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1. 05:27 AM - Re: 582 questions (Don Smythe)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: 582 questions (Lowell Fitt)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: 582 questions (Marco Menezes)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: Avid/Kitfox (jdmcbean)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: 582 questions (Don Smythe)
6. 07:03 PM - Trip to Florida - OT (Andrew Matthaey)
7. 07:03 PM - Svare! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 07:45 PM - Re: Avid/Kitfox (Paul Seehafer)
9. 08:16 PM - Re: Avid/Kitfox (Sid Hausding)
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| Subject: | Re: 582 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Marco,
I've been off the list forever due to a major computer virus but all
fixed now....One thing to keep in the front of your mind on the overrev. If
you have the "C" drive, you might have the problem of the drive slipping. I
fought this problem once even going through an engine overhaul trying to
find the culprit. What you have in the C box is a large nut and cone that
ties everything together. This cone is a slip fit and only held in position
by a large nut and compression. There is a Rotax bulletin out that calls
for disassembly of the box, degreasing and reassembly with a certain type
locktite on the cone/shaft. Then put the nut back on with a higher
specified torque. I don't have the particulars.
What happened in my case was a "surging" or overreving of the RPM's at
higher speeds. I think the cone in the box would slip, overheat and then
seize again so, the problem appeared to be intermittent. With time, the
problem got worse. The fix is fairly straight forward and easy. My hardest
problem was finding a torque wrench that would go up to 250 "FOOT" lbs on
the nut.
Don Smythe
> Any thoughts on the overrev situation? How many CCW turns from dead
> closed should the idle air and adjustment screws be set to ge me near 1800
> rpm at idle?
>
>
> Marco Menezes
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| Subject: | Re: 582 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don, glad to hear it was a visus that kept you away. You have tons of
knowledge and we need you.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Marco,
> I've been off the list forever due to a major computer virus but all
> fixed now....One thing to keep in the front of your mind on the overrev.
> If
> you have the "C" drive, you might have the problem of the drive slipping.
> I
> fought this problem once even going through an engine overhaul trying to
> find the culprit. What you have in the C box is a large nut and cone that
> ties everything together. This cone is a slip fit and only held in
> position
> by a large nut and compression. There is a Rotax bulletin out that calls
> for disassembly of the box, degreasing and reassembly with a certain type
> locktite on the cone/shaft. Then put the nut back on with a higher
> specified torque. I don't have the particulars.
> What happened in my case was a "surging" or overreving of the RPM's at
> higher speeds. I think the cone in the box would slip, overheat and then
> seize again so, the problem appeared to be intermittent. With time, the
> problem got worse. The fix is fairly straight forward and easy. My
> hardest
> problem was finding a torque wrench that would go up to 250 "FOOT" lbs on
> the nut.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>> Any thoughts on the overrev situation? How many CCW turns from dead
>> closed should the idle air and adjustment screws be set to ge me near
>> 1800
>> rpm at idle?
>>
>>
>> Marco Menezes
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Don. I'm gonna try Bob Roberstson's "fix" first. If that doesn't do it,
you've given me another possibility.
do not archive
Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe"
Marco,
I've been off the list forever due to a major computer virus but all
fixed now....One thing to keep in the front of your mind on the overrev. If
you have the "C" drive, you might have the problem of the drive slipping. I
fought this problem once even going through an engine overhaul trying to
find the culprit. What you have in the C box is a large nut and cone that
ties everything together. This cone is a slip fit and only held in position
by a large nut and compression. There is a Rotax bulletin out that calls
for disassembly of the box, degreasing and reassembly with a certain type
locktite on the cone/shaft. Then put the nut back on with a higher
specified torque. I don't have the particulars.
What happened in my case was a "surging" or overreving of the RPM's at
higher speeds. I think the cone in the box would slip, overheat and then
seize again so, the problem appeared to be intermittent. With time, the
problem got worse. The fix is fairly straight forward and easy. My hardest
problem was finding a torque wrench that would go up to 250 "FOOT" lbs on
the nut.
Don Smythe
> Any thoughts on the overrev situation? How many CCW turns from dead
> closed should the idle air and adjustment screws be set to ge me near 1800
> rpm at idle?
>
>
> Marco Menezes
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sid,
If I make it.. I'll join you again... Been a few years..
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sid Hausding
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid/Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
Paul,
another beer at Oshkosh, too.
Sid
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Paul Seehafer <wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer"
I still own the Avid/Kitfox prototype N99AF,and consequently found this
thread pretty interesting.
If you check out the old posting
http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/avid1.jpg you will see the early Light
Aero (Avid) brochure with Dan Denney sitting in the Avid prototype. That
pretty much proves who was first, as Denney didn't start Kitfox until after
leaving Avid. The 1st Avid flew in the fall of '82. Another interesting
twist to the story if I recall correctly is that John McBean's father was
involved in N99AF's first flights. Small world sometimes, isn't it.
One of my personal goals is to one day get the Avid/Kitfox prototype into a
museum (EAA?). But I'm not ready to donate it away quite yet, but maybe
that will one day change. As much as it impacted the world of recreational
flying, it certainly deserves it's place in history, and a little more
recognition. It is a timeless design that is sure to outlive all of us, and
was a trendsetter in personal aviation if there ever was one. I'm pretty
convinced if you count all of the copies/derivatives that it has to be one
of the most copied light aircraft design in history. Let's see, besides the
various Kitfox models, there is the Raven, Mohawk, Montana Coyote,
Highlander, Escapade, Eurofox, Skyfox Gazelle, Bushbaby, SkyRaider, Ridge
Runner, Airdale, etc, etc. And how many more am I missing?
Gee, has a Piper Cub been copied as much?
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN LARSEN"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Avid/Kitfox
> Hi;
> Yes you are right. Dean would work with a design until he found interest
> in
> new one, and then the first design would be off his radar screen. I
> designed the MK IV Avid as the C Model, its predecessor, needed an
> upgrade
> and Dean was off on the Explorer project. He was obviously better
> qualified
> but had lost interest.
"Why can't we all just get along?"
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| Subject: | Re: 582 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sounds good but don't let the possibility of a slipping gear box get too far
back in your memory. I spent weeks and over $2500. on a $2.00 fix. The
slipping "C" box is a known problem as the Rotax Bulletin points out. I
wore the list out with my "surging" RPM problems. I think Bruce Harrington
hit on the box early but I ignored his valuable advice. Finally when I
called Lockwood to describe my situation I wasn't half finished when he
said, "YOUR GEARBOX IS SLIPPING! Actually, I managed to use the same gasket
so the cost of repair wasn't even $2.00.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks Don. I'm gonna try Bob Roberstson's "fix" first. If that doesn't do
> it, you've given me another possibility.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Trip to Florida - OT |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
I'll be driving down to Florida with my girlfriend at the end of the week.
The mission - Scout out several flight schools where I can finish up my
CFI/CFII/MEI and where she can finish up her
Commercial/Multi/Instrument...Would there be anybody along the I-95
corridor, or down in Florida that we could overnight with? We're looking at
possibly staying in Atlanta, Jacksonville, Vero Beach...and? Not sure if the
schools will put us up!
Well, just an idea...! I can be reached anytime off-group.
Thanks!
Andrew
KF3 582
do not archive
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 questions
>Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:09:33 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>Sounds good but don't let the possibility of a slipping gear box get too
>far
>back in your memory. I spent weeks and over $2500. on a $2.00 fix. The
>slipping "C" box is a known problem as the Rotax Bulletin points out. I
>wore the list out with my "surging" RPM problems. I think Bruce Harrington
>hit on the box early but I ignored his valuable advice. Finally when I
>called Lockwood to describe my situation I wasn't half finished when he
>said, "YOUR GEARBOX IS SLIPPING! Actually, I managed to use the same
>gasket
>so the cost of repair wasn't even $2.00.
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 questions
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thanks Don. I'm gonna try Bob Roberstson's "fix" first. If that doesn't
>do
> > it, you've given me another possibility.
> >
> > do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I'll be darned! I got some new software that knows Norwegian! It puts the
SV:subjects right in date order with the RE:subjects. So now I can read a
thread in date order.
Will wonders never cease?
So fire away Michel!
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: PDA Gps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> Michel's SV creates a new thread.
Good Grief! I never thought of that, Randy! At home, on my Macintosh, I
have an English operative system and web browser. I adds a "Re:" I
guess. But, at work, answering through my Norwegian ISP web interface,
it writes SV: for "svare" (answer) in Norwegian. I'll try to delete
those in the future.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sid,
Just because you are Avid-less for the moment doesn't mean we can't still
drink beer together at Oshkosh. I hope to see you there again this year.
Paul
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sid Hausding" <avidsid@yahoo.com>
> Paul,
> another beer at Oshkosh, too.
> Sid
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
I was even thinking about flying down to Sun'N'Fun this year to see what that is
all about................maybe, there too. Oshkosh for sure.............
______________________-
Paul Seehafer <av8rps@tznet.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer"
Sid,
Just because you are Avid-less for the moment doesn't mean we can't still
drink beer together at Oshkosh. I hope to see you there again this year.
Paul
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sid Hausding"
> Paul,
> another beer at Oshkosh, too.
> Sid
"Why can't we all just get along?"
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