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1. 03:45 AM - Re: What has NSI become? (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:22 AM - nameplate location (Lynn Matteson)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: nameplate location (wwillyard@aol.com)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: nameplate location (Fox5flyer)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: nameplate location (Lynn Matteson)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: Tow Bar (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Tow Bar (Jim Burke)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: nameplate location (ron schick)
9. 09:38 AM - Re: weak compression (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
10. 10:21 AM - Re: nameplate location (Randy Daughenbaugh)
11. 01:17 PM - Skis for sale (Fox5flyer)
12. 01:18 PM - Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (wingnut)
13. 02:16 PM - Re: What has NSI become? (kitfoxjunky)
14. 03:56 PM - Re: nameplate location (Donna and Roger McConnell)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 (Herbert R Gottelt)
16. 04:44 PM - Starting (Rex Shaw)
17. 07:14 PM - Official Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
18. 07:46 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? (Tom Tomlin)
19. 08:58 PM - Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane (ron schick)
20. 09:35 PM - Re: Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane (Tim Vader)
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| Subject: | Re: What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Good morning Lowell, Rick, Gary, et al. There's no secret to what's going
on at NSI. Lance Wheeler, the former manager and product developer, has
left the business and its owners have changed the name to Maxwell Propulsion
Systems MPS (I think). The company is still in business, just under a
different name. Unfortunately, as far as I can determine, the EA81 is no
longer being produced nor is the CAP140 prop. They're just going with the
larger Soob (EJ22, etc) engine and prop packages. It's early in the
restructuring stage so pretty much anything can happen as time goes on. As
for spare parts, like Skystar, right now it's only speculation as to where
we go from here.
Deke
http://www.maxwellpropulsion.com/
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Is information on NSI or its successors now available only on a need to
know
> basis?
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
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> > Yes, but if I am not mistaken I thought you were done with them. Whats
> > your interest now?
> > Rick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:54 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
> >
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> > --> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
> >
> > The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
> > rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
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> > Gary Walsh
> > KF IV Anphib 912S
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| Subject: | nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
'foxes.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com
I put mine on the tail access cover. The inspector from the FAA didn't say anything
against that. I guess the it depends on your (their) definition of "normal
service".
Bill W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:22:30 -0500
Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
'foxes.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Lynn, I think this is correct. Well, that's the way I was told anyway. I
was also told that it's not an FAA requirement, but the DEA so they can
figure out who you are after they shoot you out of the sky which also
corroborates the requirement for them being stainless steel so there'll be
something left for them to verify. :-)
Seriously, I mounted mine under the stab down low right on the fabric below
the access cover. A simple aluminum backing plate glued to the inside cover
with the data plate riveted to it.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
> tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
> the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
> it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
> to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
> 'foxes.
>
> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks Bill and Deke...maybe a call to my intended DAR will answer the
question. Either that or drill the holes in the plate and wait until
they show up to actually hang it. Deke, I just talked to Duane and his
is on the right side of the console...where I remembered it.
Lynn
On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Lynn, I think this is correct. Well, that's the way I was told
> anyway. I
> was also told that it's not an FAA requirement, but the DEA so they can
> figure out who you are after they shoot you out of the sky which also
> corroborates the requirement for them being stainless steel so
> there'll be
> something left for them to verify. :-)
> Seriously, I mounted mine under the stab down low right on the fabric
> below
> the access cover. A simple aluminum backing plate glued to the inside
> cover
> with the data plate riveted to it.
> Deke
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
>
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>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
>> tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
>> the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it
>> where
>> it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that
>> seems
>> to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
>> 'foxes.
>>
>> Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
be alert to the fact that the width of the IV's vary some at the tow bar carry
through points. There are the IV-1050's, the IV-1200, and the IV Classic. It might
be necessary to make some modifications in order to obtain the desired fit.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
>
> Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I also
> think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it was
> a good reference.
>
> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "QSS"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS"
> >
> > Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
> > considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements would be a
> > great help.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
> >
> > Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
> > glad
> > to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
> > like to
> > make one.
> >
> > Jim N94JE
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lynn Matteson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> >>
> >> Hi Don-
> >> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
> >>>
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> >>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
> >>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
> >>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
> >>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
> >>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
> >>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
> >>> appreciated, Don
> >>>
> >>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
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be alert to the fact that the width of the IV's vary some at the tow bar carry
through points. There are the IV-1050's, the IV-1200, and the IV Classic. It might
be necessary to make some modifications in order to obtain the desired fit.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jim Burke jeburke94je@direcway.com
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <JEBURKE94JE@DIRECWAY.COM>
Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I also
think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it was
a good reference.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "QSS" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements wo
uld be a
great help.
Cheers
Graeme
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <JEBURKE94JE@DIRECWAY.COM>
Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
glad
to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
like to
make one.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <LYNNMATT@JPS.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
&
gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <LYNNMATT@JPS.NET>
Hi Don-
I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
Lynn
On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
<SHERICOM@ROGERS.COM>
To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
for one or have one made, I would also like some
information on the proper towing brace for the win
gs
etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
appreciated, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
--
23/01/2006
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23/01/2006
att Dralle, List Admin.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Good point John, I think the pictures I sent the guys will help, But they
may want to take there own measurements.
Jim,N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> be alert to the fact that the width of the IV's vary some at the tow bar
> carry through points. There are the IV-1050's, the IV-1200, and the IV
> Classic. It might be necessary to make some modifications in order to
> obtain the desired fit.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
>>
>> Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I
>> also
>> think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it
>> was
>> a good reference.
>>
>> Jim N94JE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "QSS"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS"
>> >
>> > Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
>> > considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements would be a
>> > great help.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Graeme
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
>> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
>> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>> >
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke
>> >
>> > Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
>> > glad
>> > to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
>> > like to
>> > make one.
>> >
>> > Jim N94JE
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Lynn Matteson"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>> >
>> >
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>> >>
>> >> Hi Don-
>> >> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>> >>
>> >> Lynn
>> >> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
>> >>> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
>> >>> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
>> >>> for one or have one made, I would also like some
>> >>> information on the proper towing brace for the wings
>> >>> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
>> >>> appreciated, Don
>> >>>
>> >>> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
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> be alert to the fact that the width of the IV's vary some at the tow bar
> carry through points. There are the IV-1050's, the IV-1200, and the IV
> Classic. It might be necessary to make some modifications in order to
> obtain the desired fit.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jim Burke jeburke94je@direcway.com
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <JEBURKE94JE@DIRECWAY.COM>
>
> Graeme, I will send you pictures with measurements that should help. I
> also
> think you should have the drawing Don has. I think I have seen it and it
> was
> a good reference.
>
> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "QSS" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <MSM@BYTEROCKY.NET>
>
> Jim, If you wouldn't mind I'd like to be included also. I have been
> considering a tow bar for a while now and your measurements wo
> uld be a
> great help.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graeme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 7:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <JEBURKE94JE@DIRECWAY.COM>
>
> Don, I have a tow bar for the IV and I use it twice a year. I would be
> glad
> to email you some pictures and measurements to make one if you would
> like to
> make one.
>
> Jim N94JE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <LYNNMATT@JPS.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> &
> gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tow Bar
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <LYNNMATT@JPS.NET>
>
> Hi Don-
> I'll shoot some pics of my wing braces tomorrow and send via email.
>
> Lynn
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:20 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
> <SHERICOM@ROGERS.COM>
>
> To all who replied to my question regarding a tow bar
> for a model 4 Speedster, I thank you. I think
> that is the way I will go, now I need to find a source
> for one or have one made, I would also like some
> information on the proper towing brace for the win
> gs
> etc. If you can help in this matter, it would be much
> appreciated, Don
>
> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
>
> Model 4/1200-912 Speedster
>
>
> --
> 23/01/2006
>
>
> --
> 23/01/2006
>
>
> att Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Lynn I have heard that it has to be permanently attached to metal on the
airplane. My neighbor had to move his from the removable inspection plate
to get his AW certificate from our inspector. I was thinking of using
aluminum pop rivets on the horizontal stab cover plates. These would allow
me to pass the "permanent" part and yet be removable with a drill. I'll
be listening closely for the best solution as I have yet to attach mine.
Ron NB Or
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:22:30 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
>tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
>the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
>it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
>to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
>'foxes.
>
>Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: weak compression |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Lowell, thanks for the reply. I rarely run avgas--on cross countrys when mogas
is not available and I always use blended oil.
I admit to being a little goosey because Bob Robertson and I sort of came to the
conclusion to not change out the rocker arm shaft way back when. As I look
over the engine log books I have noted that I am using less pitch now than back
in '96 although the indicated air speed is still right at 105 mph at 5200 rpm.
Not sure that that makes any sense.
I have been flying the new RV9 for the past 6 weeks when weather permits but when
I flew the 'Fox last week I remembered why it was so danged much fun (and guilt
free as well).
John
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From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
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> John, this is a common occurance with my engine. When we were on our way
> to Oshkosh two summers ago, after a fuel stop at Afton , Wyoming, I climbed
> in to move the airplane to a tiedown spot and the starter turned spun the
> engine just like a turbine - four stuck valves. We ran two quarts of ATF
> through it and no stuck valves since. The ATF was a substitute for Marvel
> Mystery Oil as it was not available in town.
>
> My guess that on occasion a valve will not seat completely when cold and as
> I mentioned it is fairly common with my engine. However, when I do the
> compression check - warm engine - at my annual condition inspection, the
> compression on all four cylinders has always been well within limits - 79-80
> psi.
>
> Question, do you run on autogas or avgas or a combination.
>
> Lowell
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:46 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: weak compression
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
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> > Bob Robertson....
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> > When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
> > seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
> > compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
> > be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been
> > completed on this engine.
> >
> > John Kerr
> > 700 + hours
> >
> > Bob Robertson....
> >
> > When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
> > seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
> > compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
> > be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been completed
> > on this engine.
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> > John Kerr
> > 700 + hours
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Lowell, thanks for the reply. I rarely run avgas--on cross countrys when mogas
is not available and I always use blended oil.
I admit to being a little goosey because Bob Robertson and I sort of came to the
conclusion to not change out the rocker arm shaft way back when. As I look over
the engine log books I have noted that I am using less pitch now than back
in '96 although the indicated air speed is still right at 105 mph at 5200 rpm.
Not sure that that makes any sense.
I have been flying the new RV9 for the past 6 weeks when weather permits but when
I flew the 'Fox last week I remembered why it was so danged much fun (and guilt
free as well).
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Lowell Fitt" lcfitt@sbcglobal.net
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <LCFITT@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
John, this is a common occurance with my engine. When we were on our way
to Oshkosh two summers ago, after a fuel stop at Afton , Wyoming, I climbed
in to move the airplane to a tiedown spot and the starter turned spun the
engine just like a turbine - four stuck valves. We ran two quarts of ATF
through it and no stuck valves since. The ATF was a substitute for Marvel
Mystery Oil as it was not available in town.
My guess that on occasion a valve will not seat completely when cold and as
I mentioned it is fairly common with my engine. However, when I do the
compression check - warm engine - at my annual conditi
on inspection, the
compression on all four cylinders has always been well within limits - 79-80
psi.
Question, do you run on autogas or avgas or a combination.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <KERRJOHNA@COMCAST.NET>
To: "Kitfox" <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weak compression
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Bob Robertson....
When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been
completed on this engine. <
BR>
John Kerr
700 + hours
Bob Robertson....
When pulling through the prop on my 912UL, every fourth compression stroke
seems to offer less resistance than the other three. I have not done a
compression check but am wondering what the toubleshooting steps aught to
be. I'll remind you that the rocker arm replacement has not been completed
on this engine.
John Kerr
700 + hours
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| Subject: | nameplate location |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
As another data point. My inspector OK'ed my point as on the fiberglass,
low and just ahead of the left door. This Series 7 firewall forward has
this fiberglass permanently attached to the frame.
Randy
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Lynn I have heard that it has to be permanently attached to metal on the
airplane. My neighbor had to move his from the removable inspection plate
to get his AW certificate from our inspector. I was thinking of using
aluminum pop rivets on the horizontal stab cover plates. These would allow
me to pass the "permanent" part and yet be removable with a drill. I'll
be listening closely for the best solution as I have yet to attach mine.
Ron NB Or
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:22:30 -0500
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>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
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>Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
>tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
>the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
>it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
>to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
>'foxes.
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>Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D4608855037&sspagename=3DADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A78
Here's a nice set of skis that should work fine for light model IVs on down.
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble cold starting a 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Started fine this morning at 55F OAT. She was turning over much faster at 350RPM.
For now, I'm going to assume for now that the current battery just isn't up
to the task on cold days. Thanks for all the help.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9086#9086
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| Subject: | What has NSI become? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I had called NSI several weeks back and someone doing inventory had found
my prop..at least the warp drive blades. The person doing the repair of
the gear on my floats indicated he would take the blades in trade for the
work he was doing. The gear was damaged when the prop came off. This
person had promised to send them. Now the phone number does not work...so
was looking for a number to see if I could locate that gentleman to check
the status.
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Yes, but if I am not mistaken I thought you were done with them. Whats
your interest now?
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: What has NSI become?
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The NSI number and web site are no longer active. I heard they had
rebranded. Anyone know what the name changed to?
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Lynn,
I attached my 'data plate' to the fabric right below the left side
access cover on the vertical stab. I riveted it to a back up plate on the
inside of the fabric. Can't take credit for the idea, got that from Don
Smithy I think. It worked out great. The FAA inspectors never even mention
it, which means they approved.
Roger Mac
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: nameplate location
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where have you folks attached your nameplates? I've seen them on the
tail access covers and the cockpit console. It seems like it's up to
the DAR and what kind of mood he's/she's in, eh? The FAA wants it where
it "can't be removed during normal service of the plane", so that seems
to preclude the tail access covers, but I've seen them there on some
'foxes.
Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
According to Lockwood, the cranking speed for the 912 must be 300 RPM or above
in order to create a reliable spark for the engine to start.
Herb Gottelt M4-912UL
Mt. Prospect, IL
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
Started fine this morning at 55F OAT. She was turning over much faster at 350RPM.
For now, I'm going to assume for now that the current battery just isn't up
to the task on cold days. Thanks for all the help.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9086#9086
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I'm a new owner of a 912UL powered Mod IV. I'm having trouble starting
this thing when temperatures approach freezing. I drained my battery this
morning and I didn't get a single pop out of the thing. Even at 60F I
still find that this thing requires a lot of cranking.
Hi ! Luis,
I am a 582 owner and not 912 but I am an electronics technician
and have built about 20 CDI ignition systems of varying types. The Rotax motors
and Jabiru are all types I know of that require minimum RPM to get a spark.
My 582 and a Jabiru are 300 RPM. I suspect your 912 will be the same.
Warming the engine is a good idea. It may be enough to get those RPM's and it
might not. However I do recommend it if you can do it someway.
That motorcycle battery you have is not really good enough. My original battery
was such and from new it only ever just did the job. If I left my plane stand
for a few weeks there is no way it would get 300 RPM to start. It might sound
fine and seem to hang in but it just would not start. I would jump start it
and it would fire up instantly. I changed to an Odyssey battery and the difference
is incredable. I can go on holidays and it starts instantly. Odyssey is
an "Absorbed Glass Mat" battery or aslo called recumbrant etc. There is also other
brands but Odyssey is probably the most common. The reason these batteries
are so superior to a "Flooded Wet Cell" type motorcycle battery is that the
internal resistance is much lower. This gives a lot more cranking power. These
batteries also do not leak even with a cracked case.No box is needed. They can
be mounted anyhow including upside down. I suspect just changing to one of these
batteries will solve your problem. However if your motor and battery are
both very cold that will work against you. We have a 5 year old Odyssey in our
club Jabiru and that does need a little warmth on a real cold morning. An Odyssey
also does not lose charge to anywhere near the extent a Flooded Wet Cell
does when left standing.
Pumping the throttle won't help on your motor because you don't have an accelerator
pump in the carby like carburated automobiles did. Also if the butterfly
is cracked open you won't get your choke or starting circuit to work.
For an Odyssey battery I suggest looking up batteries4everything.com I hope
I have that right ! I'm in Australia but the price for a PC625 Odyssey here
when I bought mine was $270 AU..I got one from the USA via batteries4everything
and my all up cost landed here was exactly half. The $US for the battery as
I remember was $57.42.
Goodluck,
Rex Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines anyone? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin@comcast.net>
Hi Michael, I have a little bit of experience with the Jabiru 3300 on my IV
Speedster.
The short answer is I like it a lot.
I have about 75 hours on it since last June and am very pleased with it so
far.
In all honesty it may not be the best fit for this airplane, but I like it
well enough that
I have no regrets.
All choices have a trade off and I went primarily for the long TBO, more HP,
Smooth running 6 cyl, and simpler air cooled design without a radiator and
gear drive.
What I gave up was a larger support base, better cabin heat(radiator), more
prop choices,
slightly lighter weight, and a bit more effort necessary to install a
different engine(time).
Oh yeah...the cost. When I purchased mine (3 years ago) there was only
about $400.00
difference between the 912s and the 3300.
I have a new Sensenich ground adjustable prop that is very nice and I have
just put the
economy kit on my carb, but will not be able to reinstall the carb for at
least a week to
check performance again.
It starts easy, Idles around 800, max cruise currently at 108 mph indicated,
and climbs
very well 800fpm plus at 6,000 density altitude.
I'm currently flying dirty....no wheel pants, 600x6 clevelands, grove gear,
poorly
fabricated lift strut fairings, leaky bubble doors.....
I still have lots of work to do to clean her up.
Tom Tomlin
Greeley Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael burkhardt" <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines anyone?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
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> Does anyone on the list have any experience with
> Jabiru engines, good bad or otherwise? Regards, Mike
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I need to preserve my ribs befor covering and was wondering what has been
used by some who have gone before me. My manual says varnish in the
materials required section, but says polyurethane varnish in the chapter.
In the store I find Minwax polyurethane for indoor use and Minwax Helmsman
urethane for outdoor use. Neither say varnish anywhere and neither mention
spraying them. Do I need to find a bigger store? Can I spray these?
Sheesh! not a chemist Ron Nb Ore
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| Subject: | Re: Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
Ron
I used a clear epoxy varnish. You are protecting the wood from moisture
entering it. It may be prudent to use something sandable and lightly sand
before covering so that the fabric adheres better to it. I think it is
important to pay special attention to the trailing edge nooks and crannys of
the ribs where moisture will gather. Your wings will have drain grommets
where air (moist or otherwise) will enter and exit depending on weather
conditions and leave moisture (humidity) inside the wing. The trailing edge
(lowest point) is where that moisture will pool as the aircraft sits.
Tim Vader
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I need to preserve my ribs befor covering and was wondering what has been
> used by some who have gone before me. My manual says varnish in the
> materials required section, but says polyurethane varnish in the chapter.
> In the store I find Minwax polyurethane for indoor use and Minwax Helmsman
> urethane for outdoor use. Neither say varnish anywhere and neither mention
> spraying them. Do I need to find a bigger store? Can I spray these?
> Sheesh! not a chemist Ron Nb Ore
>
>
>
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