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1. 08:33 AM - Vortex generators (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
2. 09:09 AM - Re: aft CG service letter (jdmcbean)
3. 09:25 AM - Re: Vortex generators (kurt schrader)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Hinge Pin Staking (jdmcbean)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Torque ?s (dcaofak)
6. 09:49 AM - Re: Vortex generators (John Disher)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: Vortex generators (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 10:32 AM - Preheating (Frank Miles)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: Preheating (jdmcbean)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: Preheating (wingnut)
11. 12:48 PM - Re: Vortex generators (Alan & Linda Daniels)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Preheating (Algate)
13. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Preheating (Frank Miles)
14. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Hinge Pin Staking (Alan & Linda Daniels)
15. 02:19 PM - Re: Vortex generators (jdmcbean)
16. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Torque ?s (Rich Williamson)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: Preheating (Rich Williamson)
18. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Torque ?s (Lowell Fitt)
19. 05:19 PM - cutting prop bolt threads (Fox5flyer)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Re: Preheating (DPREMGOOD@AOL.COM)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: Preheating (Andrew Matthaey)
22. 06:13 PM - Re: cutting prop bolt threads (Don Pearsall)
23. 08:20 PM - Re: cutting prop bolt threads (Lynn Matteson)
24. 09:36 PM - Re: Preheating (Frank Miles)
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| Subject: | Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com.
John Kerr
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| Subject: | aft CG service letter |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
The Kitfox IV has a different WING then the Model 1, 2 or 3.. although some
3's have used a IV wing.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Mark.Summers@lwbref.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: aft CG service letter
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark.Summers@lwbref.com
I read in some of the service letters/bulletins that the model 4 KF aft CG
limit had been expanded to 16" from 14.78" [I think]. From what I have read
aft CG was 28% of mean aerodynamic chord[ 51" on kitfox 2]. I guess what I
am asking does anyone know whether this applies to kitfox 1,2,3 etc? I
think mac is the wing measurement leading to trailing edge? Does the
Kitfox 4 have a different wing measurement than a kf2. Thanks Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
I think VG's are a winner and that is a good price.
Only way you can beat that is to make your own. But
these come with a guarantee!
I bought a different brand and tested them on my Fox
during my 40 hrs of testing. I tried 5 or 6 different
patterns and did some 50 or so stalls. I did get a
significant improvement in handling and safety as far
as I am concerned. I could still completely control
the plane with full aft stick and bobbing in and out
of stalls. I could even shove in considerable rudder
and not spin out.
Unfortunately I couldn't achieve any siginificant
reduction in stall speeds and need to continue testing
in the future. As I remember, reporting my testing on
the list resulted in Landshorter jumping in to help.
I consider that great customer concern and would
support buying from them for that reason too. They
supported me even though I had a different brand.
I will certainly be going back to testing VG's
whenever I get more time. Even without a reduction is
stall speed, I like the slow flying qualities. This
makes me feel much more confident about low speed
landings and that alone would improve safety and short
field work.
Anticipating your question, my cruise speed was
similar with VG's and without. Some patterns slowed
me down a few mph and some didn't make a change in
cruise performance.
The major shortcoming of VG's to me is cleaning your
plane. Ha ha. Ya gotta work around those things.
Otherwise they are all a plus.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> recieved information on a set of vortes generators
> for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the
> price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about
> Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making
> the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com.
>
> John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Pin Staking |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sorry for the delay guys.. Been out for a few days...
I have done this a couple of ways: Shorter pin and crimped the hinge end ,
Shorter pin and drilled the hinge to be safetied, Longer pin with a bend...
They all worked but I liked the drilled hinge the best so far.... Tried the
same on the door hinge and installed a stainless wire with 2 bent 90's to
keep in place.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hinge Pin Staking
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Just don't do what my neighbor advised me to do and try to stake them with a
punch. I made a mess of mine. Ed Downs of Skystar advised just making a 90
degree bend at each hinge pin end. Maybe John McBean will give us an input
here.
--------
Vic Baker
Series 7
Carson City, Nevada
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11333#11333
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
Prop bolts have a longer threaded portion than standard AN bolts. When selecting
bolts for your propellor make certain that the bolt is not 'bottoming out'
on the shoulder where the threads end. It is possible to torque a bolt in this
condition to spec, and have little or no compression on the parts being bolted
together.
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" <jdisher@intergate.com>
Listening to you guys kicking around stall speeds and slow landing speeds
reminds me of my little escapade with seeing just how slow I could nring it
in on final. I'm down to bringing it over the fence at about 40 when it
stalls about 2 feet off the ground. It didn't drop the nose, flutter or
anything, the bottom just dropped out and I think Charleston Southern Univ.
measured it on their Richter Scale. Back to conservative approaches.
-------Original Message-------
From: kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo
com>
Hi John,
I think VG's are a winner and that is a good price.
Only way you can beat that is to make your own. But
these come with a guarantee!
I bought a different brand and tested them on my Fox
during my 40 hrs of testing. I tried 5 or 6 different
patterns and did some 50 or so stalls. I did get a
significant improvement in handling and safety as far
as I am concerned. I could still completely control
the plane with full aft stick and bobbing in and out
of stalls. I could even shove in considerable rudder
and not spin out.
Unfortunately I couldn't achieve any siginificant
reduction in stall speeds and need to continue testing
in the future. As I remember, reporting my testing on
the list resulted in Landshorter jumping in to help.
I consider that great customer concern and would
support buying from them for that reason too. They
supported me even though I had a different brand.
I will certainly be going back to testing VG's
whenever I get more time. Even without a reduction is
stall speed, I like the slow flying qualities. This
makes me feel much more confident about low speed
landings and that alone would improve safety and short
field work.
Anticipating your question, my cruise speed was
similar with VG's and without. Some patterns slowed
me down a few mph and some didn't make a change in
cruise performance.
The major shortcoming of VG's to me is cleaning your
plane. Ha ha. Ya gotta work around those things.
Otherwise they are all a plus.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> recieved information on a set of vortes generators
> for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the
> price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about
> Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making
> the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com.
>
> John Kerr
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| Subject: | Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
John,
Thanks for this web address.
For all, Check out the "fun" on Landshorter's website. Some great pictures
of some neat places and planes.
Randy - VG's at some point in the future.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less
than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything
about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a
look at www.landshorter.com.
John Kerr
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net>
What is the conventional wisdom on preheating. I have K-lll w/ a Rotax 582.
With my Cherokee I have always preheated when the ambient temp. was 40
degrees F. or below. What is recommended for these little engines. I don't
think that it is matter of whether it will start but what is good for it.
Frank - Lewston, Idaho
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
It is always better on an engine to pre-heat. There are a lot of
advantages... one is: the oil will circulate easier and get to the critical
areas better then when it cold and thick.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Miles
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Preheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
<f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net>
What is the conventional wisdom on preheating. I have K-lll w/ a Rotax 582.
With my Cherokee I have always preheated when the ambient temp. was 40
degrees F. or below. What is recommended for these little engines. I don't
think that it is matter of whether it will start but what is good for it.
Frank - Lewston, Idaho
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
He is one of the engineers working on the new Quest aircraft out of
northern Idaho. I have a set, but have not installed them yet. They look
really good, and he said if I don't like them he will take them back. He
came highly recommended to me from a mutual friend. Professional
aeronautical engineer and an honest man.
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com.
>
>John Kerr
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I use a small 110V auto interior heater purchased from Canadian Tire store
(about $25.00).
I put it in the front of the cowl and even at -20 deg C by the time I have
removed the covers from my plane it has put enough heat into the engine to
allow it spin easily and it starts every time.
I'm not sure if my posts are getting to the list and would appreciate it if
someone could confirm.
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net>
Gary, Appreciate your remarks. What I really wanted to know was at what
point do you decide to preheat and what engine do you have. The point has
been made that preheating is always good but there is a point of diminishing
return. The 582's do not have an oil reservoir like a normal four cycle, air
cooled, aircraft engine. I am sure that the point to preheat is an arbitrary
decision. What is yours?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I use a small 110V auto interior heater purchased from Canadian Tire store
(about $25.00).
I put it in the front of the cowl and even at -20 deg C by the time I have
removed the covers from my plane it has put enough heat into the engine to
allow it spin easily and it starts every time.
I'm not sure if my posts are getting to the list and would appreciate it if
someone could confirm.
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Pin Staking |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I use hitch pins in the hinges on the doors. That way I can remove them
in a minute or so.
jdmcbean wrote:
>I have done this a couple of ways: Shorter pin and crimped the hinge end ,
>Shorter pin and drilled the hinge to be safetied, Longer pin with a bend...
>They all worked but I liked the drilled hinge the best so far.... Tried the
>same on the door hinge and installed a stainless wire with 2 bent 90's to
>keep in place.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
John,
Joa is a good guy have talked with him several times... Although more
expensive, we have chose to offer the aluminum VG's.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less
than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything
about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a
look at www.landshorter.com.
John Kerr
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I just used
a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom out... They
are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in the 120in lbs range...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in Maine..
When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self preheat...
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rich,
I suspect you might hear of this from others also, but here goes. Aircraft
bolts have rolled rather than cut threads to reduce the tendency for
thread cutting leaving burs that could result in stress risers and ultimate
stress fracture. I think good advice would be to get the proper prop bolts
and fly with a bit less stress on you.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
> Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I
> just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom
> out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in
> the 120in lbs range...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | cutting prop bolt threads |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled"
threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The
reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By using a
cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and what
you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or
predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have a
problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise to take
that risk.
If I'm off base on this someone please let me know.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
> Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I
just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom
out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in
the 120in lbs range...
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Loud and clear Gary,
Our local flying club has the same heaters installed in the cowlings of the
airplanes. What's more, they got Transport Canada approval to mount them onto
the airframe.
Doug Remoundos
Montreal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Usually don't get to pre-heat...never had a problem, but I don't usually fly
the 'Fox too much when it's below 30 anyway.
Funny thing, I was going to take my Crew Partner (Cockpit Resource Mgmt
Training in Multi-Engine Ops at school) flying low and slow...and the damn
battery turned the prop over once and kicked the bucket. NEVER had a problem
with it before...oh well. I hooked up the charger and started 'er up...
Any ideas where I can get a good, inexpensive replacement?
Thanks!
Andrew
KF3 582 68" GSC
>From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating
>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:48:16 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
>Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in
>Maine.. When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self
>preheat...
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | cutting prop bolt threads |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I absolutely agree with Deke. When you die cut the AN bolts to extend the
threads, the resulting threads are sharp and much thinner in cross section
than the rolled threads. The FAA AC's even advise against this. You could
not do this on a certified plane. If you look at them under a strong
magnifying glass, you can even see the stress cracks (that's because I have
done the same thing.) The threads will give way long before the rolled
threads will.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled"
threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The
reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By using a
cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and what
you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or
predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have a
problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise to take
that risk.
If I'm off base on this someone please let me know.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
> Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I
just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom
out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in
the 120in lbs range...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cutting prop bolt threads |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Cutting threads like Rich is suggesting is fine if done for a
non-stressed part on a ground-based vehicle, but for staking your life
on...it's a bad idea. I've done work like Rich proposes on slow-poke
cars, work benches, and house decks, but not on something that takes me
and my loved ones up flying...don't do it!
Lynn
On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 09:11 PM, Don Pearsall wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I absolutely agree with Deke. When you die cut the AN bolts to extend
> the
> threads, the resulting threads are sharp and much thinner in cross
> section
> than the rolled threads. The FAA AC's even advise against this. You
> could
> not do this on a certified plane. If you look at them under a strong
> magnifying glass, you can even see the stress cracks (that's because I
> have
> done the same thing.) The threads will give way long before the rolled
> threads will.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:19 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled"
> threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The
> reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By
> using a
> cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and
> what
> you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or
> predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have
> a
> problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise
> to take
> that risk.
> If I'm off base on this someone please let me know.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson"
>> <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I
> just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not
> bottom
> out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in
> the in
> the 120in lbs range...
>>
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net>
Just got a new battery from: Sport Plane, LLC. $71.50 + shipping.
I have heard it said that a starting a cold soaked engine at -20% C. without
preheating is equal to 200 hours of time on an engine. Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Matthaey
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Usually don't get to pre-heat...never had a problem, but I don't usually fly
the 'Fox too much when it's below 30 anyway.
Funny thing, I was going to take my Crew Partner (Cockpit Resource Mgmt
Training in Multi-Engine Ops at school) flying low and slow...and the damn
battery turned the prop over once and kicked the bucket. NEVER had a problem
with it before...oh well. I hooked up the charger and started 'er up...
Any ideas where I can get a good, inexpensive replacement?
Thanks!
Andrew
KF3 582 68" GSC
>From: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating
>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:48:16 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
>Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in
>Maine.. When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self
>preheat...
>
>
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