Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/15/06


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 04:21 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Rex Hefferan)
     2. 06:05 AM - Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat (wingnut)
     3. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Heat (tc9008@aol.com)
     4. 06:12 AM - Re: Welcome (wingnut)
     5. 07:24 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Michael Gibbs)
     6. 08:27 AM - wingnut (dcaofak)
     7. 09:07 AM - Re: wingnut (wingnut)
     8. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat (Bradley M Webb)
     9. 11:10 AM - Re: Recommended mods to my series 6 before covering? (W Duke)
    10. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat (kurt schrader)
    11. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Heat (Glenn Horne)
    12. 02:53 PM - Re: Cabin Heat (Rex)
    13. 03:53 PM - Ethanol Ugh ! (Rex Shaw)
    14. 04:17 PM - Aero Engine company for sale (Alan & Linda Daniels)
    15. 05:16 PM - Re: Aero Engine company for sale (Fox5flyer)
    16. 05:39 PM - Re: Aero Engine company for sale (tc9008@aol.com)
    17. 06:07 PM - Re: Ethanol in WA State (Brian Rodgers)
    18. 06:07 PM - Re: Aero Engine company for sale (Don Pearsall)
    19. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Welcome -off to mexico  (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:21:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cabin Heat
    From: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> wingnut wrote: > I am wingnut. wingnut am I. > > Was I supposed to make a formal introduction before I posted? Do I need credentials? Great username - Wingnut. Wish I had thought of it first. [Laughing] Hey, maybe Wingnut2? Naahh... do not archive -------- Rex N740GP Colorado Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12297#12297


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    Time: 06:05:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Thanks for the card. I'm still a student pilot but I hope to do some long distance flying in my Kitfox in the not too distant future. Places freindly to Kitfoxes will be high on my list of destinations :-) -Luis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12325#12325


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    Time: 06:05:13 AM PST US
    From: tc9008@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: tc9008@aol.com I'm in NC , glad to see someone close. I operate out of TDF in Roxboro, KItfox IV Travis -----Original Message----- From: wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:32:31 -0800 Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heat --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> I am wingnut. wingnut am I. I'm a guy who recently purchased a kitfox and joined the kitfox list. I fly N824KF out of 34A (Laurens, SC). Other than that, there's nothing worth noting about me. What is it that you want to know? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12156#12156


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    Time: 06:12:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Welcome
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Thanks!. Never had such a warm welcome to any on-line community (and I've been a part of many). This is really a unique forum. I was recently a neighbor of yours John. We moved here from Lovettsville, VA in Sept. I expect to be visiting your neck of the woods frequently as my work is still currently based in Northern VA. I'm hope to do the trip in my Kitfox when weather and the situation permits. -Luis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12333#12333


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    Time: 07:24:30 AM PST US
    From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> Wingnut sez: >Didn't meen to ruffle any feathers but I've been a citizen of the >internet since before there was a world wide web and no one has ever >asked me for my name before or suggested I was a friend because we >posted on the same forum. This is no ordinary internet forum, Wingnut. These are real people being real in the real world, none of this anonymous cyber-reality practiced elsewhere. Due to the nature and capabilities of our shared interest, many of them have met and know each other personally. They are not friends by virtual of posting to a forum, they really are friends! At a Kitfox (or Avid) fly-in, nobody says, "Hi, my name is quadmax." Many do not have 'net alter-egos and a few probably don't even know what that means. That said, it's a friendly and accepting group and you are most welcome. Lowell may or may not send you a birthday card but either way don't start feeling defensive. Before giving or receiving safety-critical information, isn't it important to know something about the source of that data? I've met Lowell personally and I think you'd like him. :-) Mike G. N728KF


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    Time: 08:27:07 AM PST US
    From: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
    Subject: wingnut
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net> Welcome to the list wingnut. You must be why I had to use Wingnut when I selected a logon name back in the early nineties. John Stoner KF3, 582 Alaska


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    Time: 09:07:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: wingnut
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Don't really follow but thanks. Flying in Alaska eh? BRRR. -Luis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12378#12378


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    Time: 09:17:21 AM PST US
    From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net> If you ever head down to Georgia, stop in at PXE and say hi. Bradley KF2 N1836 Middle GA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Thanks for the card. I'm still a student pilot but I hope to do some long distance flying in my Kitfox in the not too distant future. Places freindly to Kitfoxes will be high on my list of destinations :-) -Luis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12325#12325


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    Time: 11:10:09 AM PST US
    From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Recommended mods to my series 6 before covering?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> With an IO240 my battery had to go in the tail. I fashioned a hinged door to add better access to the battery. Also gives better access to the trim motor. Maxwell scooby harrington <scoobytrash@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington" I'm almost ready to cover now and I wanted to make sure that I've added all the mods that people have recommended over the years, here are the mods I have done: 1) reinforced horiz stab trim motor housing 2) added digital readout for trim position to replace coil spring/pull cable indicator 3) reinforced wing trailing edge with 3/8" tubing 4) reinforced both seats with strap slings to keep seats from contacting control tubes on hard landings 5) replace leakage prone hard plastic gas sighting tubes I did the flapperon rigging and elevator rigging figuring it would be much easier to do this before things got covered up, I also installed the cargo floor for the same reason. I havent done any of the firewall forward installation or instrument panel work but it doesnt look like that will be any more difficult after the bird is covered, is that accurate? Anything that you wish you did before covering? Thanks for your help!!!! Scooby Harrington ---------------------------------


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    Time: 11:27:40 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Yes, welcome to the list Wingnu.... ah Luis. :-) I hope you are putting in long range tanks. KitFox friendly places range far beyond the lower 48, like from South Africa to Norway, from Australia to ah, the Carolinas! Mexico to Canada.... And when we can get John to lead us, to Alaska and the exotic Atlantic islands. Haven't got the South American tour set up yet, but we've got an experienced prior S. American bush pilot on the list to assist with that. We have people here with talents that range just as far too. A&P mechanics, engineers, Rotax rebuilders, prior SkyStar employees, electronics experts, plumbers, doctors, big ship sailing instructors, Boeing drivers, U-2 pilots, survival experts..... And we are all friends. Well, except for Lowell, but we are trying to break him in. ;-) And you should see some of the planes they have built! Your Fox can take you to the "real people" you have been told about and will meet on this list. Grab the chance when you can. If you can't, please visit with us here as often as possible. You see, this is not your usual Blog.... :-) Kurt S. --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" > <wingnut@spamarrest.com> > > Thanks for the card. I'm still a student pilot but I > hope to do some long distance flying in my Kitfox in > the not too distant future. Places freindly to > Kitfoxes will be high on my list of destinations :-) > > -Luis


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    Time: 12:14:09 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net> I think you are just a nut. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heat > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> > > > wingnut wrote: >> I am wingnut. wingnut am I. >> >> Was I supposed to make a formal introduction before I posted? Do I need >> credentials? > > > Great username - Wingnut. Wish I had thought of it first. [Laughing] > Hey, maybe Wingnut2? Naahh... > > do not archive > > -------- > Rex > N740GP > Colorado > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12297#12297 > > >


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    Time: 02:53:32 PM PST US
    From: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
    Subject: Re: Cabin Heat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> Which one of us? Or both? :-\ Rex do not archive Glenn Horne wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net> > >I think you are just a nut. >Glenn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:18 AM >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heat > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> >> >> >>wingnut wrote: >> >> >>>I am wingnut. wingnut am I. >>> >>>Was I supposed to make a formal introduction before I posted? Do I need >>>credentials? >>> >>> >>Great username - Wingnut. Wish I had thought of it first. [Laughing] >>Hey, maybe Wingnut2? Naahh... >> >>do not archive >> >>-------- >>Rex >>N740GP >>Colorado >> >>


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    Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US
    From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Ethanol Ugh !
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> We have 10% ethanol in all our auto fuel and octane ratings in the Chicago area for the last five years! So far no ill effects in my fuel tanks nor my engine! Herbert Gottelt M4-1200,UL. Mt. Prospect, IL Hi ! Herbert, In a previous life I raced Karts. All two strokes In one particular class we all ran methanol for fuel and for quite sometime all but one of us at our club kept having bearing problems mainly the big end. We then observed that the one that didn't have any where near as much trouble was running petrol and mineral based oil through his motor at the end of the days racing. He would just wind in the primary and secondary jets to accomodate the petrol mixture and run the motor for a few minutes. With a bit of thought we worked out that the Methanol and the synthetic oil both absorb moisture and if left in the motor the needle bearings were getting tiny spots of rust in a short time and so failed very prematurely. Now i can understand your 4 stroke motor surviving on Ethanol but I wonder if anyone can comment on what 2 or 10% Ethanol is doing to two strokes. I have a 582 and frankly at this point in time I would not use it. Fortunately I am in Australia and we are just beginning to see this Ethanol in our fuel especially in South Australia where i am anyway. Of course Ethanol has caused many problems in 4 strokes with some car manufacturers not allowing it under their warranty. However to my knowledge the problems have been due to things like steel fuel lines rusting from the inside and corosion in carburetors. These things can be corrected but how do you practically overcome the problem of needle bearings rusting in a two stroke ? Does anyone have answers ? The thing is these bearings are not likely to fail on run-up but up in the air and a failure is going to mean engine out. I realise we could run Avgas and then add an additive to overcome the lead in it fouling the plugs. However Avgas costs a lot more and then we also need to pay more for the additive plus mess around putting the right amount in. Any better ideas or experience ? Rex.


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    Time: 04:17:23 PM PST US
    From: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
    Subject: Aero Engine company for sale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> As many of you know I have liked my CAM 100 engine in my Fox. It is now 10 years old and pushing 800 hours on it with no real problems. They have a 5 year 500 hour warranty. The company has made many improvements on the design, and now use the V-Tech Honda engine that gives a better power curve than an O-320 until about 130 HP with an all up weight of a little more than an O-200. The reason I tell you this is that in conversation with the owner the other day he said that he is now in his 80's and is starting to think it might be time to have someone else take the engine company to the next level. It is just getting too busy for him. He and his associates that run the company are pilots and engineers, and have not done much to market the engines. They sell to a hovercraft company and for gyrocopters, along with aircraft. It would also be a great air boat or generator engine. I don't know how many of the engines are in airplanes, but they have a lot of run time experience. As those of you in business know it is frequently not the designers and engineers that make a good product go, it is the next group that knows how to do something with the good product. This may be the case with this company. The price for the company is really pennies on the dollar considering the R&D, tooling, and reputation ( The price is probably worth it just for their electronic ignition systems and their redrives for chevy engines) I am not part of the company, I have no economic interest in the company, and I am getting no commission for this. These are just great guys with a good product. Their web site, which is old and out of date is www.firewall.ca and the person you want to contact if interested is Bob Masters at info@firewall.ca They are not considering shutting down the company, Its just that he would like time to fly and play a little. When I get in my 80's I will probably fell the same way. Thank you and I apologize if you consider this improper use of the list. Alan > >


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    Time: 05:16:31 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: Aero Engine company for sale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Very proper use of the List Alan. Thanks for the heads up as many of us are always looking at engine alternatives. Hopefully someone will grab that ball and run with it. Deke Morisse List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aero Engine company for sale > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> > > As many of you know I have liked my CAM 100 engine in my Fox. It is now > 10 years old and pushing 800 hours on it with no real problems. They > have a 5 year 500 hour warranty. The company has made many improvements > on the design, and now use the V-Tech Honda engine that gives a better > power curve than an O-320 until about 130 HP with an all up weight of a > little more than an O-200. The reason I tell you this is that in > conversation with the owner the other day he said that he is now in his > 80's and is starting to think it might be time to have someone else take > the engine company to the next level. It is just getting too busy for > him. He and his associates that run the company are pilots and > engineers, and have not done much to market the engines. They sell to a > hovercraft company and for gyrocopters, along with aircraft. It would > also be a great air boat or generator engine. I don't know how many of > the engines are in airplanes, but they have a lot of run time > experience. As those of you in business know it is frequently not the > designers and engineers that make a good product go, it is the next > group that knows how to do something with the good product. This may be > the case with this company. The price for the company is really pennies > on the dollar considering the R&D, tooling, and reputation ( The price > is probably worth it just for their electronic ignition systems and > their redrives for chevy engines) I am not part of the company, I have > no economic interest in the company, and I am getting no commission for > this. These are just great guys with a good product. Their web site, > which is old and out of date is www.firewall.ca and the person you > want to contact if interested is Bob Masters at info@firewall.ca > > They are not considering shutting down the company, Its just that he > would like time to fly and play a little. When I get in my 80's I will > probably fell the same way. > > Thank you and I apologize if you consider this improper use of the list. > > Alan > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:39:08 PM PST US
    From: tc9008@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Aero Engine company for sale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: tc9008@aol.com How is this honda engine priced in comparison to the rotax ? Travis -----Original Message----- From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aero Engine company for sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Very proper use of the List Alan. Thanks for the heads up as many of us are always looking at engine alternatives. Hopefully someone will grab that ball and run with it. Deke Morisse List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aero Engine company for sale > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> > > As many of you know I have liked my CAM 100 engine in my Fox. It is now > 10 years old and pushing 800 hours on it with no real problems. They > have a 5 year 500 hour warranty. The company has made many improvements > on the design, and now use the V-Tech Honda engine that gives a better > power curve than an O-320 until about 130 HP with an all up weight of a > little more than an O-200. The reason I tell you this is that in > conversation with the owner the other day he said that he is now in his > 80's and is starting to think it might be time to have someone else take > the engine company to the next level. It is just getting too busy for > him. He and his associates that run the company are pilots and > engineers, and have not done much to market the engines. They sell to a > hovercraft company and for gyrocopters, along with aircraft. It would > also be a great air boat or generator engine. I don't know how many of > the engines are in airplanes, but they have a lot of run time > experience. As those of you in business know it is frequently not the > designers and engineers that make a good product go, it is the next > group that knows how to do something with the good product. This may be > the case with this company. The price for the company is really pennies > on the dollar considering the R&D, tooling, and reputation ( The price > is probably worth it just for their electronic ignition systems and > their redrives for chevy engines) I am not part of the company, I have > no economic interest in the company, and I am getting no commission for > this. These are just great guys with a good product. Their web site, > which is old and out of date is www.firewall.ca and the person you > want to contact if interested is Bob Masters at info@firewall.ca > > They are not considering shutting down the company, Its just that he > would like time to fly and play a little. When I get in my 80's I will > probably fell the same way. > > Thank you and I apologize if you consider this improper use of the list. > > Alan > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:07:40 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net>
    Subject: Re: Ethanol in WA State
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Rodgers" <brodg@texas.net> So, John, this is insightful, however, I would like to know if you agree or disagree with this proposal to add ethanol and why. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Ethanol in WA State > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> > > Heads up.. this was just posted on another site > > A legislator in WA state is trying to get a 2% ethanol in gasoline > requirement passed in the current legislative session. > > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > >


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    Time: 06:07:40 PM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: Aero Engine company for sale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> I saw Alan's CAM engine at a few Skystar fly-ins. Very clean engine and well designed. Obviously holds up well too. I am surprised that you do not see many CAMs in sport planes. This could be an opportunity for someone with good sales skills (and $$$.) Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda Daniels Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aero Engine company for sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> As many of you know I have liked my CAM 100 engine in my Fox. It is now 10 years old and pushing 800 hours on it with no real problems. They have a 5 year 500 hour warranty. The company has made many improvements on the design, and now use the V-Tech Honda engine that gives a better power curve than an O-320 until about 130 HP with an all up weight of a little more than an O-200. The reason I tell you this is that in conversation with the owner the other day he said that he is now in his 80's and is starting to think it might be time to have someone else take the engine company to the next level. It is just getting too busy for him. He and his associates that run the company are pilots and engineers, and have not done much to market the engines. They sell to a hovercraft company and for gyrocopters, along with aircraft. It would also be a great air boat or generator engine. I don't know how many of the engines are in airplanes, but they have a lot of run time experience. As those of you in business know it is frequently not the designers and engineers that make a good product go, it is the next group that knows how to do something with the good product. This may be the case with this company. The price for the company is really pennies on the dollar considering the R&D, tooling, and reputation ( The price is probably worth it just for their electronic ignition systems and their redrives for chevy engines) I am not part of the company, I have no economic interest in the company, and I am getting no commission for this. These are just great guys with a good product. Their web site, which is old and out of date is www.firewall.ca and the person you want to contact if interested is Bob Masters at info@firewall.ca They are not considering shutting down the company, Its just that he would like time to fly and play a little. When I get in my 80's I will probably fell the same way. Thank you and I apologize if you consider this improper use of the list. Alan > >


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