle is not set
at CLOSED, the choke will not create enough vacuum to work. No primer is necessary
with this setup.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
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> > I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
> > this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
> > morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
> > still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
> >
> > Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
> > but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
> > Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
> > don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
> > have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
> > starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
> > all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
> >
> > One thing I suspect is the battery. It's currently fitted with a standard
> > motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
> > failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
> > reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
> >
> > I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
> > series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
> >
> > Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >
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> > N824KF
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The recommended starting procedure includes full out throttle and full fuel enrichener
(choke). I have found this to be very effective even to temperatures below
freezing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Floran Higgins" cliffh@outdrs.net<mailto:cliffh@outdrs.net>
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CLIFFH@OUTDRS.NET<mailto:CLIFFH@OUTDRS.NET>>
You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will preheat
the engine.
Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the cowl
and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM<mailto:WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM<mailto:KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM<mailto:WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>>
<B
R> I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
One thing I suspect is the batte
ry. It's currently fitted with a standard
motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D8644#8644<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D8644#8644>
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| Subject: | What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuild progress. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
In a message dated 1/31/2006 9:56:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
msm@byterocky.net writes:
There great figures Ben and I'd be happy with that kind of performance
in climb. It sounds like you're not entirely happy with cruise though.
What do you feel you'll be able to get after some tweeking? My engine is
the NSI EA81 which doesnt have the grunt you have but Im not as heavy
either being a model 1V.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Is your engine fuel injected and computer equipped? If so I have a solution
for you.
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| Subject: | Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Luis,
If you have the idle set too fast, you can't shut of the main throttle as
required. See Roger's comment and John's below. You do need the main
throttle path shut down to make the "choke" work. The Choke is a separate
carburetor that puts a rich mixture into the intake manifold. Idle should
be set no higher than 1800 rpm according to Phil Lockwood.
I have no trouble starting my 912S at temperatures in the teens F following
Clint Bazzil's procedure. It just pops right off immediately.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
The recommended starting procedure includes full out throttle and full fuel
enrichener (choke). I have found this to be very effective even to
temperatures below freezing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins"
>
> You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will
preheat
> the engine.
> Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the
cowl
> and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
> warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> >
> > I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
> > this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery
this
> > morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
> > still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
> >
> > Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
> > but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
> > Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
> > don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem
to
> > have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
> > starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
> > all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
> >
> > One thing I suspect is the battery. It's currently fitted with a
standard
> > motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this
morning's
> > failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
> > reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
> >
> > I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
> > series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
> >
> > Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Luis Rodriguez
> > N824KF
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The recommended starting procedure includes full out throttle and full fuel
enrichener (choke). I have found this to be very effective even to
temperatures below freezing.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Floran Higgins" cliffh@outdrs.net
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CLIFFH@OUTDRS.NET>
You will get much easier starts and much smoother starts if you will
preheat
the engine.
Any time the OAT get much below 40 degrees I put a hair dryer under the
cowl
and throw a blanket over the cowl. I let it run about 30 minutes, just to
warm the carbs. Make a much smoother start.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trouble cold starting a 912
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <WINGNUT@SPAMARREST.COM>
<B
R> I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
Being new with this type, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing
but I'm getting a lot of conflicting instruction from various sources.
Some sources say that I'm supposed to pump the throttle to prime, others
don't mention it. From my experience, pumping the throttle doesn't seem to
have any effect. Another area of confusion is the throttle setting for
starting. Some suggest setting the throttle at idle and others say pull
all the way back and then feed it in as the engine fires.
One thing I suspect is the batte
ry. It's currently fitted with a standard
motorcycle battery and I wonder if it has the power. During this morning's
failed attempt, the digital tach (which seems to be very accurate) was
reading between 150 and 200 rpm. Is that fast enough?
I've also read something about a new high torque starter for the 912
series. Was this upgrade an answer to cold starting problems?
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8644#8644
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Don, I have a series 7, what is your 3300 on? Mike
--- DC91840@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
>
> Mike:
> I am flying a 3300 and love it. Almost 100 hrs. now
> and trouble free.
> Don C.
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Is that 1800 RPM with a cold engine or warm? I know I can get it that low when
it's cold but the minimum idle climbs as the engine warms up. Is there anything
on the ouside of the carb that I can see to be sure that the throttle is fully
closed?
I gather that no one is concerned with the 200RPM starter speed?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8714#8714
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Luis,
I am pretty sure that is with the engine warm. I can't get my engine to
idle that low when it is cold. I keep the choke circuit open for about a
minute while the engine warms up at about 2500 - 2800 rpm.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trouble cold starting a 912
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Is that 1800 RPM with a cold engine or warm? I know I can get it that low
when it's cold but the minimum idle climbs as the engine warms up. Is there
anything on the ouside of the carb that I can see to be sure that the
throttle is fully closed?
I gather that no one is concerned with the 200RPM starter speed?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8714#8714
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| Subject: | Rebuild progress. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
The fuel system is the standard Ellison Throttle body naturally
aspirated.
Regards
Graeme Toft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
In a message dated 1/31/2006 9:56:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
msm@byterocky.net writes:
There great figures Ben and I'd be happy with that kind of performance
in climb. It sounds like you're not entirely happy with cruise though.
What do you feel you'll be able to get after some tweeking? My engine
is
the NSI EA81 which doesnt have the grunt you have but Im not as heavy
either being a model 1V.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Is your engine fuel injected and computer equipped? If so I have a
solution
for you.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be glad
to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would like to
make one.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Hi Don-
> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>
> Lynn
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>> <shericom@rogers.com>
>>
>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
>> appreciated, Don
>>
>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Mike:
My 3300 is on a Classic IV. Kitfox. Climb performance is
just a little less than a 912S. I don't have the struts faired or wheel pants.
I also still have the round cowl of the KF. Very blunt. Cruise is about 108
mph.
I do most of my flying from 60 > 85 mph. Really like the engine. Climb
out at about 750/800 fpm. with full fuel and 225# me.
My empty weight is 760#. Am hoping someday Jabiru will build a cowl
and FWF kit for the Kitfox airplanes.
Don
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Thanks Jim, I would appreciate any info you can send
me, I do have a drawing I got off line some time ago,
but yours may be better, so if you don't mind sending
it to me that would be great, Don
Don Stevenson email shericom@rogers.com
--- Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
> <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice
> a year. I would be glad
> to email you some pictures and measurements to make
> one if you would like to
> make one.
>
> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >
> > Hi Don-
> > I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow
> and send via email.
> >
> > Lynn
> > On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald
> STEVENSON wrote:
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald
> STEVENSON
> >> <shericom@rogers.com>
> >>
> >> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow
> bar
> >> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I
> think
> >> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a
> source
> >> for one or have one made, I would also like some
> >> information on the proper towing brace for the
> wings
> >> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be
> much
> >> appreciated, Don
> >>
> >> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
> >>
> >> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements would be a
great help.
Cheers
Graeme
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
glad
to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
like to
make one.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Hi Don-
> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>
> Lynn
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>> <shericom@rogers.com>
>>
>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
>> appreciated, Don
>>
>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I also
think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it was
a good reference.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
> considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements would be a
> great help.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graeme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
> glad
> to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
> like to
> make one.
>
> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Hi Don-
>> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>>> <shericom@rogers.com>
>>>
>>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
>>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
>>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
>>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
>>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
>>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
>>> appreciated, Don
>>>
>>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
>>>
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| Subject: | POH for a Kitfox IV 1050lbs MAUW |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matthew Shelton" <matthew_shelton66@hotmail.com>
Can anyone help me? I have purchased a second hand Kitfox Mk IV 1050lbs
MAUW and had purchased a Pilot Operating Handbook from Skystar at the time
they went into liquidation.
Can anyone help by providing me a copy?
Thanks
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Luis,
I think you are well on your way to understanding and loving your R-912.
The minimum recommended idle speed is 2100-2200 rpm. This is to protect the
dog gears in the reduction drive from excessive wear due to the pulses the
engine makes on each power stroke vs the propeller that is turning at a
constant Speed. The absolute minimum idle speed as set by the set screw
should be below that, and that is the 1800 figure you mentioned. The
minimum idle speed is set with a screw that is below the throttle arm on the
carburetor. I have a friend that can close his throttle to stop and he
will consistently land shorter than I will because there is more drag on his
prop than mine. I don't like the idea of inadvertantly stopping the engine
in the patttern and having to do a restart then. The recommended 1800 rpm
will keep it moving, but will allow for some drag on final. By turning the
set screw ccwise you until it is no longer hitting the tab, you can have the
butterfly valve fully closed. If you want to do this, I would recommend
counting the turns on the screws so you can get them both back to the
original position. Carburetor balance is very important at lower RPMs for
smooth running. There are methods for blancing described in the Rotax
Maintainance Manual.
As I recall, the engine needs something like 600 RPM from the starter -
others with better info, please chime in here - for the ignition system to
produce a spark. If the battery is weak, you can crank all day and nothing
will happen if the cranking speed is insufficient to produce a spark.
Hope this helps a bit.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trouble cold starting a 912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Is that 1800 RPM with a cold engine or warm? I know I can get it that low
> when it's cold but the minimum idle climbs as the engine warms up. Is
> there anything on the ouside of the carb that I can see to be sure that
> the throttle is fully closed?
>
> I gather that no one is concerned with the 200RPM starter speed?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8714#8714
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuild progress. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Hi Graeme,
Robert Harmsin in Houston gets to Vne in level flight with a two blade IVO prop,
although his 2.2 is turboed.
I'm hoping for at 120 mph indicated cruise. I did see 110 kts. in Nov. for a short
time, but was not sure if I was level. I need to do some test flights.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: QSS
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rebuild progress.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
There great figures Ben and I'd be happy with that kind of performance
in climb. It sounds like you're not entirely happy with cruise though.
What do you feel you'll be able to get after some tweeking? My engine is
the NSI EA81 which doesnt have the grunt you have but Im not as heavy
either being a model 1V.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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| Subject: | Re: weak compression |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, this is a common occurance with my engine. When we were on our way
to Oshkosh two summers ago, after a fuel stop at Afton , Wyoming, I climbed
in to move the airplane to a tiedown spot and the starter turned spun the
engine just like a turbine - four stuck valves. We ran two quarts of ATF
through it and no stuck valves since. The ATF was a substitute for Marvel
Mystery Oil as it was not available in town.
My guess that on occasion a valve will not seat completely when cold and as
I mentioned it is fairly common with my engine. However, when I do the
compression check - warm engine - at my annual condition inspection, the
compression on all four cylinders has always been well within limits - 79-80
psi.
Question, do you run on autogas or avgas or a combination.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weak compression
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> Bob Robertson....
>
> When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
> seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
> compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
> be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been
> completed on this engine.
>
> John Kerr
> 700 + hours
>
> Bob Robertson....
>
> When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
> seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
> compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
> be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been completed
> on this engine.
>
> John Kerr
> 700 + hours
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
Avid Speedwing, 98% finished, 582 zero time gry hd, taildragger, gloss white -
no graphics or numbers yet, GSC 3-blade, extra factory Quick Build STOL wing kit
(everything but paint). Built to factory manual specs., plane only needs
electric hookup, radio and ELT. $18,500.00 complete, delivered within reason
for expenses.
Referral monies paid,,,,,,,,,
Two planes in one!
avidsid@yahoo.com 989-356-0048 (Michigan) can sell the engine, radiators and
muffler separate - $5,000.00; with prop, $5,400.00.......please contact off
list
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sid you have another girlfriend I can tell. Ron NB Or
>From: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: For sale:
>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:41:54 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
>
>Avid Speedwing, 98% finished, 582 zero time gry hd, taildragger, gloss
>white - no graphics or numbers yet, GSC 3-blade, extra factory Quick Build
>STOL wing kit (everything but paint). Built to factory manual specs.,
>plane only needs electric hookup, radio and ELT. $18,500.00 complete,
>delivered within reason for expenses.
> Referral monies paid,,,,,,,,,
>
> Two planes in one!
>
> avidsid@yahoo.com 989-356-0048 (Michigan) can sell the engine,
>radiators and muffler separate - $5,000.00; with prop,
>$5,400.00.......please contact off list
>
> do not archive
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sid, you have been a member for a long time and have contributed lots to the
group. Sorry to see you are selling your plane. Good luck selling, and with
whatever other projects you have going instead.
Don
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sid Hausding
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: For sale:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
Avid Speedwing, 98% finished, 582 zero time gry hd, taildragger, gloss white
- no graphics or numbers yet, GSC 3-blade, extra factory Quick Build STOL
wing kit (everything but paint). Built to factory manual specs., plane
only needs electric hookup, radio and ELT. $18,500.00 complete, delivered
within reason for expenses.
Referral monies paid,,,,,,,,,
Two planes in one!
avidsid@yahoo.com 989-356-0048 (Michigan) can sell the engine,
radiators and muffler separate - $5,000.00; with prop,
$5,400.00.......please contact off list
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ@numail.org>
Good one Lynn..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines anyone?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Other than the "growing pains" associated with getting the right parts
> from the dealer, I'm happy so far with my engine. I'm at the taxiing
> stage with my plane prior to having it inspected. The engine starts and
> runs fine and smooth, and not a drop of leakage anywhere...oil or
> coolant. : ) Oops, that was just a little "jab" at the water-cooled
> guys.
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 09:21 PM, michael burkhardt wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt
>> <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
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>> Does anyone on the list have any experience with
>> Jabiru engines, good bad or otherwise? Regards, Mike
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| Subject: | What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Yes, but if I am not mistaken I thought you were done with them. Whats
your interest now?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
--> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Jim.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I
also
think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it
was
a good reference.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
> considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements would be a
> great help.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graeme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
<jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
> glad
> to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
> like to
> make one.
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> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
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>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Hi Don-
>> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>>> <shericom@rogers.com>
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>>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
>>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
>>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
>>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
>>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
>>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
>>> appreciated, Don
>>>
>>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
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>>> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring field |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
All,
Thanks to everyone who offered info, Dave, I think you are correct about the
wiring being for the field of an alternator, and yes it is through a split
master and the other side is wired across the master terminals of a Kuzelman
Hot Box.. I have been opening all harnesses and tracing wires. The system is
using a Kuzelman Hot Box and it looks like it may have been added at a later
date since the Ducatti Rectifier / regulator is wired according to the
Kitfox manual and not wired into the Hot Box as the Hot Box is designed to
have it wired. Questions, does anyone have any experience with the Kuzelman
Hot Box? Anyone running one? Also, after the hot box on the hot side of the
master switch circuit there is what I call a fusible link block, has 2
terminal connections on each side of a brass bar link, block seems to be
made of maybe Bakelite and was mounted to the firewall, has a rating of 30
amps and it looks like the person who wired this is using that cluster to
feed the circuit breakers, Something seems wrong with that to me since it is
pulling from the hot side of the master circuit which has an internal
thermal couple, and from my understanding is designed to energize the 12
volt fused terminal strips above it and have the power pulled from there,
any comments welcome.
Thanks,
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "D& D Syverson" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wiring field
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: D& D Syverson <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
> Lloyd,
>
> You are probably looking at someone's previous custom work where they may
> have
> used a split alternator switch and only used part of it. Normally these
> have
> one side to connect the main bus to the battery and the other side to
> connect
> the field of the alternator to energize it sp it produces current. The
> nomenclature is somewhat of an artifact from the days when we had
> generators,
> since, on a generator the field is part of the frame (which energizes the
> generator) and the output current is pulled off the armature .... on an
> alternator - the field ends up being the rotor and the frame coils produce
> the output, but we still call the energizing part of the device the
> "field"
> even if it is the spinning part.
>
> It is pretty much impossible to tell you if it is hooked up right or not.
> What
> is right depends on what kind of a system you have (rotax, auto, or
> lycombing/continental which are pretty much like an auto charging system)
> and if the original builder actually used the switch for that purpose, or
> if
> they used a salvaged alternator/ bus switch for something else. A guy is
> going to have to trace wires and understand how their system is wired and
> to
> what, unless the original builder left you some sort of notes.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Dave
> St Paul, MN
>
> do not archive
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>
> On Friday 27 January 2006 8:14 pm, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
>>
>> All,
>> I am beginning to tear into the wiring on my 5, I want to get to know it
>> since I did not do it. It has a breaker marked "Field" only one wire from
>> the breaker (other side of breaker to nothing) to half of the master,
>> other
>> side of master has a wire that dead ends in the harness to nothing?? Im
>> confused, anyone know what this is for? Is it hooked up right? Where
>> should
>> it go?
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| Subject: | Thanks for the Responses! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
I would like to thank all the list members for the
numerous responses to my questions! Regards, Mike B.
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| Subject: | Re: What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Is information on NSI or its successors now available only on a need to know
basis?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> Yes, but if I am not mistaken I thought you were done with them. Whats
> your interest now?
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:54 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> --> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
> rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> KF IV Anphib 912S
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Might, depend on who needs to know. Didn't care much for the bashing by
some. Not that they dint have the right, but then I have the right to my
view as well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Is information on NSI or its successors now available only on a need to
know
basis?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> Yes, but if I am not mistaken I thought you were done with them. Whats
> your interest now? Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxjunky
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:54 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> --> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
> rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> KF IV Anphib 912S
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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