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1. 03:19 AM - Re: 912UL coming out of storage (Brett Walmsley)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Rotax 582 - Static RPM (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Rotax 582 - Static RPM (Bradley M Webb)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Kitfox handling problems Wh wiat! (Bradley M Webb)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! DAR & repairmans (flier)
7. 05:55 AM - Re: DAR is wrong (flier)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: 912UL coming out of storage (Eric)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! (Wwillyard@aol.com)
10. 07:07 AM - Re: 912UL coming out of storage (Wwillyard@AOL.COM)
11. 08:05 AM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! (Tom Jones)
12. 08:27 AM - fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? (scooby harrington)
13. 09:01 AM - Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
14. 09:16 AM - Re: DAR is wrong (Alan & Linda Daniels)
15. 09:28 AM - [Off-topic] Today's flight (Michel Verheughe)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! (Lowell Fitt)
17. 09:41 AM - Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? (Lowell Fitt)
18. 10:25 AM - Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream (RichWill)
19. 10:25 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight (DC91840@aol.com)
20. 10:42 AM - Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream (DC91840@AOL.COM)
21. 10:48 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight (Lowell Fitt)
22. 11:05 AM - Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? (Clint Bazzill)
23. 11:07 AM - Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream (Clint Bazzill)
24. 12:06 PM - Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream (RichWill)
25. 12:27 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight (Bradley M Webb)
26. 12:51 PM - Model 5 sale (Comp User)
27. 01:13 PM - Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream (Eric)
28. 02:33 PM - Wind screen (Graeme Toft)
29. 02:50 PM - Re: Wind screen (wingsdown)
30. 03:31 PM - Re: Wind screen (Dave and Diane)
31. 04:20 PM - Middle Georgia? (Michael Logan)
32. 04:29 PM - Re: Wind screen (Clem Nichols)
33. 05:17 PM - Airworthiness Certificate (Rex Shaw)
34. 05:24 PM - Re: Wind screen (Lowell Fitt)
35. 05:39 PM - Wing Tips (Dave and Diane)
36. 05:59 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight (John King)
37. 06:13 PM - Re: 912UL coming out of storage (Brett Walmsley)
38. 06:22 PM - Re: Wind screen (Lowell Fitt)
39. 06:22 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight (Cudnohufsky's)
40. 06:33 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Lowell Fitt)
41. 07:06 PM - 582 Oil Consumption (jareds)
42. 09:39 PM - Re: Wind screen (Clint Bazzill)
43. 09:42 PM - Re: Wind screen (Graeme Toft)
44. 10:49 PM - Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL coming out of storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Clem,
I am in the same situation. My engine is 10 years old and had never left the
box until two weeks ago. I called Lockwood and asked Kerry the same
questions. Regarding the internal stuff he said look in the spark plug
holes. see how it looks. If you remove the gear reduction you can see into
the crank case. I did this because I was putting in the vacuum pump drive
gear. One thing I did was put oil in the crankcase (1/2 to 3/4 quart) and
roll the engine around. I mean physically roll it over. My main concern was
the lifter faces. Then I took out the spark plugs and sprayed LPS 3 in the
cylinders and hooked up a battery and cranked it. I got the oil in by
hooking clear plastic tube to the oil inlet and pouring oil into the tube
until I had enough in the engine by hand cranking. Then I hooked the tube to
the return. People will tell you it won't pump with the spark plugs out, but
it will if the pump is primed.
After doing all of this I feel reasonably confident it will be just fine.
There are however some Service Bulletins and Letters you may need to look
into.
1. Stator (not bad $100+) (special puller)
2. Rocker arms (expensive, $800+) (special tools)
3. Carb floats
4. Dipstick
There may be more. I have the special tools if you need to borrow them
Brett
----- Original Message -----
From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> I've had a 912UL sitting in my garage for 9 years in basically the
> condition it came to me from the factory. My garage is air conditioned
> as part of the house and the humidity here in Oklahoma is usually less
> than 45 % dropping to 20-30 % during the winter months.
>
> I have begun work to finish the last 20% of my Kitfox IV construction
> and need to know what I should do to the engine.
>
> Does it need to go to a Rotax service center for teardown, or is it
> likely to be OK to use as is?
>
> Also, do I need to replace all the hoses that were put on it back then
> (fuel, water, oil)?
>
> Anyone with experience like this?
>
> Thanks for the advice,
>
> Clem
> Lawton, Oklahoma
> KF IV-1050, 912UL
> On this list daily since 1993
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Lynn, congrats on the sign-off.
As for what the DAR says, it sounds bogus to me. On both of my sign-offs
the FAA rep did the paperwork right there on the spot, gave me a carbon for
proof of Repairman's Certificate, and the permanent certificate came in the
mail about 2 weeks later. Nothing was said about not being able to work on
that. I don't know the actual wording in the regs, but I doubt that he's
right.
Deke
Still snowed in, but melting fast.
NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks Brett and all...
>
> Yeah I started after you, but I seem to recall that you have a job and
> other time-consuming obligations, which I don't have, so I was able to
> "give it a go" for big stretches of time at a time. Now it's time to go
> after that Sport Pilot rating with great gusto so I can fly a few of
> the mandated 40 hrs off myself, instead of watching someone else do
> that.
>
> Funny part about getting the AC though....the DAR says that because it
> is now an airplane, I can't legally work on it, or make entries in the
> log book regarding maintenance, until after the 40 is flown off, and I
> have then turned in my maintenance paperwork, and in so doing, acquire
> the permit to maintain it....strange, ain't it....I build the damn
> thing, and now I can't work on it!...legally.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 08:17 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
> >
> > Way to go Lynn.
> > You started after me. And I'm just hanging the engine. You really made
> > good
> > time.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 - Static RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Greensky Adventures, another guru who's been in the 582 business longer than
the Kitfox has been around, always recommended 5800 WOT static. It quickly
climbs once the wheels leave the ground. It keeps the EGTs down and gives
decent cruise at 58-6000 rpm. Climb rpm is determined by climb speed and
angle. Worked well for me for 400 hours with GSC prop. Other props may
need different numbers.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 - Static RPM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/11/2006 9:50:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net writes:
>
> Most of you are talking about rpm at cruise. What should be the max rpm
tied
> to the ground? Static rpm?
>
>
> Not at Cruise WOT in Best Climb speed.
>
> I never have tied my plane down and Run it a WOT. Initial RPM on TO roll
is
> a bit over 6,000 and quickly climbs as plane accelerates.
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 - Static RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
This may explain why my KF2/582 grey/IVO 66" shows such a high cruise speed
at 5800 rpm (88mph). From these posts, it is obvious my prop has too much
pitch. On climb-out, I see 6100 max at 70 mph. I get about 1000fpm solo at
this setting.
I bet if I pitch it to 6500, I'd go vertical.
Nice thing about these props, easy to re-pitch where you want it.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 - Static RPM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:11:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,
f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net writes:
Can anyone tell me what the maximum static rpm should be for a Rotax 582 in
a Kitfox lll. Also top rpm on take off?
I turn 6,500 at 55 MPH during climb out...... I talked to Lockwood.... a
fine Rotax outfit, they say I should be at 6,700 and see a big increase in
power.... I have to tell ya... it scoots at 6,500..........
Good luck
Dave KF2 582 Blue Head E Box
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| Subject: | Kitfox handling problems Wh wiat! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Nah, I'll just go ahead and do it! The math takes too much time away from
flying...
Bradley
<snip>
>>> I may go ahead and put my battery in the tail.
Bradley
<snip>
That's a drastic change! the ratio of nose to tail weight can be as high
as
6 to one or more. Adding a 10 lbs battery in tail could be the same as 60
in nose..... you could make the plane tail heavy a very bad
thing..........
calculate first!
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| Subject: | Got my Airworthiness Certificate! DAR & repairmans |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
A DAR can no longer do the Repairmans cert. I was in the same situation
with my Nieuport airworthiness last Sept. I have to go down to the FSDO and
have them do the Repairmans. Same sit with a bud of mine.
The repairmans only gives you the right to sign off an annual anyway. All
maintenance can be done by the owner so there's no need for one until the
annual arrives...
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Lynn, congrats on the sign-off.
As for what the DAR says, it sounds bogus to me. On both of my sign-offs
the FAA rep did the paperwork right there on the spot, gave me a carbon for
proof of Repairman's Certificate, and the permanent certificate came in the
mail about 2 weeks later. Nothing was said about not being able to work on
that. I don't know the actual wording in the regs, but I doubt that he's
right.
Deke
Still snowed in, but melting fast.
NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks Brett and all...
>
> Yeah I started after you, but I seem to recall that you have a job and
> other time-consuming obligations, which I don't have, so I was able to
> "give it a go" for big stretches of time at a time. Now it's time to go
> after that Sport Pilot rating with great gusto so I can fly a few of
> the mandated 40 hrs off myself, instead of watching someone else do
> that.
>
> Funny part about getting the AC though....the DAR says that because it
> is now an airplane, I can't legally work on it, or make entries in the
> log book regarding maintenance, until after the 40 is flown off, and I
> have then turned in my maintenance paperwork, and in so doing, acquire
> the permit to maintain it....strange, ain't it....I build the damn
> thing, and now I can't work on it!...legally.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 08:17 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
> >
> > Way to go Lynn.
> > You started after me. And I'm just hanging the engine. You really made
> > good
> > time.
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Definately! Lynn you can do everything except sign the annual which isn't
due for another year now that he's signed it off...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: DAR is wrong
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
The DAR is wrong. You can do all the work except the annual inspection
which is not due for a year until you get your repairman's certificate.
I can't believe he would tell you that nonsense. Call EAA, they can give
you chapter and verse. That is of course if it is experimental amateur
built. I am sure someone on the list will jump in with the FAR's. I will
in the AM if no one else has.
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>Thanks Brett and all...
>
>Yeah I started after you, but I seem to recall that you have a job and
>other time-consuming obligations, which I don't have, so I was able to
>"give it a go" for big stretches of time at a time. Now it's time to go
>after that Sport Pilot rating with great gusto so I can fly a few of
>the mandated 40 hrs off myself, instead of watching someone else do
>that.
>
>Funny part about getting the AC though....the DAR says that because it
>is now an airplane, I can't legally work on it, or make entries in the
>log book regarding maintenance, until after the 40 is flown off, and I
>have then turned in my maintenance paperwork, and in so doing, acquire
>the permit to maintain it....strange, ain't it....I build the damn
>thing, and now I can't work on it!...legally.
>
>Lynn
>Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 08:17 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>
>>Way to go Lynn.
>>You started after me. And I'm just hanging the engine. You really made
>>good
>>time.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL coming out of storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Brett,
I am familiar with the Service Letters on Stator and Rocker Arms but have
not heard about Carb Floats or Dipstick. What are those about?
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>
> Clem,
> I am in the same situation. My engine is 10 years old and had never left
> the
> box until two weeks ago. I called Lockwood and asked Kerry the same
> questions. Regarding the internal stuff he said look in the spark plug
> holes. see how it looks. If you remove the gear reduction you can see into
> the crank case. I did this because I was putting in the vacuum pump drive
> gear. One thing I did was put oil in the crankcase (1/2 to 3/4 quart) and
> roll the engine around. I mean physically roll it over. My main concern
> was
> the lifter faces. Then I took out the spark plugs and sprayed LPS 3 in the
> cylinders and hooked up a battery and cranked it. I got the oil in by
> hooking clear plastic tube to the oil inlet and pouring oil into the tube
> until I had enough in the engine by hand cranking. Then I hooked the tube
> to
> the return. People will tell you it won't pump with the spark plugs out,
> but
> it will if the pump is primed.
> After doing all of this I feel reasonably confident it will be just fine.
> There are however some Service Bulletins and Letters you may need to look
> into.
> 1. Stator (not bad $100+) (special puller)
> 2. Rocker arms (expensive, $800+) (special tools)
> 3. Carb floats
> 4. Dipstick
> There may be more. I have the special tools if you need to borrow them
> Brett
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:54 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner"
>> <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> I've had a 912UL sitting in my garage for 9 years in basically the
>> condition it came to me from the factory. My garage is air conditioned
>> as part of the house and the humidity here in Oklahoma is usually less
>> than 45 % dropping to 20-30 % during the winter months.
>>
>> I have begun work to finish the last 20% of my Kitfox IV construction
>> and need to know what I should do to the engine.
>>
>> Does it need to go to a Rotax service center for teardown, or is it
>> likely to be OK to use as is?
>>
>> Also, do I need to replace all the hoses that were put on it back then
>> (fuel, water, oil)?
>>
>> Anyone with experience like this?
>>
>> Thanks for the advice,
>>
>> Clem
>> Lawton, Oklahoma
>> KF IV-1050, 912UL
>> On this list daily since 1993
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
Funny part about getting the AC though....the DAR says that because it
is now an airplane, I can't legally work on it, or make entries in the
log book regarding maintenance, until after the 40 is flown off, and I
have then turned in my maintenance paperwork, and in so doing, acquire
the permit to maintain it....strange, ain't it....I build the damn
thing, and now I can't work on it!...legally.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
Lunn; Congratulations, it's really a nice feeling. I applied for my
repairman's certificate concurrently with the inspection and was issued a temporary
repairman's certificate on the spot. There sure isn't any consistency in the
process.
Bill W.
Classic IV 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL coming out of storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
I've had a 912UL sitting in my garage for 9 years in basically the
condition it came to me from the factory. My garage is air conditioned
as part of the house and the humidity here in Oklahoma is usually less
than 45 % dropping to 20-30 % during the winter months.
I have begun work to finish the last 20% of my Kitfox IV construction
and need to know what I should do to the engine.
Does it need to go to a Rotax service center for teardown, or is it
likely to be OK to use as is?
Also, do I need to replace all the hoses that were put on it back then
(fuel, water, oil)?
Anyone with experience like this?
Thanks for the advice,
Clem
Lawton, Oklahoma
KF IV-1050, 912UL
On this list daily since 1993
Clem; My 912 sat in my garage in Michigan for 6 years and has been operating
for more than 250 hours with no problems.
Bill W.
Classic IV 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Lynn
Your DAR is full of beans about working on the plane now. Anyone can work on an
Experimental. You just need to have the Repairman's Certificate to sign the
logbook for the Annual. You do need to apply to your FISDO for the Repairman's
Certificate.
Congratulations on the AC
Tom Jones
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21223#21223
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| Subject: | fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
I'm trying to find a good spot for the fixed external ELT antenna for my
Ameriking
AK-450 but I can't seem to find a spot that satisfies all the constraints
listed in the
manual. On the series 6, the two antenna mounting plates on the top of the
fuselage
are 26" apart but the ELT manual says that it needs to be 36" from any
vertically
polarized comm antenna. What have others done?
I'm thinking I might have to compromise on the 36" antenna spacing and put
the
ELT antenna at the mounting plate at the back edge of the turtle deck so
that I
can mount the ELT unit behind the seats where it can be very rigidly
attached and
the antenna run can be short.
Thanks!
Scooby
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| Subject: | Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
On a tube a fabric plane just zip tie the antenna inside the fuselage
behind the cargo area. I have my antenna pointed straight back, which
will probably be straight up in a wreck. Use plastic tubing to make sure
it does not ground to the tubing. The reason you do this is in a wreck
you do not know which way will be up, and chances are that you might
just stick the antenna in the mud and it will not transmit well. If it
is protected by the aircraft frame it will always transmit well enough
to get picked up by the satellite and by the rescue crew. If you are
upright and can get around You can use the mobile antenna and the voice
transmit feature. I know people will say the book says, outside fixed,
vertical, and all, but In all the wrecks I have seen that is the worst
place for it to survive a still transmit.
scooby harrington wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington" <scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>
>I'm trying to find a good spot for the fixed external ELT antenna for my
>Ameriking
>AK-450 but I can't seem to find a spot that satisfies all the constraints
>listed in the
>manual. On the series 6, the two antenna mounting plates on the top of the
>fuselage
>are 26" apart but the ELT manual says that it needs to be 36" from any
>vertically
>polarized comm antenna. What have others done?
>
>I'm thinking I might have to compromise on the 36" antenna spacing and put
>the
>ELT antenna at the mounting plate at the back edge of the turtle deck so
>that I
>can mount the ELT unit behind the seats where it can be very rigidly
>attached and
>the antenna run can be short.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Scooby
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DAR is wrong |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
It is Part 43 Section D I think. The only FAR's I have at home are AOPA
and they omit that section. I will get my full copy from the office. The
time you need to really work on your plane IS during the 40 hour fly
off. It is the exact time you need to debug and adjust. At a very
minimum you will need to re torque the prop bolts after an hour or so.
Every plane I have seen needs a little fine tuning and fixing a few
little things. This almost makes me mad and it could cause unnecessary
risk, and it has enough risk as it is. Suggestion. First flight is just
in and above the pattern, then land and check the plane over. If it
looks good and you are up to it fly it in a safe area for another half
hour or so and then take it to the hangar, kick everyone out, lock the
door, pull the cowl and look it over really well with a flashlight. Then
pull up a chair and just sit with her for half an hour or so thinking
about the sounds and vibrations of the flight. When you get completely
relaxed with her then you can let others in. EXTREME caution and
Attention to detail is required for safe test flying. If you are too
scared have someone with a lot of experience in the plane do the first
test flying, if you are not a little scared you are too stupid to do the
test flying. Attention to detail and a professional approach will do you
well.
flier wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Definately! Lynn you can do everything except sign the annual which isn't
>due for another year now that he's signed it off...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:59 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: DAR is wrong
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>The DAR is wrong. You can do all the work except the annual inspection
>which is not due for a year until you get your repairman's certificate.
>I can't believe he would tell you that nonsense. Call EAA, they can give
>you chapter and verse. That is of course if it is experimental amateur
>built. I am sure someone on the list will jump in with the FAR's. I will
>in the AM if no one else has.
>
>Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>>Thanks Brett and all...
>>
>>Yeah I started after you, but I seem to recall that you have a job and
>>other time-consuming obligations, which I don't have, so I was able to
>>"give it a go" for big stretches of time at a time. Now it's time to go
>>after that Sport Pilot rating with great gusto so I can fly a few of
>>the mandated 40 hrs off myself, instead of watching someone else do
>>that.
>>
>>Funny part about getting the AC though....the DAR says that because it
>>is now an airplane, I can't legally work on it, or make entries in the
>>log book regarding maintenance, until after the 40 is flown off, and I
>>have then turned in my maintenance paperwork, and in so doing, acquire
>>the permit to maintain it....strange, ain't it....I build the damn
>>thing, and now I can't work on it!...legally.
>>
>>Lynn
>>Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>>
>>On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 08:17 PM, Brett Walmsley wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>>
>>>Way to go Lynn.
>>>You started after me. And I'm just hanging the engine. You really made
>>>good
>>>time.
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello listers,
I went flying today and here are some photos.
http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
Nothing special, just some photos of winter Norway.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Congratulations to Lynn and John. I'm sure the feelings are great about now
and will proably get a bit better with the report of the first flight.
Looking forward to that.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Congrats Lynn, that's two of us as I have JUST received mine!! Great
> feeling
> after 7 years a fun, toil and every emotion one could name. First flight
> in
> a few days, just when I get my first day off and a nice day all in one.
> John
> A. Series 5 TD
>
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:39:09 -0500
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> They tell me that I now have an airplane! I just got my AC, and now
> I'm a real airplane owner, not a project owner. It'll still be a
> project, but I'm that much closer to having something to fly...as soon
> as I get done with flight instruction, that is...and get the 40 hrs
> flown off, etc, etc....
> It's only been 18 and a half months, but it seems like an eternity
> since I drove to Texas and picked up this project, and now it's ready
> for test flying. One of these days I'll clean up the shop, but for now
> it's time to celebrate.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Scooby, I did as Alan did - almost. I made a little bracket that mounts to
the convergence of the frame tubing just aft of the seat on the passenger
side and mounted the antenna internally up-side-down. With a little length
of rib lacing cord tying the end to the lower frame to keep it from whipping
around. I like the internal protection Alan describes, but expect the
signal to be somewhat less, being inside the frame. Like Alan, I feel a
possibly weaker predictable signal to be better than a strong signal stuck
in the ground by an inverted airplane.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> On a tube a fabric plane just zip tie the antenna inside the fuselage
> behind the cargo area. I have my antenna pointed straight back, which
> will probably be straight up in a wreck. Use plastic tubing to make sure
> it does not ground to the tubing. The reason you do this is in a wreck
> you do not know which way will be up, and chances are that you might
> just stick the antenna in the mud and it will not transmit well. If it
> is protected by the aircraft frame it will always transmit well enough
> to get picked up by the satellite and by the rescue crew. If you are
> upright and can get around You can use the mobile antenna and the voice
> transmit feature. I know people will say the book says, outside fixed,
> vertical, and all, but In all the wrecks I have seen that is the worst
> place for it to survive a still transmit.
>
> scooby harrington wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
>><scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>>
>>I'm trying to find a good spot for the fixed external ELT antenna for my
>>Ameriking
>>AK-450 but I can't seem to find a spot that satisfies all the constraints
>>listed in the
>>manual. On the series 6, the two antenna mounting plates on the top of the
>>fuselage
>>are 26" apart but the ELT manual says that it needs to be 36" from any
>>vertically
>>polarized comm antenna. What have others done?
>>
>>I'm thinking I might have to compromise on the 36" antenna spacing and put
>>the
>>ELT antenna at the mounting plate at the back edge of the turtle deck so
>>that I
>>can mount the ELT unit behind the seats where it can be very rigidly
>>attached and
>>the antenna run can be short.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Scooby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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| Subject: | Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
After "carefully" fussing over several hours of fitting a brand new formed windshield
onto my KF3, I was down to the final fitting and trimming... when one final
push and tweak.... boom!
I cracked the windshield right at the curve on the leading edge attach point..
It's a 4 inch crack headed inboard...
Any suggestion, recommendation on repairing, stopping the crack from continuing,
masking, filling in so it's not noticeable... OR am I stuck with a $500 piece
of plastics scrap??
Rich
Kennebunk Maine :x
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21263#21263
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
In a message dated 3/12/2006 11:29:27 AM Central Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
Michel:
These pics are fantastic. What a view and from a Kitfox to boot.
Wish I were there. Thanks ; Don C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Rich:
You can stop the crack by drilling a 1/8" dia. hole at
the very end of the crack. Then deburr the hole to make the edges
very smooth.
I have a couple of cracks in a similar area and didn't attempt any
further repair and they have not spread. Doesn't look nice but
has apparently has relieved the stress in this area.
My 2 cents
Don C.
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
Thanks for the report and the opportunity to see your home from the air. I
wish I could have flown today. Cameron Park got 4 inches of snow overnight
a real rare experience - last time Winter of 1997 with an inch or so then.
I'd love to have pics from the air.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Today's flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello listers,
> I went flying today and here are some photos.
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
>
> Nothing special, just some photos of winter Norway.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I have my ELT antenna in the frame behind the seat. I got a call at 1:30 AM
last Sunday from the Half Moon Bay Police Dept. I had my airplane tied down
at the airport and the wind was so strong it set off my elt. So it does
work inside the aircraft. Clint
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Scooby, I did as Alan did - almost. I made a little bracket that mounts to
the convergence of the frame tubing just aft of the seat on the passenger
side and mounted the antenna internally up-side-down. With a little length
of rib lacing cord tying the end to the lower frame to keep it from whipping
around. I like the internal protection Alan describes, but expect the
signal to be somewhat less, being inside the frame. Like Alan, I feel a
possibly weaker predictable signal to be better than a strong signal stuck
in the ground by an inverted airplane.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: fixed ELT antenna location on Series 6?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> On a tube a fabric plane just zip tie the antenna inside the fuselage
> behind the cargo area. I have my antenna pointed straight back, which
> will probably be straight up in a wreck. Use plastic tubing to make sure
> it does not ground to the tubing. The reason you do this is in a wreck
> you do not know which way will be up, and chances are that you might
> just stick the antenna in the mud and it will not transmit well. If it
> is protected by the aircraft frame it will always transmit well enough
> to get picked up by the satellite and by the rescue crew. If you are
> upright and can get around You can use the mobile antenna and the voice
> transmit feature. I know people will say the book says, outside fixed,
> vertical, and all, but In all the wrecks I have seen that is the worst
> place for it to survive a still transmit.
>
> scooby harrington wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scooby harrington"
>><scoobytrash@hotmail.com>
>>
>>I'm trying to find a good spot for the fixed external ELT antenna for my
>>Ameriking
>>AK-450 but I can't seem to find a spot that satisfies all the constraints
>>listed in the
>>manual. On the series 6, the two antenna mounting plates on the top of
the
>>fuselage
>>are 26" apart but the ELT manual says that it needs to be 36" from any
>>vertically
>>polarized comm antenna. What have others done?
>>
>>I'm thinking I might have to compromise on the 36" antenna spacing and
put
>>the
>>ELT antenna at the mounting plate at the back edge of the turtle deck so
>>that I
>>can mount the ELT unit behind the seats where it can be very rigidly
>>attached and
>>the antenna run can be short.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Scooby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
How come the Lexan cost that much. I bought a half sheet of 1/4 inch (by
mistake) thought it was 3/16 and installed it on my model IV. No problem,
did increase my VNE to 140 though. My Lexan from Tapp Plactics was about 60
or 70 dollars. Clint
From: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
After "carefully" fussing over several hours of fitting a brand new formed
windshield onto my KF3, I was down to the final fitting and trimming... when
one final push and tweak.... boom!
I cracked the windshield right at the curve on the leading edge attach
point.. It's a 4 inch crack headed inboard...
Any suggestion, recommendation on repairing, stopping the crack from
continuing, masking, filling in so it's not noticeable... OR am I stuck with
a $500 piece of plastics scrap??
Rich
Kennebunk Maine :x
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21263#21263
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
P/N 1334 Windshield - One Piece with Overhead, extends from cowling to
turtledeck - Heat Formed tinted...
$380.60 Clear
$456.90 Tint Plus shipping....
Nice but, expensive...agreed.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21280#21280
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Well, you can feel even more jealous...a balmy 80 degrees and calm here in
Middle Georgia. As soon as I finish this note, I'm off to the airport to log
some time.
All but you, Michel. I wish our landscape was as gorgeous as that.
And take heart, Lowell. I miss the occasional snowball fight with the kids.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Today's flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
Thanks for the report and the opportunity to see your home from the air. I
wish I could have flown today. Cameron Park got 4 inches of snow overnight
a real rare experience - last time Winter of 1997 with an inch or so then.
I'd love to have pics from the air.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Today's flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello listers,
> I went flying today and here are some photos.
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
>
> Nothing special, just some photos of winter Norway.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Financial situation forces sale of my mod 5. Contact me off list for details. It
would be good for a group to buy and use for parts.
trebla@directinter.net
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Rich,
with a magnifying glass find where the crack ends, then go 1/4" in front of
it and drill a 1/8" hole. This should guarantee that your crack will not go
beyond this point. Next , drill a #40 or smaller hole on each side of the
crack close to the edge of your windshield ( hopefully these holes will be
covered up later by the edge fairing) You will use these holes to lace your
crack together after working some Plexiglas glue into the crack. When
working the glue in be careful not to make it crack beyond the stop drill .
Use .020 safety wire for lacing.
You may not be able to get the glue all the way to the end of the crack but
if you get any at all in there it will keep the two halves from moving and
propagating the crack. Access glue can be later removed with a razor blade
and buffed.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fitting Formed Windshield - I Could Just Scream
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
> After "carefully" fussing over several hours of fitting a brand new formed
> windshield onto my KF3, I was down to the final fitting and trimming...
> when one final push and tweak.... boom!
>
> I cracked the windshield right at the curve on the leading edge attach
> point.. It's a 4 inch crack headed inboard...
>
> Any suggestion, recommendation on repairing, stopping the crack from
> continuing, masking, filling in so it's not noticeable... OR am I stuck
> with a $500 piece of plastics scrap??
>
> Rich
> Kennebunk Maine :x
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21263#21263
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens and their
thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE. I will be replacing
mine as a last task before getting airborne again. Why is the thickness
an issue with VNE. I assume it is because of possible distortion and the potential
for failure. Is this correct and what thickness should I order if I want
to increase VNE. The current windscreen is 3/16th and I believe it is from the
factory.
Cheers
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
The windshield alone is only one small factor in Vne. I would be more
concerned with control surfaces and aileron flutter. No doubt a better
windsheild is better. Still some debate on materials and thickness. Not
good to try to intall any of the non lexan in cold temps. Hot days and
patients are the best if possible.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
and their thickness ................
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Graem,
I don't know that I can contribute much to the windscreen vs Vne issue. Vne is
a design parameter which is defined by whatever becomes a problem first when
adding speed. I don't know enough about the design limits of our airplanes to
even guess if a thicker windshield would get you out there further or not. I
don't think my engine will push me to Vne anyway on 100hp.
The wind screen I paid for twice (once to Skystar & once to John Mc Bean who
got the job done for me) is the 3/16" thick version. I would always
gravitate towards the thickest one available simply because thicker provides
more resistance to object penetration - whatever that object may be which
chooses to get in front of my windshield - rocks on takeoff, golf balls, June
bugs (which make a pretty good snap on the window at 100MPH) or English
weaver finch. I realize that with the operational speeds of a Kitfox - birds
have at least half a chance of getting out of our way - but if they don't
it's not good. I have seen a Cessna 172 which ruined a Canada goose's day on
the Cessna's short final and a Bellanca which took a mallard through the
windscreen at cruise speed and the mallard parts didn't stop till the pink
mist coagulated in the end of the tail cone - you just can't get a thick
enough windscreen to keep those things out so the object penetration thing is
sort of relative rather than absolute. Obviously, resistance to object
penetration is a function of materials too (polycarbonate holds up much
better than acrylic - everything else being the same) - but that is my main
reason to avoid a lighter windscreen.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
Do Not Archive
On Sunday 12 March 2006 4:29 pm, Graeme Toft wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens and
> their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Bradley,
Where in Middle Georgia are you located? I grew up in Warner Robins and get
back there a couple of times a year. It can get hot and steamy for long
periods of time in the summer.
Mike Logan
Series 5
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley M Webb
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Today's flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Well, you can feel even more jealous...a balmy 80 degrees and calm here in
Middle Georgia. As soon as I finish this note, I'm off to the airport to log
some time.
All but you, Michel. I wish our landscape was as gorgeous as that.
And take heart, Lowell. I miss the occasional snowball fight with the kids.
Bradley
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
With the crazing on my present windscreen, I realize it's just a matter of
time before I'll be forced to replace it. If I remember previous posts, the
acrylic is more resistant to scratches, etc., than the polycarbonate, and
obviously the acrylic can be ordered preformed whereas the polycarbonate
(lexan?) comes in a flat sheet and requires a good deal of work to make it
fit. Moreover, the polycarbonate is not tinted (can it be ordered that
way?), whereas apparently the acrylic can be. In the summertime when I do
most of my flying I sometimes find myself wishing I had a little shade over
my head. If I remember correctly the polycarbonate can be damaged by
glue-on sun screens, and I've had no luck with the screens that are held on
by static electricity. Thanks in advance.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
> Graem,
>
> I don't know that I can contribute much to the windscreen vs Vne issue.
> Vne is
> a design parameter which is defined by whatever becomes a problem first
> when
> adding speed. I don't know enough about the design limits of our airplanes
> to
> even guess if a thicker windshield would get you out there further or not.
> I
> don't think my engine will push me to Vne anyway on 100hp.
>
> The wind screen I paid for twice (once to Skystar & once to John Mc Bean
> who
> got the job done for me) is the 3/16" thick version. I would always
> gravitate towards the thickest one available simply because thicker
> provides
> more resistance to object penetration - whatever that object may be which
> chooses to get in front of my windshield - rocks on takeoff, golf balls,
> June
> bugs (which make a pretty good snap on the window at 100MPH) or English
> weaver finch. I realize that with the operational speeds of a Kitfox -
> birds
> have at least half a chance of getting out of our way - but if they don't
> it's not good. I have seen a Cessna 172 which ruined a Canada goose's day
> on
> the Cessna's short final and a Bellanca which took a mallard through the
> windscreen at cruise speed and the mallard parts didn't stop till the pink
> mist coagulated in the end of the tail cone - you just can't get a thick
> enough windscreen to keep those things out so the object penetration thing
> is
> sort of relative rather than absolute. Obviously, resistance to object
> penetration is a function of materials too (polycarbonate holds up much
> better than acrylic - everything else being the same) - but that is my
> main
> reason to avoid a lighter windscreen.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave S
> St Paul, MN
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> On Sunday 12 March 2006 4:29 pm, Graeme Toft wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>
>> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
>> and
>> their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Airworthiness Certificate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
They tell me that I now have an airplane! I just got my AC, and now
I'm a real airplane owner, not a project owner. It'll still be a
project, but I'm that much closer to having something to fly...as soon
as I get done with flight instruction, that is...and get the 40 hrs
flown off, etc, etc....
It's only been 18 and a half months, but it seems like an eternity
since I drove to Texas and picked up this project, and now it's ready
for test flying. One of these days I'll clean up the shop, but for now
it's time to celebrate.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
Congratulations Lynn,
there will be no stopping you now. Have lot's
of fun,
Rex.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Greame,
I think a little clarification here is in order.
With the Model IV the kits came with two thicknesses of the Lexan
(Polycarbonate) wind sheild (screen for you, i guess). This was a flat
sheet that was cut to shape and bent over the front area and actoss the wing
root area and then back to cover the skylight.
The two thicknesses were .060 and .093 inches. The .060 was used on the
standard long wing IV -VNE 125 and the short wing speedster - VNE 135.
Discussion in the past has suggested that the windshield thickness, was at
least in part, a VNE design issue - a tendency for the thinner material
diforming at high speeds. I have the .060, and have replaced it once about
200 hours ago. The first windshield was in use over 500 hours and the
reason for the replacement was the large scratch that appeared in the
building process - I just got tired of looking at it. I have flown at near
VNE - my airspeed indicatoronly goes to 120 and I try to limit my speed to
that - and I doubt anyone could convince me of the need for the .093. I do
see some wind effects on the Lexan at high speeds and some prop pulse
effects, but it doesn't bother me.
I think the thicker windshields mentioned in the inch fraction range are the
ones from LP Aeroplastics and they are not Lexan, but Acrylic. Acrylic does
have some advantages relating to ease of polishing out minor scratches, but
the stuff is very brittle and extremely unforgiving and must be handled very
carefully. For strength it has to be a quantum leap thicker or what will
merely deform the lexan for an immediate bounce back will break the acrylic.
I run (fly) with a group of "light" airplanes - mine is the heaviest and I
sometimes wonder why the bigger and heavier seems to often get the nod even
where there is no demonstrated benefit. I recall of one Lexan windshield
splitting from top to bottom for some reason. It was cleverly field
repaired and the flight went on. That one incident was not reason enough
for me to go thicker or heavier and definitely not more expensive.
Keep in mind that this is for a fairly quick Model IV and I have no opinions
on the subject regarding the heavier airplanes.
regards,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
> and their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE. I
> will be replacing mine as a last task before getting airborne again. Why
> is the thickness an issue with VNE. I assume it is because of possible
> distortion and the potential for failure. Is this correct and what
> thickness should I order if I want to increase VNE. The current windscreen
> is 3/16th and I believe it is from the factory.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graeme
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Good evening folks,
I have a question on the wingtips supplied by Skystar in 2004. Does anyone
know what kind of resin they used in the fiberglass wingtips - polyester or
epoxy? I am guessing polyester, but am curious to know for sure because I
will be doing some modification and want to keep the chemical compatibility
issues organized.
Thanks,
Dave S
St Paul; MN
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Michel,
They are very beautiful scenes of winter in Norway. Two weeks ago a
friend of mine in his Champ and I in my Kitfox flew from Virginia to the
state of Maine. The trip was just over 600 nautical miles, cold
turbulent, with headwinds most of the way . We were invited there by
another pilot who just happens to be the owner of a large lodge on the
largest lake (Mooselhead Lake) in northern Maine. The lakes up there
are of course frozen two feet thick. Neither of our aircraft had skies
only wheels and I had wheel pants. Although there was an airport 30
miles away on the southern end of the lake, we were told to land on the
lake ice in front of the lodge.
I never knew you could land with wheels on ice successfully, but we had
no problem. Of course we could not use brakes and had to shut the
engine down after touchdown, otherwise it would not stop with the engine
at idle. We spent a week flying the lakes of northern Maine and landing
on the ice to visit friends and stopping to eat lunch at restaurants on
the lakes. They ice fish the lakes, so we had to always do a low flyby
and check for fish holes and warn the snowmobilier's we were about to land.
The snow on the ice was light fluffy snow from zero to two inches. If
it was heavy snow we would have had to have skies. The temperature at
night would go below zero degrees F. On our flight home the OAT was
-11F at 4000 ft. My 912S had no problems with the cold temperatures.
I will send you some pictures to your e-mail address of the Kitfox and
Champ on the ice with wheels.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello listers,
>I went flying today and here are some photos.
>
>http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
>
>Nothing special, just some photos of winter Norway.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL coming out of storage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Eric,
Dipstick is SB-912-040 dated 8/2003
Can't find the floats but Lockwood said I needed 'em.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
>
> Brett,
> I am familiar with the Service Letters on Stator and Rocker Arms but have
> not heard about Carb Floats or Dipstick. What are those about?
> Eric
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>
>> Clem,
>> I am in the same situation. My engine is 10 years old and had never left
>> the
>> box until two weeks ago. I called Lockwood and asked Kerry the same
>> questions. Regarding the internal stuff he said look in the spark plug
>> holes. see how it looks. If you remove the gear reduction you can see
>> into
>> the crank case. I did this because I was putting in the vacuum pump drive
>> gear. One thing I did was put oil in the crankcase (1/2 to 3/4 quart) and
>> roll the engine around. I mean physically roll it over. My main concern
>> was
>> the lifter faces. Then I took out the spark plugs and sprayed LPS 3 in
>> the
>> cylinders and hooked up a battery and cranked it. I got the oil in by
>> hooking clear plastic tube to the oil inlet and pouring oil into the tube
>> until I had enough in the engine by hand cranking. Then I hooked the tube
>> to
>> the return. People will tell you it won't pump with the spark plugs out,
>> but
>> it will if the pump is primed.
>> After doing all of this I feel reasonably confident it will be just fine.
>> There are however some Service Bulletins and Letters you may need to look
>> into.
>> 1. Stator (not bad $100+) (special puller)
>> 2. Rocker arms (expensive, $800+) (special tools)
>> 3. Carb floats
>> 4. Dipstick
>> There may be more. I have the special tools if you need to borrow them
>> Brett
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:54 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL coming out of storage
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner"
>>> <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had a 912UL sitting in my garage for 9 years in basically the
>>> condition it came to me from the factory. My garage is air conditioned
>>> as part of the house and the humidity here in Oklahoma is usually less
>>> than 45 % dropping to 20-30 % during the winter months.
>>>
>>> I have begun work to finish the last 20% of my Kitfox IV construction
>>> and need to know what I should do to the engine.
>>>
>>> Does it need to go to a Rotax service center for teardown, or is it
>>> likely to be OK to use as is?
>>>
>>> Also, do I need to replace all the hoses that were put on it back then
>>> (fuel, water, oil)?
>>>
>>> Anyone with experience like this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice,
>>>
>>> Clem
>>> Lawton, Oklahoma
>>> KF IV-1050, 912UL
>>> On this list daily since 1993
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Clem,
For Summer shade, I use one of the smaller spring loaded hoop-like
alumanized auto dashboard protectors. It fits very well overhead between
the tubing and the skylight.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> With the crazing on my present windscreen, I realize it's just a matter of
> time before I'll be forced to replace it. If I remember previous posts,
> the
> acrylic is more resistant to scratches, etc., than the polycarbonate, and
> obviously the acrylic can be ordered preformed whereas the polycarbonate
> (lexan?) comes in a flat sheet and requires a good deal of work to make it
> fit. Moreover, the polycarbonate is not tinted (can it be ordered that
> way?), whereas apparently the acrylic can be. In the summertime when I do
> most of my flying I sometimes find myself wishing I had a little shade
> over
> my head. If I remember correctly the polycarbonate can be damaged by
> glue-on sun screens, and I've had no luck with the screens that are held
> on
> by static electricity. Thanks in advance.
>
> Clem Nichols
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane
>> <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>>
>> Graem,
>>
>> I don't know that I can contribute much to the windscreen vs Vne issue.
>> Vne is
>> a design parameter which is defined by whatever becomes a problem first
>> when
>> adding speed. I don't know enough about the design limits of our
>> airplanes
>> to
>> even guess if a thicker windshield would get you out there further or
>> not.
>> I
>> don't think my engine will push me to Vne anyway on 100hp.
>>
>> The wind screen I paid for twice (once to Skystar & once to John Mc Bean
>> who
>> got the job done for me) is the 3/16" thick version. I would always
>> gravitate towards the thickest one available simply because thicker
>> provides
>> more resistance to object penetration - whatever that object may be which
>> chooses to get in front of my windshield - rocks on takeoff, golf balls,
>> June
>> bugs (which make a pretty good snap on the window at 100MPH) or English
>> weaver finch. I realize that with the operational speeds of a Kitfox -
>> birds
>> have at least half a chance of getting out of our way - but if they don't
>> it's not good. I have seen a Cessna 172 which ruined a Canada goose's day
>> on
>> the Cessna's short final and a Bellanca which took a mallard through the
>> windscreen at cruise speed and the mallard parts didn't stop till the
>> pink
>> mist coagulated in the end of the tail cone - you just can't get a thick
>> enough windscreen to keep those things out so the object penetration
>> thing
>> is
>> sort of relative rather than absolute. Obviously, resistance to object
>> penetration is a function of materials too (polycarbonate holds up much
>> better than acrylic - everything else being the same) - but that is my
>> main
>> reason to avoid a lighter windscreen.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dave S
>> St Paul, MN
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> On Sunday 12 March 2006 4:29 pm, Graeme Toft wrote:
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>>
>>> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
>>> and
>>> their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
John,
Cool story!! have experienced similar flying here in the UP of Michigan a
few years ago when the weather went cold with very little snow, we would
land the lakes and rivers on wheels, truly a unique experience.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "John King" <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Today's flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
> Michel,
>
> They are very beautiful scenes of winter in Norway. Two weeks ago a
> friend of mine in his Champ and I in my Kitfox flew from Virginia to the
> state of Maine. The trip was just over 600 nautical miles, cold
> turbulent, with headwinds most of the way . We were invited there by
> another pilot who just happens to be the owner of a large lodge on the
> largest lake (Mooselhead Lake) in northern Maine. The lakes up there
> are of course frozen two feet thick. Neither of our aircraft had skies
> only wheels and I had wheel pants. Although there was an airport 30
> miles away on the southern end of the lake, we were told to land on the
> lake ice in front of the lodge.
>
> I never knew you could land with wheels on ice successfully, but we had
> no problem. Of course we could not use brakes and had to shut the
> engine down after touchdown, otherwise it would not stop with the engine
> at idle. We spent a week flying the lakes of northern Maine and landing
> on the ice to visit friends and stopping to eat lunch at restaurants on
> the lakes. They ice fish the lakes, so we had to always do a low flyby
> and check for fish holes and warn the snowmobilier's we were about to
> land.
>
> The snow on the ice was light fluffy snow from zero to two inches. If
> it was heavy snow we would have had to have skies. The temperature at
> night would go below zero degrees F. On our flight home the OAT was
> -11F at 4000 ft. My 912S had no problems with the cold temperatures.
> I will send you some pictures to your e-mail address of the Kitfox and
> Champ on the ice with wheels.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>
>>Hello listers,
>>I went flying today and here are some photos.
>>
>>http://home.online.no/~michel/winter/
>>
>>Nothing special, just some photos of winter Norway.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Michel
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dave,
I don't think there will be a compatibilty issue as long as the new resin is
epoxy. From the smell of the various parts in the Lancair project as they
are cut and worked, they use both We just did the wing tips and they are
polyester over gell coat.. And the resin used in all cases is epoxy.
Epoxy has at least one major advantage in that it doesn't need two types -
the bonding type and the finish type with the surfacing wax. The cure of
Polyester resin is oxygen inhibited and you need an air barrier in the
finish resin - the wax. You will get a very hard sandable surface with
epoxy laminating resins.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Tips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
> Good evening folks,
>
> I have a question on the wingtips supplied by Skystar in 2004. Does anyone
> know what kind of resin they used in the fiberglass wingtips - polyester
> or
> epoxy? I am guessing polyester, but am curious to know for sure because I
> will be doing some modification and want to keep the chemical
> compatibility
> issues organized.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave S
> St Paul; MN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Consumption |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Searched the archives for a ballpark estimate of 582 oil consumption and
found only a couple posts.
My Carb and oil feed seem to be synced according to manual but over the
year noticed a bit darker plugs than would like to see and motor smoking
a bit.
Only 30 hours on the rebuild.
Exactly an hour of flight resulted in just a hair over one pint (16 oz)
According to my estimates that would be about 40:1.
Earlier posts said anywhere from 50:1 to 70:1
Any new suggestions?
Jared
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
The standard long wing model IV came with the .093. The speedster was .250,
a friend had a speedster and had trouble with bending it. I used it and had
no problem. Does increase the Vne to 140 as the .093 would flex in at
higher speeds. Clint with .250 now.
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Greame,
I think a little clarification here is in order.
With the Model IV the kits came with two thicknesses of the Lexan
(Polycarbonate) wind sheild (screen for you, i guess). This was a flat
sheet that was cut to shape and bent over the front area and actoss the wing
root area and then back to cover the skylight.
The two thicknesses were .060 and .093 inches. The .060 was used on the
standard long wing IV -VNE 125 and the short wing speedster - VNE 135.
Discussion in the past has suggested that the windshield thickness, was at
least in part, a VNE design issue - a tendency for the thinner material
diforming at high speeds. I have the .060, and have replaced it once about
200 hours ago. The first windshield was in use over 500 hours and the
reason for the replacement was the large scratch that appeared in the
building process - I just got tired of looking at it. I have flown at near
VNE - my airspeed indicatoronly goes to 120 and I try to limit my speed to
that - and I doubt anyone could convince me of the need for the .093. I do
see some wind effects on the Lexan at high speeds and some prop pulse
effects, but it doesn't bother me.
I think the thicker windshields mentioned in the inch fraction range are the
ones from LP Aeroplastics and they are not Lexan, but Acrylic. Acrylic does
have some advantages relating to ease of polishing out minor scratches, but
the stuff is very brittle and extremely unforgiving and must be handled very
carefully. For strength it has to be a quantum leap thicker or what will
merely deform the lexan for an immediate bounce back will break the acrylic.
I run (fly) with a group of "light" airplanes - mine is the heaviest and I
sometimes wonder why the bigger and heavier seems to often get the nod even
where there is no demonstrated benefit. I recall of one Lexan windshield
splitting from top to bottom for some reason. It was cleverly field
repaired and the flight went on. That one incident was not reason enough
for me to go thicker or heavier and definitely not more expensive.
Keep in mind that this is for a fairly quick Model IV and I have no opinions
on the subject regarding the heavier airplanes.
regards,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
> and their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE.
I
> will be replacing mine as a last task before getting airborne again. Why
> is the thickness an issue with VNE. I assume it is because of possible
> distortion and the potential for failure. Is this correct and what
> thickness should I order if I want to increase VNE. The current
windscreen
> is 3/16th and I believe it is from the factory.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for the replies guys. I remember the trouble I had replacing my Model
1 windscreen and even though it was acrylic (not even sure you can get lexan
down here) it was one hell of a job bending it to fit the near right angle
turn from screen to overhead clear view and back to the beginning of the
turtle deck. Also as many others have found, I ended up with lots of crazing
around the rivet holes because I didn't make them over size. Experience is a
great teacher. Has anyone tried some judicial use of a heat gun to make the
bends?. Could be an expensive mistake but I'm wondering if it would make the
material pliable enough to bend without experiencing the cracking so many
have, to their frustration experienced. Anyway I'll stick with the 3/16 as
advised.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wind screen
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
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> Graem,
>
> I don't know that I can contribute much to the windscreen vs Vne issue.
> Vne is
> a design parameter which is defined by whatever becomes a problem first
> when
> adding speed. I don't know enough about the design limits of our airplanes
> to
> even guess if a thicker windshield would get you out there further or not.
> I
> don't think my engine will push me to Vne anyway on 100hp.
>
> The wind screen I paid for twice (once to Skystar & once to John Mc Bean
> who
> got the job done for me) is the 3/16" thick version. I would always
> gravitate towards the thickest one available simply because thicker
> provides
> more resistance to object penetration - whatever that object may be which
> chooses to get in front of my windshield - rocks on takeoff, golf balls,
> June
> bugs (which make a pretty good snap on the window at 100MPH) or English
> weaver finch. I realize that with the operational speeds of a Kitfox -
> birds
> have at least half a chance of getting out of our way - but if they don't
> it's not good. I have seen a Cessna 172 which ruined a Canada goose's day
> on
> the Cessna's short final and a Bellanca which took a mallard through the
> windscreen at cruise speed and the mallard parts didn't stop till the pink
> mist coagulated in the end of the tail cone - you just can't get a thick
> enough windscreen to keep those things out so the object penetration thing
> is
> sort of relative rather than absolute. Obviously, resistance to object
> penetration is a function of materials too (polycarbonate holds up much
> better than acrylic - everything else being the same) - but that is my
> main
> reason to avoid a lighter windscreen.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave S
> St Paul, MN
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> Do Not Archive
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> On Sunday 12 March 2006 4:29 pm, Graeme Toft wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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>> Hi guys, Iv'e noticed this thread a couple of times now on wind screens
>> and
>> their thickness but didnt realise that this issue is related to VNE.
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| Subject: | Re: Got my Airworthiness Certificate! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Thankyou kindly Lowell, yep I'll let you all know, you'll probibly hear me
yell when I jump for joy. John
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Congratulations to Lynn and John. I'm sure the feelings are great about now
and will proably get a bit better with the report of the first flight.
Looking forward to that.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
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> Congrats Lynn, that's two of us as I have JUST received mine!! Great
> feeling
> after 7 years a fun, toil and every emotion one could name. First flight
> in
> a few days, just when I get my first day off and a nice day all in one.
> John
> A. Series 5 TD
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> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Got my Airworthiness Certificate!
> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:39:09 -0500
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
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> They tell me that I now have an airplane! I just got my AC, and now
> I'm a real airplane owner, not a project owner. It'll still be a
> project, but I'm that much closer to having something to fly...as soon
> as I get done with flight instruction, that is...and get the 40 hrs
> flown off, etc, etc....
> It's only been 18 and a half months, but it seems like an eternity
> since I drove to Texas and picked up this project, and now it's ready
> for test flying. One of these days I'll clean up the shop, but for now
> it's time to celebrate.
>
> Lynn
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