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1. 03:51 AM - Re: PDA Gps (Bradley M Webb)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:27 AM - thrust line on kitfoxIV (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Geir_Olav_=D8ien?=)
4. 06:07 AM - SV: PDA Gps (Michel Verheughe)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Algate)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: PDA Gps (wingnut)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Algate)
8. 07:07 AM - SV: Re: PDA Gps (Michel Verheughe)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (RAY Gignac)
10. 07:50 AM - Re: PDA Gps (wingnut)
11. 07:55 AM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Michael Gibbs)
12. 09:09 AM - Snow?? (EMAproducts@aol.com)
13. 09:21 AM - Engine Out 02/20/06 (EMAproducts@AOL.COM)
14. 09:32 AM - Re: PDA Gps (Bradley M Webb)
15. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Bradley M Webb)
16. 10:36 AM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Matt Teixeira)
17. 11:07 AM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Vic Baker)
18. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Algate)
19. 12:14 PM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Alan & Linda Daniels)
20. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Michel Verheughe)
21. 12:57 PM - Model 5 fuel shutoff valve (Trey and Connie Moran)
22. 01:01 PM - [off-topic]: Snow?? (Michel Verheughe)
23. 01:21 PM - Lynn's Kitfox (Jose M. Toro)
24. 02:42 PM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (ron schick)
25. 03:19 PM - Re: Model 5 fuel shutoff valve (wingsdown)
26. 03:25 PM - Re: Engine Out 02/20/06 (wingsdown)
27. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Lowell Fitt)
28. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (Bradley M Webb)
29. 03:54 PM - heating epoxy for removal-flaming (ron schick)
30. 04:15 PM - Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming (RAY Gignac)
31. 04:54 PM - Re: Model 5 fuel shutoff valve (Alexis Meaders)
32. 05:16 PM - Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming (ron schick)
33. 05:21 PM - Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming (Dan Billingsley)
34. 05:29 PM - Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming (RAY Gignac)
35. 05:51 PM - Small alternator (Clint Bazzill)
36. 06:04 PM - Re: thrust line on kitfoxIV (Brett Walmsley)
37. 06:05 PM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Lynn Matteson)
38. 06:35 PM - Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates (Lynn Matteson)
39. 06:45 PM - Re: Small alternator (wingsdown)
40. 07:15 PM - Re: Engine Out 02/20/06 (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
41. 07:31 PM - Re: Lynn's Kitfox (Lynn Matteson)
42. 07:32 PM - Re: Model IV Wing Extensions (Business Address)
43. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (mscotter)
44. 08:10 PM - Re: PDA Gps (wingnut)
45. 08:54 PM - Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming (AMuller589@aol.com)
46. 09:41 PM - Re: Small alternator (Grant Fluent)
47. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: PDA Gps (James Shumaker)
48. 11:21 PM - Re: Re: Subject lines (kurt schrader)
49. 11:56 PM - Re: Air start on 912ULS (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Garmin 295? Not at the price of gold! I just purchased an Apollo Precedus
kit, with everything including a very nice Yoke mount (where's that yoke in
my K'fox? Must'a misread the plans!) Any way, I paid $75 for it, and the
d-base update is $100. Look around, you can get by for much less than a
$1000 Garmin.
Face it, we ain't flying a Boeing. I don't see any real need for the big
guns in this plane.
...Unless you fly other airplanes as well (why would you fly anything else?
Once you go 'fox, you'll never go back).
Bradley
KF2 N1836
Middle GA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Shumaker
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Eric
I have been flying with the Ipaq and Anywhere map for several years.
It requires hard-wires for power and gps and interfacing.
It is a computer so it will crash on you.
It requires upgrading and maintenance and it has several modes of failure.
The Garmin 295 is similar and much less likely to fail.
The latest Ipaq PDA and a gig of memory is the MINIMUM for effective use.
Since reliability is so requisite for aviation use, a dedicated unit like
a 295 is much more sensible.
If you cannot be talked out of getting one then here are the advantages.
It can be hardwired into the panel on a mount, and then easily removed for
upgrades or other uses.
As a computer the software can be easily upgraded and it can serve more
than one purpose. New upgrades are downloaded. You can carry charts and
taxiway position is indicated while taxiing. Instrument approaches and
holds are stored and very usable for those hazy days. You do not need to
replace the whole unit when things like weather are a useful upgrade.
Even though the software is upgraded by subscription and makes it more
versatile, the Ipaq still needs to be replaced when the software slows the
operation. I have an Ipaq 3800 which is just 4 years old and it needs t be
replaced because it is getting to be too slow.
To summarize; the Ipaq with Anywhere Map is an incredible system that
beats all the competition hands down. But the system uses a PDA which is
just a personal computer with all the quirks, foibles and shortcomings of
being a general purpose computer. If you want a reliable, useful GPS get a
dedicated unit.
The guy that talked me into getting mine is a Citation Chauffeur. He has
a glass cockpit with two moving maps, and a backup on the panel. He and the
copilot each have their own Ipaqs on Anywhere Map. Then he has two tablet
that are dedicated to weight and balance and flight planning. So yes the
Anywhere map has features that are not on other software.
Hope this helps
Jim Shumaker
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Are you fixing your wingtips to the wings with rivets, or screws so
that they can be removed at some time? I let my fabric stop at the last
rib and screwed (with anchor nuts riveted to an added-on aluminum
strip) the wingtips on. If you're going to cover the tips, never to be
removed, then of course let the fabric go all the way to several inches
past the wingtip.
The reinforcement plates are merely glued to the under side...inside of
wing...of the lower fabric with poly-tak. One of my manuals (one is
original 1993 Model IV manual, the other is the Classic IV manual of
2003 revision) says to pre-coat the plates with poly-brush (two coats)
and the other manual doesn't mention the pre-coating (or at least I
couldn't find it quickly), then attach with poly-tak. You have to coat
one side of the plate with wet poly-tak and quickly slide it in place
over the strut bracket, and position quickly and then hold in place,
pressing the fabric onto the plate...it's a messy job. MAKE SURE that
you get these plates in/on before you start the top fabric...nearly
impossible afterwards...no, forget nearly, it IS impossible.
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 12:53 AM, ron schick wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I am nearing the point of covering my wings and I have a few
> questions. My
> manual says to trim the fabric a few inches out onto the wingtip for
> non-removable tips. My Avid Flyer has the entire wingtip covered in
> fabric,
> but this suggests the fabric will end just beyond where the tip screws
> on.
> I want the covered tips to use the polytone to the end.
> Also my manual shows the strut bracket reinforcement plates for the
> fabric. I assume these go under the fabric, but find no mention of
> installing them. Do they rivet to the spar over the strut attachments?
> Boy do I feel brain drained.... Ron NB Ore
>
>
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| Subject: | thrust line on kitfoxIV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Geir_Olav_=D8ien?= <geir_olav@c2i.net>
I have to build a engine mount for a Kitfox IV, what is the thrust line on a rotax
912, (it is about 15,5" from the bottom mount) but how many deg, side thrust
and down thrust does the original engine mount have. Anyone that have the numbers?
Thanks
Geir
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Face it, we ain't flying a Boeing.
Hey! Don't spoil my dream, Brad! When I fly my Kitfox I even feel like Tom "Maverick"
Cruise in his Tomcat! ... :-)
Seriously, a PDA should be good enough. I have mine on a smart bracket on the panel.
If sunlight is a problem, I simply pull it out, hold it in my hand, wherever
I find some shade, read it, then put it back. As simple as that!
Here is a photo of it:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Eikern.jpg
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have the Garmin 196 and recall taking off from a lake early one morning
when there was quite a lot of fog around but it appeared to be thin and when
you looked straight up you could see faint blue sky. I made the decision to
take off as I knew the area well and figured I wouldn't have any problems.
Although the fog was relatively light looking straight up when I took off I
my vision was parallel with the fog rather than perpendicular and I lost all
visibility.
In panel mode the Garmin 196 has replication of critical instruments so I
was able to switch to the panel mode and I just concentrated on the turn and
bank to keep my wings level and flew for about a minute like that until I
broke out into sunny skies.
Doesn't sound like much but at the time it seemed an eternity and I was
pretty thankful for the Garmin 196.
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:55:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net writes:
While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not want
things quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was
flying
Young Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy,
visibility 10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the kids
that took about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was
number 3
for landing. By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below IFR
minimums. As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was
IFR.
I was low enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though the
horizon was not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am I.
The option of flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they
had
said the airport was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed
anyway.
This is a time when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was
invaluable.
Also a time when reliability was a high prioraty.
I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and
upgradibility. But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough
problems
with memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with it.
In his case the Garmin is a much better value.
I love my 2 Garmins... but my 195 had to be sent in twice because it would
keep quitting in flight. Now its fine.
I suppose nothing is perfect or 100%. I assume the newer PDA is better and
more powerfull than older one...
One thing for sure, I do not depend on it. I always have a spare GPS plus
VOR on my Kitfox, plus I like map reading.
:-[)
Dave KF 2 plus warrior 2
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Wow.. You took off with zero visibility? I guess if I where going to bet my life
on it, I'd go for the best hardware I can buy as well. :-)
-Luis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13757#13757
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Maybe you misunderstood - not Zero visibility but a misconception that was
caused by looking straight up with a bright sky to backlight the fog vs
flying forward into marginal light conditions.
In about 700 hrs of flying my Kitfox on skis, floats and wheels in Northern
Canada I figure I am allowed 1 marginal judgement call - my point being that
the Garmin does offer additional advantages over PDA's but at a cost.
I'm sure you will never put yourself in the same situation as I did
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Wow.. You took off with zero visibility? I guess if I where going to bet my
life on it, I'd go for the best hardware I can buy as well. :-)
-Luis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13757#13757
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
> Wow.. You took off with zero visibility? I guess if I where going to bet my life
on it,
> I'd go for the best hardware I can buy as well. :-)
Those situations often happen without warning, Luis. Although I can only fly VFR
with my Kitfox, I installed a TruTrak Pictorial Turn and Bank coordinator.
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsinstruments.html
Solid state, quick response, cheap. I am very pleased with it. Of course, it's
worth nothing without training. I have an accurate replica of my Kitfox in the
X-Plane flight simulator and ... I train a lot. I will also train with a pilot
passenger and a hood.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Hi Lynn,
Just seen your Fox on frappr, nice plane, looks like you're a race fan!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
Are you fixing your wingtips to the wings with rivets, or screws so
that they can be removed at some time? I let my fabric stop at the last
rib and screwed (with anchor nuts riveted to an added-on aluminum
strip) the wingtips on. If you're going to cover the tips, never to be
removed, then of course let the fabric go all the way to several inches
past the wingtip.
The reinforcement plates are merely glued to the under side...inside of
wing...of the lower fabric with poly-tak. One of my manuals (one is
original 1993 Model IV manual, the other is the Classic IV manual of
2003 revision) says to pre-coat the plates with poly-brush (two coats)
and the other manual doesn't mention the pre-coating (or at least I
couldn't find it quickly), then attach with poly-tak. You have to coat
one side of the plate with wet poly-tak and quickly slide it in place
over the strut bracket, and position quickly and then hold in place,
pressing the fabric onto the plate...it's a messy job. MAKE SURE that
you get these plates in/on before you start the top fabric...nearly
impossible afterwards...no, forget nearly, it IS impossible.
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 12:53 AM, ron schick wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>>
>
> I am nearing the point of covering my wings and I have a few
> questions. My
> manual says to trim the fabric a few inches out onto the wingtip for
> non-removable tips. My Avid Flyer has the entire wingtip covered in
> fabric,
> but this suggests the fabric will end just beyond where the tip screws
> on.
> I want the covered tips to use the polytone to the end.
> Also my manual shows the strut bracket reinforcement plates for the
> fabric. I assume these go under the fabric, but find no mention of
> installing them. Do they rivet to the spar over the strut attachments?
> Boy do I feel brain drained.... Ron NB Ore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I didn't mean to criticize. I think I'm still a little confused about your particular
scenario but I guess your point is that, no matter how careful you are,
sooner or later every pilot is going to experience IMC. But, if we're talking
about the relative reliability between a Garmin x96 vrs a PDA/GPS then, what
are the odds though that the PDA is going to pick that particular moment to fail
on you?
I suppose that, in that moment of truth, every pilot will wish he had a G1000 in
his kitfox. I guess it all boils down to taking a serious look at the cost vrs
the benefit. The right decision will depend on your particular situation.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13788#13788
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Ron,
I built my IV-1200 so that the wingtips could be removed. This made
it very easy to cover because the fabric just goes over the end of
the last rib and the tip screws on over that. Yes, the fiberglass
had to be painted separately, but at condition inspection time it
sure is nice to be able to remove a few screws and see the entire
inside of the wing.
Just a thought.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:07:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
kitfox-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Although the runway is cleared for snow, my little
hangar at the end of the fields is still under two feet of snow. And
even if my plane has skis ... I can't get there with my car.
Cheers,
Michel
Michel,
I thought that was what snowmobiles were for :-)
Elbie
EM Aviation
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| Subject: | Engine Out 02/20/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Fellow Pilots, If a feathered propeller, non-rotating did not improve
performance of an aircraft over the prop windmilling, Why are feathering props
on
all modern aircraft?? Why do they put them on Motogliders. The major
companies, Beech, Piper etc, don't spend thousands of $$ without a reason! Any
multi-engine instructor will positively state this fact.
You can improve the glide somewhat with a stopped prop if you can get it to
stop vertically, cuts down on the disturbed airflow over the wing. Several
companies are now making full feathering electric props for Rotax and other
engines if this is a concern for you, or you like to "soar"!
Elbie
EM aviation, LLC
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Roger that! Me? I dream I'm that guy in Fandango! with the grafitti'd 172
and the bird nests in the back. I gotta stop drinking so early! LOL
I was mostly referring to the cost. They are very nice units!
Mine is velcro'd to the panel. I'm going to add a small wedge to angle it
more toward me, to reduce the glare a bit.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Face it, we ain't flying a Boeing.
Hey! Don't spoil my dream, Brad! When I fly my Kitfox I even feel like Tom
"Maverick" Cruise in his Tomcat! ... :-)
Seriously, a PDA should be good enough. I have mine on a smart bracket on
the panel. If sunlight is a problem, I simply pull it out, hold it in my
hand, wherever I find some shade, read it, then put it back. As simple as
that!
Here is a photo of it:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Eikern.jpg
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Word of warning. If you think that panel page on the Garmin units allow you
to fly IFR, you're nuts. If that's all you got, ok. In an emergency, you do
what you gotta. A drowning man will even grab for a glass of water! But DO
NOT lead people to believe that they can put one of these on their panel and
fly into the muck.
You made a bad choice to take off into that, and you should have known the
consequences of doing so. Having that Garmin is not a replacement for common
sense. CFIT is the number two killer in GA, fuel is number one. Too many fly
way over their heads, and many have paid for it.
I appreciate your input, but shame on you.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have the Garmin 196 and recall taking off from a lake early one morning
when there was quite a lot of fog around but it appeared to be thin and when
you looked straight up you could see faint blue sky. I made the decision to
take off as I knew the area well and figured I wouldn't have any problems.
Although the fog was relatively light looking straight up when I took off I
my vision was parallel with the fog rather than perpendicular and I lost all
visibility.
In panel mode the Garmin 196 has replication of critical instruments so I
was able to switch to the panel mode and I just concentrated on the turn and
bank to keep my wings level and flew for about a minute like that until I
broke out into sunny skies.
Doesn't sound like much but at the time it seemed an eternity and I was
pretty thankful for the Garmin 196.
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:55:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net writes:
While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not want
things quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was
flying
Young Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy,
visibility 10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the kids
that took about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was
number 3
for landing. By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below IFR
minimums. As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was
IFR.
I was low enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though the
horizon was not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am I.
The option of flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they
had
said the airport was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed
anyway.
This is a time when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was
invaluable.
Also a time when reliability was a high prioraty.
I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and
upgradibility. But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough
problems
with memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with it.
In his case the Garmin is a much better value.
I love my 2 Garmins... but my 195 had to be sent in twice because it would
keep quitting in flight. Now its fine.
I suppose nothing is perfect or 100%. I assume the newer PDA is better and
more powerfull than older one...
One thing for sure, I do not depend on it. I always have a spare GPS plus
VOR on my Kitfox, plus I like map reading.
:-[)
Dave KF 2 plus warrior 2
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| Subject: | Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
Lynn
I have one wing with the added-on aluminum strip installed (previous
owner), but the wing is not covered. Can I cover this added-on strip
with fabric? Will the fabric have enough hold if it doesn't wrap around
the end rib cap strip?
Thank you,
Matt
IV-1200
Fresno, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
....I let my fabric stop at the last rib and screwed (with anchor nuts
riveted to an added-on aluminum strip) the wingtips on.
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Matt,
I wrapped the fabric around the wing tip supports. Take care if you drill and
mount the wing tip attachment hardware before covering with fabric, the mounting
holes will not line up due to the slight increase in thickness. I have not
yet drilled/mounted the wing tips, (will do so after paint) hopefully I am
not in for an unpleasant surprise!
--------
Vic Baker
Series 7
Carson City, Nevada
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13851#13851
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sometimes I think people either don't read these postings or are just
downright rude.
Please take the time to re-read my post and note that it was a comment on my
experience and in no way suggested that others should enter IFR flight
without being appropriately equipped. I have spoken to many pilots over the
years with vast experience and the funny thing is that each one has had an
interesting experience to share where they have made "not so prudent"
choices and have learned from their experience. Had they not been so
forthcoming I'm sure a lot of this experience would continue to be wasted
and the same mistakes repeated.
Conditions change fast in Northern Canada and what starts out to be marginal
or even perfect conditions can change quickly. We often encounter snow
squalls which can rapidly reduce visibility on the clearest day but we gain
experience and learn to fly safely within our capabilities. In this
instance the Garmin proved to be a valuable asset that maybe another pilot
may not consider under similar conditions. This posting may well come to
mind at such a time and allow him or her another option.
Maybe some other pilot may look out on a mildly foggy day and rather than
take off think - " I remember someone saying that even though it appears
fine looking vertically when I fly into it on a parallel course my
visibility will be reduced". That same pilot might decide to wait an hour
and avert the conditions I flew into.
This list often offers an incredible source of information and I usually
monitor in the background in this instance I'm sorry Mr Web I don't believe
that I really need to feel any shame about my comments. I also don't
normally respond to this sort of negative stimulus - I guess I must be
having a bad day.
GaryA
Quote
You made a bad choice to take off into that, and you should have known the
consequences of doing so. Having that Garmin is not a replacement for common
sense. CFIT is the number two killer in GA, fuel is number one. Too many fly
way over their heads, and many have paid for it.
I appreciate your input, but shame on you.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have the Garmin 196 and recall taking off from a lake early one morning
when there was quite a lot of fog around but it appeared to be thin and when
you looked straight up you could see faint blue sky. I made the decision to
take off as I knew the area well and figured I wouldn't have any problems.
Although the fog was relatively light looking straight up when I took off I
my vision was parallel with the fog rather than perpendicular and I lost all
visibility.
In panel mode the Garmin 196 has replication of critical instruments so I
was able to switch to the panel mode and I just concentrated on the turn and
bank to keep my wings level and flew for about a minute like that until I
broke out into sunny skies.
Doesn't sound like much but at the time it seemed an eternity and I was
pretty thankful for the Garmin 196.
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:55:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net writes:
While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not want
things quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was
flying
Young Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy,
visibility 10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the kids
that took about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was
number 3
for landing. By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below IFR
minimums. As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was
IFR.
I was low enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though the
horizon was not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am I.
The option of flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they
had
said the airport was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed
anyway.
This is a time when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was
invaluable.
Also a time when reliability was a high prioraty.
I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and
upgradibility. But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough
problems
with memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with it.
In his case the Garmin is a much better value.
I love my 2 Garmins... but my 195 had to be sent in twice because it would
keep quitting in flight. Now its fine.
I suppose nothing is perfect or 100%. I assume the newer PDA is better and
more powerfull than older one...
One thing for sure, I do not depend on it. I always have a spare GPS plus
VOR on my Kitfox, plus I like map reading.
:-[)
Dave KF 2 plus warrior 2
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I found the best way to put them on is to tape them to the lift strut
attach bracket then cover the bottom of the wing. Shrink the fabric to
about 275 or just tight. Brush polybrush around were you need to cut for
jury strut and lift attach bracket. When dry cut with a razor blade and
the protrusion will pop through in just the right place. Turn the wing
over and glue down the aluminum reinforcement plates to the fabric.
ron schick wrote:
> Also my manual shows the strut bracket reinforcement plates for the
>fabric. I assume these go under the fabric, but find no mention of
>installing them. Do they rivet to the spar over the strut attachments?
>Boy do I feel brain drained.... Ron NB Ore
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 21, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Algate wrote:
> Sometimes I think people either don't read these postings or are just
> downright rude.
I don't think anybody meant to be rude, Gary. I have also, in the past,
experienced the same as you do now and you are right on one point: we
don't use the time to read carefully and many jump on the occasion to
say: Be careful! And that's a good thing even if, at time, it sounds
patronising and unpleasant.
But I read your experience very carefully and I found it very
interesting because I can relate to it. Fog can be tricky, and your
story will help me to be careful if I even encounter the same weather
conditions.
As for the use of the GPS as ultimate help when no gyro instrument is
available, here is my story:
As I left Germany for The Netherlands, I had to wait for a front with
rain, to pass. Being a novice, I listened to the German pilots advice
and when they said: Now it clears up westward, I went.
But soon after the Dutch border, the ceiling started to go down and
down and near Groningen, I was down to 500 ft, drizzle on my
windshield, the only visual reference I had was a little cone under me,
from the side window. I called ATC, explained my situation and they
told me to keep on course because the weather was already clearing at
my destination, about 30 minutes away.
However, I prepared myself for the moment I would be totally without
visual reference. I then sat my PDA with moving map in "Head Up"
display (as a sailor, I always use "North Up") and looked at the red
line of my flight plan, thinking: If panic comes, the main task is:
keep the red line up at all price! If I was to meet the ground or an
obstacle, it was better to do it on level wings than in a spin.
Luckily, the weather didn't get worse and soon I could climb again to
1,000 and 1,500 ft. But this experience is what made me decide to buy
the TruTrak turn coordinator. Not that I will EVER consider flying IFR.
But when the weather surprises you, an extra instrument can make the
difference between panic and control. I know, instruments can also
create a false sense of control and make you take decisions that you
wouldn't if you didn't had it.
In any case, reading the experiences from my friends on this list is,
I believe, the best way for me to practice aviation the safest way.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Model 5 fuel shutoff valve |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey and Connie Moran" <ffmoran@centurytel.net>
Anyone on the list have an extra model 5 fuel shutoff valve? I'm at that point
in my project and can't find the one that came with the kit. Now that Skystar
is out of business, I am having a hard time finding the exact shutoff valve
supplied with the kit. Trey Moran
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| Subject: | [off-topic]: Snow?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 21, 2006, at 6:06 PM, EMAproducts@aol.com wrote:
> I thought that was what snowmobiles were for :-)
What? A snowmobile with a Rotax engine? Do you think I would spend my
money on junk? ... Ouch! Don't swing the leadpipe, that hurts, guys! I
was kidding! I love Rotax! :-)
Cheers,
Michel (who flies now behind a Jabiru)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hey Lynn:
I just saw your Kitfox picture, and realized that it
is Jabiru powered. Is it that a Model III?
Regards!
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Lynn I was planning on covering the wingtips. It does have the riv-nuts
installed now so maybe I will go back to the idea of removable tips. The
prior owner had covered them and my mindset was stuck on that road. If I
must trim and redrill anyway I wont be concerned about his poor fit and
attachment. Alan and everyone great info on the reinforcements, I made them
on my lunch hour and will tape in place before they get forgotten. Thanks
to everyone for the push as now I will be removable and possibly extendable.
Ron NB Oregon MK IV Speedster
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates
>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:49:00 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>Are you fixing your wingtips to the wings with rivets, or screws so
>that they can be removed at some time? I let my fabric stop at the last
>rib and screwed (with anchor nuts riveted to an added-on aluminum
>strip) the wingtips on. If you're going to cover the tips, never to be
>removed, then of course let the fabric go all the way to several inches
>past the wingtip.
>
>The reinforcement plates are merely glued to the under side...inside of
>wing...of the lower fabric with poly-tak. One of my manuals (one is
>original 1993 Model IV manual, the other is the Classic IV manual of
>2003 revision) says to pre-coat the plates with poly-brush (two coats)
>and the other manual doesn't mention the pre-coating (or at least I
>couldn't find it quickly), then attach with poly-tak. You have to coat
>one side of the plate with wet poly-tak and quickly slide it in place
>over the strut bracket, and position quickly and then hold in place,
>pressing the fabric onto the plate...it's a messy job. MAKE SURE that
>you get these plates in/on before you start the top fabric...nearly
>impossible afterwards...no, forget nearly, it IS impossible.
>
>Lynn
>On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 12:53 AM, ron schick wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> > <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I am nearing the point of covering my wings and I have a few
> > questions. My
> > manual says to trim the fabric a few inches out onto the wingtip for
> > non-removable tips. My Avid Flyer has the entire wingtip covered in
> > fabric,
> > but this suggests the fabric will end just beyond where the tip screws
> > on.
> > I want the covered tips to use the polytone to the end.
> > Also my manual shows the strut bracket reinforcement plates for the
> > fabric. I assume these go under the fabric, but find no mention of
> > installing them. Do they rivet to the spar over the strut attachments?
> > Boy do I feel brain drained.... Ron NB Ore
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Model 5 fuel shutoff valve |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
You don't really want that valve. It was one of the first things I
replaced. It is more at home on a fuel oil tank going to a tree heater.
Contact me off list as I have a very nice Adiar for sale.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trey and
Connie Moran
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 5 fuel shutoff valve
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey and Connie Moran"
--> <ffmoran@centurytel.net>
Anyone on the list have an extra model 5 fuel shutoff valve? I'm at
that point in my project and can't find the one that came with the kit.
Now that Skystar is out of business, I am having a hard time finding the
exact shutoff valve supplied with the kit. Trey Moran
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| Subject: | Engine Out 02/20/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Yep, if you don't stop it, its going to act as a brake. A significant
brake not just an air flow problem. Personal experience. Now a full
feather electric is good if you can get it there quick enough. Trouble
is motor gliders don't go full feather until they have plenty of
altitude. On the other hand we may need all the glide we can get and
need it right now at low altitude.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EMAproducts@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Out 02/20/06
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Fellow Pilots, If a feathered propeller, non-rotating did not improve
performance of an aircraft over the prop windmilling, Why are feathering
props on
all modern aircraft?? Why do they put them on Motogliders. The major
companies, Beech, Piper etc, don't spend thousands of $$ without a
reason! Any
multi-engine instructor will positively state this fact.
You can improve the glide somewhat with a stopped prop if you can get
it to
stop vertically, cuts down on the disturbed airflow over the wing.
Several
companies are now making full feathering electric props for Rotax and
other
engines if this is a concern for you, or you like to "soar"! Elbie EM
aviation, LLC
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hey Brad,
I have made bad judgements a time or two and responded to Gary privately
thanking him for his frank comments and expressing my reluctance to tell of
my experiences, for exactly the reasons demonstrated by your post.
I monitor (lurk) on another list and am reluctant to participate because my
"flame proof suit" seems to be always out of service. For what it's worth,
the best way to kill the list is to "shame on you" anytime anyone reports
something you have problems with.
"You made a bad choice" in some of the words you used to post a word of
warning to readers of the list. I appreciate your warning, but "Shame on
You".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
> Word of warning. If you think that panel page on the Garmin units allow
> you
> to fly IFR, you're nuts. If that's all you got, ok. In an emergency, you
> do
> what you gotta. A drowning man will even grab for a glass of water! But DO
> NOT lead people to believe that they can put one of these on their panel
> and
> fly into the muck.
>
> You made a bad choice to take off into that, and you should have known the
> consequences of doing so. Having that Garmin is not a replacement for
> common
> sense. CFIT is the number two killer in GA, fuel is number one. Too many
> fly
> way over their heads, and many have paid for it.
>
> I appreciate your input, but shame on you.
> Bradley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:26 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I have the Garmin 196 and recall taking off from a lake early one morning
> when there was quite a lot of fog around but it appeared to be thin and
> when
> you looked straight up you could see faint blue sky. I made the decision
> to
> take off as I knew the area well and figured I wouldn't have any problems.
>
> Although the fog was relatively light looking straight up when I took off
> I
> my vision was parallel with the fog rather than perpendicular and I lost
> all
> visibility.
>
> In panel mode the Garmin 196 has replication of critical instruments so I
> was able to switch to the panel mode and I just concentrated on the turn
> and
> bank to keep my wings level and flew for about a minute like that until I
> broke out into sunny skies.
>
> Doesn't sound like much but at the time it seemed an eternity and I was
> pretty thankful for the Garmin 196.
>
> GaryA
> Lite2/582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Aerobatics@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:03 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2006 10:55:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> While I don't disagree with good pilotage as being requisite, I do not
> want
>
> things quitting on me when they are needed. As a case in point, I was
> flying
> Young Eagles for our EAA chapter about a year ago. The weather was hazy,
> visibility 10 no overcast. I was flying an extended pattern with the
> kids
> that took about 17 minutes from take-off to landing. On downwind I was
> number 3
> for landing. By the time I could turn for final, the airport was below
> IFR
>
> minimums. As soon as I landed, the tower announced that the airport was
> IFR.
> I was low enough to scud run low enough to see the ground, even though
> the
>
> horizon was not descernable. My kitfox is not IFR rated and neither am
> I.
>
> The option of flying to another airport was a very poor choice. If they
> had
> said the airport was IFR I would have declared an emergency and landed
> anyway.
> This is a time when the Gyro, and Vor were nice but the GPS was
> invaluable.
> Also a time when reliability was a high prioraty.
>
> I like flying with the Ipaq with anywhere map for all the options and
> upgradibility. But a friend of mine bought the same setup and had enough
> problems
> with memory cards and upgrades that he does not even bother to fly with
> it.
>
> In his case the Garmin is a much better value.
>
>
> I love my 2 Garmins... but my 195 had to be sent in twice because it would
> keep quitting in flight. Now its fine.
>
> I suppose nothing is perfect or 100%. I assume the newer PDA is better
> and
>
> more powerfull than older one...
> One thing for sure, I do not depend on it. I always have a spare GPS plus
> VOR on my Kitfox, plus I like map reading.
>
> :-[)
>
> Dave KF 2 plus warrior 2
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Didn't mean to be rude, but read your post again. To the uninitiated, it
sounds as though you knew the conditions were marginal, and because of your
having such a useful instrument, you chose to make the flight, maybe
assuming that IF things went wrong, your fantastic quasi-wanna-be IFR panel
would be put to good use.
I am not questioning your experience in any way. I am not even questioning
your decision to make the flight. But on a public forum, many people read
these messages. Including young adults who yet dream of doing what you and I
do everyday.
You know the consequences of your flight. But they may not. Wingnut himself
alluded to the fact that he should get the best for just such an occasion.
I'm glad it worked for you. But I don't want someone with far less
experience reading this forum and deciding to do something stupid, just
because you (or I, or anyone) did it and lived to tell about it.
As an instructor, one of the hardest things for me to teach a student is
good judgement. About the only way I know how is by example.
Bradley
--Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 21, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Algate wrote:
> Sometimes I think people either don't read these postings or are just
> downright rude.
I don't think anybody meant to be rude, Gary. I have also, in the past,
experienced the same as you do now and you are right on one point: we
don't use the time to read carefully and many jump on the occasion to
say: Be careful! And that's a good thing even if, at time, it sounds
patronising and unpleasant.
But I read your experience very carefully and I found it very
interesting because I can relate to it. Fog can be tricky, and your
story will help me to be careful if I even encounter the same weather
conditions.
As for the use of the GPS as ultimate help when no gyro instrument is
available, here is my story:
As I left Germany for The Netherlands, I had to wait for a front with
rain, to pass. Being a novice, I listened to the German pilots advice
and when they said: Now it clears up westward, I went.
But soon after the Dutch border, the ceiling started to go down and
down and near Groningen, I was down to 500 ft, drizzle on my
windshield, the only visual reference I had was a little cone under me,
from the side window. I called ATC, explained my situation and they
told me to keep on course because the weather was already clearing at
my destination, about 30 minutes away.
However, I prepared myself for the moment I would be totally without
visual reference. I then sat my PDA with moving map in "Head Up"
display (as a sailor, I always use "North Up") and looked at the red
line of my flight plan, thinking: If panic comes, the main task is:
keep the red line up at all price! If I was to meet the ground or an
obstacle, it was better to do it on level wings than in a spin.
Luckily, the weather didn't get worse and soon I could climb again to
1,000 and 1,500 ft. But this experience is what made me decide to buy
the TruTrak turn coordinator. Not that I will EVER consider flying IFR.
But when the weather surprises you, an extra instrument can make the
difference between panic and control. I know, instruments can also
create a false sense of control and make you take decisions that you
wouldn't if you didn't had it.
In any case, reading the experiences from my friends on this list is,
I believe, the best way for me to practice aviation the safest way.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Gary I seem to recall you took some heat for reccomending a heat gun to
soften the epoxy on your wings. Thanks for the tip it worked for me. Ron
NB Ore
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| Subject: | Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I am interested in the heat method, I will need to remove the old bolt on my 2
leaf tail spring, and install the new one! The old bolt is epoxied in place what
would be a good method of removal?
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: ron schick<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>>
Gary I seem to recall you took some heat for reccomending a heat gun to
soften the epoxy on your wings. Thanks for the tip it worked for me. Ron
NB Ore
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| Subject: | Model 5 fuel shutoff valve |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alexis Meaders" <ameaders@midsouth.rr.com>
If you do want the original, I also have the Andair so, I have the original
that I could send you.
Alexis Meaders
Millington, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trey and Connie
Moran
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 5 fuel shutoff valve
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey and Connie Moran"
<ffmoran@centurytel.net>
Anyone on the list have an extra model 5 fuel shutoff valve? I'm at that
point in my project and can't find the one that came with the kit. Now that
Skystar is out of business, I am having a hard time finding the exact
shutoff valve supplied with the kit. Trey Moran
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| Subject: | Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Ray I don't reccomend a flamethrower, but someting near 200 degrees gets
real soft. In fact I would worry about my wings in an Arizona sun. Can
you get your fabric out of the way?
Ron NB Ore do not archive
>From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:14:04 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
>I am interested in the heat method, I will need to remove the old bolt on
>my 2 leaf tail spring, and install the new one! The old bolt is epoxied in
>place what would be a good method of removal?
>
>Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ron schick<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:53 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
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> Gary I seem to recall you took some heat for reccomending a heat gun to
> soften the epoxy on your wings. Thanks for the tip it worked for me.
>Ron
> NB Ore
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| Subject: | Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
A $15 heat gun I bought at Harbor Freight has been just the ticket to soften the
epoxy on my side ribs and get them off. I just finished having a wide body mod
done on my IV and had to take the ribs off to fit longer ones.
Dan, Mesa
www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
RAY Gignac <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
I am interested in the heat method, I will need to remove the old bolt on my 2
leaf tail spring, and install the new one! The old bolt is epoxied in place what
would be a good method of removal?
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: ron schick
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" >
Gary I seem to recall you took some heat for reccomending a heat gun to
soften the epoxy on your wings. Thanks for the tip it worked for me. Ron
NB Ore
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| Subject: | Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Don't think I can move the fabric out of the way. But I will look at the area.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: ron schick<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>>
Ray I don't reccomend a flamethrower, but someting near 200 degrees gets
real soft. In fact I would worry about my wings in an Arizona sun. Can
you get your fabric out of the way?
Ron NB Ore do not archive
>From: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:14:04 -0500
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>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
>
>I am interested in the heat method, I will need to remove the old bolt on
>my 2 leaf tail spring, and install the new one! The old bolt is epoxied in
>place what would be a good method of removal?
>
>Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ron schick<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:53 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: heating epoxy for removal-flaming
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><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com<mailto:roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>>>
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> Gary I seem to recall you took some heat for reccomending a heat gun to
> soften the epoxy on your wings. Thanks for the tip it worked for me.
>Ron
> NB Ore
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| Subject: | Small alternator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know of a small alternator, puts out 20 so amps. Everything I
find is a little too big to fit in the Model IV. Clint
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| Subject: | Re: thrust line on kitfoxIV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
I just hung my 912 for the first time. From what I can tell. It is 0 down
and 0 left / right.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geir Olav ien" <geir_olav@c2i.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: thrust line on kitfoxIV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Geir_Olav_=D8ien?=
> <geir_olav@c2i.net>
>
> I have to build a engine mount for a Kitfox IV, what is the thrust line on
> a rotax 912, (it is about 15,5" from the bottom mount) but how many deg,
> side thrust and down thrust does the original engine mount have. Anyone
> that have the numbers?
>
> Thanks
> Geir
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
What tipped you off to the "race fan" thing, Ray? Was it the orange
(Tony Stewart colors)....the bare amount of white (typical of
unsponsored race cars)....the black (perhaps Kevin Harvicks'
colors)...wait a minute, NO, don't tell me it was the graphic on the
vertical fin? That thing that *looks* like maybe a number three? Now
who could THAT be? Yup, Ray, it's true, I'm a race fan...gotta admit
it. But you'll notice that I made the "3" just enough different from a
particular copyrighted #3 that I hope I won't get any visits from
Richard Childress's lawyers telling me to change it. Maybe as a
precaution I'll keep the plane in the hangar when the Nascar boys come
to visit this summer at nearby (15 miles) Michigan International
Speedway. Or maybe if I'm flying it by then, make a pass close enough
to MIS to let 'em know how REAL Dale Earnhardt fans express their
undying loyalty.
Just for grins, take a real close look in the background of the plane
picture, and you might see two vehicles lurking in the dark, both
wearing a #3 front license plate...hell, it's the real reason I moved
back to Michigan from California....no front license plate requirements
here.
Lynn
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 10:38 AM, RAY Gignac wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
> Just seen your Fox on frappr, nice plane, looks like you're a race
> fan!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement
> plates
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| Subject: | Re: Covering wingtips- fabric reinforcement plates |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Yes, that's what I did...rivet the aluminum strip to the underside of
the last rib cap, then when it's time to cover, press the fabric down
into the right-angle formed between the cap and the aluminum strip,
across the strip, around the edge of the strip, and cement under the
strip. It'll hold 'til the cows come home....actually longer than THAT,
thank God! I'm not sure if the fabric would hold just being glued to
the strip itself, so why take chances. And don't forget that this area
will be covered with the pinked finishing tapes, which I also formed
down into the cap/strip interface.
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 01:33 PM, Matt Teixeira wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira"
> <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
>
> Lynn
>
> I have one wing with the added-on aluminum strip installed (previous
> owner), but the wing is not covered. Can I cover this added-on strip
> with fabric? Will the fabric have enough hold if it doesn't wrap
> around
> the end rib cap strip?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt
> IV-1200
> Fresno, CA
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| Subject: | Small alternator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Contact me off list, may be able to help.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint
Bazzill
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Small alternator
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
--> <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know of a small alternator, puts out 20 so amps. Everything
I
find is a little too big to fit in the Model IV. Clint
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Out 02/20/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Elbie,
Maybe I missed something here too.
I do recall during my multi engine training that once the prop was feathered
and engine secured, the airplane did climb a lot better, and with less rudder
input. This was on a GA-7 Cougar some time ago.
Doug Remoundos
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Nope, Jose, it's a Model IV, with clipped wings, and I now have the
wingtips on. I took that picture while practicing taxiing not long ago.
I guess maybe I should all those facts to my signature, now that the
plane is done and waiting for final inspection.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 04:19 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Lynn:
>
> I just saw your Kitfox picture, and realized that it
> is Jabiru powered. Is it that a Model III?
>
> Regards!
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV Wing Extensions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Business Address <rdarchangel@earthlink.net>
Sorry about the delay, I was out of town for a few days. I have a paper
copy of the manual 5.5 x 8.5 spiral bound. Here are some scans. let me
know if this is usable and what other data you need.
Dick
Your Name wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Your Name" <dwayne@flywv.com>
>
>Dick,
>
> Thanks for the reply! Is the POH info that you have in a format so
>that you can email it? If not let me know what to send you for mailing
>it to me.
>
>Thanks,
>Dwayne
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>>I have POH information specific to the Speedster with a 912UL..
>>
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>contact
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>>me and I will send you copies of the data you need.
>>Dick
>>Your Name wrote:
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>>>I would like to find a source for the wing extensions for my Model
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mscotter" <mscotter@comcast.net>
Can anyone give any advice as far as speed/performance requirements for a
PDA to run GPS/moving map software?
I just came across a Dell Axim X5, 400 MHZ, was thinking of purchasing, but
am not sure if this will be fast enough. Can anyone share their experiences
with a standard PDA and what equipment has worked well for them? I am
looking for specific numbers in terms of processor speed, software, memory,
etc. Thanks.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I'm using an X3 with the same processor as that X5 running Pocket FMS. It is just
fast enough. With all the nifty options turned on, I can't zoom out to show
more than 20 miles without panning getting too slow. It's really only an issue
when creating long cross country flight plans on the pda. You can't really
zoom all the way out to see the whole plan. Then again, you can create flight
plans on the PC and upload them to the PDA. I expect that the PDA will spend
most of the time zoomed in to 5 miles or so during normal use. At that zoom level,
it pans fine. Some of the menus are a still a little clunky but that shouldn't
affect your flying. All things considered, I wish I had sprung for one of
those nifty Dell X50v models with the VGA display. Since the software was free,
I would still be saving a boatload compared to a used Garmin 196.
One thing to keep in mind with the Axim line is that they don't have native rs232
support. That makes the interface cable for a GPS sensor a little on the expensive
side ($50). I think that the HP PDAs have built in rs232 support which
makes the cable cheaper.. Just something to consider when you compare prices.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13983#13983
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| Subject: | Re: heating epoxy for removal-flaming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
grinding on the bolt will jump the heat up to two hundred pretty quick and
with no flame or heating of the fabric.
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| Subject: | Re: Small alternator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Clint,
Here's a link to a website that may help:
http://www.vicic.com.tw/alternators/altproducts.htm
It might take some trial and error but it shows the
specs and dimensions for quite a few models. If you
find one that looks like a possibility, most auto
parts stores stock them by the 5 digit part number
that is shown.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
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> Does anyone know of a small alternator, puts out 20
> so amps. Everything I
> find is a little too big to fit in the Model IV.
> Clint
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
If you are looking at Anywhere Map then you want the latest Ipaq. A minimum of
512 SD memory card. High speed of course. But don't bother with the very high
capacity cards as the reliability of the super size cards is lower. I only
fly with the card zoomed in to 5 miles on approach to landing. But it really
zooms in for position on the taxiway.
Jim Shumaker
mscotter <mscotter@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mscotter"
Can anyone give any advice as far as speed/performance requirements for a
PDA to run GPS/moving map software?
I just came across a Dell Axim X5, 400 MHZ, was thinking of purchasing, but
am not sure if this will be fast enough. Can anyone share their experiences
with a standard PDA and what equipment has worked well for them? I am
looking for specific numbers in terms of processor speed, software, memory,
etc. Thanks.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
You are right about this Rex. If you ever try to look
something up in the archives, you get pretty
frustrated by all the times we forget to change the
subject lines. I am guilty too. You have to go thru
so many with old subject lines to find the info you
were looking for. Too often it isnt under the
subject you wanted, but you have to folllow the string
to get there.
You nicely make a good point Rex and I will try to
repair my habits so I am not the one frustrating me,
at least. ;-)
Kurt S
--- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
>
> Great post Kurt and others.
>
> I'm guilty of sometimes deleting certain posts
> based on the subject
> line if it appears it won't apply to my model Kitfox
> or equipment, etc.
> I'm glad I presisted and continued to read the
> thread instead of trying
> to make my daily email task more efficient. I also
> tend to read posts
> from certain listers regardless of the subject (such
> as Kurts).
>
> Might I suggest that we follow the practice of
> changing/amending the
> subject line to help folks like me? (such as I've
> done with this subject
> line) I wouldn't want anyone to miss out on advice
> that's of vital
> benefit to all of us.
>
> Rex
> Colorado (currently Orlando,FL)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Bill,
I seem to remember "Chenoweth" as an Indian name, but
googling it came up with all women??? Just courious
as to the origion....
Anyway, the first case I remember of a plane
overflying the landing zone was a C-150 with an
instructor testing a student. They did a practice
engine out by killing the engine. Set up nicely for a
landing and then tried to restart. When it didnt,
the instructor shut off the fuel. Then the student
got it started and.... guess what? It ran long enough
to get them to the far end of the field. Too many
cooks in the kitchen.
Another was an engine failure in Mexico with one of
our great KitFox listers. He made history in Mexico
twice with his plane. It was while testing another
builders plane that the engine quit. I dont know
which engine it was. He got a restart, but it quit
again leaving him in a bad spot. We lost him only a
few years ago from that.
I would rather if no one did that again!
Elbie, on this list, makes a reasonable priced AOA
system that I bought and like. The probe attaches to
the jury strut, but you have to run wire thru the wing
to it. I think his is the lowest priced out there,
last I saw. (I dont count the BaconSaver since you
have to look over at it instead of flying your plane.)
Cant look it up now, but I think he had it in
Aircraft Spruce for sale. Havent checked his latest
price either, but it really can make setting best
climb/glide speeds easy. In fact, I had to turn it
off during testing so I didnt cheat on myself and
ignore the airspeed indicator when I needed it for
data. If you have AOA and a GPS for ground
speed/navigating, the ASI is hardly useful or looked
at.
Anyway, AOA is a reasonable thing to have, safety
wise.
Kurt S.
--- Chenoweth <chenoweth@gwi.net> wrote:
> Kurt,
> Back when I was building I looked into an AOA system
> and decided against it
> mostly due to cost. There were some issues with
> mounting it on a fabric
> covered plane, too. Kind of wish I'd bought one now
> because I think it
> would be interesting to have some precise
> information on best speeds. A
> friend has one on his RV7A and finds it very
> helpful.
> Great advice on the engine starts. I'm guessing
> that the folks you describe
> as loosing their engines after restart and powering
> away are flying
> two-strokes, right? I certainly gave that
> particular point a lot of thought
> when working out my plans though I do have the blue
> head 582 which has a
> thermostat. Even so I did approach the application
> of power after the restart with a lot of caution.
> Bill
> do not archive
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