---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/26/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:09 AM - Water Pressure Gauge (Larry Martin) 2. 07:52 AM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Bradley M Webb) 3. 08:15 AM - Re: Radiator ideas (Bradley M Webb) 4. 08:15 AM - Re: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation (Lowell Fitt) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Jim Burke) 6. 08:59 AM - AOK tires (Sid Hausding) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: AN Fittings (vft@aol.com) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation (kurt schrader) 9. 12:21 PM - rudder pedal reinforcements (Fox5flyer) 10. 01:51 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (jdmcbean) 11. 04:42 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (Fox5flyer) 12. 09:03 PM - Tax deduction (Greaves) 13. 09:23 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (RAY Gignac) 14. 09:24 PM - Re: Tax deduction (jdmcbean) 15. 09:24 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (jdmcbean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:08 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Does anyone use a water PRESSURE gauge to monitor the cooling system? What are the pros/cons? Thanks, Larry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:06 AM PST US From: "Bradley M Webb" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" Larry, I'm thinking about it, as well. CPS recommends on in their articale on Rotax cooling systems (but then, they also recommend a CHT gauge, which is useless on a water cooled Rotax). It would accomplish two things: 1) if your water pump fails, it would register that well before you discover the temps are high, in the same manner as the oil pressure gauge, and 2) it would verify that your pressure cap is functioning properly. I suppose that it would also help detect a low water situation, or cavitation (sp?) in the pump, as is prone on my 582. Cons? The only one I can think of is common to all instruments: You must look at it to detect a change. This is one of the great things about the engine monitors available today. They'll alarm you if anything goes amiss, so you don't have to continually eyeball the gauge. Bradley KF2 N1836 Middle GA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Does anyone use a water PRESSURE gauge to monitor the cooling system? What are the pros/cons? Thanks, Larry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:22 AM PST US From: "Bradley M Webb" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" Finally, success! After trying a number of times, I finally got the pics of my radiator onto Sportflight.com. They're under "Add Ons/Modifications". I've also uploaded a .jpg drawing into "Sketches" section showing my setup theory. So far, it works pretty well, but I'm still taking care of details, like total sealing. I'm also considering increasing the lip size, from 1/4 inch to 3/4 inch, in an effort to further increase the low-pressure "bubble", and help on hot days. For reference, the previous owner had the airbrake under-fuse setup, and said 200 degrees was common. My setup has never exceeded 188 degrees so far, and the 582 at 5800rpm gives me VNE (90mph). So I guess I've improved it. The rad is mounted using SS plates bolted to the firewall, and the rad just rests on the bottom lips. Some cowling seal rubber creates a chamber that forces air through the rad downward. It then exits the bottom. The muffler has a "cowl" with an air space, about 1/2 inch, and is held on with large hose clamps. The idea here was to allow air flow to take the muff heat away from the rad. I'll try to get some pics of my cowl scoop and post them, but it's eerily similar to some of the others posted there. Just some .025 curved aluminum, side plates, and a hinged flap with lip at the back. Bradley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley M Webb Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" This weekend I will try to post them up. Maybe Sportflight site. I'll let you all know when and where. Bradley KF2 N1836 Middle GA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 03:53 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I'm guessing what the article is really saying is that you must play around >with Bernoulli. Bradley's got it right; and I'd love to see his installation. I have the radiator below the fuselage with the Skystar "scoop" which is just a big flat plate as far as drag is concerned. A real radiator scoop actually provides thrust, as in the P-51, because the heat added increases the velocity of the exhaust beyond that of the incoming air. I hadn't thought there was room in the cowl for this type of installation. I'll have to take another look. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:22 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Bill and Ron, I just checked my hangar brackets and there is at least 1/2" between the trailing edge and the point where the top bracket and the bottom bracket meet just before the rivet. Actually it's more like 5/8" - I went out and measured and the latter is what I have on my airplane. I fly a Mod IV-1200. The fit gets even tighter after covering - two layers of fabric and a layer of finishing tape on both sides of the wing, at least on the aft most inch or so. Regarding the aluminum backing plates and the drilling process. Put a spring clamp on both sides of the intended hole. I thought I was pretty careful about the backing plate gluing process, but I had more than one separate from the capstrip. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > Bill I am right behind you and hope to be mounting my flaperons in the > next > week or two. I will refrain from suggesting mounting them farther back > than > designed for three reasons. 1 make sure you are mounting to enough rib. > 2 > make sure you can align with bearing center at turtle deck. 3 I might get > flamed for suggesting a shortcut. Hopefully someone else has been down > this > road before and can offer a good solution. > I am rebuilding a wing that was destroyed by the former non-builder. > One of the things he did wrong was to force a dull bit while drilling the > flaperon attachment holes in the wing. This pushed some of the aluminum > reinforcement plates away from the rib so that they were not captured by > the > rivets when assembled. I plan on using a new bit in a high speed drill to > do these holes. > Ron NB Ore MK IV Speedster > >>From: "cjswa" >>To: >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation >>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:20:12 -0500 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cjswa" >> >>List: >> >>I am getting ready to drill the holes to attach the flaperon hanger >>brackets >>to the ribs on a Model 4 - 1050. The manual calls for a space of 0.25" >>from >>the trailing edge to the edge of the top bracket bolt hole. The problem >>is >>that when I slide them onto the rib without bending them I get something >>more like a 1/2" gap. So my question is, do I install them with the 1/2" >>gap, or do I force them further up the ribs by flexing (bending) them to >>get >>the 1/4" gap? Is there a problem with having them mounted further back >>from >>the trailing edge than the manual calls for? How much space do other's >>have >>between the training edge and the bracket? >> >>Thanks for any and all advice. >> >>Bill Anderson >>Model 4 -1050 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:36 AM PST US From: Jim Burke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke Larry, I have always used a water pressure gauge on my 582. I would say it is one of the most important gauges I monitor during flight. A absents of pressure will let me know I have a leak or a low water problem. It can also ensure my pressure cap is maintaining the rated pressure of the cap itself. Like any other gauge you have to scan it on a regular basic's for it to be a useful instrument. Jim N94JE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley M Webb" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" > > Larry, > I'm thinking about it, as well. CPS recommends on in their articale on > Rotax > cooling systems (but then, they also recommend a CHT gauge, which is > useless > on a water cooled Rotax). It would accomplish two things: 1) if your water > pump fails, it would register that well before you discover the temps are > high, in the same manner as the oil pressure gauge, and 2) it would verify > that your pressure cap is functioning properly. > > I suppose that it would also help detect a low water situation, or > cavitation (sp?) in the pump, as is prone on my 582. > > Cons? The only one I can think of is common to all instruments: You must > look at it to detect a change. This is one of the great things about the > engine monitors available today. They'll alarm you if anything goes amiss, > so you don't have to continually eyeball the gauge. > > Bradley > KF2 N1836 > Middle GA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:03 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > Does anyone use a water PRESSURE gauge to monitor the cooling system? > > What are the pros/cons? > > Thanks, > Larry > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US From: Sid Hausding Subject: Kitfox-List: AOK tires --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding Okay, know whom to contact now.........Thanks, Sid do not archive. --------------------------------------- Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com I got the tires from a guy in Michigan they are common in powered parachutes $80 delivered --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:56 AM PST US From: vft@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AN Fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com I have found that Earls Indy 317-241-0318 seems to stock a lot of things that get backordered by Summit or Jegs. It helps to have an Earls catalog when you take to them as they don't list anything on their website. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory -----Original Message----- From: David Estapa Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:43:28 -0500 Subject: Kitfox-List: AN Fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa I need two 14mm to AN -8 fittings for my oil system. I ordered them thru Summit Racing the first of January. They were back ordered and supposed to ship Feb. 15. Now the ship date has been pushed back to April 4th. Summit supplies Earl's fittings. I've checked on several web sites and can't find then any where else. Anybody know of an alternate source? David Estapa Woodstock, GA N97DE S5TD 912ULS (ready to Taxi Test) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:48 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon Hanger Bracket Installation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Bill, I had to use some force and clamps to put mine in position, but I went by the plans here. It was worth it. Just be careful not to strain the rivets in the flapperon brackets too much. I think I bent all the upper mounts a little to keep the strain down and make them fit better. It only takes a little verticle change to make them go forward that extra 1/4 inch. Take your time and it will come out right. Kurt S. --- cjswa wrote: > List: > > I am getting ready to drill the holes to attach the > flaperon hanger brackets > to the ribs on a Model 4 - 1050. The manual calls > for a space of 0.25" from > the trailing edge to the edge of the top bracket > bolt hole. The problem is > that when I slide them onto the rib without bending > them I get something > more like a 1/2" gap. So my question is, do I > install them with the 1/2" > gap, or do I force them further up the ribs by > flexing (bending) them to get > the 1/4" gap? Is there a problem with having them > mounted further back from > the trailing edge than the manual calls for? How > much space do other's have > between the training edge and the bracket? > > Thanks for any and all advice. > > Bill Anderson > Model 4 -1050 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:20 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some rudder pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out there can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or find them aftermarket? Deke ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:15 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Try http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm Fly Safe !! John McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some rudder pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out there can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or find them aftermarket? Deke ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:02 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks John. Was I correct in my assumption that they're split and can be installed without removing the pedal assemblies? Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > > Try http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm > > Fly Safe !! > John McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM > To: Kitfox List > Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some rudder > pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable > without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out there > can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or find > them aftermarket? > Deke > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:53 PM PST US From: "Greaves" Subject: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" Anyone out there who has taken a big hit financially as a result of Skystar's Chapter 7 examined the tax implications? I got nailed since I didn't get my engine and a number of other parts. Does anyone know if one can deduct the financial loss somehow when filing this year with the IRS? Perhaps we have to wait until eternity for the bankruptcy crud to officially be over so see if we get a dime from Skyscrew before claiming it as some form of 'loss'.... Wade ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:27 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" John, will these work on the model IV? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: jdmcbean To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > Try http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm Fly Safe !! John McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM To: Kitfox List Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some rudder pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out there can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or find them aftermarket? Deke ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:16 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Technically it is a loss and therefore should be deductable.. But I am no Tax accountant. Fly Safe !! John McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greaves Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" Anyone out there who has taken a big hit financially as a result of Skystar's Chapter 7 examined the tax implications? I got nailed since I didn't get my engine and a number of other parts. Does anyone know if one can deduct the financial loss somehow when filing this year with the IRS? Perhaps we have to wait until eternity for the bankruptcy crud to officially be over so see if we get a dime from Skyscrew before claiming it as some form of 'loss'.... Wade ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:16 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Deke, Yes that is correct... Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks John. Was I correct in my assumption that they're split and can be installed without removing the pedal assemblies? Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > > Try http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm > > Fly Safe !! > John McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM > To: Kitfox List > Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some rudder > pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable > without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out there > can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or find > them aftermarket? > Deke > >