---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/16/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:44 AM - Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat (wingnut) 2. 08:56 AM - Wing Rig Alignment (Matt Teixeira) 3. 10:30 AM - NSI Isolation Module (Peter Graichen) 4. 11:00 AM - Bottom False Ribs (Zimmermans) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: NSI Isolation Module (Fox5flyer) 6. 11:36 AM - Re: Wing Rig Alignment (Lowell Fitt) 7. 11:37 AM - Re: Bottom False Ribs (Lowell Fitt) 8. 12:51 PM - Re: Wing Rig Alignment (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 9. 01:25 PM - Re: Wing Rig Alignment (Matt Teixeira) 10. 02:04 PM - Re: VOR Antenna (Dcecil3@aol.com) 11. 02:59 PM - Re: NSI Isolation Module (Michael Logan) 12. 11:11 PM - Re: NSI Isolation Module (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Welcome - was Cabin Heat From: "wingnut" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" Alaska!? Brrr. Not without my tupperware :-) Count me in for the next flight to Bimini though! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12639#12639 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:59 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment From: "Matt Teixeira" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" Gentlemen This list is great; your collective experience and willingness to help has saved me a lot of time and headache. I'm currently on the wings un-building what the previous kit owner did to the left wing of my IV-1200 serial #1883. I have corrected a poor rib #8 installation and will move on to #9 next; they obviously settled during epoxy setup and were 3/8" out of vertical plumb. Fortunately, a check for washout and square proved correct. The #2 rib is 3/16" out of vertical plumb. I hate to ask the question, but is 3/16" so far out as to be a safety issue? I will do whatever is necessary to build a safe airplane, but these ribs (and operator) take some abuse during the slow and careful heat gun process. Thanks again guys. Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:50 AM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello NSI Subaru drivers: Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of you found a source for the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture? Or do you know of a person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You do realize that if one of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in the water. Peter Graichen http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:07 AM PST US From: "Zimmermans" Subject: Kitfox-List: Bottom False Ribs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" Anyone have a set of bottom false ribs they want to sell. jezim@pro-ns.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:21 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Are you telling us that you're dead in the water Peter? I doubt that those units were actually manufactured by NSI. The first person I'd call would be Mykal Templeman at Stratus. As he worked for NSI for quite some time, if anybody would know where to get one, he would. Are you sure it's the IM? What are the symptoms? Deke > > Hello NSI Subaru drivers: > > Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of you found a source for > the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture? Or do you know of a > person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You do realize that if one > of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in the water. > Peter Graichen > http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:26 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Matt, Settling does occur. I remember checking mine every hour or so as the 3-M structural adhesive set up and had to tweak constantly and still not perfect. In answer to your question, though, I suspect the only functional problem you might see is if the rib in question is one that supports the flaperon attach brackets. Alignment on those are pretty important. The others? probably mostly cosmetic as gross misalignment will be visible through the fabric. Where are you in Fresno? Are you close to any GA airports or is FAT your base? Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Teixeira" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > > Gentlemen > This list is great; your collective experience and willingness to help > has saved me a lot of time and headache. > I'm currently on the wings un-building what the previous kit owner did > to the left wing of my IV-1200 serial #1883. I have corrected a poor > rib #8 installation and will move on to #9 next; they obviously settled > during epoxy setup and were 3/8" out of vertical plumb. Fortunately, a > check for washout and square proved correct. > The #2 rib is 3/16" out of vertical plumb. I hate to ask the question, > but is 3/16" so far out as to be a safety issue? I will do whatever is > necessary to build a safe airplane, but these ribs (and operator) take > some abuse during the slow and careful heat gun process. > Thanks again guys. > Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:29 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bottom False Ribs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" We could probably make up a set of those puppies. I have been working on my router table lately. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zimmermans" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Bottom False Ribs > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" > > Anyone have a set of bottom false ribs they want to sell. > jezim@pro-ns.net > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:53 PM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net I remember running masking tape along the bottoms and tops to keep everything lined up until the epoxy set up. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lowell Fitt" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Matt, > > Settling does occur. I remember checking mine every hour or so as the 3-M > structural adhesive set up and had to tweak constantly and still not > perfect. > > In answer to your question, though, I suspect the only functional problem > you might see is if the rib in question is one that supports the flaperon > attach brackets. Alignment on those are pretty important. The others? > probably mostly cosmetic as gross misalignment will be visible through the > fabric. > > Where are you in Fresno? Are you close to any GA airports or is FAT your > base? > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Teixeira" > To: "kitfox-list@matronics.com" <'kitfox-list@matronics.com'> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:55 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > > > > > > Gentlemen > > This list is great; your collective experience and willingness to help > > has saved me a lot of time and headache. > > I'm currently on the wings un-building what the previous kit owner did > > to the left wing of my IV-1200 serial #1883. I have corrected a poor > > rib #8 installation and will move on to #9 next; they obviously settled > > during epoxy setup and were 3/8" out of vertical plumb. Fortunately, a > > check for washout and square proved correct. > > The #2 rib is 3/16" out of vertical plumb. I hate to ask the question, > > but is 3/16" so far out as to be a safety issue? I will do whatever is > > necessary to build a safe airplane, but these ribs (and operator) take > > some abuse during the slow and careful heat gun process. > > Thanks again guys. > > Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember running masking tape along the bottoms and tops to keep everything lined up until the epoxy set up. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lowell Fitt" lcfitt@sbcglobal.net -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Matt, Settling does occur. I remember checking mine every hour or so as the 3-M structural adhesive set up and had to tweak constantly and still not perfect. In answer to your question, though, I suspect the only functional problem you might see is if the rib in question is one that supports the flaperon attach brackets. Alignment on those are pretty important. The others? probably mostly cosmetic as gross misalignment will be visible through the fabric. Where are you in Fresno? Are you close to any GA airports or is FAT your base? Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Teixeira" To: "kitfox-list@matronics.com" 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" Gentlemen This list is great; your collective experience and willingness to help has saved me a lot of time and headache. I'm currently on the wings un-building what the previous kit owner did to the left wing of my IV-1200 serial #1883. I have corrected a poor rib #8 installation and will move on to #9 next; they obviously settled during epoxy setup and were 3/8" out of vertical plumb. Fortunately, a check for washout and square proved correct. & gt; The #2 rib is 3/16" out of vertical plumb. I hate to ask the question, but is 3/16" so far out as to be a safety issue? I will do whatever is necessary to build a safe airplane, but these ribs (and operator) take some abuse during the slow and careful heat gun process. Thanks again guys. Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment From: "Matt Teixeira" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" Lowell Thanks for your reply. You have settled my mind on my rib #2. I'm usually based at work just 1/4 mile from FCH, Fresno's downtown airport. Close enough to run down and take a pilot and their passenger to lunch or to run cans to a local mogas station. Just let me know when you are coming in. Right now, I'm 30 miles north building an Ethanol Plant in Madera; basically a giant still on steroids. Yes, I can say with relative certainty, that our mogas will now and forever be blended with a percentage of ethanol. Building my Kitfox is a dream come true. I can't wait to join the ranks of you guys and fly a plane that you assembled yourselves. I have to admit that I was very concerned when Skystar closed their doors, but you and the others on this list as well as my local EAA have kept me building and not selling. I have a list of questions, but I'll hold back until I get closer to those areas of the build. Are you in Southern California or Oregon? Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Matt, Settling does occur. I remember checking mine every hour or so as the 3-M structural adhesive set up and had to tweak constantly and still not perfect. In answer to your question, though, I suspect the only functional problem you might see is if the rib in question is one that supports the flaperon attach brackets. Alignment on those are pretty important. The others? probably mostly cosmetic as gross misalignment will be visible through the fabric. Where are you in Fresno? Are you close to any GA airports or is FAT your base? Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Teixeira" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rig Alignment > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > > Gentlemen > This list is great; your collective experience and willingness to help > has saved me a lot of time and headache. > I'm currently on the wings un-building what the previous kit owner did > to the left wing of my IV-1200 serial #1883. I have corrected a poor > rib #8 installation and will move on to #9 next; they obviously settled > during epoxy setup and were 3/8" out of vertical plumb. Fortunately, a > check for washout and square proved correct. > The #2 rib is 3/16" out of vertical plumb. I hate to ask the question, > but is 3/16" so far out as to be a safety issue? I will do whatever is > necessary to build a safe airplane, but these ribs (and operator) take > some abuse during the slow and careful heat gun process. > Thanks again guys. > Matt IV-1200, Fresno, CA. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:55 PM PST US From: Dcecil3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VOR Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Thanks Guys for the maney ideas I've sold the Kitfox so would you plase take me off this list Thanks again David Cecil ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:27 PM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" The coil joiners or isolation modules are the weak point in the ignition of the NSI setup. I have never heard of anyone having their ignition go bad with the exception of some of us with the early models that had the pickups go bad. Right now I am running without the modules on one ignition since my modules went tango uniform on me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello NSI Subaru drivers: Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of you found a source for the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture? Or do you know of a person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You do realize that if one of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in the water. Peter Graichen http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:37 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Haven't crossed that bridge yet Peter. I wonder if the internal diodes have the manufacturer and pertinent data stamped on them? If you are still operating, leave it alone, but if not, getting at the insides might be useful. They are just big diodes, though handling high voltage as they do must be a challenge for them. Still, I haven't heard of any actually being the cause of failure yet. I lost one P/U coil, but nothing more. As far as I remember, you don't fix diodes. Only a wire failure into or out of them is repairable. That could possible be a problem with burnthru at a contact point. Kurt S. --- Peter Graichen wrote: > Hello NSI Subaru drivers: > > Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of > you found a source for > the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture? > Or do you know of a > person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You > do realize that if one > of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in > the water. > Peter Graichen > http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm