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1. 01:26 AM - SV: PDA Gps (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: SV: Re: Welcome (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (Chenoweth)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (Chenoweth)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (Chenoweth)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: engine out (Algate)
7. 07:23 AM - Re: Emergency engine out WAS: Air start on 912ULS (Rex)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (Andrew Matthaey)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (mark thomson)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (Michael Gibbs)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Andrew Matthaey)
12. 01:18 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (eccles)
13. 01:39 PM - Florida. WAS: First Flight Report (Michel Verheughe)
14. 01:45 PM - Re: engine out (Michel Verheughe)
15. 01:47 PM - Frappr WAS: Welcome (Michel Verheughe)
16. 01:55 PM - Re: NSI Isolation Module (Fox5flyer)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Frappr WAS: Welcome (Lynn Matteson)
18. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Eric)
19. 04:22 PM - Re: NSI Isolation Module (Michael Logan)
20. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (James Shumaker)
21. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Aerobatics@aol.com)
22. 09:58 PM - Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (ron schick)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Eric [iworonko@cox.net]
> I am getting ready to buy a PDA with intent of using it as a nav GPS.
Eric, prior to flying from Norway to Belgium, last summer, I decided to buy a PDA
with GPS. I bought the Garmin M5, which is a PDA with GPS antenna. I then got
PocketFMS as the software and I have been EXTREMELY pleased with it!
The software package includes everything you need and more. Flight planning on
your PC, downloading it to the PDA etc. and ... it is still free! (I say: still,
because I know they intend to go commercial in the near future). If you are
interested, look at:
www.pocketfms.com
It made my trip accross the restricted airspace of Sweden, Denmark, Germany, The
Netherlands and Belgium, so much easier! As a rookie pilot, I don't think I
would have dared to make that trip alone without this tool.
The problem with PDA is, of course, the poor quality of the display in sun light.
The Garmin integrated PDA + GPS is a bit pricey but Acer, Navman and Mio have
cheaper models.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: SV: Re: Welcome |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Michel-
I was expecting to hear a "No" answer to this question, because I
recall that when the frappr thing was first introduced here on this
group, you had trouble there because of your use of a Mac, the same box
that I use. Did you finally make it work? I tried once, and gave up
because I didn't see myself there after I posted my info.
Lynn
On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 02:35 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Feb 17, 2006, at 7:16 PM, wingnut wrote:
>
>> Are you on the kitfox owners map on frappr?
>
> Yes, I am Luis. Here is the link:
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr&id=78369
>
> Hasta luego,
>
> Michel (de vuelta en Noruega!)
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Jim,
Thanks for your comments. In my case it appears that I'm getting a lot more
help from my idling engine than I'd thought possible. In fact, I think my
descent rate was a lot more than one should expect with a stopped prop.
Since this was my first run at this I'm planning to go back and do it some
more just to confirm my glide speeds and ranges.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Shumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bill
>
> Yes I had the same reaction from the list several years ago. There had
been two or three off field landing where the pilots had reported that they
had the landing made and then over ran the landing field and hit a ditch or
something. I went up and test with idle prop and engine off and discovered
that the stall is much higher and the glide was much better with the prop
stopped (about 5 mph and about 2 points in glide). I guess everyone else
already knew this or they did not believe me because I got virtually no
response. Or maybe they just went out and practiced. So, no, we are not
surprised by the increase in stall or the increase in glide. The MAGNITUDE
of the difference is what cathes us off guard.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
> Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth"
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> Andrew,
> One of the reasons I posted my first ever shut down was my surprise at the
> difference in stall speed between an idling and stopped engine. That
hasn't
> seemed to have surprised anyone - at least no one has expressed surprise.
> Have you found the same difference in stall speeds in your shutdowns?
Also,
> do you have best glide speeds for a stopped engine glide?
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Andrew,
Back when I was doing my 40 hours I found that my sink rate (as timed, not
as per VSI) got lower the slower I flew (a bit like what I experienced
during my glider training) down to about 45 mph where I quite measuring.
Given what I know now re the engine out performance I'd say the speeds and
performance I came up with then are highly suspect. Ergo, the plan to re do
them with the engine stopped.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> Yep - a prop spinning at idle should, in my experience, increase the
> stall-speed. In multi-engine training, you don't always shut-down and
> feather one motor for practice. Instead, you idle the engine (which causes
a
> lot of drag), and then increase the throttle slightly to simulate
> zero-thrust (also, minimum of drag, such as when the prop is feathered).
>
> As far as a best-glide speed is...In my Model 3, I find my Min-Sink
airspeed
> first. That gives me the lowest rate of descent, but not best-glide. Now
> Best-glide is usually just a little faster, so if my min-sink speed is 50,
> I'll add a few mph and fly at 55, a good rough speed.
>
> In my primary training a couple years ago I flew a motorglider a few
times.
> With some manuevering, you can plot data points on a graph to make a Power
> Required/Power Available curve. Then it's very easy to find the exact
speeds
> you're looking for (for your actual aircraft, not generic!). I'd have to
dig
> around my notes somewhat because I forget the exact way to get the data in
> the aircraft...
>
> Andrew
>
>
> >From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:33:58 -0500
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >
> >Andrew,
> >One of the reasons I posted my first ever shut down was my surprise at
the
> >difference in stall speed between an idling and stopped engine. That
> >hasn't
> >seemed to have surprised anyone - at least no one has expressed surprise.
> >Have you found the same difference in stall speeds in your shutdowns?
> >Also,
> >do you have best glide speeds for a stopped engine glide?
> >Bill
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:24 AM
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Half Moon Bay?! Would that be in California? I've heard of the
airport -
> >if
> > > you take-off and head west from it in FlightSimulator, you'll hit an
> > > aircraft carrier in the Pacific...
> > >
> > > Anywho, I routinely shut-down in the air just because I like the
feeling
> >of
> > > gliding...don't ever count on air-restart with these engines (and I
have
> >a
> > > 582). It's starter or ropestart only!
> > >
> > > It was a surprise then when I started my Multi-Engine training some
> >months
> > > ago to find that after a complete shut-down of the right engine
> >(including
> > > prop-feather), the engine WILL airstart once you bring the props
forward
> >out
> > > of feather!
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> > > >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:57:49 +0000
> > > >
> > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
> > > ><clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >With all the talk about engine out, decided to try a dead engine
> >condition.
> > > >Up to 3500 ft over Half Moon Bay airport. Shut engine down, checked
> >glide
> > > >at 65 & 70 mph. At 70 was even 500 ft/min prop stopped. Could not
get
> >an
> > > >airstart. Air speed up to 140, prop turned through compression about
3
> > > >times, down to 1200 feet, started engine with starter. No air start
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| Subject: | Re: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Kurt,
Back when I was building I looked into an AOA system and decided against it
mostly due to cost. There were some issues with mounting it on a fabric
covered plane, too. Kind of wish I'd bought one now because I think it
would be interesting to have some precise information on best speeds. A
friend has one on his RV7A and finds it very helpful.
Great advice on the engine starts. I'm guessing that the folks you describe
as loosing their engines after restart and powering away are flying
two-strokes, right? I certainly gave that particular point a lot of thought
when working out my plans though I do have the blue head 582 which has a
thermostat. Even so I did approach the application of power after the
restart with a lot of caution.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> OK, to respond to the stall speed changes....
>
> This is one of the things I had to be very careful of
> when I did my stall testing with a CAP prop. You
> could get very different stall speeds with different
> prop pitch settings that would throw off all your
> other data.
>
> This is also when an angle of attack system really
> helps. The same AOA should give you best results with
> all other changes. Your glide path will vary with
> conditions, but with AOA, you can always find the best
> glide given your current condition. Make sense?
>
> I think that the fuselage and wing root section lift
> can be greatly infleuenced by prop blast or
> windmilling prop wake. You face both the problem of
> prop drag and steeper glide from a windmilling prop,
> with the greater stall speed of the destroyed lift
> behind the windmilling prop. Then you add the false
> impression of good glides from idle prop thrust with
> the engine running. All this makes for a more
> difficult time in judging engine out practice landings
> from real ones.
>
> When I got my KitFox tailwheel checkout in an S-4, I
> was surprised at how steep a glide I needed. Engine
> out patterns had to be close to the runway! I was
> always low and short at first.
>
> I would suggest that any engine out testing be done at
> higher altitudes with a planned restart by 2000`AGL.
> Make sure to be over a landing place in case of no
> restart. The 2000` will give you more time to set up
> for landing and then try the restart. Plan to land
> engine out, then restart. Quit trying to restart
> whenever you need to pay attention to landing.
>
> Make sure you don`t have an engine failure again down
> low after you have overflown your runway. We lost one
> KitFox pilot in Mexico from that and I have heard of
> other pilots being caught the same way. They power
> away from their landing, then the engine quits.
>
> Instead, start the engine on descent and land anyway.
>
> There is a lot more that can be covered on this
> subject. Maybe that is why no one jumped right in.
> It can get very complex, but is necessary to know.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have also done quite a few practice "dead stick" landings - mainly I
winter over frozen lakes. One thing you need to be careful of is a cold
seizure if you do a re-start and apply too much power. The engine really
cools down quickly on a dead stick descent!
GaryA
Lite2/582
>The background goes something like this. I'm a relatively low-time pilot
(350 hrs) with about 200 in my Kitfox (IV-1200 582 w/IVO medium) and the
rest in 172s. Recently I've been chasing a vibration that was almost
certainly prop, gearbox, or engine. But, in the interest of thoroughness I
decided to fly to 3000', shut down, and do some gliding to see if, perhaps,
the airframe was producing the problem (it wasn't). I invited my tech
counselor along because he's the coolest person I know under even the most
trying circumstances and I can be excitable.
>
>As an aside, since this is a two-stroke engine I've been very concerned
with the possibility of an engine-induced forced landing so all (I mean All)
of my downwind, base, and finals have been with engine at idle (I have the
idle set at about 2050 - 2100 on the ground). I've figured I might as well
be ready in case I really have an engine out. Wasted effort - see below.
>
>To get to the end of the story, we did four separate climbs to about 3000,
shut-downs, and descents to a landing. My plan now is to enlist this
willing victim in data collection as I go to 3500 and do engine-out glides
at speeds from 45 mph to 65 mph to re-calculate the best glide speeds.
>
>Here's the story.
>Yesterday was a perfectly calm day. We climbed to 3000. Overcoming my
increasing reluctance to actually do it, I shut the engine off. But,
surprise number 1, there was not an abrupt stop. It ran for a good 15 - 20
seconds as I slowly pulled the nose up into a stall - then the prop quit
turning (except for a spastic sort of turn as it went jerkily past
compression).
>The next surprise was that it wasn't all that quiet - wind noise.
>Next was the stall speed - about 42 mph. All my previous stalls had been
at about 34 mph. They were all with the engine idling.
>Finally the descent rate at best glide speed (55 mph but determined with
the engine idling) was pretty fast and we didn't seem to be covering a lot
of ground. There was essentially no wind at 1000 to 2000 AGL. The descent
rate was 500+ fpm.
>
>Of my four descents to landing only two were on the runway initially
chosen. One was on a closer runway due to being too low to make the
original destination. One was aborted about 500' AGL due to being too low.
There is a story there, too. When I decided I needed to restart, the engine
didn't cooperate. It took several tries and a hundred or so feet of
altitude to get it going. I had the throttle at idle and with one hand
flying and the other cranking there was no way to give it more gas. After
that experience I locked the throttle at about 1/3 and the engine started
fine.
>
>To summarize - this experience was so unlike what I'd expected (and
presumably practiced for) that it was startling.
>
>I'm very interested in comments from any of you. Including criticisms of
technique or action.
>
>Bill
>Albion, Maine
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency engine out WAS: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Great post Kurt and others.
I'm guilty of sometimes deleting certain posts based on the subject
line if it appears it won't apply to my model Kitfox or equipment, etc.
I'm glad I presisted and continued to read the thread instead of trying
to make my daily email task more efficient. I also tend to read posts
from certain listers regardless of the subject (such as Kurts).
Might I suggest that we follow the practice of changing/amending the
subject line to help folks like me? (such as I've done with this subject
line) I wouldn't want anyone to miss out on advice that's of vital
benefit to all of us.
Rex
Colorado (currently Orlando,FL)
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| Subject: | Re: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
45 doesn't seem too far off, Bill...what model are you flying and with what
powerplant?
Andrew
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>From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:30:19 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
>Andrew,
>Back when I was doing my 40 hours I found that my sink rate (as timed, not
>as per VSI) got lower the slower I flew (a bit like what I experienced
>during my glider training) down to about 45 mph where I quite measuring.
>Given what I know now re the engine out performance I'd say the speeds and
>performance I came up with then are highly suspect. Ergo, the plan to re
>do
>them with the engine stopped.
>Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Yep - a prop spinning at idle should, in my experience, increase the
> > stall-speed. In multi-engine training, you don't always shut-down and
> > feather one motor for practice. Instead, you idle the engine (which
>causes
>a
> > lot of drag), and then increase the throttle slightly to simulate
> > zero-thrust (also, minimum of drag, such as when the prop is feathered).
> >
> > As far as a best-glide speed is...In my Model 3, I find my Min-Sink
>airspeed
> > first. That gives me the lowest rate of descent, but not best-glide. Now
> > Best-glide is usually just a little faster, so if my min-sink speed is
>50,
> > I'll add a few mph and fly at 55, a good rough speed.
> >
> > In my primary training a couple years ago I flew a motorglider a few
>times.
> > With some manuevering, you can plot data points on a graph to make a
>Power
> > Required/Power Available curve. Then it's very easy to find the exact
>speeds
> > you're looking for (for your actual aircraft, not generic!). I'd have to
>dig
> > around my notes somewhat because I forget the exact way to get the data
>in
> > the aircraft...
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > >From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> > >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:33:58 -0500
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> > >
> > >Andrew,
> > >One of the reasons I posted my first ever shut down was my surprise at
>the
> > >difference in stall speed between an idling and stopped engine. That
> > >hasn't
> > >seemed to have surprised anyone - at least no one has expressed
>surprise.
> > >Have you found the same difference in stall speeds in your shutdowns?
> > >Also,
> > >do you have best glide speeds for a stopped engine glide?
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:24 AM
> > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> > ><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Half Moon Bay?! Would that be in California? I've heard of the
>airport -
> > >if
> > > > you take-off and head west from it in FlightSimulator, you'll hit an
> > > > aircraft carrier in the Pacific...
> > > >
> > > > Anywho, I routinely shut-down in the air just because I like the
>feeling
> > >of
> > > > gliding...don't ever count on air-restart with these engines (and I
>have
> > >a
> > > > 582). It's starter or ropestart only!
> > > >
> > > > It was a surprise then when I started my Multi-Engine training some
> > >months
> > > > ago to find that after a complete shut-down of the right engine
> > >(including
> > > > prop-feather), the engine WILL airstart once you bring the props
>forward
> > >out
> > > > of feather!
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Air start on 912ULS
> > > > >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:57:49 +0000
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
> > > > ><clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >With all the talk about engine out, decided to try a dead engine
> > >condition.
> > > > >Up to 3500 ft over Half Moon Bay airport. Shut engine down,
>checked
> > >glide
> > > > >at 65 & 70 mph. At 70 was even 500 ft/min prop stopped. Could not
>get
> > >an
> > > > >airstart. Air speed up to 140, prop turned through compression
>about
>3
> > > > >times, down to 1200 feet, started engine with starter. No air
>start
> > >with
> > > > >those high compression engines. Clint
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
Hi Grant I am interested also in one of your promotional videos,I have a kitfox
iv classic also powered with a mosler vw engine,hope to have my first flight
next month.anyway send me your mailing address so I can send you a check,also
here is my mailing address below.
Mark Thomson
209 east main street
Pomona Park, Florida 32181
email:kr2@earthlink.net
Sincerely Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2006 8:54 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Brent,
> Sorry for the late response. I hadn't checked my
>email for a few days. Yes, the videos are still
>available. Send me your mailing address off list and
>I'll get them out to you. If anyone else is
>interested, let me know.
>Thanks,
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>--- Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus
>> <brentbidus@juno.com>
>>
>> Anybody know if these are still available? I've
>> tried to get in touch
>> with Grant with no luck.
>>
>> Brent Bidus
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Grant
>> Fluent
>> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> writes:
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
>> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Hello All,
>> > There appears to be some interest in seeing the
>> > promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's.
>> For
>> > anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out
>> for
>> > $5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my
>> time,
>> > and wear & tear on my dvd burner.
>> > If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to
>> the
>> > next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it
>> will
>> > cost over a $1 for postage and your time to
>> package it
>> > and mail it to the next person.
>> > Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy
>> the
>> > dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the
>> next
>> > person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names
>> in
>> > the order that they were received. For the 8
>> people
>> > that have already expressed interest, let me know
>> what
>> > you'd like to do.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Grant Fluent
>> > Newcastle, NE
>> > Classic IV 912S
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
>> > > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>> > >
>> > > Hello All,
>> > > About a year ago, I completed a video project
>> > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos
>> that I
>> > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs
>> were
>> > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
>> > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
>> > > responded.
>> > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I
>> legally
>> > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
>> > > there anyone on here that is interested in
>> viewing
>> > > them?
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Grant Fluent
>> > > Newcastle, NE
>> > > Classic IV 912S
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > browse
>> > > Subscriptions page,
>> > > FAQ,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>
>> Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Air start on 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>I guess everyone else already knew this or they did not believe me
>because I got virtually no response. Or maybe they just went out and
>practiced.
I guess what you guys experienced jives with my understanding of the
physics involved, so I didn't find it surprising. It does underscore
the need to practice these things periodically so you will be
prepared if the situation ever arises.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
What is this promotional video?
Andrew
do not archive
>From: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:29:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi Grant I am interested also in one of your promotional videos,I have a
>kitfox iv classic also powered with a mosler vw engine,hope to have my
>first flight next month.anyway send me your mailing address so I can send
>you a check,also here is my mailing address below.
>
>Mark Thomson
>209 east main street
>Pomona Park, Florida 32181
>
>email:kr2@earthlink.net
>
> Sincerely Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Feb 18, 2006 8:54 AM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Hi Brent,
> > Sorry for the late response. I hadn't checked my
> >email for a few days. Yes, the videos are still
> >available. Send me your mailing address off list and
> >I'll get them out to you. If anyone else is
> >interested, let me know.
> >Thanks,
> >Grant Fluent
> >Newcastle, NE
> >Classic IV 912S
> >
> >--- Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus
> >> <brentbidus@juno.com>
> >>
> >> Anybody know if these are still available? I've
> >> tried to get in touch
> >> with Grant with no luck.
> >>
> >> Brent Bidus
> >>
> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Grant
> >> Fluent
> >> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> >> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> > Hello All,
> >> > There appears to be some interest in seeing the
> >> > promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's.
> >> For
> >> > anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out
> >> for
> >> > $5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my
> >> time,
> >> > and wear & tear on my dvd burner.
> >> > If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to
> >> the
> >> > next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it
> >> will
> >> > cost over a $1 for postage and your time to
> >> package it
> >> > and mail it to the next person.
> >> > Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy
> >> the
> >> > dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the
> >> next
> >> > person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names
> >> in
> >> > the order that they were received. For the 8
> >> people
> >> > that have already expressed interest, let me know
> >> what
> >> > you'd like to do.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Grant Fluent
> >> > Newcastle, NE
> >> > Classic IV 912S
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> >> > > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello All,
> >> > > About a year ago, I completed a video project
> >> > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos
> >> that I
> >> > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs
> >> were
> >> > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> >> > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> >> > > responded.
> >> > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I
> >> legally
> >> > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> >> > > there anyone on here that is interested in
> >> viewing
> >> > > them?
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Grant Fluent
> >> > > Newcastle, NE
> >> > > Classic IV 912S
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > browse
> >> > > Subscriptions page,
> >> > > FAQ,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> browse
> >> Subscriptions page,
> >> FAQ,
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> >>
> >> Admin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
Is this the video with Jimmy Franklin doing aerobatics? if so I want one..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew
Matthaey
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
What is this promotional video?
Andrew
do not archive
>From: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:29:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi Grant I am interested also in one of your promotional videos,I have a
>kitfox iv classic also powered with a mosler vw engine,hope to have my
>first flight next month.anyway send me your mailing address so I can send
>you a check,also here is my mailing address below.
>
>Mark Thomson
>209 east main street
>Pomona Park, Florida 32181
>
>email:kr2@earthlink.net
>
> Sincerely Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Feb 18, 2006 8:54 AM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Hi Brent,
> > Sorry for the late response. I hadn't checked my
> >email for a few days. Yes, the videos are still
> >available. Send me your mailing address off list and
> >I'll get them out to you. If anyone else is
> >interested, let me know.
> >Thanks,
> >Grant Fluent
> >Newcastle, NE
> >Classic IV 912S
> >
> >--- Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus
> >> <brentbidus@juno.com>
> >>
> >> Anybody know if these are still available? I've
> >> tried to get in touch
> >> with Grant with no luck.
> >>
> >> Brent Bidus
> >>
> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Grant
> >> Fluent
> >> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> >> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> > Hello All,
> >> > There appears to be some interest in seeing the
> >> > promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's.
> >> For
> >> > anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out
> >> for
> >> > $5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my
> >> time,
> >> > and wear & tear on my dvd burner.
> >> > If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to
> >> the
> >> > next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it
> >> will
> >> > cost over a $1 for postage and your time to
> >> package it
> >> > and mail it to the next person.
> >> > Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy
> >> the
> >> > dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the
> >> next
> >> > person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names
> >> in
> >> > the order that they were received. For the 8
> >> people
> >> > that have already expressed interest, let me know
> >> what
> >> > you'd like to do.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Grant Fluent
> >> > Newcastle, NE
> >> > Classic IV 912S
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> >> > > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello All,
> >> > > About a year ago, I completed a video project
> >> > > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos
> >> that I
> >> > > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs
> >> were
> >> > > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> >> > > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> >> > > responded.
> >> > > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I
> >> legally
> >> > > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> >> > > there anyone on here that is interested in
> >> viewing
> >> > > them?
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Grant Fluent
> >> > > Newcastle, NE
> >> > > Classic IV 912S
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > browse
> >> > > Subscriptions page,
> >> > > FAQ,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> browse
> >> Subscriptions page,
> >> FAQ,
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> >>
> >> Admin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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| Subject: | Florida. WAS: First Flight Report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Rick,
On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
> I can't help but mention how much I enjoy your comments and the
> picture links you provide to all of us.
... Gee, man! You sure know how to make a grown-up man blush! :-)
> My only comment is the view out your plane of the snow and frozen
> earth gives me the chills. If you ever want to fly in the warm sun
> and over
> a warm sea come visit us in Daytona Beach, FL.
Thanks, I'd love to, I already have a couple of good friends in
Florida, Kurt (from this list) and Bob, in West Palm Beach. My son is
planning another US trip next fall, with his father in-law and me. We
still don't know where but ... Florida sounds good.
As for the cold Norway, we have so much snow at the moment that I can't
get to my Kitfox. Although the runway is cleared for snow, my little
hangar at the end of the fields is still under two feet of snow. And
even if my plane has skis ... I can't get there with my car.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 18, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Chenoweth wrote:
> Here's a description of some engine-out practice, the first ever, I
> had yesterday.
Thanks for the interesting story, Bill. And the following experiences
from Kurt and many other, regarding dead-stick and rate of sink. I did
a few dead-stick landings with my instructor, three years ago. But I
have to admit that since, I haven't dare to do it myself, alone. All of
the can-go-wrong that has been mentioned on this list, have crossed my
mind. I was hoping for a cold winter and gliding down from say, 3,000
ft to a miles long frozen lake but ... much snow has come and that
isolates the lakes from a thick ice cover.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Frappr WAS: Welcome |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Did you finally make it work? I tried once, and gave up
> because I didn't see myself there after I posted my info.
You're correct, Lynn, I couldn't get it to work from my Macintosh. I
did it, later, from the PC I use at work. Maybe you can try the same
way. If you don't have access to one, if you send me all the info and
pictures in a private email, I can try to do it for you from the PC at
work.
Cheers,
Michel
do no archive
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Isolation Module |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
OK, my mistake and apologies. I just went out and had a look and I hadn't
notice before that there were two separate units side by side. Always
thought it was just one unit.
I'm curious though Mike. I've been flying my NSI package since 2000 and
some on this list have been flying theirs much longer. This is the first
I've heard of any failures with the isolation module. Why do you say that
it's the weakest single failure point in the ignition system?
Also, can these units be dismantled for repair? They appear to be sealed
units. If I can expect to eventually have problems with mine I'd like to
know ahead of time what I'd need to be prepared for.
Thanks,
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
> Mine has two, four wires in and two out on each. How is yours set up?
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I'm a little confused here Mike. Both modules? My NSI has only one
> isolation module (coil joiner).
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan"
<michael.logan@cox.net>
> >
> > You can no longer get the original diodes that NSI put in the modules.
You
> > can replace them with mouser electronics part number NTE 517 diode. It
is
> a
> > higher voltage diode so you only need five rather than the six needed
with
> > the original set-up. They are almost $6 each and you will need at least
> 40
> > of them if you are going to rebuild both modules.
> >
> > Even rebuilt with new diodes, the module is still the weakest single
point
> > failure point in the ignition system.
> >
> > Mike Logan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Haven't crossed that bridge yet Peter. I wonder if
> > the internal diodes have the manufacturer and
> > pertinent data stamped on them? If you are still
> > operating, leave it alone, but if not, getting at the
> > insides might be useful.
> >
> > They are just big diodes, though handling high voltage
> > as they do must be a challenge for them. Still, I
> > haven't heard of any actually being the cause of
> > failure yet. I lost one P/U coil, but nothing more.
> >
> > As far as I remember, you don't fix diodes. Only a
> > wire failure into or out of them is repairable. That
> > could possible be a problem with burnthru at a contact
> > point.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
> > --- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello NSI Subaru drivers:
> > >
> > > Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of
> > > you found a source for
> > > the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture?
> > > Or do you know of a
> > > person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You
> > > do realize that if one
> > > of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in
> > > the water.
> > > Peter Graichen
> > > http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Frappr WAS: Welcome |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks, Michel...I'll take you up on that one of these days. But I'm
wondering if I'd be able to see mine or anybody else's info. I tried
today just to view the map and could not.
Lynn
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 04:46 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> Did you finally make it work? I tried once, and gave up
>> because I didn't see myself there after I posted my info.
>
> You're correct, Lynn, I couldn't get it to work from my Macintosh. I
> did it, later, from the PC I use at work. Maybe you can try the same
> way. If you don't have access to one, if you send me all the info and
> pictures in a private email, I can try to do it for you from the PC at
> work.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do no archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Thank you all for all the PDA GPS responses. Looks like I will probably go
with Anywhere Map installed on a Dell X51V . That little PDA is a real Hot
Rod with Bluetooth and WiFi technology. With WiFi it can double as a handy
computer while traveling.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I agree that you can't compare reliability of a PDA/GPS to a Garmin but
> aren't we supposed to always practice good pilotage no matter what's in
> the pannel? Also, there's one advantage to the PDA that you didn't
> mention. You can get a moving map for 1/10 the price. I have $250 total
> invested in my setup and I get the use the PDA for other functions.
> Performance is only an issue if I zoom out too far so I just keep the zoom
> level down to 10 miles or so and it's fine.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13430#13430
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI Isolation Module |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Deke,
If an ignition goes bad, you still have one left. If an isolation module
goes bad, you have no ignition on that plug if only one diode goes bad.
There has not been any failure of any of the ignitions that I know of.
I have had my IM's go bad twice. The first set cost me over $250 for NSI to
replace each module.
The modules are potted and you can get the potting material out but it is a
pain. You have to dig it out a little bit at a time.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
OK, my mistake and apologies. I just went out and had a look and I hadn't
notice before that there were two separate units side by side. Always
thought it was just one unit.
I'm curious though Mike. I've been flying my NSI package since 2000 and
some on this list have been flying theirs much longer. This is the first
I've heard of any failures with the isolation module. Why do you say that
it's the weakest single failure point in the ignition system?
Also, can these units be dismantled for repair? They appear to be sealed
units. If I can expect to eventually have problems with mine I'd like to
know ahead of time what I'd need to be prepared for.
Thanks,
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
> Mine has two, four wires in and two out on each. How is yours set up?
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I'm a little confused here Mike. Both modules? My NSI has only one
> isolation module (coil joiner).
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan"
<michael.logan@cox.net>
> >
> > You can no longer get the original diodes that NSI put in the modules.
You
> > can replace them with mouser electronics part number NTE 517 diode. It
is
> a
> > higher voltage diode so you only need five rather than the six needed
with
> > the original set-up. They are almost $6 each and you will need at least
> 40
> > of them if you are going to rebuild both modules.
> >
> > Even rebuilt with new diodes, the module is still the weakest single
point
> > failure point in the ignition system.
> >
> > Mike Logan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Isolation Module
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Haven't crossed that bridge yet Peter. I wonder if
> > the internal diodes have the manufacturer and
> > pertinent data stamped on them? If you are still
> > operating, leave it alone, but if not, getting at the
> > insides might be useful.
> >
> > They are just big diodes, though handling high voltage
> > as they do must be a challenge for them. Still, I
> > haven't heard of any actually being the cause of
> > failure yet. I lost one P/U coil, but nothing more.
> >
> > As far as I remember, you don't fix diodes. Only a
> > wire failure into or out of them is repairable. That
> > could possible be a problem with burnthru at a contact
> > point.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
> > --- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello NSI Subaru drivers:
> > >
> > > Now that NSI is no longer in business, have any of
> > > you found a source for
> > > the isolation modules that NSI used to manufacture?
> > > Or do you know of a
> > > person or firm that can and/or will repair them? You
> > > do realize that if one
> > > of these units gives up its ghost you are dead in
> > > the water.
> > > Peter Graichen
> > > http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
> >
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not want things
quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was flying Young
Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy, visibility
10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the kids that took
about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was number 3 for landing.
By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below IFR minimums.
As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was IFR. I was low
enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though the horizon was
not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am I. The option of
flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they had said the airport
was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed anyway. This is a time
when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was invaluable. Also a time when
reliability was a high prioraty.
I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and upgradibility.
But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough problems with
memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with it. In
his case the Garmin is a much better value.
Jim Shumaker
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
I agree that you can't compare reliability of a PDA/GPS to a Garmin but aren't
we supposed to always practice good pilotage no matter what's in the pannel? Also,
there's one advantage to the PDA that you didn't mention. You can get a moving
map for 1/10 the price. I have $250 total invested in my setup and I get
the use the PDA for other functions. Performance is only an issue if I zoom out
too far so I just keep the zoom level down to 10 miles or so and it's fine.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13430#13430
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:55:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net writes:
While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not want
things quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was flying
Young Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy,
visibility 10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the kids
that took about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was number
3
for landing. By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below IFR
minimums. As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was IFR.
I was low enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though the
horizon was not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am I.
The option of flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they had
said the airport was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed anyway.
This is a time when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was invaluable.
Also a time when reliability was a high prioraty.
I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and
upgradibility. But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough problems
with memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with it.
In his case the Garmin is a much better value.
I love my 2 Garmins... but my 195 had to be sent in twice because it would
keep quitting in flight. Now its fine.
I suppose nothing is perfect or 100%. I assume the newer PDA is better and
more powerfull than older one...
One thing for sure, I do not depend on it. I always have a spare GPS plus
VOR on my Kitfox, plus I like map reading.
:-[)
Dave KF 2 plus warrior 2
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| Subject: | Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I am nearing the point of covering my wings and I have a few questions. My
manual says to trim the fabric a few inches out onto the wingtip for
non-removable tips. My Avid Flyer has the entire wingtip covered in fabric,
but this suggests the fabric will end just beyond where the tip screws on.
I want the covered tips to use the polytone to the end.
Also my manual shows the strut bracket reinforcement plates for the
fabric. I assume these go under the fabric, but find no mention of
installing them. Do they rivet to the spar over the strut attachments?
Boy do I feel brain drained.... Ron NB Ore
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