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1. 03:48 AM - Tailplane Rib Template files (batch 1) posted (Colin Durey)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers (DC91840@aol.com)
3. 05:52 AM - 912S Rough running problems (Kerry Skyring)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Orange peeling (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Orange peeling (JeffFowler@aol.com)
6. 07:07 AM - SV: Orange peeling (Michel Verheughe)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Orange peeling (Marco Menezes)
8. 07:53 AM - Orange peeling (ron schick)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: Orange peeling (Richard Rabbers)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: 912S Rough running problems (jdmcbean)
11. 09:11 AM - Orange peeling - Imron (Jose M. Toro)
12. 09:18 AM - Re: Header Tank (Bill Bowen)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Orange peeling (Lynn Matteson)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: rudder pedal help for type 5 (alnanarthur)
15. 09:56 AM - calculating Va (alnanarthur)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: rudder pedal help for type 5 (Rueb, Duane)
17. 12:12 PM - Re: calculating Va (Michel Verheughe)
18. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Orange peeling (Marco Menezes)
19. 12:57 PM - Re: Orange peeling (Marco Menezes)
20. 01:40 PM - Re: Orange peeling (Lynn Matteson)
21. 01:59 PM - Re: Water Pressure Gauge (Rex)
22. 02:03 PM - Re: 912S Rough running problems (Kerry Skyring)
23. 02:05 PM - Re: Orange peeling (Richard Rabbers)
24. 02:28 PM - Re: Orange peeling - Imron-NOT (ron schick)
25. 03:24 PM - Brake and Rudder Pedals (Rex Shaw)
26. 03:24 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/18/06 (jboatm16@netzero.net)
27. 03:30 PM - Re: calculating Va (kurt schrader)
28. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/18/06 (Don Pearsall)
29. 06:14 PM - Re: calculating Va (Bradley M Webb)
30. 06:55 PM - Re: Orange peeling (Glenn Horne)
31. 06:55 PM - Re: Idle adjust on 582 (Tc9008@aol.com)
32. 06:57 PM - Re: Orange peeling (Glenn Horne)
33. 07:00 PM - Re: Orange peeling - Imron (Glenn Horne)
34. 08:49 PM - Re: Kitfox model IV rubber reinforcements (Mr NELSON GOGUEN)
35. 09:45 PM - Re: 912S Rough running problems (James Shumaker)
36. 10:54 PM - Flaperon Horns (Michael Gibbs)
37. 11:32 PM - Official Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
38. 11:38 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Tailplane Rib Template files (batch 1) posted |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Hi folks,
For those who are interested, I just uploaded the rib template drawings
for the Vertical Fin and the Rudder to Sportsflight. They are listed under
"Building Process".
The files are in Autocad .dwg format, and the sheets are A1 in size.
I will try to convert to .pdf over the next few days, and will post these
to the same location, but can't give any guarantees on this. As I get a
chance during the next week, I'll do the same with the horizontal
stabiliser and elevator ribs.
I will also post a few photos of what I have done with them, and how I
constructed the trailing edge of the V/Fin and the leading edge of the
Rudder. Any constructive criticism, along with effusive praise, would be
welcome.
Regards
Colin Durey
Sydney
+61-418-677073 (M)
+61-2-945466162 (F)
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| Subject: | Re: Ribs,Tail Feathers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2006 11:15:52 AM Central Standard Time,
bill77@cox.net writes:
bill77@cox.net
Bill:
I am interested in your Classic IV. Contact me at dc91840@aol.com
Thanks
Don C.
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| Subject: | 912S Rough running problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Turning to the list for some help. Have just had a call from the airfield
where I am told our beautiful S5 912S has had air under its wings for the
first time. Just low runs along the runway. I am tied to my desk so can't be
there.
I will try and explain the problem as it was explained to me (in German) and
see if anyone has some ideas that might quickly lead us to the problem.
Engine seems to run fine until the auxiliary Facet electric fuel pump is
turned on when it appears to become over rich and run rough. But it doesn't
happen immediately, just by the end of a high speed run along the runway.
Fuel system is according to plans apart from the Facet pump near the header
tank. Thoughts are..
1. the return fuel line to the header tank may be restrictive . i.e. not
large enough outlet
2. Just too much fuel pressure.
Any thoughts on what we should look for?
Kerry
Kitfox builders helper
And yes I am excited about the approaching first flight and will post
details when it happens.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Marco-
Is it really Stits you are using or Poly-Fiber? If it says Stits on the
can it may be old stuff. Are you sure about the Xylene for reducing
Poly-Fiber Enamel? I know that the P-F Enamel reducer that I have says
"contains Xylene", but maybe they put a little orange peel eliminator
in the P-F Enamel Reducer, and don't say so. I might be a sucker for
the "brand name" stuff, but I did not have a problem with any of my
painting...over fabric with Poly-Tone, or over fiberglass, metal, etc.,
with P-F Enamel, using the P-F suggested products. And did you first
use EP-420 Epoxy Primer to prime the fiberglass? If you want to call an
expert, try Jim Miller at 1-877-877-3334...he's my guru for all things
paintable, and a Poly-Fiber dealer.... www.poly-fiber.com/
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 05:35 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey List:
>
> I'm having a terrible time spray painting Stitts enamel on
> fiberglass cargo pod. Keep getting that "orange peel" effect. Thinned
> 5 to 1 with reducer as suggested on can, same problem. Is temperature
> critical? Equipment? I'm tired of sanding and pod is amost a quart
> heavier now. Any advice appreciated.
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: JeffFowler@aol.com
In a message dated 3/1/2006 2:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
Thanks Lowell and Ron. I'll mess with those variables and see what happens.
I'm not using Aerothane on the pod. Poly Fiber Enamel (single stage?) was
recommended for fiberglass. Reduces with Xylene. If I can't get smooth finish
with next coat, i'll try wet sanding to a gloss or if really fed up, take pod
and what's left of quart to local autobody shop. Too cold to paint outside and
wife justifiably complaining about me stinkin up the basement
Hello Marco
I'm new to the list and, while not having worked with the brand of enamel
you are using, I noticed some clues you put in this reply that might be a
small part of the problem. Not enough ventilation where you are painting will
mean that overspray will get back on what you are painting and cause "some"
orange peel. Try to paint in an area that is between 70 and 84 degrees. Spraying
technique has a lot to do with this problem too. What type of spraying setup
do you have? There will always be a tiney amount of orange peel effect. Look
at the surface of a new car closely in the sun. Just a few thoughts. I don't
own a full scale airplane. I joined this board because I got some plans for a
quarter scale Kitfox IV and the backround comments will help me detail it out
when I build it.
Till Next Time,
Jeff
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Marco Menezes [msm_9949@yahoo.com]
> Keep getting that "orange peel" effect.
Marco, I have seen a yachtsman obtaining a very nice hull gloss - without using
a spray gun - with this product:
http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/product_guide/finishes_undercoats/US_perfection.asp
It's polyurethane and you apply it with a roller and a brush. I haven't tried it
myself, though.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Lynn:
It's a new can of Poly-Fiber enamel, thinned with new PF enamel reducer. Did
not use epoxy primer first. My reading suggested it wan't really necessary on
fiberglass that was first sanded to give some "tooth." Put another coat on this
am with so-so result. I'm beginning to think it's my spray technique that's
the problem.
Marco
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
Marco-
Is it really Stits you are using or Poly-Fiber? If it says Stits on the
can it may be old stuff. Are you sure about the Xylene for reducing
Poly-Fiber Enamel? I know that the P-F Enamel reducer that I have says
"contains Xylene", but maybe they put a little orange peel eliminator
in the P-F Enamel Reducer, and don't say so. I might be a sucker for
the "brand name" stuff, but I did not have a problem with any of my
painting...over fabric with Poly-Tone, or over fiberglass, metal, etc.,
with P-F Enamel, using the P-F suggested products. And did you first
use EP-420 Epoxy Primer to prime the fiberglass? If you want to call an
expert, try Jim Miller at 1-877-877-3334...he's my guru for all things
paintable, and a Poly-Fiber dealer.... www.poly-fiber.com/
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 05:35 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>
> Hey List:
>
> I'm having a terrible time spray painting Stitts enamel on
> fiberglass cargo pod. Keep getting that "orange peel" effect. Thinned
> 5 to 1 with reducer as suggested on can, same problem. Is temperature
> critical? Equipment? I'm tired of sanding and pod is amost a quart
> heavier now. Any advice appreciated.
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I sold dupont automotive paint to body shops and the public for three years.
Many amatuers had a hard time following directions or using the right
tools/ technique. Some used laquer primer with fast laquer thinner from the
hardware store. This usually dried to cobwebs before it hit the car. One
solution was to hold the gun really close to the work (or use slower
thinner). Others thought they could take a half hour to put one coat on a
car. I can put a coat on a small car in about 5 minutes which allows the
paint to flow into the starting point instead of overlapping on dry.
Anywhere the paint dries before the next amount hits will not flow and
become orange peel. I have painted bare fiberglass with single stage
enamels and the main problem I have are pinholes that I had missed in
repairs.
It sounds as though you have plenty of paint on to wet sand so try it and
see. Ron NB Ore.
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Marco,
I look forward to sharing flight with you some day since Im located just a bit
south of you in Michigan.
I considered contacting you offline but decided I may as well share my thoughts
with the list.
I've got a Model 1 - in restoration. I'm not actively painting but have done a
lot of spraying in the past.
List members are contributing very good info I dont want to add clutter to the
list.
My message is that practice makes perfect.
The line between too much paint and too little paint is the challenge as I see
it. Spray tip and adjustment of spray patterns, etc. best done on a board - get
happy before you start painting your part.
Monitoring the wet edge, keeping paint thickness consistent, not too much, not
too little.
After proper solvents, appropriate thinning, priming and surface prep comes technique.
Practice with some cheap paint on the sidelines until you get comfortable.
Keep in mind that paint types act differently so adjustments will need to be made,
mostly related to drying times (due to solvents, temperatures, etc.)
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18744#18744
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| Subject: | 912S Rough running problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Kerry,
Turn off the pump.. It is not a required item on the 912S. If the
mechanical pump failed then I may try it.. only if needed..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Skyring
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Rough running problems
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Turning to the list for some help. Have just had a call from the airfield
where I am told our beautiful S5 912S has had air under its wings for the
first time. Just low runs along the runway. I am tied to my desk so can't be
there.
I will try and explain the problem as it was explained to me (in German) and
see if anyone has some ideas that might quickly lead us to the problem.
Engine seems to run fine until the auxiliary Facet electric fuel pump is
turned on when it appears to become over rich and run rough. But it doesn't
happen immediately, just by the end of a high speed run along the runway.
Fuel system is according to plans apart from the Facet pump near the header
tank. Thoughts are..
1. the return fuel line to the header tank may be restrictive . i.e. not
large enough outlet
2. Just too much fuel pressure.
Any thoughts on what we should look for?
Kerry
Kitfox builders helper
And yes I am excited about the approaching first flight and will post
details when it happens.
>
>
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| Subject: | Orange peeling - Imron |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Ron:
Do you recommend to use Dupont Imron to paint
polyfiber?
Jose
--- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I sold dupont automotive paint to body shops and the
> public for three years.
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Bowen" <bill.bowen@premierhotel.com>
Does anyone know where to get the rotomold platic header tank that mounts up and
behind seats for a Model 2? This tank replaces the round aluminum cylinder
tank under the instrument panel.
William D. Bowen
Chairman and CEO
Premier Hotel Corporation
2839 Paces Ferry Rd., Suite 560
Atlanta, Georgia 30339
Office 678.842.0633
Cell 229.402.2121
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Marco-
Maybe it's the lack of the epoxy primer that's causing the problem. Be
sure to give Jim Miller a call....he'll know if anyone does, regarding
Poly-Fiber products. The epoxy primer that P-F uses takes a long time
to cure...7 days at 70 degrees F....but that's what they recommend, and
I followed it to a "T" with good results. I can't say that the orange
peel is a result of NOT using the right primer, but the proper
foundation is best to build on.
By the way, where are you in Michigan...upper or lower? Answer to my
email address if you'd like.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> It's a new can of Poly-Fiber enamel, thinned with new PF enamel
> reducer. Did not use epoxy primer first. My reading suggested it wan't
> really necessary on fiberglass that was first sanded to give some
> "tooth." Put another coat on this am with so-so result. I'm beginning
> to think it's my spray technique that's the problem.
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal help for type 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: alnanarthur <alnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>
Duane,
I attached a 1/2 inch thick , one inch wide wood block across the
bottom of my rudder
pedals. It works well for me.
Allan Arthur
Kitfox 5, N40AA
Rotax 912s, Warpdrive 3 blade
Byron Airport (C83) Hanger C8
On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals
> on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder
> function without inadvertently using brake. I find that it is very
> difficult to do so. Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they
> can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact
> the
> top and apply brake even when this is not desired. Only by
> concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the
> pedal, can
> brake be avoided.
> I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the
> foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.
> Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve
> this problem? Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?
>
> Duane Rueb
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: alnanarthur <alnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
Here is how I arrived at Va for my series 5.
Just above stall (45 mph) the aircraft is sustaining one g in level
flight.
Lift goes up as V squared, therefore at 90 mph at increased angle of
attack due
to turbulence the aircraft can be subjected to 4 g's. The stress
limit for standard
catagory aircraft is 3.8 g. My Va "rule of thumb" is twice stall.
At 135 mph, turbulence could subject the aircraft to 9 g's. That
could be serious.
I believe that the series 5 was designed for 6 g ultimate.
Also as the aircraft is more lightly loaded. Va should be reduced.
Allan Arthur
Kitfox 5, N40AA
Rotax 912s, Warpdrive 3 blade
Byron Airport (C83) Hanger C8
>
> For the Va speed, I understand that it is a matter of comfort and
> that,
> when in turbulent air, Vne is quickly exceeded as both vertical and
> indicated speed needles move fast in all directions. But, I remember
> that I once sailed into a French harbour to hear French yachtsmen who
> had just arrived before me, talking about sailing in a storm ...
> when I
> would have called it a moderate gale. It's all in the observator's
> eye.
> As a novice pilot, any turbulence is a bit scary and I was wondering
> what is real bad stuff that needs to stay at Va to avoid structural
> damages. Do I have to loose my denture, wig and glass eye, to call it
> significant turbulence? So far, the worse I have experienced is a
> short
> moment when I felt my feet lifted from the floor ... it must have been
> negative Gs. Is that "bad turbulence" or ... "moderate gale?"
>
> I also like Rod Machado's saying: "Turbulence are like waves at sea,
> only that you don't see them ... and that's what horror movies are
> made
> of!" :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | rudder pedal help for type 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Dear Allan:
Thank you very much for the info. I was guessing that 1/2 inch height
might be about right, and with a 1 inch width it seems that it should.
I may use a bent up sheet metal design, but a block of wood is also a
good solution, so thanks again.
Duane, K-5
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alnanarthur
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rudder pedal help for type 5
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: alnanarthur
<alnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>
Duane,
I attached a 1/2 inch thick , one inch wide wood block across the
bottom of my rudder
pedals. It works well for me.
Allan Arthur
Kitfox 5, N40AA
Rotax 912s, Warpdrive 3 blade
Byron Airport (C83) Hanger C8
On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals
> on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder
> function without inadvertently using brake. I find that it is very
> difficult to do so. Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they
> can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact
> the
> top and apply brake even when this is not desired. Only by
> concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the
> pedal, can
> brake be avoided.
> I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the
> foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.
> Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve
> this problem? Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?
>
> Duane Rueb
>
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| Subject: | Re: calculating Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks Jim and Allan,
Yes Jim, turbulence is much depending on the mass and speed of the
aircraft. I usually explain to passengers that my Kitfox is like a
small dinghy on the waves. While it may move more up and down, it is
less of a structural strain than a larger vessel or aircraft.
Allan, my Va is from Denney (I have an old model 3) marked to be 70
MPH, which is, indeed, the speed at which I will stall when Gs exceed
what is structurally safe to fly. But ... I don't have a G-meter and
while Jim gives the description of different turbulence reporting, I
was actually wondering how it feels to have turbulence that needed to
slow down to Va.
Since I understand this is more of a subjective notion, I'd ask then:
How often, any of you has been in turbulence that they estimated to be
structurally dangerous in a way that it requires Va? I know, it's very
subjective but ... some of you may have a G-meter and recorded how it
moved in severe turbulence.
BTW, at sea, I never use a wind speed indicator because, when sailing,
there are only three wind speed: Not enough, enough and too much! And
it's all very subjective, indeed! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Richard and everyone else who responded to my post. Last coat went on Ok
so i'll try to get my finish with some wet sanding.
Say Richard, did you purchase N120DD from guy in Greenville?
Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
Marco,
I look forward to sharing flight with you some day since Im located just a bit
south of you in Michigan.
I considered contacting you offline but decided I may as well share my thoughts
with the list.
I've got a Model 1 - in restoration. I'm not actively painting but have done a
lot of spraying in the past.
List members are contributing very good info I dont want to add clutter to the
list.
My message is that practice makes perfect.
The line between too much paint and too little paint is the challenge as I see
it. Spray tip and adjustment of spray patterns, etc. best done on a board - get
happy before you start painting your part.
Monitoring the wet edge, keeping paint thickness consistent, not too much, not
too little.
After proper solvents, appropriate thinning, priming and surface prep comes technique.
Practice with some cheap paint on the sidelines until you get comfortable.
Keep in mind that paint types act differently so adjustments will need to be made,
mostly related to drying times (due to solvents, temperatures, etc.)
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18744#18744
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hi Lynn.
If my problem was from lack of primer there's nothing i'm gonna do about that
now! I'm about 6nm WSW of Evart (9C8), right under the Hersey MOA. Have to duck
the Warthogs now and again. They always seem to be flying lower than they're
supposed to.
do not archive
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
Marco-
Maybe it's the lack of the epoxy primer that's causing the problem. Be
sure to give Jim Miller a call....he'll know if anyone does, regarding
Poly-Fiber products. The epoxy primer that P-F uses takes a long time
to cure...7 days at 70 degrees F....but that's what they recommend, and
I followed it to a "T" with good results. I can't say that the orange
peel is a result of NOT using the right primer, but the proper
foundation is best to build on.
By the way, where are you in Michigan...upper or lower? Answer to my
email address if you'd like.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>
> Lynn:
>
> It's a new can of Poly-Fiber enamel, thinned with new PF enamel
> reducer. Did not use epoxy primer first. My reading suggested it wan't
> really necessary on fiberglass that was first sanded to give some
> "tooth." Put another coat on this am with so-so result. I'm beginning
> to think it's my spray technique that's the problem.
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Ok, Marco...got you located, about 130-150 miles from me, as "the
Kitfox flies" to butcher an old saying. Heck, I could probably visit
you and Deke, and maybe Richard, all on one fill-up this
summer...yee-haaaaa! oops, sorry...
Lynn
do not archive
On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 03:56 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Lynn.
>
> If my problem was from lack of primer there's nothing i'm gonna do
> about that now! I'm about 6nm WSW of Evart (9C8), right under the
> Hersey MOA. Have to duck the Warthogs now and again. They always seem
> to be flying lower than they're supposed to.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>
> Marco-
> Maybe it's the lack of the epoxy primer that's causing the problem. Be
> sure to give Jim Miller a call....he'll know if anyone does, regarding
> Poly-Fiber products. The epoxy primer that P-F uses takes a long time
> to cure...7 days at 70 degrees F....but that's what they recommend, and
> I followed it to a "T" with good results. I can't say that the orange
> peel is a result of NOT using the right primer, but the proper
> foundation is best to build on.
> By the way, where are you in Michigan...upper or lower? Answer to my
> email address if you'd like.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>>
>> Lynn:
>>
>> It's a new can of Poly-Fiber enamel, thinned with new PF enamel
>> reducer. Did not use epoxy primer first. My reading suggested it wan't
>> really necessary on fiberglass that was first sanded to give some
>> "tooth." Put another coat on this am with so-so result. I'm beginning
>> to think it's my spray technique that's the problem.
>>
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
> Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Water Pressure Gauge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Hey Rex,
Maybe you can do this until you get the technology. Search for the
product online and provide a link:
http://store.summitracing.com/largeimage.asp?part=VDO-310105
This is a Oil temp gage, I could not find a water pressure gage. :-(
Anyway, it's another way to provide a photo ( if it would work.)
Rex
Colorado
Rex Shaw wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>Hi ! Ron and Larry,
> Sorry no picture as I haven't acomplished those skills
yet or got a digital camera. However my gauge is VDO about 1 1/2" in dia.
It reads to 15 lbs and usually runs around 10PSI. The pressure line is taken
out of the firewall end of the head. It is a Bluehead motor and on this one at
least there is a suitable threaded location each end of the head. The front end
goes to a breather line that goes to just below the filler cap mounted up on
the firewall. This is to let any air bubbles out of the water and stop them
lodging in nooks in the block. I hope this is of assistance.
>
Rex.
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Rough running problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Thanks John. Was my first thought too but I am not there with the plane. We
have some pretty experienced Rotax people around the airfield so will keep
you posted on what happens. kerry.
>Kerry,
> Turn off the pump.. It is not a required item on the 912S. If the
>mechanical pump failed then I may try it.. only if needed..
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Skyring
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:50 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Rough running problems
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
><kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
>Turning to the list for some help. Have just had a call from the airfield
>where I am told our beautiful S5 912S has had air under its wings for the
>first time. Just low runs along the runway. I am tied to my desk so can't
>be
>there.
>
>I will try and explain the problem as it was explained to me (in German)
>and
>see if anyone has some ideas that might quickly lead us to the problem.
>
>Engine seems to run fine until the auxiliary Facet electric fuel pump is
>turned on when it appears to become over rich and run rough. But it doesn't
>happen immediately, just by the end of a high speed run along the runway.
>Fuel system is according to plans apart from the Facet pump near the header
>tank. Thoughts are..
>
>1. the return fuel line to the header tank may be restrictive . i.e. not
>large enough outlet
>2. Just too much fuel pressure.
>
>Any thoughts on what we should look for?
>
>Kerry
>Kitfox builders helper
>And yes I am excited about the approaching first flight and will post
>details when it happens.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Hello Marco,
I bought my Model 1 in Tampa Florida in the fall of 2004 and trailered it north
between Hurricanes. The last storm that passed by Tampa area did some damage
to the hanger it was in - about a week after I made my trip north.
The plane in Greenville (sold on Ebay) looked pretty slick. I tried to connect
with the seller - then the buyer, trying to get a copy of a Model 1 builders manual
(still trying to find one) I believe the buyer is from New Hampshire.
regards,
Do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18840#18840
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| Subject: | Orange peeling - Imron-NOT |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Jose goodness no! Imron is expensive and very toxic. It could possibly
make the afore mentioned "lutefisk" out of a Polyfibre base coat. I
generally shoot Dupont Centari or their generic Nasson if I want a single
stage enamel. Inexpensive and easy to cut and rub orange peel or my
trademark run. Metallic colors must be done right as they break through
the translucent paint if wet sanded. Remember I sold paint not sprayed it
proffesionally. Unfortunately I have learned a lot of this the hard way.
Still after painting many metallics I will take a glossy run over a dull
orange peel any day. Now you guys have probably Jinxed me as I will be
painting my wings soon and will surely get a run. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Orange peeling - Imron
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:08:59 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
>Ron:
>
>Do you recommend to use Dupont Imron to paint
>polyfiber?
>
>Jose
>
>--- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> > <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I sold dupont automotive paint to body shops and the
> > public for three years.
> >
>
>Jose M. Toro, P.E.
>Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
>"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Brake and Rudder Pedals |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals
on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder
function without inadvertently using brake. I find that it is very
difficult to do so. Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they
can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact the
top and apply brake even when this is not desired. Only by
concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the pedal, can
brake be avoided.
I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the
foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.
Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve
this problem? Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?
Duane Rueb
Hi ! Duane,
Yes I get the problem in my MKIV. I am over 6 ft tall with long
size 10 feet. What I did is get 5/8" heater hose and slit it open down one side.
You then need to cut out little notches where tubing leaves the horizontal
rudder pedal. This moves your foot a little further away from the brakes. I used
cable ties pulled real tight to hold the rubber in place however they did
tend to move so I finished up using a bit of tie wire at the back of the pedal
to hold the cable ties so they can't move out and off the end. I am thinking
though that contact cement might be worthwhile. This certainly feels better and
does help but is not a complete answer in all honesty. I think I need to also
shorten the brake cylinder rod ends. Rather than mess with the existing ones.
I think I will make new ones slightly shorter so the brake pedal leans a little
forward. By making new ones I can the revert to the originals if required
for any reason at any time. The rubber will stay though as I like it much better
and it stops wearing the powder coating off.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/18/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16@netzero.net" <jboatm16@netzero.net>
Hey my coputer has been down but this is the last time i received any kitfox-list
info?somthing up?
thanks KFD
Hey my coputer has been down but this is the last time i received any kitfox-list
info?somthing up?
thanksKFD
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| Subject: | Re: calculating Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
We are lucky to have such a well built airplane to
play with. The airplanes I fly every day are good
only to 2.5 G`s normally, or only 2 G`s with flaps
down. We quite regularily have to reduce to VA in
turbulence. It is more a subjective value to do it,
as you said. When it scares you, slow down.
I am convinced that turbulence is brought on by having
to write something while flying, drinking coffee, or
the opposite, flying with a full bladder. Weather has
nothing to do with it. ;-)
In the Fox, I slow down when it scares me. If the
turbulence is due to thermals, I get an extra 10 knots
at the same power setting, so I have to decide if I
need to go fast, or write something, etc. If I want
comfort, I climb out of the bumps, or land. If the
bumps are as hard as I land, I slow down too. If it
is a G`loading bump, I worry a lot more than if it is
a wing rocking bump. Straightening the wings is more
a nav problem than a structural problem.
And that is my simple plan for VA.
The calculations for VA that you were already given
are correct. It is based upon stall speed. But you
must remember to reduce VA when you are light. You
can pull more G`s at the same speed if you weigh less.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Thanks Jim and Allan,
>
...............
> I was actually wondering how it feels to have
> turbulence that needed to slow down to Va.
>
> Since I understand this is more of a subjective
> notion, I'd ask then:
> How often, any of you has been in turbulence that
> they estimated to be
> structurally dangerous in a way that it requires Va?
> I know, it's very
> subjective but ... some of you may have a G-meter
> and recorded how it moved in severe turbulence.
> ..............
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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Cc: <jboatm16@netzero.net>
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/18/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
KFD, there have been LOTS of messages since 2/18. Something on your end is
causing you to not get the list email. I am sending this to the list and to
your email address. So if you do not get two duplicate messages, something
is wrong with your email delivery. Contact me or Darrel for help solving the
problem.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jboatm16@netzero.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/18/06
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jboatm16@netzero.net"
<jboatm16@netzero.net>
Hey my coputer has been down but this is the last time i received any
kitfox-list info?somthing up?
thanks KFD
Hey my coputer has been down but this is the last time i received any
kitfox-list info?somthing up?
thanksKFD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Va, aka maneuvering speed, is not really subjective at all. By definition,
it is that speed at which full, abrupt control deflection will not exceed
the design load factor, (not the ultimate load factor). If a turbulent bump
causes the load factor to exceed the limit as if you applied full, ABRUPT
control input, you're toast. Below Va, you don't have enough control
authority to exceed those limits.
Va must be determined by the engineer who designed the plane. And frankly,
no one wants to find out what it really is. The Lockheed Electra (P-3 Orion)
was the first aircraft to be tested to that limit (failure), but the effort
to do so nearly bankrupt the company. I would imagine most production
aircraft are tested to failure, in an effort to validate the design, more
than increase safety. As builders, I guess we determine the design load
factor limits, but I doubt many of us are qualified to make that
determination. You just take it on faith that the engineer who drew all that
tubing you covered with fabric knew what he was doing.
Generally, the yellow arc is for smooth air, and below in the green is for
the rest of the time. How smooth is smooth? Up to you, buddy! As long as you
don't exceed the ultimate load factor, you're ok. But one good, hard bump in
the yellow is Russian Roulette. When and where that bump is is anybody's
guess. Likewise, if you exceed Vne, it doesn't necessarily mean you're going
to shed the wings at that moment. But you've exceeded the design limit (not
the ultimate limit).
I don't see how we are able to calculate it at all. Without testing in a lab
environment, all you can really do is go with Skystar's numbers and hope it
all works out.
It doesn't really matter if you're doing 40 or 400. Straight and level is
1G. At 40, there's not enough control authority available to stress the
airframe. But at 400, there's plenty enough to pretzel the fuselage and
fully articulate the wings. Load factor, again.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: calculating Va
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
We are lucky to have such a well built airplane to
play with. The airplanes I fly every day are good
only to 2.5 G`s normally, or only 2 G`s with flaps
down. We quite regularily have to reduce to VA in
turbulence. It is more a subjective value to do it,
as you said. When it scares you, slow down.
I am convinced that turbulence is brought on by having
to write something while flying, drinking coffee, or
the opposite, flying with a full bladder. Weather has
nothing to do with it. ;-)
In the Fox, I slow down when it scares me. If the
turbulence is due to thermals, I get an extra 10 knots
at the same power setting, so I have to decide if I
need to go fast, or write something, etc. If I want
comfort, I climb out of the bumps, or land. If the
bumps are as hard as I land, I slow down too. If it
is a G`loading bump, I worry a lot more than if it is
a wing rocking bump. Straightening the wings is more
a nav problem than a structural problem.
And that is my simple plan for VA.
The calculations for VA that you were already given
are correct. It is based upon stall speed. But you
must remember to reduce VA when you are light. You
can pull more G`s at the same speed if you weigh less.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Thanks Jim and Allan,
>
...............
> I was actually wondering how it feels to have
> turbulence that needed to slow down to Va.
>
> Since I understand this is more of a subjective
> notion, I'd ask then:
> How often, any of you has been in turbulence that
> they estimated to be
> structurally dangerous in a way that it requires Va?
> I know, it's very
> subjective but ... some of you may have a G-meter
> and recorded how it moved in severe turbulence.
> ..............
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Lynn,
What type of gun are you using? Is it a gravity feed or a
siphon? If gravity fed set your presser about 18/25 lb at the gun.
If it's a siphon, set the pressure 50/55 lb at the gun. Also make sure the
paint is thin correctly.
I used aero-thane on my fox and got a smooth job.
Glenn Horne Model II 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Orange peeling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> It's a new can of Poly-Fiber enamel, thinned with new PF enamel reducer.
> Did not use epoxy primer first. My reading suggested it wan't really
> necessary on fiberglass that was first sanded to give some "tooth." Put
> another coat on this am with so-so result. I'm beginning to think it's my
> spray technique that's the problem.
>
> Marco
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>
> Marco-
> Is it really Stits you are using or Poly-Fiber? If it says Stits on the
> can it may be old stuff. Are you sure about the Xylene for reducing
> Poly-Fiber Enamel? I know that the P-F Enamel reducer that I have says
> "contains Xylene", but maybe they put a little orange peel eliminator
> in the P-F Enamel Reducer, and don't say so. I might be a sucker for
> the "brand name" stuff, but I did not have a problem with any of my
> painting...over fabric with Poly-Tone, or over fiberglass, metal, etc.,
> with P-F Enamel, using the P-F suggested products. And did you first
> use EP-420 Epoxy Primer to prime the fiberglass? If you want to call an
> expert, try Jim Miller at 1-877-877-3334...he's my guru for all things
> paintable, and a Poly-Fiber dealer.... www.poly-fiber.com/
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 05:35 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>>
>> Hey List:
>>
>> I'm having a terrible time spray painting Stitts enamel on
>> fiberglass cargo pod. Keep getting that "orange peel" effect. Thinned
>> 5 to 1 with reducer as suggested on can, same problem. Is temperature
>> critical? Equipment? I'm tired of sanding and pod is amost a quart
>> heavier now. Any advice appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Marco Menezes
>> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Idle adjust on 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
Thanks for the help. Got it down to 1980, much better
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
It is not for a fabric aircraft. Do not use it.
Glenn Horne Model II 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Orange peeling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Marco Menezes [msm_9949@yahoo.com]
>> Keep getting that "orange peel" effect.
>
> Marco, I have seen a yachtsman obtaining a very nice hull gloss - without
> using a spray gun - with this product:
>
> http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/product_guide/finishes_undercoats/US_perfection.asp
>
> It's polyurethane and you apply it with a roller and a brush. I haven't
> tried it myself, though.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Orange peeling - Imron |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
NO. The poly fiber manual tells you that. It will crack over a period of
time
and peel off.
Glenn Horne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Orange peeling - Imron
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Ron:
>
> Do you recommend to use Dupont Imron to paint
> polyfiber?
>
> Jose
>
> --- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I sold dupont automotive paint to body shops and the
>> public for three years.
>>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox model IV rubber reinforcements |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mr NELSON GOGUEN" <mino2@verizon.net>
Hi Mike,
All the parts (cherry rivets and cap screws) are provided with the kit. Structural adhesive you provide. Instillation process is simple.rough up the tubes where the adhesive goes, apply adhesive and screw the cap screws in and tighten. When adhesive cures, rivet to the vertical arms. Pictures of installed supports can be seen on www.sportflight.com Click on shared photos then on improvements. John McBean carries them, check www.sportplanellc.com on the misc products page. Right now he only has a size that fits models 5 and 6.
Fly safe,
Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ford
To: mino2@verizon.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox model IV rubber reinforcements
Hi,
I am wondering, can you provide more information as to what the kit includes
and what other parts will be needed (such as structural adhesive).
Can you explain the process of instillation?
Do you have any pictures? It sounds quite promising.
My rudder petal arms currently do not have the reinforcements, and I am trying
to decide if I should baby them of install the reinforcements.
Thanks!
Mike
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | 912S Rough running problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Kerry
I have a 912 and had a flooding problem. An automotive pressure regulator after
the pump was effective. But I also had a float level problem. The high level
in the bowl lowers the pressure that holds the stoppers in place. Adjusting
the float level may be in order.
Jim Shumaker
Kerry Skyring <kerryskyring@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
Thanks John. Was my first thought too but I am not there with the plane. We
have some pretty experienced Rotax people around the airfield so will keep
you posted on what happens. kerry.
>Kerry,
> Turn off the pump.. It is not a required item on the 912S. If the
>mechanical pump failed then I may try it.. only if needed..
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Skyring
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:50 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Rough running problems
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
>
>
>Turning to the list for some help. Have just had a call from the airfield
>where I am told our beautiful S5 912S has had air under its wings for the
>first time. Just low runs along the runway. I am tied to my desk so can't
>be
>there.
>
>I will try and explain the problem as it was explained to me (in German)
>and
>see if anyone has some ideas that might quickly lead us to the problem.
>
>Engine seems to run fine until the auxiliary Facet electric fuel pump is
>turned on when it appears to become over rich and run rough. But it doesn't
>happen immediately, just by the end of a high speed run along the runway.
>Fuel system is according to plans apart from the Facet pump near the header
>tank. Thoughts are..
>
>1. the return fuel line to the header tank may be restrictive . i.e. not
>large enough outlet
>2. Just too much fuel pressure.
>
>Any thoughts on what we should look for?
>
>Kerry
>Kitfox builders helper
>And yes I am excited about the approaching first flight and will post
>details when it happens.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Hi all,
I find myself in need of a set of inboard flaperon end pieces and the
control horn that attaches to them (sorry, I don't know the
"official" names for these parts). These would be the pieces that
enter the sides of the turtledeck and connect to the flaperon
pushrods that descend on each side of the baggage to the flaperon
mixer assembly.
If anyone has a set they are willing to part with, please contact me off-list.
Thanks!
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
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This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
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main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
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Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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Download Via FTP
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in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
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Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
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Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
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- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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