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1. 12:50 AM - Cruise vs. Vne speed (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:06 AM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Graeme Toft)
3. 10:06 AM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (jdmcbean)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers (Matt Teixeira)
5. 10:28 AM - Tax Deduction for BK tRe: Tax deduction (Harris, Robert)
6. 10:28 AM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Andrew Matthaey)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Tax deduction (Ben Baltrusaitis)
8. 10:50 AM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (jdmcbean)
9. 11:39 AM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Rex)
10. 11:39 AM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (ron schick)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (RAY Gignac)
12. 12:44 PM - What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V (Harris, Robert)
13. 12:54 PM - Re: Radiator ideas (Ron Liebmann)
14. 01:40 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (Jim Burke)
15. 02:03 PM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Michel Verheughe)
16. 02:43 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (Mr NELSON GOGUEN)
17. 02:44 PM - Re: What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V (Rueb, Duane)
18. 02:47 PM - Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers (James C. Hartford)
19. 03:12 PM - Re: rudder pedal reinforcements (jdmcbean)
20. 03:12 PM - Re: What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V (jdmcbean)
21. 03:15 PM - Re: WAS: Cruise vs. Vne speed - Glass eye? (Marco Menezes)
22. 03:32 PM - Rudder pedal reinforcements for the Model IV (jdmcbean)
23. 03:42 PM - 6.00 x 6 Tire recommendations (Harris, Robert)
24. 04:18 PM - EAA NW Arlington Fly-In (Joel Mapes)
25. 04:50 PM - Fiberglassing tips? (Don Pearsall)
26. 05:05 PM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (jdmcbean)
27. 05:31 PM - Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (dcaofak)
28. 05:42 PM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Rex Shaw)
29. 05:59 PM - Re: Tax Deduction for BK tRe: Tax deduction (Randy Daughenbaugh)
30. 06:46 PM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Bradley M Webb)
31. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Bradley M Webb)
32. 07:09 PM - Re: Fiberglassing tips? (Jeffrey Puls)
33. 07:17 PM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Ron Liebmann)
34. 07:33 PM - Re: Fiberglassing tips? (Lowell Fitt)
35. 07:37 PM - Vne speed (Dee Young)
36. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed (Lowell Fitt)
37. 08:46 PM - Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers (Bill Pleso)
38. 09:58 PM - Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers (ron schick)
39. 10:32 PM - Re: Fiberglassing tips? (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of different
Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2 saying that he cruises
at 122 MPH.
I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH says that
100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model 2 has a higher
Vne that the model 3?
While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to slow down
to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad the turbulence
must be for you to slow down?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Michel, I have always backed off in turbulence because of the real
possibility of exceeding VNE very quickly, in fact excessive speed can occur
so fast that even in mild conditions I tend to find myself flying with my
hand on the throttle. Here in Queensland most of our turbulence is created
by heat with very little mechanical effect due to a relatively flattish
terrain. At times the thermals are so active you can be in a descending
attitude but ascending at over 1500 ft a minute, then as you come out of the
thermal you will enter another that is descending equally as fast. I like to
keep at least 20 knots between VNE and cruise as a safety margin in these
conditions. The figures on the Model 2 in my humble opinion are pushing the
limit.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
> On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of
> different Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2
> saying that he cruises at 122 MPH.
> I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH
> says that 100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model 2
> has a higher Vne that the model 3?
>
> While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to
> slow down to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad the
> turbulence must be for you to slow down?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Michel,
The Vne is 100 mph on the 2 and the 3. I doubt what was being said is the
truth.. There are not that many Fox's cruising around at 122 mph and the
ones that are, have the flatter bottom wing not the high under camber. You
can visit the about Kitfox page on our web
http://sportplanellc.com/about_kitfox.htm regarding the Vne.
As for Va... follow your comfort level if it feels like you should be slower
then slow down... I think you'll find that above mild turbulence in the
Kitfox usually does the trick and you'll slow down. If there is a lot of
gusty type turbulence (gust loads) it is a good idea to be at Va.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of
different Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2 saying
that he cruises at 122 MPH.
I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH says
that 100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model 2 has a
higher Vne that the model 3?
While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to
slow down to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad the
turbulence must be for you to slow down?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Ribs,Tail Feathers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
Colin
I would appreciate it if you could send me a copy of your cad file as
well. I would like to build up the tail feathers of my KIV and add
bottom false ribs.
I can handle the A2 sheet size plots so there would be no need to
rearrange them.
Thank you very much.
Matt, Fresno, CA
KIV-1200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Durey
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ribs,Tail Feathers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Howie,
I took over a KF4 kit last year and wanted to streamline the
rudder/elevator assembly, but the templates/parts were not in the kit.
I
have since drawn a full set of rib templates using AutoCad, and am using
these to do the job. They are not 100% perfect, but with a very small
amount of effort, they do the job quite well. If you are interested, I
can email you a copy of the templates, either in dwg. , or .pdf format,
and you can print them out yourself.
The sheet size is A2, but I could rearrange them and spread them across
smaller pages, which you would need to gue together (some of the ribs
are
quite long.
Let me know if you are interested.
Regards
Colin Durey
Sydney - Australia
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
The deposits you lost can be written off as a non-business bad debt. It
will be a short term capital loss subject to the capital loss
limitations which will be reported on your 2006 Schedule D. Attach a
statement to your 2006 tax return that explains that you made deposits
with Skystar but they filed bankruptcy. Include the dates and amounts of
your deposits and Skystar's Employer identification and bankruptcy
information.
If you get reimbursed in a later year then you will need to claim it as
income in the year received
Robert
Model V N200KF
San Diego
Tax Accountant/TurboTax Programmer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Technically it is a loss and therefore should be deductable.. But I am
no
Tax accountant.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greaves
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Anyone out there who has taken a big hit financially as a result of
Skystar's Chapter 7 examined the tax implications?
I got nailed since I didn't get my engine and a number of other parts.
Does
anyone know if one can deduct the financial loss somehow when filing
this
year with the IRS? Perhaps we have to wait until eternity for the
bankruptcy crud to officially be over so see if we get a dime from
Skyscrew
before claiming it as some form of 'loss'....
Wade
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I doubt that the Model 2 is cruising at 122...what's he got for a
powerplant?
My Model 3 with the 582 doesn't cruise over 80 at WOT, but normal cruise is
65-70. And what would Va be in our earlier models?
Also, it's amazing how quickly the 'Fox picks up speed - in a power-off dive
she'll hit 100 in about 3 seconds!
Andrew
>From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:02:04 +1000
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi Michel, I have always backed off in turbulence because of the real
>possibility of exceeding VNE very quickly, in fact excessive speed can
>occur
>so fast that even in mild conditions I tend to find myself flying with my
>hand on the throttle. Here in Queensland most of our turbulence is created
>by heat with very little mechanical effect due to a relatively flattish
>terrain. At times the thermals are so active you can be in a descending
>attitude but ascending at over 1500 ft a minute, then as you come out of
>the
>thermal you will enter another that is descending equally as fast. I like
>to
>keep at least 20 knots between VNE and cruise as a safety margin in these
>conditions. The figures on the Model 2 in my humble opinion are pushing the
>limit.
>
>Cheers
>Graeme Toft
>Queensland Safety Solutions
>Ph: 07 49397011
>Mob: 0411476527
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Hello guys,
> > On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of
> > different Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2
> > saying that he cruises at 122 MPH.
> > I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH
> > says that 100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model
>2
> > has a higher Vne that the model 3?
> >
> > While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to
> > slow down to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad
>the
> > turbulence must be for you to slow down?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tax deduction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Wade,
You can take a deduction on line 22 of Schedule A as a "hobby loss".
If you operate your flying as a business, then use Schedule C or the whatever Corporate
form you file.
You will be able to take the deduction for '05 if you have some type of proof that
your purchase has no value. I'm sorry, Wade, that is a real bummer.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Technically it is a loss and therefore should be deductable.. But I am no
Tax accountant.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greaves
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:59 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Anyone out there who has taken a big hit financially as a result of
Skystar's Chapter 7 examined the tax implications?
I got nailed since I didn't get my engine and a number of other parts. Does
anyone know if one can deduct the financial loss somehow when filing this
year with the IRS? Perhaps we have to wait until eternity for the
bankruptcy crud to officially be over so see if we get a dime from Skyscrew
before claiming it as some form of 'loss'....
Wade
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| Subject: | rudder pedal reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I have not tried them on the IV.. The tubing diameter is a different size so
I doubt they would work. :(
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
John, will these work on the model IV?
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
<jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
Try
http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%2
0Products.htm>
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro
nics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>
While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
rudder
pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable
without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out
there
can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or
find
them aftermarket?
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Hi Michel,
No the Vne has risen with some newer models of Kitfox, never fallen.
Standard Model 2 Vne is also 100 MPH. If someone properly modified their
Model 2 it's possible they might safely operate at a higher Vne, but I
wouldn't know about that.
Rex
M2 - N740GP
Colorado
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello guys,
>On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of different
Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2 saying that he cruises
at 122 MPH.
>I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH says that
100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model 2 has a higher
Vne that the model 3?
>
>While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to slow
down to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad the turbulence
must be for you to slow down?
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Karla and Rex Hefferan
Gypsy Bee Innkeepers
719-651-5198 or 719-651-9192
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| Subject: | Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Hi michel. I have an early model Avid Flyer and one of the differances that
keeps it's VNE slow is the .060 windscreen. At 100 MPH it is pushing in
more than the .090 thick windscreen. With the .090 windscreen it could be
somewhere near 135.
Ron NB Ore
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:46:12 +0100 (CET)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello guys,
>On the Jabiru Engines list, someone was comparing the cruise speed of
>different Kitfoxes and I was surprised to see someone with a model 2 saying
>that he cruises at 122 MPH.
>I have a model 3 and while I believe I can reach 122 MPH at WOT, my POH
>says that 100 MPH is Vne, and I respect that. Could it be that the model 2
>has a higher Vne that the model 3?
>
>While on the subject of speed, I was wondering when you, guys, decide to
>slow down to Va, due to turbulence. I know the theory but ... how bad the
>turbulence must be for you to slow down?
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
Thanks anyways, was trying to find a better way!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
I have not tried them on the IV.. The tubing diameter is a different size so
I doubt they would work. :(
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com<mailto:KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>>
John, will these work on the model IV?
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
<jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>>
Try
http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%2<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc>
0Products.htm>
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/<http://www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro>
nics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>>
While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
rudder
pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable
without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out
there
can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or
find
them aftermarket?
Deke
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| Subject: | What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
List,
Could someone please tell me what the stock tire size is for a Model V
Outback? (I just bought 6.00 x 6, 4 ply McCreary "Air Hawk")
Robert
Model V N200KF
San Diego
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator ideas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Hey Brad,
Thanks much for the pictures. They are a big help. I have a Model 2 with the
newer engine mount but I don't think that that will matter. Post the scoop
pictures when ya can as I'm sure that we can use them too...
Ron Mod 2/582 N55KF
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
> Finally, success! After trying a number of times, I finally got the pics
> of
> my radiator onto Sportflight.com. They're under "Add Ons/Modifications".
> I've also uploaded a .jpg drawing into "Sketches" section showing my setup
> theory. So far, it works pretty well, but I'm still taking care of
> details,
> like total sealing. I'm also considering increasing the lip size, from 1/4
> inch to 3/4 inch, in an effort to further increase the low-pressure
> "bubble", and help on hot days.
>
> For reference, the previous owner had the airbrake under-fuse setup, and
> said 200 degrees was common. My setup has never exceeded 188 degrees so
> far,
> and the 582 at 5800rpm gives me VNE (90mph). So I guess I've improved it.
>
> The rad is mounted using SS plates bolted to the firewall, and the rad
> just
> rests on the bottom lips. Some cowling seal rubber creates a chamber that
> forces air through the rad downward. It then exits the bottom. The muffler
> has a "cowl" with an air space, about 1/2 inch, and is held on with large
> hose clamps. The idea here was to allow air flow to take the muff heat
> away
> from the rad.
>
> I'll try to get some pics of my cowl scoop and post them, but it's eerily
> similar to some of the others posted there. Just some .025 curved
> aluminum,
> side plates, and a hinged flap with lip at the back.
>
> Bradley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley M
> Webb
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
> This weekend I will try to post them up. Maybe Sportflight site. I'll let
> you all know when and where.
>
> Bradley
> KF2 N1836
> Middle GA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:20 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator ideas
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 03:53 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote:
>>I'm guessing what the article is really saying is that you must play
>>around
>>with Bernoulli.
>
> Bradley's got it right; and I'd love to see his installation. I have the
> radiator below the fuselage with the Skystar "scoop" which is just a big
> flat plate as far as drag is concerned. A real radiator scoop actually
> provides thrust, as in the P-51, because the heat added increases the
> velocity of the exhaust beyond that of the incoming air. I hadn't thought
> there was room in the cowl for this type of installation. I'll have to
> take
> another look.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
John, I was thinking about buying and installing your reinfordements
brackets, but I have a IV should I measure the hardware to make sure they
fit? Is the IV beefed up over the 2 and 3? Just let me know what I should
do.
Jim N94JE IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> I have not tried them on the IV.. The tubing diameter is a different size
> so
> I doubt they would work. :(
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
> John, will these work on the model IV?
>
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
>
> Try
> http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%2
> 0Products.htm>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro
> nics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>
>
> While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
> rudder
> pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable
> without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out
> there
> can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or
> find
> them aftermarket?
> Deke
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you, Graeme, Jim, Andrew, Ron and Rex, for your answers.
For the cruise speed, on the Jabiru list, someone was asking for the
performance of a Jabiru 2200 (that's your answer, Andrew) on a draggy
plane similar to a Kitfox or Avid Flyer. Several answered and the
person was puzzled that it may vary from 80 MPH (my cruise speed) to
122 MPH (one reported by a friend Kitfox 2 owner). I agree with you,
it must be exaggerated or, the owner has a special model 2 and likes
fast cruising! :-)
For the Va speed, I understand that it is a matter of comfort and that,
when in turbulent air, Vne is quickly exceeded as both vertical and
indicated speed needles move fast in all directions. But, I remember
that I once sailed into a French harbour to hear French yachtsmen who
had just arrived before me, talking about sailing in a storm ... when I
would have called it a moderate gale. It's all in the observator's eye.
As a novice pilot, any turbulence is a bit scary and I was wondering
what is real bad stuff that needs to stay at Va to avoid structural
damages. Do I have to loose my denture, wig and glass eye, to call it
significant turbulence? So far, the worse I have experienced is a short
moment when I felt my feet lifted from the floor ... it must have been
negative Gs. Is that "bad turbulence" or ... "moderate gale?"
I also like Rod Machado's saying: "Turbulence are like waves at sea,
only that you don't see them ... and that's what horror movies are made
of!" :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mr NELSON GOGUEN" <mino2@verizon.net>
Hi deke,
I made them myself. I learned the trade of "pattern making" from my Dad,
many years ago. When my Dad started his Pattern Shop, there were six
foundries in our local town, now there are none. So there are not to many
pattern makers around here anymore. There is one small aluminum foundry
not to far away and that's the one I used to get these castings made. I
took into account the aluminum shrinkage and also the diameter of the one
inch tubing, with powder coating, They do fit very well and should do the
job of reinforcing that weld joint. When someone, on this list, talked
about cracking, at that point, I shared a problem with a lot of us. How to
reinforce that joint without removing the rivets, that hold the stainless
steel part of the firewall, that goes under the fuselage. Then I could get
the rudder petal assembly out, and have reinforcements welded to them. In
addition it sure messes up the powder coating. The reinforcements are held
in place with structural adhesive and rivets on the vertical arms. I had a
few sets cast at the same time and will sell them with cherry rivets,
capscrews and postage for $50 for one set of rudder petals. If anyone is
interested my address is 456 Main Street, Ashby, MA 01431
Nelson. ---- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
> rudder pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to
> doable without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're
> out there can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them
> yourself or find them aftermarket?
> Deke
>
>
>
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| Subject: | What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Robert:
I have a V Safari and it is fitted with 6.00 x 6 tires. This is
the standard tire size for the plane, and would accommodate the wheel
pants (which I do not have installed). Some people have used a larger
tire size to make the plane more of a rough field user, but I think you
have purchased the correct standard size.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
List,
Could someone please tell me what the stock tire size is for a Model V
Outback? (I just bought 6.00 x 6, 4 ply McCreary "Air Hawk")
Robert
Model V N200KF
San Diego
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| Subject: | Ribs,Tail Feathers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
Colin I would also like to get a copy of the files. You can send me dwg
file, but if you would include the PDF in case I cant open the Dwg. I am
working on a MII and would like to consider install the additional ribs
before covering.
Jim Hartford
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Durey
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ribs,Tail Feathers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Howie,
I took over a KF4 kit last year and wanted to streamline the
rudder/elevator assembly, but the templates/parts were not in the kit.
I
have since drawn a full set of rib templates using AutoCad, and am using
these to do the job. They are not 100% perfect, but with a very small
amount of effort, they do the job quite well. If you are interested, I
can email you a copy of the templates, either in dwg. , or .pdf format,
and you can print them out yourself.
The sheet size is A2, but I could rearrange them and spread them across
smaller pages, which you would need to gue together (some of the ribs
are
quite long.
Let me know if you are interested.
Regards
Colin Durey
Sydney - Australia
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howie's Mail"
> <howiebee@frontiernet.net>
>
> I am new to the net ......
>
> I have a Classic 4 kitfox and I am looking for the patters or who to
> contact for the tail feather ribs,,,,,Maybe someone can help...
>
> Howie
>
>
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| Subject: | rudder pedal reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Jim,
The tubes are different sizes. The brackets will not work on a IV or
earlier.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
John, I was thinking about buying and installing your reinfordements
brackets, but I have a IV should I measure the hardware to make sure they
fit? Is the IV beefed up over the 2 and 3? Just let me know what I should
do.
Jim N94JE IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> I have not tried them on the IV.. The tubing diameter is a different size
> so
> I doubt they would work. :(
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
> John, will these work on the model IV?
>
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
>
> Try
>
http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%2
> 0Products.htm>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
>
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro
> nics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>
>
> While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
> rudder
> pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable
> without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out
> there
> can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or
> find
> them aftermarket?
> Deke
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Robert,
That is the stock size as delivered. You can install larger tires if you
do not intend on installing wheel pants.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: What's the stock Tire Size for a Model V
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
List,
Could someone please tell me what the stock tire size is for a Model V
Outback? (I just bought 6.00 x 6, 4 ply McCreary "Air Hawk")
Robert
Model V N200KF
San Diego
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| Subject: | Re: WAS: Cruise vs. Vne speed - Glass eye? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
We didn't know you had a glass eye Michel! ;-)
Do not archive
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Thank you, Graeme, Jim, Andrew, Ron and Rex, for your answers.
For the cruise speed, on the Jabiru list, someone was asking for the
performance of a Jabiru 2200 (that's your answer, Andrew) on a draggy
plane similar to a Kitfox or Avid Flyer. Several answered and the
person was puzzled that it may vary from 80 MPH (my cruise speed) to
122 MPH (one reported by a friend Kitfox 2 owner). I agree with you,
it must be exaggerated or, the owner has a special model 2 and likes
fast cruising! :-)
For the Va speed, I understand that it is a matter of comfort and that,
when in turbulent air, Vne is quickly exceeded as both vertical and
indicated speed needles move fast in all directions. But, I remember
that I once sailed into a French harbour to hear French yachtsmen who
had just arrived before me, talking about sailing in a storm ... when I
would have called it a moderate gale. It's all in the observator's eye.
As a novice pilot, any turbulence is a bit scary and I was wondering
what is real bad stuff that needs to stay at Va to avoid structural
damages. Do I have to loose my denture, wig and glass eye, to call it
significant turbulence? So far, the worse I have experienced is a short
moment when I felt my feet lifted from the floor ... it must have been
negative Gs. Is that "bad turbulence" or ... "moderate gale?"
I also like Rod Machado's saying: "Turbulence are like waves at sea,
only that you don't see them ... and that's what horror movies are made
of!" :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Rudder pedal reinforcements for the Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
If there were enough interest in the brackets for the IV they could be made.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Jim,
The tubes are different sizes. The brackets will not work on a IV or
earlier.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
John, I was thinking about buying and installing your reinfordements
brackets, but I have a IV should I measure the hardware to make sure they
fit? Is the IV beefed up over the 2 and 3? Just let me know what I should
do.
Jim N94JE IV-1200
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> I have not tried them on the IV.. The tubing diameter is a different size
> so
> I doubt they would work. :(
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
> John, will these work on the model IV?
>
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net<mailto:jdmcbean@cableone.net>>
>
> Try
>
http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%20Products.htm<http://sportplanellc.com/Misc%2
> 0Products.htm>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
>
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matro
> nics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal reinforcements
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>
>
> While browsing Sportflight.com, our photo archive, I ran across some
> rudder
> pedal reinforcements by Nelson Goguen. Very nice and appears to doable
> without having to remove the pedal assemblies. Nelson, if you're out
> there
> can you tell us more about them please? Did you make them yourself or
> find
> them aftermarket?
> Deke
>
>
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| Subject: | 6.00 x 6 Tire recommendations |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Dear List,
What make and model 6.00 x 6 tire do you recommend for paved runways
with wheel pants?
I would like something smaller and lighter than the 6.00 x 6, 4 ply
McCreary "Air Hawk" I just bought. -Duane thanks for your earlier reply
on the size.
Robert N200KF San Diego
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| Subject: | EAA NW Arlington Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
The EAA NW Fly-In, in conjunction with the Washinton Seaplane Pilot's
Association is holding it's first ever Splash-In July 7 - 9 at Lake Goodwin
Resort www.lakegoodwinresort.com , located just 7 miles from Arlington
airport. A limited number of camping sites and cabins are available so you
can sleep with your plane and transportation to and from Arlington airport
will be available. Moorage is limited, but locally based seaplane pilots are
working to provide additional dock space for overflow. If you would like to
get involved in making this first ever event take place, please contact me.
Joel Mapes
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| Subject: | Fiberglassing tips? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I need to do some mods to my fiberglass motorcycle bodywork. I want to shape
some streamlined bumps on the surface for various protrusions. I have some
fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin I bought from Tap Plastics. My question is
what kind of foam can I use to the shaping and then easily remove it,
possibly by dissolving it out?
Thanks
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Michel,
Describing turbulence is very difficult..
One pilot's light chop is another's moderate-to-severe. Perception varies
with aircraft weight, type, and speed. A large, heavy, fast plane with high
wing loading has inertia in its corner and will be less disturbed by a given
bump than will a small, slow, lightly laden machine.
According to the AIM, if occupants feel a slight strain against their seat
belts and there is a slight, erratic change in aircraft altitude or
attitude, it is "light" turbulence. But what might be light turbulence to
the pilots of a 747 could be moderate to severe to the occupants of a
four-place single, who might feel definite strains against their seat belts
and have loose objects dislodged (moderate), or who may be forced violently
against their belts and experience large, abrupt changes in aircraft
altitude or attitude.
Turbulence may also be reported as occasional, intermittent, or continuous,
corresponding to less than 1/3, more than 1/3, or more than 2/3 of the time.
Turbulence also comes in two reportable varieties: Normal turbulence is a
dose of the shakes; chop is bumpy and rhythmic, akin to a speedboat skimming
across a rough lake. UDDF is a corollary comment, standing for "strong
up-and-down drafts." Make it quantitative if you must: "2000 FPM UDDF."
The definition according to the Aeronautical Information Manual.. AIM 7-1-24
Light: Turbulence that momentarily causes slight, erratic changes in
altitude and/or attitude (pitch, roll, yaw). Report as Light Turbulence or
Turbulence that causes slight, rapid and somewhat rhythmic bumpiness without
appreciable changes in altitude or attitude. Report as Light Chop.
Occupants may feel a slight strain against seat belts or shoulder straps.
Unsecured objects may be displaced slightly. Food service may be conducted
and little or no difficulty is encountered in walking.
Moderate: Turbulence that is similar to Light Turbulence but of greater
intensity. Changes in altitude and/or attitude occur but the aircraft
remains in positive control at all times. It usually causes variations in
indicated airspeed. Report as Moderate Turbulence or Turbulence that is
similar to Light Chop but of greater intensity. It causes rapid bumps or
jolts without appreciable changes in aircraft altitude or attitude. Report
as Moderate Chop.
Occupants feel definite strains against seat belts or shoulder straps.
Unsecured objects are dislodged. Food service and walking are difficult.
(Walking not an option in a Fox)
Severe: Turbulence that causes large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or
attitude. It usually causes large variations in indicated airspeed. Aircraft
may be momentarily out of control. Report as Severe Turbulence.
Occupants are forced violently against seat belts or shoulder straps.
Unsecured objects are tossed about. Food Service and walking are impossible.
Extreme: Turbulence in which the aircraft is violently tossed about and is
practically impossible to control. It may cause structural damage. Report as
Extreme Turbulence.
High level turbulence (normally above 15,000 feet ASL) not associated with
cumuliform cloudiness, including thunderstorms, should be reported as CAT
(clear air turbulence) preceded by the appropriate intensity, or light or
moderate chop.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise vs. Vne speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you, Graeme, Jim, Andrew, Ron and Rex, for your answers.
For the cruise speed, on the Jabiru list, someone was asking for the
performance of a Jabiru 2200 (that's your answer, Andrew) on a draggy
plane similar to a Kitfox or Avid Flyer. Several answered and the
person was puzzled that it may vary from 80 MPH (my cruise speed) to
122 MPH (one reported by a friend Kitfox 2 owner). I agree with you,
it must be exaggerated or, the owner has a special model 2 and likes
fast cruising! :-)
For the Va speed, I understand that it is a matter of comfort and that,
when in turbulent air, Vne is quickly exceeded as both vertical and
indicated speed needles move fast in all directions. But, I remember
that I once sailed into a French harbour to hear French yachtsmen who
had just arrived before me, talking about sailing in a storm ... when I
would have called it a moderate gale. It's all in the observator's eye.
As a novice pilot, any turbulence is a bit scary and I was wondering
what is real bad stuff that needs to stay at Va to avoid structural
damages. Do I have to loose my denture, wig and glass eye, to call it
significant turbulence? So far, the worse I have experienced is a short
moment when I felt my feet lifted from the floor ... it must have been
negative Gs. Is that "bad turbulence" or ... "moderate gale?"
I also like Rod Machado's saying: "Turbulence are like waves at sea,
only that you don't see them ... and that's what horror movies are made
of!" :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
I believe there is a Vne issue with the model III and earlier Kitfoxes because
the wings are not rib stitched.
I have some memory (?) of there being something from the FAA limiting Vne to 100
mph if the fabric on the wings is only held with glue.
John Stoner
KFIII, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Water Pressure Gauge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Larry,
yes I've always had a water pressure gauge with my 582. The pressure
rises very quickly after starting before water temp starts to rise. It's
a good indication that you don't have huge air pockets in the system and that
the presure cap is right and you have no leaks. I think a lot of guys with early
582's for some reason had these various problems and a pressure gauge could
certainly warn them. Yes I like my gauge and think it is worthwhile.
Rex.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Robert,
A turbo tax programmer! I am impressed. That is neat software. A great
use of computers.
I haven't been brave enough to try it on my taxes yet (I think they are too
compex) but I have been using it for years for my folks taxes.
Pretty neat! Thanks!
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Tax Deduction for BK tRE: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
The deposits you lost can be written off as a non-business bad debt. It
will be a short term capital loss subject to the capital loss
limitations which will be reported on your 2006 Schedule D. Attach a
statement to your 2006 tax return that explains that you made deposits
with Skystar but they filed bankruptcy. Include the dates and amounts of
your deposits and Skystar's Employer identification and bankruptcy
information.
If you get reimbursed in a later year then you will need to claim it as
income in the year received
Robert
Model V N200KF
San Diego
Tax Accountant/TurboTax Programmer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Technically it is a loss and therefore should be deductable.. But I am
no
Tax accountant.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greaves
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tax deduction
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
Anyone out there who has taken a big hit financially as a result of
Skystar's Chapter 7 examined the tax implications?
I got nailed since I didn't get my engine and a number of other parts.
Does
anyone know if one can deduct the financial loss somehow when filing
this
year with the IRS? Perhaps we have to wait until eternity for the
bankruptcy crud to officially be over so see if we get a dime from
Skyscrew
before claiming it as some form of 'loss'....
Wade
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| Subject: | Water Pressure Gauge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Rex,
What pressure gauge are you using?
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Water Pressure Gauge
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Larry,
yes I've always had a water pressure gauge with my 582. The
pressure rises very quickly after starting before water temp starts to rise.
It's a good indication that you don't have huge air pockets in the system
and that the presure cap is right and you have no leaks. I think a lot of
guys with early 582's for some reason had these various problems and a
pressure gauge could certainly warn them. Yes I like my gauge and think it
is worthwhile.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Skystar SB'd the Model 2 to 90mph, due to a couple flutter incidents. I
think this was raised to 100 once the dual counter-weights are installed.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcaofak
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
I believe there is a Vne issue with the model III and earlier Kitfoxes
because the wings are not rib stitched.
I have some memory (?) of there being something from the FAA limiting Vne to
100 mph if the fabric on the wings is only held with glue.
John Stoner
KFIII, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglassing tips? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Don,
A/C Spruce and specilityy sells this two part expandable foam. When your
layup is complete you can dig it out or rough sand it out. Buy the smallest
quality, it goes a very long way. Some protrusions you can just do a layup
over the protrusion and feather it in using a light filler. Jeff Classic IV.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglassing tips?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I need to do some mods to my fiberglass motorcycle bodywork. I want to
> shape
> some streamlined bumps on the surface for various protrusions. I have some
> fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin I bought from Tap Plastics. My question
> is
> what kind of foam can I use to the shaping and then easily remove it,
> possibly by dissolving it out?
>
> Thanks
> Don Pearsall
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Water Pressure Gauge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Rex,
I would like to know the location of your water pressure senser. Any chance
of a picture of it?
Thanks, Ron N55KF
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Rex,
What pressure gauge are you using?
Bradley
Hi ! Larry,
yes I've always had a water pressure gauge with my 582. The
pressure rises very quickly after starting before water temp starts to
rise.
It's a good indication that you don't have huge air pockets in the system
and that the presure cap is right and you have no leaks. I think a lot of
guys with early 582's for some reason had these various problems and a
pressure gauge could certainly warn them. Yes I like my gauge and think it
is worthwhile.
Rex.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglassing tips? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, Don,
There are lots of ways to accomplish what you want to do. As to the foam
question, I am not up on what ACS has available now, as my foam experience
was in the 90's while I was building. I had one foam that was so soft that
brushing on the "tack" coat of resin removed the top layer of foam - way too
soft. I'd suggest a medium wt. foam if you decide to go that way.
With the Epoxy any foam that you can shape will work. Scrap Styrofoam from
a packing carton would work if it can be filed and sanded. Styrofoam will
not work with Polyester resin as the resin will dissolve it.
One thing I learned in the Lancair project - the Dremel tool is probably the
most often used tool in the project. We use thin diamond wheels to cut the
cured carbon fiber and glass lay-ups to shape and the round sanding drums
are used frequently for fairing and shaping. This little puppy is
absolutely indispensible with glass work IMHO.
Another method if your faired mods are fairly small:
On the Lancair, we needed a bubble on the baggage floor to clear the
hydraulic pump that was mounted below it and I cut a hole in the floor,
clearing the pump and made a small build up of Micro - microballoons and
resin - around the hole sort of like an initial fairing to the bubble. My
plan was to lay up two or three layers of glass / resin and and then turn
the floor board upside down and have the layers of glass gravity sag into
the shape I needed. Surprise! The resin stood up even in the up position
and I was able to shape it as I wanted it and there it stayed. It came out
really nice. It will be covered with carpet so a nice faired surface was
not necessary.
One trick we use all the time on the Lancair: Cut the glass to shape - as
many pieces as you need for the lay-up making sure you have about an inch
overlap. (A cookie cutter like, cutter works great, they are available at
yardage shops.) Cut the glass on a bias so the long axis of the repair is
not in line with the glass fibers. This helps with compound curves. Lay
the first piece of cloth on a sheet of thin plastic - 2 mil or so and at
least two inches larger than the glass cloth. Pour the resin on the glass
from the mixing cup. Spread it around and when saturated, put on the second
piece of glass. Add a little more resin if needed and then add the third
piece of glass. When all the glass is saturated, put another piece of the 2
mil on top and using a plastic squeegee or roller - we find a squeetee works
best - work all the resin that you can from the center to and slightly
beyond the edge of the cloth. This way you have removed all excess resin -
the excess should still be between the layers of 2 mil. A trick is to now
cut the 2 mil around the glass with the cookie cutter, leaving the excess
resin in the cut off part. Peel off one layer of the 2 mil and now you have
a handle to move the lay-up to your motorcycle part. Lay it on the hole,
resin side against the original, part and tamp it in place around the edge
with a dryish brush. Remove the top layer of 2 mil and shape the bubble
with the brush to get the shape you want and to work out bubbles that might
be in the bond area. In Lancair talk this would be referred to as a "three
BID" lay-up We do one BIDs, two BIDs up to 6 BIDs depending on the
structural needs. I think BID stands for Bi Directional. meaning the cloth
has identical fiber counts long ways and sideways.
You might find there will be less finishing if you put the glass patch on
the inside and work the bubble out through the hole. This way you won't have
to fair in the bonding flange. On my project, I put the patch on the top
side, then after curing, I trimmed the underside edge of the floorboard to a
smooth junction and then put one layer of glass on the bottom sort of
sandwiching the edge of the original panel.
Scuff sand the original surface well and if you work from the inside, bevel
the edge to give a closer fit. Vacuum off the sanding dust and clean with
Acetone. Also before you apply the new glass brush on a thin tack layer of
the resin in the bonding area otherwise the resin in the glass might be too
scarce to get a good bond.
If you work from the inside with the multiple layer, a single layer of cloth
on the outside will be easier to fair out then multiple layers on the
outside. Fairing is done with microballoons (also available from TAP) mixed
into the resin to a peanut butter consistency. I like to use a single edge
razor blade for the final fairing as it will fill low spots without adding a
lot of new micro to sand off. A single edge razor blade can also be bent to
accommodate curved surfaces - use gloves.
Also using the foamless method it might ba possoble to put the fiberglass
part on the motorcycle to see if everything fits.
Other methods might be to use a variation of the foam and direct method by
using thin transparent packing tape as a bond release. Put the tape around
the hole on the bonding surface. Make the bubble fairing on the tape and
after curing remove it. Trim it to shape, cleco it in place for trial fit
and if everything is OK, bond it in place with structural adhesve or resin
mixed with cotton flox. Then fair it in with the micro. If you use
cleco's to hold it while curing, run the drill through the holes to remove
most of the resin/flox or adhesive before inserting the cleco or you might
render the clecos unusable. You can get them out but they won't spring well
in future use. Small sheet metal screws work also.
I know that sometimes explaining something like this just invites confusion.
So if any part is not clear drop a note.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglassing tips?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I need to do some mods to my fiberglass motorcycle bodywork. I want to
> shape
> some streamlined bumps on the surface for various protrusions. I have some
> fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin I bought from Tap Plastics. My question
> is
> what kind of foam can I use to the shaping and then easily remove it,
> possibly by dissolving it out?
>
> Thanks
> Don Pearsall
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
As I recall adding the counter weights was a result of an incident in the UK where
the flapperons came off in flight. I had not heard of the rib stitching that
John mentions. Both valid points but would like to know more if someone could
add anything here????
Dee
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bradley M Webb<mailto:bmwebb@cox.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net<mailto:bmwebb@cox.net>>
Skystar SB'd the Model 2 to 90mph, due to a couple flutter incidents. I
think this was raised to 100 once the dual counter-weights are installed.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcaofak
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:30 PM
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com<mailto:Kitfox-List@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net<mailto:dcaofak@acsalaska.net>>
I believe there is a Vne issue with the model III and earlier Kitfoxes
because the wings are not rib stitched.
I have some memory (?) of there being something from the FAA limiting Vne to
100 mph if the fabric on the wings is only held with glue.
John Stoner
KFIII, 582
Alaska
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, John,
It has been always my understanding that the VNE in the earlier Kitfoxes was
at least in part a windsheld issue. I have a model IV and the VNE is 125
mph. I believe that the Speedster - thicker windshield with clipped wings
has a VNE of 135 mph. Rib stitching was not part of my building
instructions, but due to list influence, I did rib stitch mine. The one
inch capstrips are pretty unique to our class of airplanes and the factory
determined that with those wide capstrips rib stitching was not necessary.
There have been tons of discussion on the list and opinions on ribstitching
are many. In fact the subject of false ribs have come up on the list lately
and brought up a question of my own.
Has anyone rib stitched the false ribs - the upper ones most specifically.
I did not.
Also when replacing my windshield, I stuck with the thin lexan. It does
move a bit getting close to VNE, but I have seen it so much that It really
doesn't bother me. I must have had 500 hours on the original and changed it
out because I finally got tired of looking at a big scratch I put on it
while building. Also the thinner Lexan is a bit more flexible - obviously -
and moves around the top corner a bit easier.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cruise vs. Vne speed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcaofak" <dcaofak@acsalaska.net>
>
> I believe there is a Vne issue with the model III and earlier Kitfoxes
> because the wings are not rib stitched.
> I have some memory (?) of there being something from the FAA limiting Vne
> to 100 mph if the fabric on the wings is only held with glue.
> John Stoner
> KFIII, 582
> Alaska
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
I am looking for the patters or who to contact for the tail feather ribs
Howie,
I have a classic IV and purchased the ribs for the vert & horizontal
stab. I have not installed them yet, so it wouldn't be much trouble to
trace out a copy of the ribs for you. There are also a few other parts that
you will need to make (fiberglass top cap for the vert stab and a convex and
concave part fot the vert stab also. I could e-mail you a couple of
pictures to show you what I mean and if your interested, I could snail mail
you the patterns for the ribs (made of 3mm ply). I've done this for a
couple of other people already. I haven't made a dime off of this, I just
like to help out if I can. Let me know if you're interested. Be patient if
it takes me a couple of days to get back with you. I have 5 foster kids
that consume most of my time (which is why the plane will probably never get
finished). Anyone out there interested in a Classic IV? I'm the 2nd owner.
It's on the landing gear, and a lot of the controls are already built. I
have a lot of extras also (even a Mosler VW converted engine. I would
really love to build the plane, but I have to put these kids first. Some of
them come with stories that would break your heart. Someday I WILL build a
plane, but this just doesn't seem to be the time. Anyone interested in the
tailfeather ribs can contact me and I'll make you up some templates.
Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Bill it is unfortunate that you cannot find the time to finish your plane.
Perhaps the kids are what it's really all about. I hope you are getting
rides in some plane at least. Where are you located?
Ron NB Oregon
>From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ribs,Tail Feathers
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:44:10 -0500
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> I would really love to build the plane, but I have to put these kids
>first. Some of
>them come with stories that would break your heart. Someday I WILL build a
>plane, but this just doesn't seem to be the time. Anyone interested in the
>tailfeather ribs can contact me and I'll make you up some templates.
>Bill
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Wow, Thanks much Lowell and Jeff. Lowell, you provided a textbook worth of
tips! I appreciate all the time you spent explaining the process. I will try
to do the bubbles using your foamless method. Thanks again!
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fiberglassing tips?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, Don,
There are lots of ways to accomplish what you want to do. As to the foam
question, I am not up on what ACS has available now, as my foam experience
was in the 90's while I was building. I had one foam that was so soft that
brushing on the "tack" coat of resin removed the top layer of foam - way too
soft. I'd suggest a medium wt. foam if you decide to go that way.
With the Epoxy any foam that you can shape will work. Scrap Styrofoam from
a packing carton would work if it can be filed and sanded. Styrofoam will
not work with Polyester resin as the resin will dissolve it.
One thing I learned in the Lancair project - the Dremel tool is probably the
most often used tool in the project. We use thin diamond wheels to cut the
cured carbon fiber and glass lay-ups to shape and the round sanding drums
are used frequently for fairing and shaping. This little puppy is
absolutely indispensible with glass work IMHO.
Another method if your faired mods are fairly small:
On the Lancair, we needed a bubble on the baggage floor to clear the
hydraulic pump that was mounted below it and I cut a hole in the floor,
clearing the pump and made a small build up of Micro - microballoons and
resin - around the hole sort of like an initial fairing to the bubble. My
plan was to lay up two or three layers of glass / resin and and then turn
the floor board upside down and have the layers of glass gravity sag into
the shape I needed. Surprise! The resin stood up even in the up position
and I was able to shape it as I wanted it and there it stayed. It came out
really nice. It will be covered with carpet so a nice faired surface was
not necessary.
One trick we use all the time on the Lancair: Cut the glass to shape - as
many pieces as you need for the lay-up making sure you have about an inch
overlap. (A cookie cutter like, cutter works great, they are available at
yardage shops.) Cut the glass on a bias so the long axis of the repair is
not in line with the glass fibers. This helps with compound curves. Lay
the first piece of cloth on a sheet of thin plastic - 2 mil or so and at
least two inches larger than the glass cloth. Pour the resin on the glass
from the mixing cup. Spread it around and when saturated, put on the second
piece of glass. Add a little more resin if needed and then add the third
piece of glass. When all the glass is saturated, put another piece of the 2
mil on top and using a plastic squeegee or roller - we find a squeetee works
best - work all the resin that you can from the center to and slightly
beyond the edge of the cloth. This way you have removed all excess resin -
the excess should still be between the layers of 2 mil. A trick is to now
cut the 2 mil around the glass with the cookie cutter, leaving the excess
resin in the cut off part. Peel off one layer of the 2 mil and now you have
a handle to move the lay-up to your motorcycle part. Lay it on the hole,
resin side against the original, part and tamp it in place around the edge
with a dryish brush. Remove the top layer of 2 mil and shape the bubble
with the brush to get the shape you want and to work out bubbles that might
be in the bond area. In Lancair talk this would be referred to as a "three
BID" lay-up We do one BIDs, two BIDs up to 6 BIDs depending on the
structural needs. I think BID stands for Bi Directional. meaning the cloth
has identical fiber counts long ways and sideways.
You might find there will be less finishing if you put the glass patch on
the inside and work the bubble out through the hole. This way you won't have
to fair in the bonding flange. On my project, I put the patch on the top
side, then after curing, I trimmed the underside edge of the floorboard to a
smooth junction and then put one layer of glass on the bottom sort of
sandwiching the edge of the original panel.
Scuff sand the original surface well and if you work from the inside, bevel
the edge to give a closer fit. Vacuum off the sanding dust and clean with
Acetone. Also before you apply the new glass brush on a thin tack layer of
the resin in the bonding area otherwise the resin in the glass might be too
scarce to get a good bond.
If you work from the inside with the multiple layer, a single layer of cloth
on the outside will be easier to fair out then multiple layers on the
outside. Fairing is done with microballoons (also available from TAP) mixed
into the resin to a peanut butter consistency. I like to use a single edge
razor blade for the final fairing as it will fill low spots without adding a
lot of new micro to sand off. A single edge razor blade can also be bent to
accommodate curved surfaces - use gloves.
Also using the foamless method it might ba possoble to put the fiberglass
part on the motorcycle to see if everything fits.
Other methods might be to use a variation of the foam and direct method by
using thin transparent packing tape as a bond release. Put the tape around
the hole on the bonding surface. Make the bubble fairing on the tape and
after curing remove it. Trim it to shape, cleco it in place for trial fit
and if everything is OK, bond it in place with structural adhesve or resin
mixed with cotton flox. Then fair it in with the micro. If you use
cleco's to hold it while curing, run the drill through the holes to remove
most of the resin/flox or adhesive before inserting the cleco or you might
render the clecos unusable. You can get them out but they won't spring well
in future use. Small sheet metal screws work also.
I know that sometimes explaining something like this just invites confusion.
So if any part is not clear drop a note.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglassing tips?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I need to do some mods to my fiberglass motorcycle bodywork. I want to
> shape
> some streamlined bumps on the surface for various protrusions. I have some
> fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin I bought from Tap Plastics. My question
> is
> what kind of foam can I use to the shaping and then easily remove it,
> possibly by dissolving it out?
>
> Thanks
> Don Pearsall
>
>
>
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