---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/13/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:33 AM - Vortex generators (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 2. 09:09 AM - Re: aft CG service letter (jdmcbean) 3. 09:25 AM - Re: Vortex generators (kurt schrader) 4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Hinge Pin Staking (jdmcbean) 5. 09:45 AM - Re: Torque ?s (dcaofak) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: Vortex generators (John Disher) 7. 10:32 AM - Re: Vortex generators (Randy Daughenbaugh) 8. 10:32 AM - Preheating (Frank Miles) 9. 10:52 AM - Re: Preheating (jdmcbean) 10. 12:09 PM - Re: Preheating (wingnut) 11. 12:48 PM - Re: Vortex generators (Alan & Linda Daniels) 12. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Preheating (Algate) 13. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Preheating (Frank Miles) 14. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Hinge Pin Staking (Alan & Linda Daniels) 15. 02:19 PM - Re: Vortex generators (jdmcbean) 16. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Torque ?s (Rich Williamson) 17. 03:50 PM - Re: Preheating (Rich Williamson) 18. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Torque ?s (Lowell Fitt) 19. 05:19 PM - cutting prop bolt threads (Fox5flyer) 20. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Re: Preheating (DPREMGOOD@AOL.COM) 21. 06:01 PM - Re: Preheating (Andrew Matthaey) 22. 06:13 PM - Re: cutting prop bolt threads (Don Pearsall) 23. 08:20 PM - Re: cutting prop bolt threads (Lynn Matteson) 24. 09:36 PM - Re: Preheating (Frank Miles) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:57 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. John Kerr ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:06 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: aft CG service letter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" The Kitfox IV has a different WING then the Model 1, 2 or 3.. although some 3's have used a IV wing. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark.Summers@lwbref.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: aft CG service letter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark.Summers@lwbref.com I read in some of the service letters/bulletins that the model 4 KF aft CG limit had been expanded to 16" from 14.78" [I think]. From what I have read aft CG was 28% of mean aerodynamic chord[ 51" on kitfox 2]. I guess what I am asking does anyone know whether this applies to kitfox 1,2,3 etc? I think mac is the wing measurement leading to trailing edge? Does the Kitfox 4 have a different wing measurement than a kf2. Thanks Mark ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:53 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi John, I think VG's are a winner and that is a good price. Only way you can beat that is to make your own. But these come with a guarantee! I bought a different brand and tested them on my Fox during my 40 hrs of testing. I tried 5 or 6 different patterns and did some 50 or so stalls. I did get a significant improvement in handling and safety as far as I am concerned. I could still completely control the plane with full aft stick and bobbing in and out of stalls. I could even shove in considerable rudder and not spin out. Unfortunately I couldn't achieve any siginificant reduction in stall speeds and need to continue testing in the future. As I remember, reporting my testing on the list resulted in Landshorter jumping in to help. I consider that great customer concern and would support buying from them for that reason too. They supported me even though I had a different brand. I will certainly be going back to testing VG's whenever I get more time. Even without a reduction is stall speed, I like the slow flying qualities. This makes me feel much more confident about low speed landings and that alone would improve safety and short field work. Anticipating your question, my cruise speed was similar with VG's and without. Some patterns slowed me down a few mph and some didn't make a change in cruise performance. The major shortcoming of VG's to me is cleaning your plane. Ha ha. Ya gotta work around those things. Otherwise they are all a plus. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > recieved information on a set of vortes generators > for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the > price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about > Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making > the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. > > John Kerr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:14 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hinge Pin Staking --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Sorry for the delay guys.. Been out for a few days... I have done this a couple of ways: Shorter pin and crimped the hinge end , Shorter pin and drilled the hinge to be safetied, Longer pin with a bend... They all worked but I liked the drilled hinge the best so far.... Tried the same on the door hinge and installed a stainless wire with 2 bent 90's to keep in place. Fly Safe !! John McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hinge Pin Staking --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" Just don't do what my neighbor advised me to do and try to stake them with a punch. I made a mess of mine. Ed Downs of Skystar advised just making a 90 degree bend at each hinge pin end. Maybe John McBean will give us an input here. -------- Vic Baker Series 7 Carson City, Nevada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11333#11333 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:19 AM PST US From: "dcaofak" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" Prop bolts have a longer threaded portion than standard AN bolts. When selecting bolts for your propellor make certain that the bolt is not 'bottoming out' on the shoulder where the threads end. It is possible to torque a bolt in this condition to spec, and have little or no compression on the parts being bolted together. John Stoner KF III, 582 Alaska ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:47 AM PST US From: "John Disher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Disher" Listening to you guys kicking around stall speeds and slow landing speeds reminds me of my little escapade with seeing just how slow I could nring it in on final. I'm down to bringing it over the fence at about 40 when it stalls about 2 feet off the ground. It didn't drop the nose, flutter or anything, the bottom just dropped out and I think Charleston Southern Univ. measured it on their Richter Scale. Back to conservative approaches. -------Original Message------- From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi John, I think VG's are a winner and that is a good price. Only way you can beat that is to make your own. But these come with a guarantee! I bought a different brand and tested them on my Fox during my 40 hrs of testing. I tried 5 or 6 different patterns and did some 50 or so stalls. I did get a significant improvement in handling and safety as far as I am concerned. I could still completely control the plane with full aft stick and bobbing in and out of stalls. I could even shove in considerable rudder and not spin out. Unfortunately I couldn't achieve any siginificant reduction in stall speeds and need to continue testing in the future. As I remember, reporting my testing on the list resulted in Landshorter jumping in to help. I consider that great customer concern and would support buying from them for that reason too. They supported me even though I had a different brand. I will certainly be going back to testing VG's whenever I get more time. Even without a reduction is stall speed, I like the slow flying qualities. This makes me feel much more confident about low speed landings and that alone would improve safety and short field work. Anticipating your question, my cruise speed was similar with VG's and without. Some patterns slowed me down a few mph and some didn't make a change in cruise performance. The major shortcoming of VG's to me is cleaning your plane. Ha ha. Ya gotta work around those things. Otherwise they are all a plus. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > recieved information on a set of vortes generators > for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the > price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about > Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making > the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. > > John Kerr ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:00 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" John, Thanks for this web address. For all, Check out the "fun" on Landshorter's website. Some great pictures of some neat places and planes. Randy - VG's at some point in the future. . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. John Kerr ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:00 AM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" What is the conventional wisdom on preheating. I have K-lll w/ a Rotax 582. With my Cherokee I have always preheated when the ambient temp. was 40 degrees F. or below. What is recommended for these little engines. I don't think that it is matter of whether it will start but what is good for it. Frank - Lewston, Idaho ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:40 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" It is always better on an engine to pre-heat. There are a lot of advantages... one is: the oil will circulate easier and get to the critical areas better then when it cold and thick. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Miles Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" What is the conventional wisdom on preheating. I have K-lll w/ a Rotax 582. With my Cherokee I have always preheated when the ambient temp. was 40 degrees F. or below. What is recommended for these little engines. I don't think that it is matter of whether it will start but what is good for it. Frank - Lewston, Idaho ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating From: "wingnut" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:36 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels He is one of the engineers working on the new Quest aircraft out of northern Idaho. I have a set, but have not installed them yet. They look really good, and he said if I don't like them he will take them back. He came highly recommended to me from a mutual friend. Professional aeronautical engineer and an honest man. kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > >recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. > >John Kerr > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:55 PM PST US From: "Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" I use a small 110V auto interior heater purchased from Canadian Tire store (about $25.00). I put it in the front of the cowl and even at -20 deg C by the time I have removed the covers from my plane it has put enough heat into the engine to allow it spin easily and it starts every time. I'm not sure if my posts are getting to the list and would appreciate it if someone could confirm. GaryA Lite2/582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:52 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" Gary, Appreciate your remarks. What I really wanted to know was at what point do you decide to preheat and what engine do you have. The point has been made that preheating is always good but there is a point of diminishing return. The 582's do not have an oil reservoir like a normal four cycle, air cooled, aircraft engine. I am sure that the point to preheat is an arbitrary decision. What is yours? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" I use a small 110V auto interior heater purchased from Canadian Tire store (about $25.00). I put it in the front of the cowl and even at -20 deg C by the time I have removed the covers from my plane it has put enough heat into the engine to allow it spin easily and it starts every time. I'm not sure if my posts are getting to the list and would appreciate it if someone could confirm. GaryA Lite2/582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" What is the best (most effective) way to pre-heat? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11896#11896 -- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:21 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hinge Pin Staking --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels I use hitch pins in the hinges on the doors. That way I can remove them in a minute or so. jdmcbean wrote: >I have done this a couple of ways: Shorter pin and crimped the hinge end , >Shorter pin and drilled the hinge to be safetied, Longer pin with a bend... >They all worked but I liked the drilled hinge the best so far.... Tried the >same on the door hinge and installed a stainless wire with 2 bent 90's to >keep in place. > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:52 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" John, Joa is a good guy have talked with him several times... Although more expensive, we have chose to offer the aluminum VG's. Fly Safe !! John McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net recieved information on a set of vortes generators for 'Fox wings. At less than $100 with shipping, the price isn't bad. Does any one know anything about Joa Harrison of Harrison Designs LLC that is making the offer? Take a look at www.landshorter.com. John Kerr ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:16 PM PST US From: "Rich Williamson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in the 120in lbs range... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:16 PM PST US From: "Rich Williamson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in Maine.. When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self preheat... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:18 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Rich, I suspect you might hear of this from others also, but here goes. Aircraft bolts have rolled rather than cut threads to reduce the tendency for thread cutting leaving burs that could result in stress risers and ultimate stress fracture. I think good advice would be to get the proper prop bolts and fly with a bit less stress on you. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Williamson" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > > Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I > just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom > out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in > the 120in lbs range... > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:36 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled" threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By using a cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and what you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have a problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise to take that risk. If I'm off base on this someone please let me know. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Williamson" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > > Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in the 120in lbs range... > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:10 PM PST US From: DPREMGOOD@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com Loud and clear Gary, Our local flying club has the same heaters installed in the cowlings of the airplanes. What's more, they got Transport Canada approval to mount them onto the airframe. Doug Remoundos Montreal ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:48 PM PST US From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" Usually don't get to pre-heat...never had a problem, but I don't usually fly the 'Fox too much when it's below 30 anyway. Funny thing, I was going to take my Crew Partner (Cockpit Resource Mgmt Training in Multi-Engine Ops at school) flying low and slow...and the damn battery turned the prop over once and kicked the bucket. NEVER had a problem with it before...oh well. I hooked up the charger and started 'er up... Any ideas where I can get a good, inexpensive replacement? Thanks! Andrew KF3 582 68" GSC >From: "Rich Williamson" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:48:16 -0500 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > >Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in >Maine.. When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self >preheat... > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:10 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" I absolutely agree with Deke. When you die cut the AN bolts to extend the threads, the resulting threads are sharp and much thinner in cross section than the rolled threads. The FAA AC's even advise against this. You could not do this on a certified plane. If you look at them under a strong magnifying glass, you can even see the stress cracks (that's because I have done the same thing.) The threads will give way long before the rolled threads will. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled" threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By using a cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and what you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have a problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise to take that risk. If I'm off base on this someone please let me know. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Williamson" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > > Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not bottom out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in the in the 120in lbs range... > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Cutting threads like Rich is suggesting is fine if done for a non-stressed part on a ground-based vehicle, but for staking your life on...it's a bad idea. I've done work like Rich proposes on slow-poke cars, work benches, and house decks, but not on something that takes me and my loved ones up flying...don't do it! Lynn On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 09:11 PM, Don Pearsall wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > I absolutely agree with Deke. When you die cut the AN bolts to extend > the > threads, the resulting threads are sharp and much thinner in cross > section > than the rolled threads. The FAA AC's even advise against this. You > could > not do this on a certified plane. If you look at them under a strong > magnifying glass, you can even see the stress cracks (that's because I > have > done the same thing.) The threads will give way long before the rolled > threads will. > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:19 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: cutting prop bolt threads > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > Rich, there's a problem with what you're doing. AN bolts have "rolled" > threads which means they aren't cut, but rolled in with a machine. The > reason for this is to eliminate stress cracks in the threads. By > using a > cutting die on your bolts you're changing the properties of them and > what > you end up with is a bolt that does not have the tensile strenght or > predictability of a prop bolt. It's possible that you will never have > a > problem, but as important as prop bolts are, I don't think it's wise > to take > that risk. > If I'm off base on this someone please let me know. > Deke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Williamson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Torque ?s > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" >> >> >> Thank you, I did find this out and because of the "non prop" bolts.. I > just used a die nf 1/4-28 and lengthened the tread so it would not > bottom > out... They are AN4 bolts so I am thinking the torque specs must in > the in > the 120in lbs range... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:19 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" Just got a new battery from: Sport Plane, LLC. $71.50 + shipping. I have heard it said that a starting a cold soaked engine at -20% C. without preheating is equal to 200 hours of time on an engine. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Matthaey Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" Usually don't get to pre-heat...never had a problem, but I don't usually fly the 'Fox too much when it's below 30 anyway. Funny thing, I was going to take my Crew Partner (Cockpit Resource Mgmt Training in Multi-Engine Ops at school) flying low and slow...and the damn battery turned the prop over once and kicked the bucket. NEVER had a problem with it before...oh well. I hooked up the charger and started 'er up... Any ideas where I can get a good, inexpensive replacement? Thanks! Andrew KF3 582 68" GSC >From: "Rich Williamson" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Preheating >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:48:16 -0500 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rich Williamson" > >Pre heat below 40 F....!!!! We'd be preheating 6 months of the year in >Maine.. When the temp gets -10 F , we just stay by the fire and self >preheat... > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --